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AntiChristian:
Of course you should understand the context of what i wrote before you conclude! Jesus preached the Injeel! Some people penned it down! Jesus never wrote anything down! So the Bible is never Injeel nor Torah not Zabur!

Good!

So we have ORIGINAL OF WHAT JESUS SAID today penned down by SOME PEOPLE.

Reason why you know when Paul was talking and not Jesus Christ.

By the way, what is THE GOOD NEWS that Allah gave Jesus is all about and why is the ONLY JESUS that came WITH GOOD NEWS?

Did Jesus see his father dying for him to die since he does what he sees him doing?

That is not answer to my question.

Answer my question first before you asked yours.

Allah spoke the truth! God is All-Powerful and needs no son to help in anything! God needs no heir as He is far above dying!

But according to Jesus He has Father and not only that Yahweh has always called Himself Father long before Jesus came

Definitely both Allah and Jesus one must be lying.

Who is lying here?

CAPTIVATOR:
Useless point . The son doesn't know the day and hour.

BUT THE SON KNOWS ALL THINGS.

You can remove that scripture from your already perverted version.

As the truth is so heavy fro you to swallow.

I already answered you, you are just dumb

Where is the answer oniro oshi?

Can the Father hide anything from the Son?

I told you, your exposed your own lying mouth that statement and it's the same statement that buried your lying mouth finally.

Matt 24:36 - Son admit the Father didn't tell him the date. That's what he hide from him

So the Father can hide something from the Son.

Yes or No?

CAPTIVATOR:
Just admit you are stupid. Matthew 10:28 describe a fully functional physical body, is that what return to heaven?

Very oponu somebody, Matt was about God having power over man death.

Let that sink into your empty skull

Nothing enters the womb, nothing return to God as well. For anything to return to God means God transferred something in the first place to activate life in the womb . Sit down in one place

And this oponu was using Job to brag on how Baby in the womb has GOD'S BREATH.

HE even tried to create impression as if GOD SITS BESISED EVERY pregnant women to put life into their embryo.

Can you see how shameless you are?

Either admit your dumb Spirit person from heaven was transferred to the womb, or admit your dumb nothing enters the womb analogy

What is causing you severe pain is,

God gave every human a Spirit.

The Spirit of man is a Person

The Spirit returned to God who gave human.

Do you need more cry?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus didn't teach his disciples to go disturbing their neighbors with noise {Matthew 12:19}

Where did Jesus teach his disciples to be disturbing people in the pretense of giving people pamphlet on the road?

rather they are to knock on each door for each person to choose whether they will listen to them or not. Matthew 10:11-13

That is not a command from Jesus to ALL HIS DISCIPLES but for ONLY that specific people at that specific time.

After, no where it was reported that the DISCIPLES preach by knocking on people's door not even after Jesus ascension.

This was the begin of Matt 10

"Jesus called his twelve disciples together and gave them authority to cast out evil spirits and to heal every kind of disease and illness."

Verse 5 also read "5 Jesus sent out the twelve apostles with these instructions: “Don’t go to the Gentiles or the Samaritans,"

It's evident that Jesus was talking to the TWELVE APOSTLES not EVEN HIS OTHERS FOLLOWERS.

If not, you that cherry picked verse 11-13 didn't perform ANY MIRACLE NOR HEAL ANY SICK OR ILLINESS AS STATED in verse 1, to even make it worst, you preach to anyone while Jesus INSTRUCTED HIS DISCIPLES NOT TO GO THE GENTILES OR SAMARITANS.

So those making noise in your streets are not Christians but misinformed churchgoers trying to do what they knew nothing about!

Of course, anything to talk down on True followers of Jesus Christ by you is always giving you joy.

Jesus never given instructions on how the gospel should be preached rather the command is "GO YE INTO THE WORLD AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS"

The mode of making DISCIPLES of all nations by Christians have been through different methods from country to country and tribe to tribe.

As JWs always knock door in Nigeria and other country that they were not restricted or have boldness to go out, they don't go from house to house in country like Saudi Arabia, China, Iran, Iraq e.t.c.

Or does that mean Matt 10:11-13 was not in the NWT they carry in those countries?

Aemmyjah:
I used a figure of speech
Go and understand what figure of speech means

Is God also a star, a sun, rock, light as he also describes himself

So, which means God is indescribable, is that right?

Aemmyjah:
Lol
Born again Christians are like wind?
What about saying his followers are light of the world?

Both statement are correct.

The point is, Jesus used WIND as the best physical thing the SPIRIT CAN BE COMPARE WITH on physical universe.

