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jaephoenix:
1. He who alleges must provide proof. Its an old axiom. You allege there’s a god. Proof lies on you. If I tell you I have a red dragon living in my garage, the next question should be from you to me and that is 'prove it'. It shouldn't be from me to tell you to 'prove I don't have a red dragon in my garage'.

So you don't have evidence that God doesn't exist despite claiming that you deal with EVIDENCE.

Anyways, the evidence of God's existence is the intelligence mind behind creation which shows that our universe was Designer and not from random events.

2. Scientists are still doing research on the origin of the universe. Also research on pre-Big Bang events are ongoing

That's what I'm saying, you're waiting for someone to tell you what to believe.

3. I wasnt there at the beginning of the universe. Neither were u. So obviously we have to believe whatever we are told but it must be verifiable and logical.

Who will verify it, you or another person?

How will it be verified?

Your book told stories that have been found to be lies. Simple

Who found it to be lie?

4. Your creator informed you through what? Email? Call? Sms? Lol. These guys are wonderful

Through His word pen down many years ago by those who have encountered with Him, and I confirmed it by having the same encounter with Him as well, which proved that what was pen down years ago were true.

Muslims would say the same thing. Same as Hindus. All claiming their creator told them. All the stories conflicting. So who should I believe?

From your post you established that:
1. We have to believe whatever we are told.
2. Then verify.

So if Muslim, Hindus all claim the same, you need to BELIEVE THEM FIRST (according to you) then you verify.

But remember I asked you how can it be verified?

5. Are you ready to discuss the contradictions and lies in the creation story? If yes, I would do a thread and tag u and other Christians, so u would know. Just tell me yes and I'll do it. Yes or no?
Please don't dodge

You don't need to box yourself in a corner, you can do whatever you want on this forum.

If you think there's a contradiction in the creation story, you can open a thread and tag whoever you and I'm even sure those you did not tag will still engage.

You're not the first who will think many contradictions are in the Bible, in fact, someone came up with 101 contradictions in the Bible but trust me, that was addressed by Bible students too.

funshint:
Good one....but hope lithium battery production is also coming on board? We can't continue to pilfer our raw material cheaply to oversee countries.

Lithium isn't the only materials needed for Li-on battery.

Though the OP didn't give much details on the final product being produced in the factory but Lithium is need as part of mental oxide not as pure Lithium because pure lithium is a very reactive elements , and to build a complete Li-on Battery elements such as copper, aluminium, electrolyte and material like separator and graphite are needed.

jaephoenix:
We aint hooked. We are driven by evidence.

How many evidence do you have that there's no God?

The creation/origin of the universe is still being unraveled.

By who you or?

And no scientist would tell you they have concluded in it.

Which means you base your evidence on WHAT you are told and not your personal EVIDENCE.

But u guys decide that u know how the earth is created.

We didn't, we said THE CREATOR INFORMED US.

But despite the fact that the creation story is illogical, filled with all kinds of lies and contradictions, u still stick to it.

Who concluded that it's illogical, filled with all kinds of lies and contradictions?

Same with thousands of other creation stories that came before yours, and the ones that came after.

Story.

Not only that, the bible which is your source of creation story has been found to be flawed and in fact copied from ancient scrolls like Epic of Gilgamesh, Hammurabi Scrolls etc.

And you believe because you're present when it was being copied.

Also the bible is replete with all sorts of bare-faced lies.

Says you or who?

Also your creation story has been debunked by science and history.
Do I need to go on?

Yes go on and present your EVIDENCE AS YOU CLAIM not just emotional talk.

My point is your story doesn't hold water and lacks evidence.
Suck it up!

We never tell you any story here but using the same SCIENCE, you're the one who started telling stories when no one asked you.

So focus on the OP and stop telling stories that you never asked.

capnies:
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN- JESUS CHRIST

Jesus cannot be God and mediator at the same time

Jesus became a mediator when He became part of Creation.

The same verse says "...THE MAN Jesus Christ" which only God knows why you intentionally left that part from that verse.

I guess you understand what that means?

Aemmyjah:
I'm talking about the material universe sir

Will you stop disgracing yourself online?

Nothing like MATERIAL UNIVERSE

Universe denotes THE WHOLE CREATION.

So to you, there's material universe and non-material universe.

So which one come first?

Aemmyjah:
Jesus was before what creation?

