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Floww23:
The spirit person exist before human birth ?

The Spirit God gave IS A PERSON!

Since you don't know what person means, how will you understand what I just said now?

You see the reason why I said, you need to go and learn first before coming here?

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus is not the Father , Jesus said only the Father know the day and hour. Who are you to say Jesus lie ?

Point out where I said Jesus lied.
False accusation!

Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS!

The Father alone knows the day and hour, Holy spirit don become the Father now ?

But Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS

The truth you are afraid of is staring at you at Matthew 24:36

Just as the truth you're afraid of is staring at you in John 16:30, 21:17

In your bid to prove a lie , you arrive at Prehuman existence like Jesus Christ , Oshey. No wonder Dem call you Mormon

If you are correct , Jesus lied when he said he alone came from above. Na everybody come from above, them just transfer us inside our Mothers womb . Brain is paining you Emusan

Smile.....

See delusion, when you people can't even comprehend simple thing then you want to be taken serious.

The SPIRIT OF HUMAN IS A PERSON that has been my point.

My challenge has been, you proof how INANIMATE OBJECT can have ABILITY TO KNOW THOUGHT, which you people are running around like headless chicken with since.

Floww23:
Yes. If you disagree, tell your own definition of person. Don't forget the subject is that we all have a pre human existence as spirit person's like Jesus before we were born or Adam was created.

If that is the definition of a person to you then you're don't understand what you want to discuss with me.

Go and study more about that, after you fully understand it then you can join the discussion.

@color part, I never say anything about HUMAN preexistence.

Who and you, is discussing that?

Barristter07:
Sure according to the Bible, we Re all knowing and know all things. Since you want to be silly

The Greek word for all things was applied to us at 1John 2:20

Just see the way I'm laughing at your delusion here....

You people are too dull to fall into your own abasement of delusion.

Yet you and your deluded people were trying to CLAIMED THAT THE apostles WERE WRONG AND MADE MISTAKE for saying Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS.

That is why is said this matter has been done and dusted with.

But here again you're trying to proof that GREEK WORD AWAS ACTUALLY CORRECT in consideration of blablah.....

Very dubious and fraudulent people.

What if I had agreed that the Apostles actually wrong and made mistake?

That is how you fraudulent would have revert back, no wonder your organization can play you people like ludo with God's word.

Both , anyone goes because that's the meaning of Theos, and it was applied to us

So why do you and your deluded organization always claimed JESUS IS NOT GOD?

When you know this!

More gallow is being set up.

Floww23:
Its too early .

Person: Every individual that exist as a Child of God . So what next ?

No wonder!

Is that the meaning of PERSON?

Barristter07:
ALL things is correct

Knowledge is correct

Each translator will pick according to their understanding. Matthew 24:36 guide many to pick knowledge.

So you agree that human KNOWS ALL THINGS!

JESUS ALSO KNOWS ALL THINGS

Remember, before you put gallow in your neck like you did on the issue of SHARED/PARKTAKE, ALL THINGS encompasses ALL KNOWING.

But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

The doesn't know the day and hour though. That is Apt and verified. Only the Father does know

But Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS which means ALL KNOWING....

We are God's too. That has never being an issue

God or a god?

Which one are we?

Floww23:
Exactly how Mormons behave.

I've answered you every individual that exist as a child of God is a Person. So?

Whatever issue you have with Mormon go and settle it.

It's you and I on Nairaland.

I asked you question FIRST.

So, answer my question before you proceed to ask your own question.

How is that hard for you to comprehend?

Floww23:
Every personality that exist as Children of God is a Person. So the pre human personality is what?

You didn't answer my question but you jump to ask question.

Is that how you behave?

Barristter07:
In light of Matthew 24;36 , it's not.

That's the same light you need to apply to everyone that doesn't know

Smile....

Dubious and fraudulent attitude.

NWT is in hot sit here. Believers don't KNOW ALL THINGS according to NWT.

Do you agree?

KJV is wrong because they didn't consider Matthew 24:36? Okay. The Greek word still meant " all things"

The Son doesn't know the day and hour, we are not here to make him a liar when he said only the Father knows.

You said KJV is wrong! But NWT silent

Well, the Son KNOWS ALL THINGS ACCORDING TO God's word.

This issue had been done with already.

So stop going back.

