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Michael547:
So before Jesus came to earth? What was the structure of the Trinity in heaven?

When I say you people don't have depth understanding of the discussion you are having, it'll look like insults.

God is omnipotent and Omnipresent which means God can manifest in may ways He wants and that won't stop Him to be God. This is seen in the Hebrew Scriptures.

Trinity only solved the mystery revealed in the New Testament as the scriptures shows Jesus is Almighty God, Creator and Eternal. As well as Holy Spirit is called God and Eternal and these TWO are also said to be PERSON.

Michael547:
So in what rank is the father greater than the son?

As usual, you will ask question and your questions will be answered but when just one question is asked of you you won't attempt it.

Answer my question above!

Michael547:
SO how come Jesus who is not the same person with the Father calls himself a 'son'? Please can we also call the Father a 'son'? Are you implying that the title 'Father' and 'son' means the same thing?

Another evidence of lack of scriptural understanding.

Jesus became A SON when He came to earth.

Michael547:
Lol.....so What Position is the Father Greater than the son?

The Father is greater than the Son in Rank

Can I claim equality with my earthly father when I know he lived before me and he procreated me?

You are EQUAL to your earthly father by NATURE

Live before you and procreate you is in RANK.

Let me ask you, is your father MORE HUMAN than you?

Busybrain2233:
Why do religious folks seek medical attentions when they have an Almighty God who can hear and answer them instantly when they pray for sound health

Religion folks started medical procedure, so definitely they know the difference between when God talks about healing and when God has given us HERBS for our use.

MaxInDHouse:
That is what FALSE RELIGION taught you

But you later agreed with the FALSE TEACHING of Religion in the last part of your post below.

God never promised His worshipers instant health care now

The same you said here: "Meanwhile He often cure some of His worshipers miraculously because of the work they are doing which may stop due to poor health condition but he never promised to always do such."

You tried to be clever by half and play smart but you went to contradict yourself.

"God OFTEN CURE SOME OF HIS WORSHIPPERS MIRACULOUSLY....But He(God) never promised to ALWAYS do such"

in His word He said the HERBS He created in the fields are for our sound health! Psalms 104:14

Yet Jesus HEALED many without telling them to use HERBS.

He promised a time when He will forgive all our sins it's then that sicknesses resulting from mankind's disobedience will disappear for good not now.

The post wasn't about sickness disappearing for GOOD now but healing to sickness for now.

If you've never received HEALING from God then you should question the God you're serving because Jesus healed many and promised His disciples that they'll do more than Him.

Meanwhile He often cure some of His worshipers miraculously because of the work they are doing which may stop due to poor health condition but he never promised to always do such.

That's the truth!

That is contradiction compare to what you said above.

achorladey:
JaNosense with the werey peddling brains you see how you have to do my bidding with my comments . You stating above that I am lying is the numerous attribute of your werey peddling brains.

Jehovah's Witnesses report hours to their taskmasters.

The thing really pained JaNosense he has to quote me twice

He was defending that doctrine and when Templee333 exposed his lie, he wants to shift goalpost

I can't wait for another New Light to come on Birthday sha, maybe it's then it'll finally done on them about the lies of watchtower, well as usual they might still stipend their brians and begin to shift the blame to those who couldn't endure with watchtower

Michael547:
Then if they are not the same person, how are they equals?

How many times will you be taught this same thing?

Jesus and His Father are both EQUAL in essence that is IN NATURE (what makes God to be God) just as you and your father on earth are equal in the nature of HUMAN (what makes man to be human) but your father is greater than you in position.

Maximus692:
Highlighted is a misconception the brothers didn't sell all their possessions rather wealthy ones among those who traveled to Jerusalem sold properties they can give away in that city to assist their brothers so the poor ones also sold whatever they can give away bring it to the Apostles to be shared equally among them for those in need to return home with something. Act 4:32-37

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are still doing that today that's why you can see that we all have the Bibles and other publications free our Halls are built through the contributions of wealthy brothers in many countries who have willed their properties to Watchtower after their death such properties are sold to help brothers in poor countries like African so that all of us can have what we need as brothers and sisters.

@Templee333

I want you to read this part of his post very well and compare it with the screenshots attached below.

See how he mentioned what the early Christian did and said Jehovah Witness are doing the same TODAY.