Before the creation of TIME?

Or you mean Jehovah FIRST created Time before creating Jesus?

Aemmyjah:
I don't have problem with the Father or the son or the Holy Spirit

You say I have a problem

Yes! because according to the scripture Jesus was BEFORE CREATION and according to your point on that thread THE CREATOR will be before CREATION.

So, is Jesus God if you don't have problem with Jesus being God?

You just seek relevance on NL

At least It's not your relevance.

Aemmyjah:
What lies

Go back to your thread and answer if you want to know the lies.

That Psalms 110:1, Jesus was telling Jesus to sit at his right hand?

Says you or who?

Besides, if there are three, why focus on 1 instead of the three since you say they're all equal?

You have problem with Jesus being God as against the scriptures.

You don't have problem with the Father.

Your problem with the Holy Spirit is that He is not Person.

So if your point has been about the Personhood of the Holy Spirit, I'll point it out.

Continue your boyish behavior

As long it keeps given you HBP.

Aemmyjah:
Then be reasonable and stop acting childishly

You've already said I provided a LOGICAL ARGUMENT and someone who can do that is more reasonable than you.

Someone drop a thread for atheists, it was interesting

Lack of simple comprehension is really affecting you.

I never said the thread was interesting, just like I did to your own, I single out a particular point and I said "I have INTEREST in it"

You're very poor in reasoning.

I did mine, you brought your irrelevance

Your thread is about God.

You listed many points and I pointed out some points to ask if Jesus fall within that categories, you called it irrelevant because you know answering that will expose your lies about Jesus.

Kipaji:
I'm building my home for me and my two wives.

Each wife will have her bedroom.
Now, I am wondering whether I should build one or two kitchen.
What do you think?
Input from (current or future) polygamists and women would be appreciated.

Yet you polygamist will be making it looks like there is no envy, jealous and hatred among your wives.

Why two rooms and not just one room for you and two of them?

Why not just one kitchen to show how they love each other?

Aemmyjah:
You're not reasonable

But I made a LOGICAL ARGUMENT ABOUT GOD'S EXISTENCE.

If another person drops a thread on his argument about the existence of God, you'll say it's interesting

What is he saying here?

Can't even construct proper sentence.

If it were Maxindhouse and I, you'll start your nonsense

Victim mentality.

You behave like a boy

So you know.

How old are you is what I'm asking you

I've answered you before if not that you have lost memory, you won't have asked me again.

Aemmyjah:
Bros
Use your head

Keep using your nose

If someone says he believe there's God but the God is not caring,or like someone that says God is dead
Will you say such one is reasonable?

The point you made is that "I made A LOGICAL ARGUMENT about God's existence"

How can I make a logical argument about God's existence but DONT HAVE ANY REASONABLE THING TO CONTRIBUTE?

Are you using your head at all?

Aemmyjah:
I'm interested in seeing people logical argument on the existence of God

That's it.

Anyone who can come up with a REASONABLE ARGUMENT ABOUT GOD'S EXISTENCE, shows the person is REASONABLE.

Whether you're a Muslim, , Buddha, etc... if I see something good, I'll react cos I don't buy the idea that someone will say he believes there's God cos the holy book says so
Just cos of that sticker I sent, you're acting like a child that was given sweets. Ekare baba
Abi ekare bro

The point is already made.

Whatever you come with is diversion.

jaephoenix:
2. I'm agnostic. I dont know

Anytime you people get hook it's when you pull this prank.

You don't know yet you argue against it.

Aemmyjah:
Based on a logical argument on God's existence

So someone who is not reasonable can present A LOGICAL ARGUMENT on God's existence?

Which school did you pass through?

As I've done to others including Muslims
The center core if religion is to accept God's existence and I welcome logical points
Apart from that, you've not made sense... Like a nagging wife complaining about her husband but she can't do without him...

How old are you again

Has anyone ever make sense to apart from your deluded brothers?

But one thing is sure, no person will make A LOGICAL ARGUMENT about God's existence but won't make a very fine argument about what He knows about the God He argues about His existence.

Well, I don't expect you to understand that simple fact.

MaxInDHouse:
NO it's Tea!

Even if it's water!

Maximus692:
YES i will continue as one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Your cup of coffee

MaxInDHouse:
I remain the goooooood boy!

Continue boy

MaxInDHouse:
AHe feels what the other guy is doing all over Nairaland for what happened years ago is OK.