Greek Theos can mean God/a god. KJV translators choose the one that fit their understanding, they are not wrong.

Good!

So that mean Jesus is GOD!

I LIKE THAT!

Floww23:
Guy , you Mormon? I have a distant cousin from LDS that say this shit too.
“Before you were born on the earth, you lived in the presence of your Heavenly Father as one of his spirit children.”
From the LDS ( Mormon) Book
True to the Faith, p. 115

No! I'm not Mormon!

I know JW guys have their errors but on this one , you goofed. It means we are all exactly like Jesus with a pre human existence. He isn't the only one from up as he claimed

No! Your issue is to know what DOES IT MEAN TO BE A PERSON FIRST.

can you tell us what it means to be A PERSON?

Barristter07:
NWT translators use their understanding of the verse. The Greek word for all things actually appeared there. We know all things.
Is KJV wrong?

Which means THEIR UNDERSTANDING is wrong, do you agree?

KJV IS WRONG! And that is why we have other translation to compare with KJV.

You see how I answered your question without deviating, so don't play cunning cunning to boycott my question(s)

KJV - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God" john 1:1

Is KJV wrong?

gohf:
Washed by the blood, cleansed by truth Halleluyah, if you have ears listen carefully

Revelation 22 began with revealing the Lord God before we hear the voice of angel whom John wanted to worship but then shortly after God himself speaks, if you knew God you would recognise when he speaks

Rev.22.12 - "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.
Rev.22.13 - I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last."


But neither do you know Him not have understanding from Him. For John wrote

Rev.20.11 - Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
Rev.20.12 - And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.


Then you quoted Rev 1:8, come be taught wisdom and gain understanding if you humble yourself to learn

Rev.1.5 - and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
Rev.1.6 - and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.


God gave Jesus a revelation, Jesus gave it to his angel to give it to John.

Rev.1.8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, says the Lord God, He Who is and Who was and Who is to come, the Almighty (the Ruler of all). (AMP)

So, in a nutshell Jesus didn't make any statement in Revelation....

Kai see how people lie with bold face.

Jesus is the one WHO promised TO COME BACK and Judge, no where the Father made such statement in the New Testament.

Jesus is the one who died.

Verse 7 says "Look! He comes with the clouds of heaven. And everyone will see him, even those who pierced him. And all the nations of the world will mourn for him. Yes! Amen!"

Was it the Father who died and claim to come in the cloud of heaven?

In fact, Rev 22:20 says "20 He who is the faithful witness to all these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon!” Amen! Come, Lord Jesus!"

Which it was Jesus Himself who made those statement.

Finally, when John saw Jesus, John recorded Jesus saying "17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as if I were dead. But he laid his right hand on me and said, “Don’t be afraid! I am the First and the Last."

What will a liar say?

A liar will always try to remove Jesus from every picture and failed to acknowledge Him.

Barristter07:
That 1John 2:20 actually expose you.

Its clear We also know all things, But regarding the day and hour nobody knows except the Father , not even Jesus. Matt 24:36 . Just one person knows, not two . this makes the holy spirit a force from the Father .

This is already done and dusted, stop going back in circle.

I've tutored you on that.

Just tell me first that NWT is wrong, then we will continue.

CAPTIVATOR:
But as far as the day and hour is concerned, scripturally , Only the Father knows.

Scripturally, Jesus knows ALL THINGS

This is the main point . Jesus don't know

The main point is, Jesus apostles in whom Jesus made that statement in their presence later CONFESS that Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS not just a mere statement but also in the PRESENCE of Jesus who made the earlier statement and Jesus ENDORSED THEIR BELIEVE.

Do you know why you and your deluded people have been trying to claim the APOSTLES MADE MISTAKES and WRONG?

That was because your saw the truth steering you face to face and you don't have any other option than to deny it.

holy spirit doesn't know, Whatever make the holy spirit know means Two persons are knowing which is a Lie. Except of course holy spirit is not a person.

God's says Holy spirit knows THE MIND OF GOD AND THE THOUGHT OF GOD.

Till know you people have not proved to me how inanimate object can have the ABILITY TO KNOW ONE'S THOUGHT.

No wonder you people have shouting PERSONIFICATION since because you're so afraid of the truth.

Good! You can only Return to where you came from. And God is in heaven.