In fact, that was the reason why Bible writers used the objects with no definite shape or form for Spirit because there no PHYSICAL THING THAT CAN BE PERFECTLY USED TO DESCRIBED SPIRIT.

So, nothing like PHYSICALITY about spirit.

Aemmyjah:
I used a figure of speech
Simple understanding would have eased your continue nonsense argument

So in essence, you mean God has HANDS, HEAD, LEGS e.t.c like we human or some animals?

MaxInDHouse:
So Paul has gathered enough information that spurs his understanding of the personality of the Messiah before writing his letter but the truth is he was misunderstood!

The person you quoted understood those words written in plain English, reason why he tried to distance Jesus from those words.

But you can only disagree if you have problem with simple English language.

While Jesus in his prehuman existence served as God's fellow worker during creation

Let it be on record that you agreed that God has A FELLOW WORKER during CREATION PERIOD who you know to be JESUS CHRIST!

You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free"

Who is a fellow?

The definition is right below.

I know you'll try to switch mouth but it's too late or you can only reinforce my point that you people lack basic understanding of English language.

MaxInDHouse:
This OP is wasting your time and you're giving him undue attention, if he wants to take his stand with trinitarians no one is holding him back so staging you with trinitarians for some useless arguments is unwarranted!

Always giving advice but never take his own advice.

Why did you sneak into this thread again after you already say goodbye?

AntiChristian:
Paul said all those not Jesus!

And Paul never met Jesus!

We don't even know who he's referring to!

Jesus himself said by himself he can do nothing!

God no fit do anything by himself!

This is very interesting!

So, you agreed that Jesus whom Allah gave the Injil(meaning Good News) actually have his words penned down.

Well, complete that statement Jesus said, 'himself can't do nothing but ONLY WHAT HE SEES THE FATHER DOING'

This shows that God is a FATHER and Allah lied through his Quran that God isn't a Father.

Sand2022:
We will look at col 1:17
Colossians 1:17 He existed before everything else began, and he holds all creation together.

A creature cannot possibly do that. Heb 1:3 tells us more.

Hebrews 1:3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high

Evidences abound in the scripture that Jesus is God Almighty.

Aemmyjah:
Is God formless or indistinct . For example, energy and wind.

The issue you are having is thinking there is ANYTHING in this physical world that can be used to DESCRIBED who God is.

You're the one who came up with that Amorphous thing which means "without a definite SHAPE or FORM" but now still asking if God is FORMLESS OR INDISTINCT.

So what is your point exactly?

God is a spirit and a person (being)
Angels are spirits and persons (being)
Jesus is a spirit (being)
God's spirit (holy Spirit) which emanates from God is not a person (being)

Smile......

Holy Spirit who among all of them have the word SPIRIT to His name is not a PERSON just because you're brainwashed with that.

Not when the scripture gave every description of Holy Spirit exactly as how A PERSON SHOULD BE OR IDENTIFIED.

So what makes Angels PERSON that Holy Spirit didn't possess?

Don't dodge my question oooo

Update147:
Hello Nairalanders,
I was just reading through the book of Luke and I came across a passage that discussed how the holy Spirit came upon Elizabeth and also how the holy Spirit came upon Mary.

I had always believed that the holy Spirit did not come upon anyone until Jesus Ascension, so what exactly is the book of Luke talking about when he said the holy Spirit came upon Elizabeth and also upon Mary.

Please I need a detailed explanation to help my understanding.

Your assertion @bold part is wrong and not scriptural.

The Holy Spirit has been at work since THE CREATION.

What happened is that selected people were empower by Holy spirit for specific assignment.

After ascension of Jesus and for the continuity of Christ global message, the Holy spirit as promised by Yahweh in Joel is now available for those who are of Christ.

Aemmyjah:
Is spirit a person?

Capital YES!

Another drama about person is about to start

Is God formless?

About FORMLESSS I take it to mean SHAPE in this context and the answer is YES as well!

Aemmyjah:
Well, I believe God is a spirit and not related to matter or physical substance

Good which means using the word PHYSICALITY is wrong.

Very simple...just admit and move on.

The word physicality is used to refer to his person or wholesomeness

Nothing like PHYSICAL with spirit being, that is why TAKING FORM OF PHYSICAL BEING ALWAYS USE whenever they revealed themselves to human

Is he formless like a wind?

No one can say specifically.

Even though Jesus Christ liken those born of spirit with WIND!

That is a testament

Aemmyjah:
Whichever way
You understand what I meant

You still want to be pride in your error.

Is their anything PHYSICALITY about spirit being in the first place?

