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You see how it sweet as you are asking your questions and I'm replying accordingly but when I ask my own don't turn your blind eyes and pretend you didn't see it.

Michael547:
So if the word God applies to the three, why is the statement 'God the son' and 'God the holy spirit' wrong?

It's wrong as it make it confusing as if They are THREE DIFFERENT GODS, reason why you used DISTINCT GODS(plural) earlier.

Lol...oga how does the old testament describe God?

The OT described God as someone who sit in heaven but also can be on earth or any other part in the universe, the OT also talks about plurality of ONE GOD and also The OT says God CREATED everything ALL BY HIMSELF.

Are you insinuating that God the Father, the Son and holy spirit is not revealed in the old testament?

It's not but the idea that God can manifest in many ways were stated in the OT.

You have still not told me how the father has a higher rank in heaven oo. If he does not have, how come Jesus is given the title 'son' in heaven?

Jesus only became SON on earth which means Jesus was never a SON in heaven.

Can you provide the scripture where Jesus was given the TITLE 'SON' IN HEAVEN?

Michael547:
Oga you are confused....somebody said Jesus was both Almighty God and man while on earth and you are still defending the person. Are you guys not funny? Where does someone start understanding this your trinity from?

You're the confused one here!

Did he make any post after that to clarify or you asked him what he meant by that?

So you don't conclude on something until you get clarification on the position of the person.

Trinity is very simple to understand, that you are looking for it to be false is where the problem lies.

My advice is always put on your thinking cap when reading a post not just to rush and reply, if you don't understand the point nothing wrong in saying 'please clarify what you mean here or there'.

Michael547:
Ok....in your screenshot you agreed that there Is God the Father, the Son and holy Spirit(the son and holy spirit are not referred to as God in heaven) according to you.

My usage of God is that it applies to the THREE not the way you put it as "God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit"

You also quoted 1 cor 15:28 that says that Jesus would hand over to the father that 'God may be all in all'. Does that mean that the son and the Holy Spirit would no longer be identified? And that we would only have the father?

You're still asking the same question using different format.

The answer is in the screenshot you provided before check it again.

Michael547:
Oga stop saying what you don't know. Here is evidence below.

He said this: "Since Jesus is both God and man, the father is greater than him as a man.
The father is not in the flesh, so it does not apply to him."

If you don't understand what he said, why can't you ask him for further clarification instead of jumping into conclusion on what he didn't say?

That's why your screenshot is different from what you said before.

Michael547:
Oga that question was not directed at you....it is directed at your fellow Trinitarians, Mr truthhurts and mr steep, who have been surprisingly contradicting your own understanding of the trinity saying that Jesus was Almighty God on earth.

They never contradicted me, check your understanding of their post well.

Michael547:
Ok oo mr Modifier......what is the structure of the Trinity in heaven now?

The answer was already in the second screenshot you provided in full, check and stop going backward.

Michael547:
How come the only Almighty true God who is Jesus says that the father is greater than him in John 14:28. And that he does not know the hour of Judgment in Matt 24:36?

You're still repeating this nonsense after you have been provided with Phil 2:7

Michael547:
Here is the full screenshot....where did you deny the presence of a 'son' in heaven?

I've modified my post read it again.

With that I never used the phrase "...in heaven"

Just admit you inserted that by yourself.

Michael547:
Oga the pics below is my question about the structure of the Trinity in heaven before Jesus came to the earth and after he went back to heaven.
Did you deny that there was no 'Son' in heaven? Or are you insinuating that the 'son' here does not refer to Jesus?

Provide the full screenshot of that my post

Let's if lack of simple comprehension is not in play here.

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Modified!

It was not on that screenshot but on that screenshot I said the first part of your post has been answered.

Which is what I answered with the screenshot below.

capnies:
YOU ARE TOO QUICK TO INSULT PEOPLE IT'S NOT GOOD, PLEASE CHANGE. AS A CHRISTIAN YOU ARE MEANT TO BE RESPECTFUL TO ALL

ARE WE ACTING LIKE JESUS?

I too quick to insult, well I didn't insult.

So focus on the thread

Michael547:
You said Jesus became a son on earth. That is why you agree that the Father has a greater rank.

So where did you see "...in heaven" from?

If you answer this first we will continue.

So before Jesus came to the earth, how did the father have a greater rank? If the father did not have a greater rank while Jesus was in heaven, why is he given the title 'son'?

Michael547:
You must be very daft.....is the below screenshot not the reason you said that the father was greater in rank than the son?
So did Jesus became a son in heaven?

Block head that didn't answer my question.

Did I say Jesus became a Son on earth or not?

What does that tell you?

Michael547:
Oga you have claimed that the father and son is equal. And that the father is greater than the son in rank when the son came to the earth.
You have also claimed that the son on earth was not the Almighty God.
Now if the son is equal the father while he was in heaven, why does John 3:16 and John 12:49 say that the he was sent to do the things on earth which he did. On what authority did the father send him if they were equals in heaven?
Meaning that the

Block head!

Did I say Jesus ONLY BECAME A SON on Earth?

What does this tell you?

Michael547:
Oya explain

Here is the verse again and tell me how you came up with your question.

"Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form"

Michael547:
quote

Very pathetic

See the person I've been dialogue with since.

So where did "...in heaven" appear in my post?

Michael547:
😆 So Jesus was lying in John 12:49 and John 3:16 that the Father sent him to the earth to die abi? So it was actually his decision? OK now I understand. Jesus was a liar according to you.

Is that what you read and understand from that verse?

Michael547:
Ok oo.....if the father is separate from the son son in heaven

Where did you read this from?

Provide the source before we continue.

How come we only have GOD the Father, and not God the son and God the holy spirit in heaven?
I thought the Trinity teaches that these three combine to even form the word 'GOD'.

Michael547:
So did Jesus make that decision himself or he was told to do so by the Father in heaven?

Your lack of simple comprehension is second to none.

Read the verse I provided again.

Michael547:
Na English dey confuse you.....do you agree that the father and son are separate persons? That is my question.

That's not your question, stop lying.

Person is different from God

And you even used GODS(plural), it's evident you're the one who lack simple comprehension in English.

They are SEPARATE person.

So what is your point?

Michael547:
Lol 😆.....e be like say you and Mr Steep go soon fight. Because the two of una wan confuse me.
So if Jesus was not the Almighty God on earth but was the Almighty God in heaven, How come he said in John 5:19 that he cannot do anything except the one that he sees his father doing?

You can only see the fight within your brain.

Phil 2:7 answered your question "Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form"

Steep:
No, I am not excusing it, actually they really do not know what they were doing. That is why Jesus prayed saying his father should forgive them because they don't know what they were doing.

That's not what my post meant

I meant, they know every accusations brought against Jesus even the scriptures they used.

Paul also said the Jewish nation were blinded, and also had they knew hey won't have crucified the Lord.
Their blindness is from Moses law written for them, they were not truly keeping the law as they ought to, hence became blinded by false righteousness they thought they had.

As clarified above, I guess you understand my point now.

Of course they don't know their actions is leading to the fulfillment of God's plan even when it is written in the scriptures they are using against Jesus.

Michael547:
Oga, you have said that they are not distinct na? Please what does that mean?

You couldn't even provide evidence where you got DISTINCT GODS(plural) from.

I said they are not DISTINCT God's(plural) as you put it.

Never dodge my question again because if not you'd have seen my point.

Michael547:
Meaning that Jesus was no longer the Almighty God on earth right?

Jesus never claimed to be Almighty God on earth, scriptures only tells us Who He was before coming to earth.

Michael547:
So is the son and Father the same person?

Can you imagine this

Michael547:
Oga I have gone through your post and I have not seen where you explained the rank difference between the father and the son. You have given me a human analogy which I used, You said it cannot work that way. Oya how is the father greater than the son in rank?

Did I say Jesus became A SON while on Earth?

What does that tell you?

Michael547:
Lol....so who is the father and the son and holy spirit? Are they no longer all Distinct Gods in heaven again?

They were never DISTINCT GODS

PROVIDE YOUR EVIDENCE where you read it from that They were said to be DISTINCT GODS. Don't dodge this and pretend you don't see it.

Is 1 cor 15:28 saying that everyone in heaven including the angels now make up 'One Almighty God'?

I don't know where you see EVERYTHING IN HEAVEN INCLUDING THE ANGELS NOW MAKE UP THE ONE ALMIGHTY GOD.

Provide where you got that from.

Michael547:
Please point out your answer incase I missed it.
Stop being clever by half.
Explain the rank in which the father is greater than the son? Simple.

That means you don't pay attention to my post.

Steep:
The Jewish leaders saw Jesus as a threat to them. Jesus was gaining more and more popularity and hence they taught that one day Jesus could easily declare himself king stage an insurrection if this happens the romans would come and destroy their temple and city, they would lose their position and be decimated. For them killing Jesus was a necessity else the whole nation would perish.

Not at all, your point here is political excuse people gave to exonerate the Jewish leaders from Christ crucifixion.

The Jewish leaders then knew exactly what they were doing using God's Word to counter Jesus Christ. Jesus only correct their misunderstanding of God's word where the they wrongly apply it.

The Temple and the City were still destroyed when Jesus was not there.

Michael547:
So how is the Father greater than the son in rank?

Already answered!

Michael547:
So are you in effect saying that the Father lived before the son and procreated the son?

No! In reference to your point.

Michael547:
So was there God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit before Jesus came to earth and after he returned to heaven?

Nothing like God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

What we have is God The Father, the Son and The Holy Spirit just like in the Baptismal formula In the NAME of the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit

The first part of your question has been answered.

For the the second part, there is God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit now as Jesus returned to heaven, that is why the scriptures says "When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all." - 1 Corin 15:28 many of you don't understand this verse with @color included.

This simply means that after the Son completed His mission, then everything we know about God will be like as the OT described Him.

Michael547:
You have said that my father is greater than me in rank, in the sense that he lived before me and procreated me. I accept that explanation. I accept that my father is not more human than I am but he is higher in rank than me.
Now in what rank is the father greater than the son?

Then you should read this from my post also: "Live before you and procreate you is in RANK"