If it's not okay let people talk not you who started it, it's a common sense.

The fact that you know you started it and the time you were doing nobody complains even your deluded brothers shows you did it to your satisfaction before you want your past to be forgotten.

Don't forget they're telling themselves the truth while we are the ones lying to ourselves!

Were you and your deluded brothers not telling yourself the truth when you started it

Or you want to agree that the time you started it you're not telling the truth?

MaxInDHouse:
OK Sir i will remain a goooooood boy!

Good of you boy

Aemmyjah:
Who's the Father of the universe?
How many are they

Answer my question first.

Here is your statement:

"What kind of a Cause would bring the universe into existence?"
1. It must be transcendent, because it existed apart from the creation
2. It must be timeless or eternal because it existed before physical time came into being.

Did Jesus not fall into these categories?

Aemmyjah:
Emusan is not even reasonable
Can't make solid presentations
Wait for irrelevant bullies to come and save his face

Yet you gave Emusan a standing ovation

MaxInDHouse:
Better!

So stop complaining if it pains you, pack one side

Aemmyjah:
The Creator does not have a Father
Jesus has a Father
The Father produced him as the beginning of his way

You have started changing mouth.

Here are your points again:

"What kind of a Cause would bring the universe into existence?"
1. It must be transcendent, because it existed apart from the creation
2. It must be timeless or eternal because it existed before physical time came into being.

Did Jesus fall into these or not?

This Post is directed to atheists using the material universe as a reference.

It makes no sense because UNIVERSE COMPRISES THE REALM OF THE SPIRIT TOO and the moment you talk about OUTSIDE CREATION then you're not talking about ONLY MATERIAL WORLD.

You're own is to find relevance on NL by tackling me n Max

Then stop creating thread on Nairaland.

Why not create your own thread?

I've done that more than hundred times.

Check my profile.

MaxInDHouse:
OK!

Good boy

Aemmyjah:
"What kind of a Cause would bring the universe into existence?"
1. It must be transcendent, because it existed apart from the creation
2. It must be timeless or eternal because it existed before physical time came into being.

Yet you believe that Jesus is a created being when the same Jesus fulfilled the two answered you put forth here.

Why didn't this your own line make you agreed with yourself about Jesus Christ?

MaxInDHouse:
For one reason or another someone told you that you're stupid at Ikeja three years ago and ever since then anywhere you see or heard of him you begin singing:
STUPIDITY OH STUPIDITY EH STUPIDITY HA#

Surely that makes a lot of sense!

At least you know you started it and no where you ever apologize for using such a derogatory word.

So allow him to do with the word as he likes.

MaxInDHouse:
OK as you wish!

Confirmed!!!

MaxInDHouse:
Who did this to you?
Don't you think of something reasonable again other than madness and insanities?
Well that's what demons does to people who turns back on truth so enjoy your bliss!

You started a fight but you're the one who started crying for help.

You forgot you start that with @achorladey

Michael547:
You guys should leave Mr Emusan alone.

Now you have chicken out of your hidden busstop.

I gave up on him when He agreed that it was 'Jesus' that told 'Jesus' to sit at his right hand in psalm 110:1.

Provide where I agreed on this.

Lying liar Jws.

How could you possibly reason with such a person that made sense out of that statement?
So just leave him.

When you don't even have sense to reason in the first place.

So, it must be very difficult for you to understand simple sentences.

MaxInDHouse:
If you want to discuss on WITNESSING you can start a thread on the topic so interested ones will join you but as for us we are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES even Jesus is a witness of our God:

I don't need to start a thread and the POV.

The Father is ALSO A WITNESS to Jesus Christ

The Holy Spirit is also a Witness to Jesus Christ

and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood. Revelations 1:5

Jesus bear WITNESS to JEHOVAH! John 17:6, 26 [/quote]The Father bears witness of Jesus John 8:18

So focus on the POV.

It's evident you don't have proof to support your claim.

As it stands now:
1. Jesus never used the name YHWH
2. The name YHWH never appears in the NT.
3. So any translation that includes it in the NT is fraudulent.

TenQ:
4. Do you concur that a Working Interconnection of several Systems is a reasonable proof of an Intelligent mind behind the controlling program of the systems where the controlling program is Non-Tangible?

No attempt on these questions especially this number 4 since!