Now, if you mean FORM, I take it to mean God can't be described by human in anyway. Is that correct?

By the way
Do you now agree with the issue of Tithe or you're still left in the dark?

Which Title are you talking about or where did you and I ever discussed about Title that you WANT ME TO AGREE WITH ISSUE OF TITHE I didn't know anything about?

CAPTIVATOR:
That Only the Father is why Jesus doesn't know. If Jesus know, it means it's not only the Father that knows

The day and hour | Matt 24:36

The point still remains JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS.

Evidence from the scripture

" which Jesus might decided not TO KNOW some certain things as well. " - Emusan

Do you agree Jesus doesn't know as you admitted above ?

The more you dodge this question the more it shows you are afraid of your own lies

I've been asking you this question long time before now.

Is there anything the Father can hide from the Son?

CAPTIVATOR:
I don laugh tire

That dead person wey return to heaven get physical body ??

Beating around the bush....

You already said nothing enters the woman's womb from heaven during pregnancy, that means nothing return to heaven as well. Clap for yourself

Answer my question first oponu.

CAPTIVATOR:
Only the Father already proved Jesus doesn't know. The Son doesn't know.

And you said here

" which Jesus might decided not TO KNOW some certain things as well. " - Emusan

Do you agree Jesus doesn't know as admitted above ?

This is written in a plain English.

You can give a pupil around you for more explanation is you find it hard to comprehend.

"ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS" was stated clearly in the scripture.

Only a lying liar will deny the scripture and called Bible a contradictory Book just because it goes against his wacky understanding but pretending to be following the same book.

You're still dodging this question but trust me you won't get away with it.

Is there anything the Father can hide from the Son?

CAPTIVATOR:
You are still joking.

First, Do dead people go to heaven with Physical body as mentioned in Matthew 10:28?

The joke is on your empty skull.

Matt 10:28 is about God having the final say over dead person.

Not all dead BODY BURIED below 6feet

" RETURN "

In English you only return to where you have been before, if nothing enter a pregnant woman from heaven, that means nothing return to God. You can only Return to where you have previously been. If spirit return to heaven , it means it come from there.

Use your sense.... If it's a person, it means a person came from heaven into the womb.

Answer my question oponu.


Where did God TRANSFER SOMETHING FROM HEAVEN TO WOMAN'S STOMACH DURING PREGNANCY?

CAPTIVATOR:
You are not escaping this , just wait ...

" which Jesus might decided not TO KNOW some certain things as well. " - Emusan

Do you agree Jesus doesn't know first?

"ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS" was stated clearly in the scripture only a lying liar will deny the scrioture and called Bible a contradictory Book just because it goes against his wacky understanding but pretending to be following the same book.

You're still dodging this question but trust me you won't get away with it.

Is there anything the Father can hide from the Son?

CAPTIVATOR:
Your head isn't correct, so how does Matthew 10:28 that's about a Man with a physical body the same as some mythical Spirit returning to heaven for judgement?

Oponu oshi....

Matt 10:28 is how God has the FINAL SAY on the dead person.

Get that into your dull skull

of course , and That means nothing return to any God in heaven after death?

The spirit of man returned to God and the spirit of man is a person.

Both scriptural supported so far.

Ani seh you don't have sense. You frauds will be exposed. I'm glad you are at least seeing the bullshit you peddled

Sense must be knocked into that your empty skull.

Where did God TRANSFER SOMETHING FROM HEAVEN TO WOMAN'S STOMACH DURING PREGNANCY?

Oponu

CAPTIVATOR:
Finally, the Liar has been exposed.

Thank God you know you're the liar here.

So you now agreed Jesus doesn't know the day and hour?

The scripture says JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS.

You agreed that TO KNOW means the info is already at the Father's REACH.

Is there anything the Father can hide from the Son?

You keep dodging that question.

Let's talk about whether he choose or not later , thankfully you use " might" , don't worry ,you will cry soon on that

When he knows his lying mouth has been exposed.

So, GOD CAN DECIDED NOT TO KNOW SOMETHING like in the case of Abraham but He God still KNOWS ALL THINGS

Aemmyjah:
No one knows the physicality of Jehovah

Just as we can't say that angels have wings which is not true

Spirit being with PHYSICALITY again haba...

or you mean the actual FORM of Jehovah.

