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achorladey:
Over the angels in heaven

Are you shocked?

That is the extent they can go in lies just to defend the indefensible.

achorladey:
The guy go run

These two questions caused the run:

1. I said, support your claim that Jesus is ruling OVER ANGELS in heaven with Bible verse.

2. Do you agree that watchtower has no CONNECTION with Jesus PRESENT RULING as King which started since 1914?

Stargirl2011:
@Emusan Jacob wrestled with God so if God wants, he can appear to us.

That encounter is in vision not PHYSICAL!

achorladey:
The wisdom used in production of ZOOM app used by your GODS of men during COVID 19 were from members of Jehovah's Witnesses

Not to even talk of the electronic gadget the gods in Warwick are using

achorladey:
What is governing without rulership? What are they Governing rodents or vector carrying organism?

Your lies and manipulations exposed again.

He even lied that Jesus is ruling over Angels in heaven NOW!

Maybe he will provide the verse today because since I asked him, he took another diversion.

Aemmyjah:
And you could not use your God given wisdom to help a God ordained politician...

So who is the God ordained politician?

achorladey:
And your brains cannot process that

And the funny thing is, how he can comfortably change God's given wisdom to God ordained politicians.

achorladey:
MaxInDHouse have repeatedly said their own government is not democratic or democracy. A totalitarian government ruled Top down by Jehovah himself therefore theocratic and yet numerous atrocities even scheming to end a marriage like their forefathers the Pharisees in Matthew 19

He knows the guy is in off key, that is why the guy wanted to make it seems as if he is just catching cruise with those posts.

bobestman:
That is not the truth bro but how you understood it.

It's written in a plain English sir.

Scripture was clear that no man can see God.

It's true that no man can see God but what if God decided to REVEAL HIMSELF TO MAN in a way man will grap Him?

So, scripture never says God can't REVEAL HIMSELF TO MAN.

So, what that scripture is saying is that NO MAN within his OWN POWER can see God.

You can see some parts like Moses but not his face let alone having tea with him lol.

God is still the one who revealed that part to Moses not that Moses within his own power made that to happen.

I'll go with the scripture that says God came down in FORM OF MAN and dine with Abraham.

In the OT many mistook angels as God and even bow to them.

Just as they even mistook Angel as man

But the truth is No Angel will take the worship of God. Which many did in OT whenever they encounter God in any form.

If the angels don't correct them, they will write it as God.

And God will not correct them but allow them to lie.

So it is God that became an angel and fought with Jacob?

Jacob encounter is like a vision NOT PHYSICAL FIGHT.

I don't know the weakest Angel God ever created but if there should be a weakest Angel no human can combat them physically and win. In fact how can you even fight a SPIRIT BEING physically?

You know they wrote it as God.

Understanding the content is the key.

The one they called Lord among those angels is the SON OF MAN or son of God Almighty

No! It's YHWH not Son of Man or Son of God according to the manuscript.

achorladey:
When they wantyto hide their failures and failings, they play the imperfect card game

That's the issue.

Or the next thing is to say it happens to Jesus or Abraham

bobestman:
The ppl who visited him were angels not God.

I go with the scripture. The scripture says YHWH is One of the Men!

Yea God can if He wishes.

And He did as recorded in that passage.

Angels are ministering spirits or messengers of God. God always send his angels to do the works not him.

No doubt about that.

About the gift of knowledge the angel showed by hearing what Sarah said,

Scripture never said what Sarah said was heard by YHWH because the description is that Sarah was IN THE TENT which means she was never closed to where they are.

you can also have it if you grow spiritually cos you are a physical angel but they are spiritual. You can be in Abuja and know what is happening in Lagos. It is a gift. I have experienced it.

Whatever this means.

Kobo is just a confused man. He is just like many of them here but never hide his own

Not just a confuse person but a liar who sees the Truth and try to cover it.

The scripture says ONE OF THE MEN is YHWH. That's the truth!

Sapasenator:
Why is that a question? What relevance is it.

Since you claim people worshipped a man then you can as well tell people who you worship. So it's relevant!

Sapasenator:
To make his sheep worship him and think he is second in command to God.

And who are you worshipping?

Genesis 18 shows YHWH is ONE of the MEN who visited Abraham and YHWH did eat, so anyone one doubting God can drink tea with men is never a believer in the True God reason why He was called THE ALMIGHTY.

MaxInDHouse:
Putin is simply planning ahead of WW3

Below is his picture worshiping white Jesus in his church in Russia!

Do you know if there should be WW3 that will be the end of the planet as human and other living thing will perish?

Is WW3 Armageddon?

Stargirl2011:
Leave am make she dey talk rubbish let her read chapter 19 nonesence and ingrident

Read through the passage she provided, you'll spot her lie.

