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Michael547:
Oga the pics below is my question about the structure of the Trinity in heaven before Jesus came to the earth and after he went back to heaven.
Did you deny that there was no 'Son' in heaven? Or are you insinuating that the 'son' here does not refer to Jesus?

Provide the full screenshot of that my post

Let's if lack of simple comprehension is not in play here.

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Modified!

It was not on that screenshot but on that screenshot I said the first part of your post has been answered.

Which is what I answered with the screenshot below.

capnies:
YOU ARE TOO QUICK TO INSULT PEOPLE IT'S NOT GOOD, PLEASE CHANGE. AS A CHRISTIAN YOU ARE MEANT TO BE RESPECTFUL TO ALL

ARE WE ACTING LIKE JESUS?

I too quick to insult, well I didn't insult.

So focus on the thread

Michael547:
You said Jesus became a son on earth. That is why you agree that the Father has a greater rank.

So where did you see "...in heaven" from?

If you answer this first we will continue.

So before Jesus came to the earth, how did the father have a greater rank? If the father did not have a greater rank while Jesus was in heaven, why is he given the title 'son'?

Michael547:
You must be very daft.....is the below screenshot not the reason you said that the father was greater in rank than the son?
So did Jesus became a son in heaven?

Block head that didn't answer my question.

Did I say Jesus became a Son on earth or not?

What does that tell you?

Michael547:
Oga you have claimed that the father and son is equal. And that the father is greater than the son in rank when the son came to the earth.
You have also claimed that the son on earth was not the Almighty God.
Now if the son is equal the father while he was in heaven, why does John 3:16 and John 12:49 say that the he was sent to do the things on earth which he did. On what authority did the father send him if they were equals in heaven?
Meaning that the

Block head!

Did I say Jesus ONLY BECAME A SON on Earth?

What does this tell you?

Michael547:
Oya explain

Here is the verse again and tell me how you came up with your question.

"Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form"

Michael547:
quote

Very pathetic

See the person I've been dialogue with since.

So where did "...in heaven" appear in my post?

Michael547:
😆 So Jesus was lying in John 12:49 and John 3:16 that the Father sent him to the earth to die abi? So it was actually his decision? OK now I understand. Jesus was a liar according to you.

Is that what you read and understand from that verse?

Michael547:
Ok oo.....if the father is separate from the son son in heaven

Where did you read this from?

Provide the source before we continue.

How come we only have GOD the Father, and not God the son and God the holy spirit in heaven?
I thought the Trinity teaches that these three combine to even form the word 'GOD'.

Michael547:
So did Jesus make that decision himself or he was told to do so by the Father in heaven?

Your lack of simple comprehension is second to none.

Read the verse I provided again.

Michael547:
Na English dey confuse you.....do you agree that the father and son are separate persons? That is my question.

That's not your question, stop lying.

Person is different from God

And you even used GODS(plural), it's evident you're the one who lack simple comprehension in English.

They are SEPARATE person.

So what is your point?

Michael547:
Lol 😆.....e be like say you and Mr Steep go soon fight. Because the two of una wan confuse me.
So if Jesus was not the Almighty God on earth but was the Almighty God in heaven, How come he said in John 5:19 that he cannot do anything except the one that he sees his father doing?

You can only see the fight within your brain.

Phil 2:7 answered your question "Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form"

Steep:
No, I am not excusing it, actually they really do not know what they were doing. That is why Jesus prayed saying his father should forgive them because they don't know what they were doing.

That's not what my post meant

I meant, they know every accusations brought against Jesus even the scriptures they used.

Paul also said the Jewish nation were blinded, and also had they knew hey won't have crucified the Lord.
Their blindness is from Moses law written for them, they were not truly keeping the law as they ought to, hence became blinded by false righteousness they thought they had.

As clarified above, I guess you understand my point now.

Of course they don't know their actions is leading to the fulfillment of God's plan even when it is written in the scriptures they are using against Jesus.

Michael547:
Oga, you have said that they are not distinct na? Please what does that mean?

You couldn't even provide evidence where you got DISTINCT GODS(plural) from.

I said they are not DISTINCT God's(plural) as you put it.

Never dodge my question again because if not you'd have seen my point.

Michael547:
Meaning that Jesus was no longer the Almighty God on earth right?

Jesus never claimed to be Almighty God on earth, scriptures only tells us Who He was before coming to earth.

Michael547:
So is the son and Father the same person?

Can you imagine this

Michael547:
Oga I have gone through your post and I have not seen where you explained the rank difference between the father and the son. You have given me a human analogy which I used, You said it cannot work that way. Oya how is the father greater than the son in rank?

Did I say Jesus became A SON while on Earth?

What does that tell you?

Michael547:
Lol....so who is the father and the son and holy spirit? Are they no longer all Distinct Gods in heaven again?

They were never DISTINCT GODS

PROVIDE YOUR EVIDENCE where you read it from that They were said to be DISTINCT GODS. Don't dodge this and pretend you don't see it.

Is 1 cor 15:28 saying that everyone in heaven including the angels now make up 'One Almighty God'?

I don't know where you see EVERYTHING IN HEAVEN INCLUDING THE ANGELS NOW MAKE UP THE ONE ALMIGHTY GOD.

Provide where you got that from.

