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Joagbaje:
@ enigma ,
Well concerning pastor chris phd . I'm not in the right place to disclose such personal information.
But what has that got to do with my question. Your secretary was busy defending and covering up for you. what an escape, I never knew you to be a coward o.

1. You are a weasel --- in that you probably know that Oyakhilome's "PhD" is fake and you are just looking for ways to avoid facing/answering the question.

OR

2. You are an ignoramus; and you do not know what a genuine PhD is; you do not know that a PhD is a matter of very public record; for instance, in some countries a PhD candidate must not only submit his thesis to his university/institution but also to the national library of the country cocerned for public record.

AND

3. If you do not know who Isaiah 53 is referring to from the Christian perspective, you are a dunce.

Here is one more chance to redeem yourself:

. . . could you please tell us which university or institution he (Oyakhilome) got his PhD from and in which year?

For examples and previous discussions of multi-LNB setup see:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-7715.256.html#msg1696778

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-7715.256.html#msg1696786

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-7715.160.html#msg1662732


There are other posts on multi-LNB if you use the nairaland search feature.

Joagbaje:
@enigma

The isaiah 53 you quoted, who was it talking about? Don't do hit and run . Come and explain.

Joagbaje:
Don't tell me Altheia is Enigma.  Enigma ought to explain himself . Pls Mr Enigma I'm waiting.

Joagbaje:
Altheia what is this cover up about. I know Enigma is in there. I dey wait for am! Go call am come!

(edited)

I have no problem to answer your question; firstly, I've been out all day.  More importantly, you will have to answer my own question that you have studiously ignored so far. Here it is one more time:

. . . could you please tell us which university or institution he (Oyakhilome) got his PhD from and in which year?

I see Joagbaje talking about good looks ------ well what about John the Baptist?  Oh oh oh or what about this:

Isaiah 53:2

He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

ObviouslyPerhaps the likes of Joagbaje cannot follow the person being referred to in that passage since he is said to have no beauty, majesty or anything special in His appearance. Well, some of us are happy to follow Jesus Christ whether or not He was handsome. We can obviously expect Joagabje to come and boast again that Oyakhilome is more handsome than Jesus Christ ---- afterall he has said on a number of occasions that opaks Oyaks "is doing more than Jesus"! (EDITED)


Meanwhile the Oyaks defenders are avoiding answering the question below:

Enigma:
. . . could you please tell us which university or institution he (Oyakhilome) got his PhD from and in which year?

ogoamaka99:
@ nuclearBOY,
You are the one making exuses, i simply told you that i will deliver your laptop through a known address and i choose a religious place of worship.This is to confirm that you are my brother in Christ and not an atheist because i may not fulfill my promise if confirmed that you are "an atheist".You can contact me through my e-mail address if you fulfill the above condition @ vinogoamaka99@yahoo.com
Sorry i don't have anything against atheists, but the only thing is that the GOD i serve will not be happy with me to use the money HE gave me to buy laptop for an atheist.
You can't look for yourself because i may be residing at Eyimba city , you may be kidlapped if you come there yourself. I prefer to deliver it myself to avoid your been kidlapped_ .

This means that "the god you serve" is not the same as the God of the New Testament of the Bible; otherwise you will remember that He makes no discrimination (whether atheist, pagan etc) when He taught His disciples to "Love thy neighbour" and using the example of the good Samaritan.

Look, if you can't truly afford a laptop to give, just 'fess up and save some integrity for yourself otherwise be known as an empty boaster or even a liar.

Enigma:
The "Yahweh is evil and the Old Testament is full of wickedness" spiel has indeed become rather tiresome!

Jenwitemi:
It is the truth, so get used to it. It will keep on coming in your face as long as you keep on displaying this despicable entity called "yahweh" as the "good" and "just" creator of the universe. This is just the beginning.

Don't worry, we can endure it ----- like a broken record that we don't /can't turn off e.g. for politeness' sake!

If people will forgive, I think it may be helpful to post a small extract from the J I Packer extraction here for a brief explanation on the point about antinomy.

The particular antinomy which concerns us here is the apparent opposition between divine sovereignty and human responsibility, or (putting it more biblically) between what God does as King and what He does as Judge. Scripture teaches that, as King, He orders and controls all things, human actions among them, in accordance with His own eternal purpose. Scripture also teaches that, as Judge, He holds every man responsible for the choices he makes and the courses of action he pursues. Thus hearers of the gospel are responsible for their reaction; if they reject the good news, they are guilty of unbelief. “He that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed.” Again, Paul, entrusted with the gospel, is responsible for preaching it; if he neglects his commission, he is penalized for unfaithfulness. “Necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!” God’s sovereignty and man’s responsibility are taught us side by side in the same Bible; sometimes, indeed, in the same text. Both are thus guaranteed to us by the same divine authority; both, therefore, are true. It follows that they must be held together, and not played off against each other. Man is a responsible moral agent, though he is also divinely controlled; man is divinely controlled, though he is also a responsible moral agent. God’s sovereignty is a reality, and man’s responsibility is a reality too. This is the revealed antinomy in terms of which we have to do our thinking about divine command and free-will.