But in the attached screenshot, you'll see the hypocrite claiming that the acts of selling properties and sharing them among early Christians is EVIL, of Flesh and what Jesus never taught anyone.

Then you'll know the kind of person you're dealing with.

cocoduck:
You can never be more wrong!

Here lies the problem with you people.

Understanding the Bible is a gradual process, as time goes on, understanding improves

Understanding of the Bible has been done many years before watchtower comes into the scene.

We already have many commentaries done both by Christians and secular people.

We have interlinear of the scriptures.

Bible has been translated to many languages for easy reading and understanding for the locals

In fact, we even have many English translations for comparison.

So claiming it's a gradual process is dishonesty, just say watchtower is dribbling you people with lies as Ephesians 4:14 informed us.

then changes are made not to the Bible but to our belief.

You're not being honest here.

People are disfellowshipped because of those beliefs. How do you think God will feel when someone was disfellowshipped base on the standard set by men and not Him?

For instance, when watchtower holds the belief that Jesus is to be worshipped, Birthday can be Celebrated e.t.c

But this later changed and called IDOLATRY or PAGAN PRACTICES.

What is the fate of those who died in these beliefs?

Will they be resurrected or forgotten in their graves as people of Christendom?

You see, this is more than just it's about our BELIEF'

I remember during thee COVID 19, when watchtower instructed jws to take COVID vaccine, some people aren't fully in support and a letter was sent to condemned such people.

Today, more than 2/3 of the world population didn't take the vaccine and nothing is happening to them. So, how do you think those who feel they don't need the vaccine among jws should feel?

And why should watchtower be passing instruction from mere men as if it was coming from God directly?

These are the issues and not just OUR BELIEFS.

Janosky:
JWs dey give monthly Report ?

Yes !

Oga continue WAILING.

When the father of lies is your father, then there's no how you won't take after your father.

Templee333 never talked about MONTHLY report but Hourly.

Evidence below on the screenshot and the LINK HERE!

Lying liar jws like his father the Devil.

Meanwhile, reading Templee333 post, he asked for Biblical back up to support the hourly report in which you went ahead to quote several scriptures to proof that God's servants do give REPORT.

Evidence in that link and another screenshot below.

Even a moniker @Tripplechoice engaged you for misrepresentation of the question Templee333 asked.

Check 3rd screenshot.

Now that your gods in Warwick have disgraced you, you want to shift goal post.

Ko Jo rara

Remember I do tell you how stupid you people will be when in few years time New Light keep coming from Warwick after night and day of defending the same thing.

The Holy Spirit of God through the blessed Apostle Paul had warned you jws but you people refused to listen but keep harden your heart.

Ephesians 4:14 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive" - KJV

"Then we will no longer be like babies. We will not be people who are always changing like a ship that the waves carry one way and then another. We will not be influenced by every new teaching we hear from people who are trying to deceive us—those who make clever plans and use every kind of trick to fool others into following the wrong way." ERV

"So then, we may no longer be children, tossed [like ships] to and fro between chance gusts of teaching and wavering with every changing wind of doctrine, [the prey of] the cunning and cleverness of unscrupulous men, [gamblers engaged] in every shifting form of trickery in inventing errors to mislead." - AMPC

Tradepunter2:
People into selling of materials are the biggest liars I have ever come across

This is not the fault of people selling but the manufacturers.

The same thing happened in reinforcement, timbers, e.t.c

riczy:
I mean questions about the Faith and not chronological related questions even though I have d answers

1. Did what the Apostles do by selling their properties and share it among themselves what Jesus never approved, things of the flesh or it's completely EVIL?

2. Does the name Christian A bastardised and cursed and the reason Jehovah gave watchtower a New Name?

3. Are Jws also a Christian?

4. There is archeological evidence that Roman Empire used Cross to crucified people and never POLE, how can the same Roman soldiers crucified Jesus on a pole?

5. There is archeological evidence that Jerusalem was destroyed in 587BC and this is the date all historians agreed with, so where does Watchtower get the date that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607BC from?

achorladey:
Bookmarked

After all you said the Devil do influence Jehovah’s organization and members are sinners. Jehovah’s witness girls satisfying their sexual urge will be divorced in no time after the husband cannot match up with their sexual urge no wonder adultery and wife swapping dey in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses


Madness and insanities peddling brains will deny this in future.