Verse 10 says "ONE of them..." which means among the MEN, ONE spoke with Abraham about Sarah conceive and that "ONE IS IDENTIFY as The Lord YHWH".

She's a twister of the scriptures as you can see here.

Kobojunkie:
You dey read at all?


▶ Verse 1 states that YHWH, the LORD, appeared to Abraham and he sat among the oak trees of Mamre.
▶ After that/then, Abraham lifted his eyes and saw three men whom he invited to eat with him, Abraham. He introduced himself as a servant to these three men, but that doesn't in any way mean the men were YHWH. Equally, the passage does not say that the one who ate with Abraham was YHWH

Kobojunkie: It says right in verse 8 that the men --- not YHWH --- ate

This is the height of it, twisting scripture just to propagate lie against God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

People with brain reading the Bible passages you quoted can quickly spot your lies.

Verse 10 of that verse (from the version you provided) says "Then one of them said, “I will come again in the spring. At that time your wife Sarah will have a son.”

Which means, "ONE OF THEM" is The LORD YHWH

This is supported with the rest of the passage.

Verse 13 says "Then the Lord said to Abraham, “Sarah laughed and said she was too old to have a baby."

Which means it was The Lord YHWH who asked Abraham that question and He is the one who knows that Sarah LAUGH because Sarah was not with them.

Verse 14 even makes it more obvious that it was YHWH who was speaking as the verse says "But is anything too hard for the Lord? I will come again in the spring, just as I said I would, and your wife Sarah will have a son.”

What the speaker says as seen @color_red was first mentioned in verse 10 "Then one of them said, “I will come again in the spring. At that time your wife Sarah will have a son.”

You already agreed that it was the MEN WHO ATE FOOD and it's evident that YHWH was ONE OF THE MEN.

The extent you can go to prove how you can twist scripture is something else.

To even claim this happened in a vision or dream is still reasonable than this obvious lie when it was written in a plain English.

There's nothing bad in calling for price of commodities to be reviewed by the sellers but it will make much sense if the Prophet himself sets the example by being in the business and set the price he advocated for.

Prosper1912:
If I may ask GOVERNED by who exactly.

By God but since God's Kingdom hasn't come human still needs leader.

True or false?

MaxInDHouse:
EVIDENCE!
Ukraine and Russia is fighting and killing their fellow believers but Jehovah's Witnesses are no part of such killings due to the fine guidance of the GOVERNING BODY! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Well answer this question first So you're being forced by Nigeria Government with weapons to obey Nigerian constitution, right?

Now you're taking us back to our morning discussion.

Do JWs in Russia and Ukraine affected with the war or not?

Remember I asked you this question which you didn't answer.

MaxInDHouse:
Shockingly he is seriously looking for JWs to come and start a free home Bible study with him.
Check the below:

AND HE WILL GET HIS ANSWER online on a faceless forum

So he has found that precious pearl! Matthew 13:46
Your agitation and antagonism can't change what he has found! Matthew 7:13-14

As usual attacking a straw man

MaxInDHouse:
Shame on you!

What is on you?

It's human government that use weapons to force their laws on subjects

So you're being forced by Nigeria Government with weapons to obey Nigerian constitution, right?

that's why you people always resort to weapons whenever you people have issues

Provide your evidence for this.

while God's kingdom has corulers with Christ who use God's word to guide God's people.

The difference is clear!

Now, you agreed that Kingdom of God has Corulers who are GUIDING GOD'S PEOPLE yet you can't do things differently.


Very clear and we see the results of over 100years of fruitless effort of watchtower all over the world.

MaxInDHouse:
God always appoint humans as custodians of his word to LEAD others it's Jesus who taught us that his government will have appointed humans who will lead his subjects here on earth that's why he referred to them as "LITTLE FLOCK" {Luke 12:32} they are governing the subjects of God's kingdom on planet earth and those under them willingly subject themselves to their leadership! Hebrews 13:7, 17

Which reinforced my point that you misapplied that Psalm 146:3

That's nice

MaxInDHouse:
They thought Questionnaire just asked the question without a deep thought.
Someone who has fallen in love with the truth to the extent of asking:



I have told them times without number that a sheep belonging to Jehovah will come out from among them no matter what they do!

Funny of you.

So he must come online to asked that question.

What happened to his jws neighbour as you always shout here?

If he can't find a jws within his environment to asked that question then it means

1. Jws around him aren't who you always portrait them to be online here.
2. There is no presence of jws around him.

But someone who joined nairaland late last year without JWs around him won't come with those questions suddenly.

It means, a well known script is being played here

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus chose twelve Apostles to LEAD his group both Jesus and his Apostle were HUMANS.