Michael547:
Please point out your answer incase I missed it.
Stop being clever by half.
Explain the rank in which the father is greater than the son? Simple.

That means you don't pay attention to my post.

Steep:
The Jewish leaders saw Jesus as a threat to them. Jesus was gaining more and more popularity and hence they taught that one day Jesus could easily declare himself king stage an insurrection if this happens the romans would come and destroy their temple and city, they would lose their position and be decimated. For them killing Jesus was a necessity else the whole nation would perish.

Not at all, your point here is political excuse people gave to exonerate the Jewish leaders from Christ crucifixion.

The Jewish leaders then knew exactly what they were doing using God's Word to counter Jesus Christ. Jesus only correct their misunderstanding of God's word where the they wrongly apply it.

The Temple and the City were still destroyed when Jesus was not there.

Michael547:
So how is the Father greater than the son in rank?

Already answered!

Michael547:
So are you in effect saying that the Father lived before the son and procreated the son?

No! In reference to your point.

Michael547:
So was there God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit before Jesus came to earth and after he returned to heaven?

Nothing like God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

What we have is God The Father, the Son and The Holy Spirit just like in the Baptismal formula In the NAME of the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit

The first part of your question has been answered.

For the the second part, there is God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit now as Jesus returned to heaven, that is why the scriptures says "When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all." - 1 Corin 15:28 many of you don't understand this verse with @color included.

This simply means that after the Son completed His mission, then everything we know about God will be like as the OT described Him.

Michael547:
You have said that my father is greater than me in rank, in the sense that he lived before me and procreated me. I accept that explanation. I accept that my father is not more human than I am but he is higher in rank than me.
Now in what rank is the father greater than the son?

Then you should read this from my post also: "Live before you and procreate you is in RANK"

Michael547:
So before Jesus came to earth? What was the structure of the Trinity in heaven?

When I say you people don't have depth understanding of the discussion you are having, it'll look like insults.

God is omnipotent and Omnipresent which means God can manifest in may ways He wants and that won't stop Him to be God. This is seen in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Trinity only solved the mystery revealed in the New Testament as the scriptures shows Jesus is Almighty God, Creator and Eternal. As well as Holy Spirit is called God and Eternal and these TWO are also said to be PERSON.

Michael547:
So in what rank is the father greater than the son?

As usual, you will ask question and your questions will be answered but when just one question is asked of you you won't attempt it.

Answer my question above!

Michael547:
SO how come Jesus who is not the same person with the Father calls himself a 'son'? Please can we also call the Father a 'son'? Are you implying that the title 'Father' and 'son' means the same thing?

Another evidence of lack of scriptural understanding.

Jesus became A SON when He came to earth.

Michael547:
Lol.....so What Position is the Father Greater than the son?

The Father is greater than the Son in Rank

Can I claim equality with my earthly father when I know he lived before me and he procreated me?

You are EQUAL to your earthly father by NATURE

Live before you and procreate you is in RANK.

Let me ask you, is your father MORE HUMAN than you?

Busybrain2233:
Why do religious folks seek medical attentions when they have an Almighty God who can hear and answer them instantly when they pray for sound health

Religion folks started medical procedure, so definitely they know the difference between when God talks about healing and when God has given us HERBS for our use.

MaxInDHouse:
That is what FALSE RELIGION taught you

But you later agreed with the FALSE TEACHING of Religion in the last part of your post below.

God never promised His worshipers instant health care now

The same you said here: "Meanwhile He often cure some of His worshipers miraculously because of the work they are doing which may stop due to poor health condition but he never promised to always do such."

You tried to be clever by half and play smart but you went to contradict yourself.

"God OFTEN CURE SOME OF HIS WORSHIPPERS MIRACULOUSLY....But He(God) never promised to ALWAYS do such"

in His word He said the HERBS He created in the fields are for our sound health! Psalms 104:14

Yet Jesus HEALED many without telling them to use HERBS.

He promised a time when He will forgive all our sins it's then that sicknesses resulting from mankind's disobedience will disappear for good not now.

The post wasn't about sickness disappearing for GOOD now but healing to sickness for now.

If you've never received HEALING from God then you should question the God you're serving because Jesus healed many and promised His disciples that they'll do more than Him.

Meanwhile He often cure some of His worshipers miraculously because of the work they are doing which may stop due to poor health condition but he never promised to always do such.

That's the truth!

That is contradiction compare to what you said above.

achorladey:
JaNosense with the werey peddling brains you see how you have to do my bidding with my comments . You stating above that I am lying is the numerous attribute of your werey peddling brains.

Jehovah's Witnesses report hours to their taskmasters.

The thing really pained JaNosense he has to quote me twice

He was defending that doctrine and when Templee333 exposed his lie, he wants to shift goalpost

I can't wait for another New Light to come on Birthday sha, maybe it's then it'll finally done on them about the lies of watchtower, well as usual they might still stipend their brians and begin to shift the blame to those who couldn't endure with watchtower

Michael547:
Then if they are not the same person, how are they equals?

How many times will you be taught this same thing?

Jesus and His Father are both EQUAL in essence that is IN NATURE (what makes God to be God) just as you and your father on earth are equal in the nature of HUMAN (what makes man to be human) but your father is greater than you in position.