God gave the spirit and Returned to God who gave.

If it's a spirit person, Emusan do you admit this means we existed as persons in heaven before birth?

God gave every human on earth SPIRIT, so every SPIRIT existed WITH GOD BEFORE HUMAN WERE BORN.

The fact is human spirit is a person because HE HAS ABILITY TO KNOW ONE'S THOUGHT.

Proof me wrong on this first.

This challenge is going more than 2 pages now.

Barristter07:
Jesus know all things the same way we also know all things as spoken at 1John 2:20,

"But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. " KJV

limited.

He ran back to the same 1 John 2:20 I've already bursted his lie at beginning. This shows how empty you are.

But regarding the day and hour, Nobody except the Father knows.

Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS not me

The Holy spirit knows the mind of God and the THOUGHT OF GOD.

Sand2022:
A wife subjecting to a wife doesn't change her nature from human to animal.

This point here is what they don't understand.

The word NATURE is a big issue for them to comprehend that is why one even says God and Angels have the same NATURE.

Can you imagine that?

CAPTIVATOR:
If you believe that statement , Case closed. Nobody else know the day and hour.

Of course, you're the one arguing.

My point based on scriptural evidences are:

1. JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS

2. The Holy spirit knows the mind of God and the THOUGHT of God.

Defend your gullibility to the end : The Spirit person of each individual existed before the human birth?

God gave the SPIRIT and the Spirit RETURNED to God after death.

How is this a rocket science to you?

Defend your gullibility above and we would see if there is personification or not.

Smile.....

The PERSONIFICATION delusion in your head is still ringing the bell loud

Well you already said you have removed it, why going back to your vomit?

So, how can an INANIMATE OBJECT can know THOUGHT?

AntiChristian:
Multiple can coexist but they won't keep their roles! Of course there can't be any concrete example of a working trinitarian process as any unfounded model ever invented!

No human analogy can TRULY REPRESENT Trinity in its actual sense the sun analogy just is a clue about how MULTIPLE CAN coexist.

You grab the point @color but still keep confusing yourself.

So the analogy fails. If they are persons where one can die but the other two can't die. One can become human while the other two can't. Sin against one may not be forgiven while the sins against the other two can be forgiven. How can they still be one?

The one who died ADDED a nature that can die.

Na wa oooo

Did Trinitarian say He died BEING GOD?

In trinity the Father is God, Son is God and Spirit is God! This is not true in the Sun! The totality is the Sun! But the heat can be reproduced and it won't be called Sun! The Gasses too! And the Gasses ≠ the Heat ≠ Sun!

Yes, the Sun is too bright or hot may be correct as heat and brightness are direct result of the processes in the Sun's core!

Funny how he wants to be sound as a scientist.

You want to reproduce a HEAT OF OVER MILLION DEGREE CELSIUS.

IN WHICH LAB?

Well @underlined shows know the truth, so keep fighting with the truth.

Where does the ratio comes from, i mean how are they three Gods equal from the Bible?
How does 1:1:1 = 1 makes "Trinity"?

Mathematical models 1:1:1 shows three are equal.

That is the idea NOT THE TRUE NATURE of the Trinity.

Open your mind of understanding!

Jozzy4:
I dey tell you say you don't have sense
We are from Above , Yes ?

I defeated soul

He claimed inanimate object KNOWS the thought of his god

gohf:
you showed who?

Okay tell us where did Jesus say so?

So you don't know your Bible enough, I guess that part of the scripture has never been shown to you yet lying against God and His Holy spirit.

Well you can find that in Rev, 1:8, 22:13

You are the truthful one abi. By the way it is John who wrote Revelation and I did not say what you misquoted 😁. Don't be a liar and a false accuser.

Where did Jesus say he is the beginning and the end, and call himself the Almighty God

Read your Bible without whatever you have been brainwashed with. You will see it.

CAPTIVATOR:
Chill, the statement said " only"
Let me repeat it again

" ONLY "

According to the dictionary, Only when used in a sentence means THERE ARE NO OTHERS in that class.

So Jesus said ONLY the Father knows, ( which automatically means Jesus don't know and holy spirit don't know );

Do you Emusan believe this statement that Only the Father knows ? Yes or No!

When you jumped into this thread, one will think you have something meaningful to contribute but only to keep repeating the nonsense your people have been repeating.