Cc: Emusan, Oteneaaron, Courz


Food is ready: kokolet007, Aemmyjah Janosky

The most astonished part is that he doesn't know the implications of what he mostly say sometimes.

Well, since his conscience has been blocked, so for him there's no shame and lying at will it's his power.

If you look at that statement very well, he couldn't condemn the Jws girls' act by bodly called it FORNICATION but just sugar coated it by saying THEY JUST WANT TO SATISFY their sexual urges.

Also, see how he tried to shift the blame from jws girls to the guys they are committing fornication together.

Lastly, one thing is clear from his post, jws are also enjoying the things of the world.

Raalsalghul:
Who dey run this project for you and how you dey monitor?

I have been thinking of starting something along these lines.

I'm a Building Engineer, I can deliver the project for you.

NICOGRAVITY:
I presently live in a 2 storey house that's a 104 years old. The decking is purely wood.
Why don't we result to building with woods and bricks.
Why are we wasting so much money on iron rods.
Can the bamboo carry the heavy weight load and sustain its durability for 30 years?
In building we have to be futuristic, aplly health and safety, and also make sure that used materials are tested and approved.
Be careful not to build cheap today and same building collapse in 30 years time killing you and your loved one's.
Better build a bungalow.

Wood TENSILE STRENGTH is very low and wooden structure has limited height compare to that of reinforced concrete reason why man can build Burj Khalifa and the ongoing Jeddah Tower in Saudi Arabia with a height of over 1,000m.

Lastly, wood can't prevent fire rather adding to it.

Imagine, if the Empire State building in USA was constructed with wood when the Small Bomber jet rammed into it and the jet fuel caused a lot of fire that damage few floors(Decking). It means the Empire State building won't be around today.

Offpoint1:
Bamboo is actually stronger than steel

This is pure misinformation.

Steel is 2.5-3.0 times to bamboo in tensile strength.

But Bamboo is 3-4 times of steel when measured per unit weight.

But remember, structural design and analysis is done using TENSILE STRENGTH not per unit weight.

Also, Nigeria isn't a country where Bamboo can be effectively used for construction because of factors to be considered.

Omihanifa:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2024/03/high-cost-of-iron-rods-engineers-now-build-with-bamboo/

Any Engineer found using Bamboo should be arrested and his/her certificate withdrawn.

Maximus692:
Guy when i said you are the same person as Courz, Sakody, Achorladey you asked for evidence and i showed you what another person observed.

Now in a simple sentence what exactly did you say JWs did wrong in that post?

Can't you simplify it?

So you only based your false accusation on hearsay.

Very pathetic.

For instance, an observer can say I'm using different moniker when the person sees a moniker like @Emu4life because my email started with Emus4life

Notice: My email has 'S' while the moniker doesn't have.

In fact, the very day I saw that moniker I was so surprised how it almost correlated with my email but one thing I noticed with that moniker is that he is a MUSLIM.

That is why the Bible says 'we should search all things and hold on to the one that is TRUTH.'

Anyway, if you can lie against God's Holy Spirit who else you can't lie against or what lie can't you tell?

Maximus692:
OK nah!

Jesus said woe onto the Pharisees yet one of them Nicodemus came to Jesus secretly saying:

“Rabbi, we know that you have come from God as a teacher, for no one can perform these signs that you perform unless God is with him.” John 3:2

Even when they plotted to kill Jesus Nicodemus stood out differently asking them:

“Our Law does not judge a man unless it first hears from him and learns what he is doing, does it" John 7:51

That shows that out of unbelievers few ones will use their power of reasoning!

Keep shifting the goal posts

kokolet007:
He’s so bitter! All he need is to be truly repentant and go back to Jehovah but instead their arrogant and pride will lead them to more sin. That’s why the Bible said the humble ones will receive Jehovah’s blessings

@Bold - does that mean Jws are sinless?

Maximus692:
The same person:
Court,
oteneaaron,
achorladey

As usual I've already predicted this earlier

I wonder why you didn't add my moniker to the list.

This is the lowest you people can go to when your lies are exposed.

Maximus692:
When Jesus said the world will hate his friends {John 17:14} are his friends from another planet?