So the point there is that they must agree on the way forward before they tell the people how to carry out what Jesus commanded us to do that's why Jesus said "whatever they bind on earth has been bound in heaven and whatever they loosen on earth has been loosened in heaven" {Matthew 16:19} if you are not under the direction of any visible group ọmọ you're not worshiping the same God with Jesus he formed the little group called "Apostles" out of his numerous disciples to take the LEAD.
That's why all of you are confused as you're not connected to the group Jesus is using!

Irrelevant as usual.

The issue is, you misapplied Psalm 146:3.

So come with something more reasonable.

MaxInDHouse:
This is where you failed woefully because God has always used humans to lead His people, Moses and Jesus were humans the only thing that differs is that they both relied on God's standard not standards set by humans and what is the benefit?

Don't forget where we started from and what we already established.

Human needs to be governed.

So, your Psalm 146:3 isn't applied here.

Try again.

Everyone feels indebted to God so whoever kicks against such standards knows within himself or herself that he or she is disobeying God the source of such guidance not the human through whom we received it!

This has nothing to do with Psalm 146:3

Equality, peace, joy has been achieved in God's organization that's why all of us have subjected ourselves to the same rules.

Even your other brother knows this is pure lie.

He knows this can only be enjoyed DURING GOD'S KINGDOM.

NCIS of that he even claimed Jesus is ONLY RULING THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN NOW.

Why do you think wars always break out in the midst of your own people who are also trying to worship the same god?
Well it's because of INIQUITY!

This your war mentality is so depriving you the real understanding of the scriptures.

And if you're asked to provide the evidence now, you will change gear.

bobestman:
When he quote those verses go true it very well and you will see the criteria to fulfill it and those it was written for. Then expose his lies. You they give am chance too much

Of course I know him very well.

That is why they do afraid to quote those Bible verses.

Psalm 146:3 is about man not putting trust in a mere man like him but unfortunately this is the same person who do boast on this forum that ANYONE WHO DOESN'T TRUST AND FOLLOW THEIR GOVERNING BODY COMMAND IS NOT PART OF CHRIST FOLLOWER.

BIBLESPEAKS:
The truth constantly stares many in the face, but they would rather hang on to centuries-old falsehood like the trinity or a belief in a triune God. This post is for those who wish to investigate their bibles in search for the truth about God.
Please consider this, carefully.

I use to say that, the day people like you will be able to distinguish between when the scripture is talking about Jesus as God Almighty and as Son who entered creation is the day the veil will be removed.

Well, someone has already addressed your misunderstanding of the scripture.

Well Trinity is well rooted in the Bible

1 John 5:7 "There are three who testify in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and the three are one."

MaxInDHouse:
They have achieved what is written in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3; Zephaniah 3:9

The fact is they are human which means your Psalm 146:3 you quoted earlier was misapplied.

No government or religion achieved except the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Yet equality, peace, joy and other things politicians can't achieve still can't be achieved by GB

Michael547:
So what are some of the truth that you know that you can teach me?
Let's start from there.

Holy Spirit is a Person

Speaking in tongues hasn't ended

Jesus didn't return in 1914!

Shall we begin?

Michael547:
Watchtower is doing what Jesus said they should do before ascending to heaven which is the preaching work. By doing that preaching work, We are being subject of that kingdom until it takes charge of the earth.

You didn't address my point.

1. I said, support your claim that Jesus is ruling OVER ANGELS in heaven with Bible verse.

2. Do you agree that watchtower has no CONNECTION with Jesus PRESENT RULING as King which started since 1914?

Lol you are very dubious.
Always keeping information to yourself when it matters most.

If you understand it to be dubious, well I can't blame you.

So now all of a sudden your God given wisdom to differentiate between a good politician and a bad one is now confidential.😁😁😁😁

I never said that.

Meanwhile, there's no GOOD HUMAN only God is Good.

I should go and do my own personal research which would eventually contradict your own God given wisdom of who a bad or good politician is.😁😁😁

There's nothing wrong if yours contradicted mine, we're in a free world. After all, it's not a sin.

Oga you are fake. You don't even know the right path that is why you are dubious and playing smart.

Says the person who claimed Jesus is RULING OVER ANGELS IN HEAVEN without Bible verse to support it.

Mr REAL one, you haven't proof any of my points wrong.

Do that first.

I don reach my busstop.
Bye bye. You no get content.

Mr content creator, weldon ooo

Let it be your busstop and don't act like you forgot something in the next street.

Michael547:
Over the angels in heaven

Support this with Bible verse.

That means Watchtower has no connection with Jesus RULING right now, agreed?

So are you saying that Tinubu is a wicked politician?

I quoted scripture

You can provide where I said so.

Was Peter Obi that you wanted to vote for a good politician?

I keep answer to myself.

Who among the about 18 presidential candidate can we identify to be good or a bad politician?

You can do your research and assessment on that.