Yes! I believe that STATEMENT just as the Disciples of Jesus did.

Yet in the presence of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior they acknowledged HIS DIVINE ATTRIBUTE OF ALL KNOWING and Our Lord and Savior commended US for our BELIEVE.

because He knows He has been speaking in PARABLE but that day He told us PLAINLY and we understood that He actually KNOWS ALL THINGS

Reason why you deluded people have been trying to call the disciples LIAR.

Psalm 115:3 OUR GOD IS IN HEAVEN

The spirit return to God

God dwell in heaven.

Spirit return to where it came from.


Implication: The spirit person lives in heaven before he was given .


The question arises: So this person's exist in heaven before their birth? Adam existed in heaven before he was created ?

The spirit PERSON is from God and was GIVEN BY GOD.

The fact you can't deny is that NO INANIMATE OBJECT HAS THE ABILITY TO KNOW THOUGHT.

Since you already removed the delusion of PERSONIFICATION from your head, then take scripture for its word.

The scripture says Human spirit HAS THE ABILITY TO KNOW THOUGHT which means the spirit is a PERSON.

If you disagree without your delusion of PERSONIFICATION, first proof how INANIMATE OBJECT CAN KNOW THOUGHT.

QED

Jozzy4:
This is the highest of delusion.

So where is God's throne ? Heaven.

Mumu man


The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth.

Finally humans come from ABOVE, we don't belong to the earth, since they are also spirit person's before they were born. Is your reasoning this low ?

You people are just too dull!

The BODY is what belongs to the EARTH which is the PHYSICAL PART AND MARKS our identity in physical world.

The SPIRIT is the spiritual aspect of human that can allow us to RELATE WITH SPIRITUAL WORLD.

The SPIRIT IS A PERSON that is why the Spirit has ABILITY to KNOW THOUGHT no inanimate object can NO THOUGHT.

Knowing this fact is the reason why you people want to hide under PERSONIFICATION, which will never fly.

I don't know why you people will be claiming to be an adult whereas you people are just pure kids in reasoning.

MightySparrow:
Janosky!!!!!!!!??

Are you really saying that God spoke only once and that word was Jesus and the word was the creator of other things? Then God shut up His mouth ever since? Or the Word here is some form other than a vocal expression of a wish?

Please explain more.


Your response is interesting and pregnant and pregnant with many questions.

That is how he will be pulling screenshot he doesn't understand up and down.

You have grabbed him in the jaw

Kingsempires:

That is to show you that they know the truth but decided to follow falsehood

He is the one who said "The Father is God Almighty because He is the beginning and the ending"

Now that I show him that Jesus also called Himself the Beginning and the Ending, he change gear completely.

AntiChristian:
The Gasses can't act on their own and be called Sun! The heat can't be alone and be called Sun! But altogether and with the right conditions of temperature and pressure they can make up the Sun! Is this how you describe trinity? Jesus is only God when he is together with the father and Spirit. Even the father is incomplete on his own!

This is the point I'm making which you failed to UNDERSTAND.

No PERFECT example can be put forth by MAN to explain Trinity the moment there's PERFECT EXAMPLE means those things set as example are ACTUALLY GOD TOO.

The idea is to let you know how MULTIPLE THINGS CAN CO-EXIST which you can't deny.

None of the parts of the sun can stand on its own to be called Sun!

Bit you get the point Trinitarians are putting forth.

If those things A PERSON they can stand on THEIR OWN.

The basics is what i have explained above. How does trinity fit into such illustration?

The basics is the idea which you have pointed out.

Trinity fits into it because THEY BOTH coexist and individual can be called the same NAME.

You're not wrong if you feel the heat and say THE SUN IS HOT today or you set your eyes on the bright light and say the SUN is TOO bright today.

You decided to ratio three persons instead of taking each of them as a person! By saying it is 1:1:1, means only one can act at a time.
This is a limitation!

The absolute unity of God does not present any limitations!

No! Ratio means EQUAL PART NOT limitation.

If that should be PERSONS it means COEXIST, EQUAL AND self-conscious.

The idea is how to picture Trinity not TRINITY in its TRUE FORM.

This is just simple thing to grab!

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus said only the Father know the day and hour , do you believe this?

I've already discussed this multiple times you just want to be dragging me back.