Aemmyjah:
Anthropomorphism is a literary device that attributes human characteristics, emotions, or actions to non-human entities, including God and angels



1. "God's hand guided me." (attributing human action to God)
2. "God's voice whispered in my ear." (attributing human speech to God)
3. "God's eyes watch over us." (attributing human vision to God)
4. "God's heart is grieved." (attributing human emotions to God)
5. "God smiled upon us." (attributing human expression to God)
6. "God stretched out His arm." (attributing human movement to God)
7. "God listens to our prayers." (attributing human hearing to God)
8. "God's wrath was kindled." (attributing human emotions to God)


These examples illustrate how anthropomorphism helps to:


1. Describe God's actions in relatable terms
2. Convey God's emotions and intentions
3. Create a sense of personal connection with God
4. Make spiritual concepts more accessible


*Biblical examples:*

1. Psalm 23:4 - "Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me."
2. Isaiah 65:24 - "Before they call, I will answer."
3. Exodus 33:11 - "The Lord spoke to Moses face to face."


*Important note:* Anthropomorphism is a figurative language tool, not meant to be taken literally. It helps to describe God's nature and actions in human terms, while acknowledging God's transcendence and divine essence.


Learn something new today 😁

This shows that God doesn't have body as we human do.

Janosky:
Emusan LYING miscreant, repent nau.

"ETERNITY" is the wrong term you are desperate to import & fix into Micah 5:2 to distort the Hebrew text.
Read the screenshot evidence against you, LYING miscreants.

When a shameless lying liar speaks, it's easy to know.

The day, you people will have the mind of remorse for every lie you told is the day your deliverance from the spirit of lie of your father the Devil will begin.

The Hebrew word used in that verse is Olam

Then check it's meaning from your beloved Biblehub (of which I know you have checked it but realized your lying mouth will be exposed) that is why you couldn't have the courage to post the screenshot here since.

But I've helped you provide it.

Now let's see your next lie.

Maybe Ellicotts or Matthew Poole will save you

Janosky:
Jehovah God his Father has no beginning. Psalm 90:1-2.

Micah 5:2 is about Jesus Christ
"His origin ( start beginning) is from old, the days of yore (long time ago)

Sink that info from your Bible into your skull until you comprehend it.

Or
Enter WAILING mode

One thing about you is how shameless you can be with no remorse.

You first accused English translators for changing it to 'ANCIENT' but when you were provided with your own very NWT that used the same 'ANCIENT', you change mouth and begin to hide under Hebrew something something.

Well, you're not JaNosense for nothing.

achorladey:
His beginning part is from......?

Just answer first

Once you see them behaving in such way, just know that the truth has hit the right spot, they've swallowed the truth but as you know truth and lie can't coexist then the typing finger will begin to demonstrate the nature of fight going on btw the truth and lie in them.

achorladey:
People wey lack integrity will be preaching standards for others to follow. Their height of hypocrisy is setting standards they are not ready to follow thereby enter the realm of Pharisees

Remember I do say, they always learn one or two things from the so called Apostate.

Reason why, it is so difficult for them to abide by their own rules.

Evidence that Jesus hasn't returned as found from the scripture using the perverted Watchtower translation called NWT.

"For this is what we tell you by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in cloudsw to meet the Lordx in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord." - NWT

"for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again." - NWT

"However, brothers, concerning the PRESENCE of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him... Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it(THAT DAY) will not come unless the apostasy(singular) comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god." - NWT

Verse 15 says "that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord..."

Which means TRUE BELIEVERS will be on earth till Jesus comes PHYSICALLY IN THE AIR.

Understand that Watchtower teaches that NO TRUE BELIEVERS exist on earth since the death of the first century Christians until when Russell started his movement before Jesus bought it from him (a claim with no scriptural backing), fact from the scripture is that Jesus only BOUGHT THE HIS SAINTS WITH HIS OWN BLOOD.

ALSO,
The man of LAWLESSNESS is a SINGLE PERSON as stated above in the scripture in plain English

Jesus can't come in 1914 since ONLY GOD KNOWS THE DAY OF HIS RETURN and that will be witnessed by many.

MaxInDHouse:
Discussion is OVER!

This has been on auto reply

"for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again." - NWT

However, brothers, concerning the PRESENCE of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him... Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it(THAT DAY) will not come unless the apostasy(singular) comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god. - NWT

Who was this man of LAWLESSNESS that was so great that nobody knows anything about before Jesus presence happened in 1914?

Have these scripture already fulfilled?

MaxInDHouse:
Over!

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This has been on auto reply

"for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again." - NWT

However, brothers, concerning the PRESENCE of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him... Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it(THAT DAY) will not come unless the apostasy(singular) comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god. - NWT

Who was this man of LAWLESSNESS that was so great that nobody knows anything about before Jesus presence happened in 1914?

Have these scripture already fulfilled?