Ọmọ it simply means majority as in 99.9% of the inheritants of the earth will hate his friends and say bad things about us but unbiased and sincere individuals will dig deeper to find out what is behind the malicious comments!

Only you quoting Bible only you giving false Data.

Well, you already praised someone that means your assertion is false.

Maximus692:
Our King said we are no part of the world {John 17 :14} so we don't expect the world to say positive things about us nah! Matthew 5:11-12

But you just pointed out someone who says POSITIVE thing about you?

Was the person from heaven?

achorladey:
The ones he saw going to church this morning and every other day go with bombs, guns, cutlasses alongside their Bibles

Or maybe as everyone gets to the church, they started throwing chairs, stick and stone to each other

Maximus692:
Please help me ask him o because these idea of JWs labelled

"PEACEABLE PEOPLE"

Is a matter of serious concern! Matthew 5:14-16

That was his own perspective.

If you go through the thread, you'll know what others also feel about Jws.

So don't just gaslight on this person alone and feel yes that is what the view of other people are.

As usual you turn your blind eyes that you didn't see others negative view about Jws on this same thread but they are there.

Well, you can lie to yourself also by saying it's me or another person using multiple monikers to say all those negative things about Jws.

Mikeloo:
I also know them as peaceable people even though they are not perfect and have some bad "eggs" within too just like any other religion

Is there any Christian denomination that is not PEACEABLE PEOPLE?

kokolet007:
No where jw ever said wearing trousers are sin , we Jehovah’s witnesses wear trousers casually for other formal or informal occasions, people that work in betel and other facilities wears trousers for their daily activities or task but we don’t wear it for our religious activities like meetings or assemblies. And this new update still indicates what’s suit your environment and your conscience. And remember it’s slack and most be considerate corporate.

Do you even understand what you're saying?

Do you think if such isn't consider as sin (like don't wear to the presence of Jehovah), people won't be wearing it to meeting or assembly?

Where is the conscience when you can wear trouser for formal or informal occasion but can't wear it to meeting or assembly? That means it isn't about CONSCIENCE but what the Governing body prevented.

Lastly, is meeting or assembly NOT A FORMAL gathering?

chatinent:
That means you also didn't understand the English rendering...cos nothing as this is biblical either.

So are the new changes made also BIBLICAL BEFORE?

Maximus692:
All these is STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!

Christians must assemble for the preaching and teaching work Jesus assigned to them so if you're not doing so you can't be a Christian!

So are you A Christian?

Maximus692:
It's better you stick to question between only you and i without attaching my religious group because i won't answer a single question that has to do with my group if you will not mention yours!

Smile....

Always with excuse.

The question 'are you Maximum692 A Christian?' Did you answer it? No!

Meanwhile, you keep asking me to tell you my place of worship is laughable.

Do you agree that Emusan isn't @OLAADEGBU again?

because no prominent person on Religion section who doesn't know that @OLAADEGBU is A Deeper Life member including you.

If Emusan isn't the same person as @OLAADEGBU as you stated before, where did you ever admit it? At least, that will show you're not confused. But claiming HOLY Spirit told you something and you keep asking me the same thing Holy Spirit told is nonsense.

Lastly, if you still insisted that both Emusan and @OLAADEGBU are still the same person as Holy Spirit told in that screenshot, aren't you supposed to hold whatever Holy Spirit told you above whatever I'll tell you? At least I know you believe Holy Spirit can't lie.

Anyways, I know you'll keep coming with different excuses but you can't eat your cake and also have it.

Maximus692:
Highlighted is the organization i associate with now mention yours!

My question wasn't directed to Watchtower that was very clear, well maybe you have added eyes problem with the dull brain.

On the other hands, you keep saying I should tell you the church I associated with.

Meanwhile, you are the very one who claimed on this forum that The Holy Spirit of Jehovah told you Maximum692 that Emusan is the same person behind the moniker @OLAADEGBU and you know as well that @OLAADEGBU is a member of Deeper Life. (Even your deluded brother Amemjah or whatever use to called me KUMUYI boy, I think because him too believed your story of what The Holy Spirit of Jehovah to you his brother).

So, are you trying to say The Holy Spirit of Jehovah lied to you?

OR

Do you want to accept that you liked against The Holy Spirit of Jehovah?

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Evidence is below @screenshot