Okay I remove the personification,

Good let the scripture speaks for itself.

So, you can see that without PERSONIFICATION delusion, the scripture is talking about PERSON.

No INANIMATE OBJECT has the ability to know THOUGHT only a person does.

you are agreeing people are in heaven before they are born ? Ecc 12:7, Cos spirit of man can't return to to a place it hasn't been before.

God gave human SPIRIT and that is why the scripture is very correct that the same SPIRIT RETURNED TO WHO GAVE IT.

You decide where God is.

gohf:
1Tim.1.6 But some teachers have missed this whole point. They have turned away from these things and spend their time arguing and talking foolishness.

Col.2.2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; (Col.2.3) In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

...the mystery of God, BOTH of the Father and of Christ...

[Col.2.4 I say this in order that no one may mislead and delude you by plausible and persuasive and attractive arguments and beguiling speech.

So Jesus is no MORE THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING or what are you trying to insinuate here?

Barristter07:
Relax the Lies, I know it's an hobby, but relax.

' ONLY The Father knows 'Matt 24:36

One person.

Thank you.

I'm not the one who called the Apostles and the scripture liar. You did.

I'm jot the one who called something obvious PERSONIFICATION for dubious reason. You did.

According to the scripture Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS

The Holy spirit KNOWS THE MIND OF GOD AND THE VERY THOUGHT OF GOD

Reason you called the Apostles liar and inserted PERSONIFICATION multiple times.

Like I said, remove the lens of that your delusion of PERSONIFICATION and we the TRUTH God revealed in His word.

It doesn't know the day and hour , how could it be a person? That means two persons know the day and hour and Jesus said it's only one person ?

But He KNOWS ALL THINGS

Like I've said several times, the disciples in whom Jesus made that statement are the very one who acknowledged that Jesus actually knows ALL THINGS.

To even add more to your injury.

In that John 16, Jesus was telling His that "He always use PARABLE to discuss with them but a time is coming when He will PLAINLY talk about the Father"(paraphrase) it was at this point the disciples then BELIEVED that Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS.

Let me stop here first

Janosky:
I will itemize the points
*1 There are only two natures that exists.
Spirit (divine nature) & human nature.
In heaven Jesus had divine nature.
On earth, human nature, Romans 8:3.

Now, he has come with his own delusion.

I can't continue to spoonfeed you people like pupils.

There are over MILLION OR BILLION OF NATURES

It's NATURE that distinguished everything in the universe.

To claimed Jesus has GOD'S NATURE actually means Jesus if God Almighty. That was the reason your oponu second like you says PATAKER I'd to become the VERY THING YOU PARTAKE.

2. Jesus prayed about partakers of divine nature to receive the same glory that God gave Jesus ;
"Father I want those you have given me to be where I am, in order that they may look upon my glory you have given me..."
"I have given them the glory that you have given me"
John chapter 17:23-24.[/b]

*3

The same glory for partakers of divine nature.
the same glory for Jesus Christ
The same glory for God their Father of all.

John 17:23-24 no dey Sand2022 Bible.

*4
The guy so desperate to confuse himself & his sheeples that the glory shared by the God Almighty & his son proves their equality.

But unfortunately for Sand2022 & Emusan, Jesus Christ exposed their delusion.

John 17:7 , Jesus say nah God their Father get the Glory given to Jesus & partakers of divine nature. John 17:23-24.

[b]Partakers of divine nature meaning "to be with me (Jesus) where I am", dwelling together in heaven
Trinity wotowoto. In the mud.[/b]

The @color shows how you people so deluded.

Now, you have given PARTAKER another meaning because you realized the first nonsense was off as he puts ALL BELIEVERS AS THE SAME ALMIGHTY GOD

One thing a good observe will pick from this is how you people have been dancing around on this discussion like headless chicken because you're trying to propagate your lies but unfortunately it gets bursted.

Janosky:
Is Jesus Christ ancient of days in your own Bible?

"Ancient of Days title of Yahweh? Yes.


Ancient days is a title of whom in your Bible?

What a dunce !

See this mumu....

But you fist lied that ETERNITY was fraudulently inserted by Trinitarians.

Well the point is, Jesus was FROM ETERNITY which means He has no BEGINNING.

That is why the term ANCIENT OF DAY can be applied to God.

Olodoo