To our finite minds, of course, the thing is inexplicable. It sounds like a contradiction, and our first reaction is to complain that it is absurd. Paul notices this complaint in Rornans 9: “Thou wilt say then unto me, Why does he [God] yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?” (Rom. 9:19). If, as our Lord, God orders all our actions, how can it be reasonable or right for Him to act also as our Judge, and condemn our shortcomings? Observe how Paul replies. He does not attempt to demonstrate the propriety of God’s action; instead, he rebukes the spirit of the question. “Nay but, 0 man, who are thou that repliest against God?” What the objector has to learn is that he, a creature and a sinner, has not right whatsoever to find fault with the revealed ways of God. Creatures are not entitled to register complaints about their Creator.7

This incomprehensible antinomy—God’s will, man’s will, and free will—occupies a large part of God’s truth. Does this subject have a message for ministers and Christians in this day of doctrinal indifference and ignorance? It most certainly does.

Cool; that's why I needed to be clear. My first contribution, I believe, was implicit that generally free will and omniscience are incompatible. On the face of it if an omnipotent God knew what would happen and not only allowed it to happen but also made provision for its happening, then there is no choice in the matter of the 'happening'.

One may look at the situation of 'Adam and Eve' in this way --- did God not know before they were created that they would 'fall'? (Think there is a current thread like that) Evidently He did because He made provision for it even "before the founding of the world" (Lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world and all that . . .) On this reasoning, it is difficult to maintain that 'Adam and Eve' had much choice in the matter.

On the other hand, I don't think we can doubt that there are many things on which human beings are clearly left to exercise a choice. Take a banal example: should I wear a green or a red tie today? Nevertheless, the fact that they do exercise a choice does not mean an omniscient God did not know, even beforehand the choice they would make. In a way this takes us back to 'Adam and Eve' (even though not very convincingly to me myself) in that one line of thought is that God did give them free will (of sorts, I guess), and, knowing before hand the choices they would make, made provision.


PS Regarding that linked piece, it wasn' t so much the author's own writing I really wanted to highlight but the excerpt of J I Packer's work in it; I will modify my first post to make this clear.

EDITED PS also: what do you make of Kant's third antinomy?

Joagbaje:
And whats your bad belle. For PHD. If a man has PHD in theology, and its disturbing you. Go get yours. He got it because of people like you. That require outward title for approval. Because some will not listen untill they know what back up your authority. He didnt get it for show. he wants to rach everyone. Paul had to identified with different classes just to reach. them .He even shaved his head ! all for Jesus!

Out of curiosity, could you please tell us which university or institution he got his PhD from and in which year?

^^^ What "notion": free will/ omniscience or 'antinomy' per se?

^^^ And are the examples of Enoch, Elijah etc within what is meant by "rapture"? PS he is very easy to read and second-guess because I knew all along that the things he listed were what he had in mind.

The "Yahweh is evil and the Old Testament is full of wickedness" spiel has indeed become rather tiresome!

There is a word that needs greater attention or to be used more often in discussions of the more abstruse Christian theological issues. That word is antinomy which, roughly, means the holding at one and the same time of two {apparently} contradictory laws or principles or truths (edit). A major example from Christian theology would be ---- Jesus is at one and the same time God [b]AND[/B] MAN!

If our perception of God is that He is so far above our comprehension, i.e. our finite minds can only understand so much ---- then we will realise that any theory concerning freewill/predestination/omniscience that humans put forward will probably be inadequate. On the other hand, if we recognise antinomy, we would not have to hold that free will and omniscience are necessarily incompatible at all events.


EDITED I have just found a very useful link (particularly the excerpt from J I Packer) I would like to bookmark here: http://www.reformedreader.org/rbb/reisinger/gwmwfwch04.htm

enitan2002:
There's always a laughter of mockery across my face whenever i go through this thread.

What could abu dhabi be thinking when they were unveiling this HD plan? If the spoke-person has been drunk, at least we'd still some peeps in their normal sense to correct this guy. They want to roll out all their stations in HD? I guess they also are heading for destruction just like DAARSAT. I have not seen any paytv provider except daarsat that rolled out all their stations on HD. Even the almighty al-jazeera that is having rights to the worldcup didnt take that step.

Where do they expect millions of subscribers to get HD boxes between now and when EPL kicks off in about 4 weeks time? Sudan, Egypt, libya, Chad, Niger, Mali, e.t.c to just name a few. I'm just laughing here in swahili.

Well i think that maybe possible if they are planning a partnership with OSN, cos already OSN have been advertising for some time now that they are ready to make exchange for their existing MPEG2 decoder for a full HD one, with no additional cost. And if they wont be in partnership with OSN, i guess its gonna be a white elephant project.

Let them start with MPEG-2 first, and then gradually move to HD format.


And to those at the dark side of FTA, just know that you wont be successful with the various ways cos that their HD decoder wont be adaptable for your dark purposes.

Especially at the bolded: you have a point and in fact that is partly why they are going down the HD route; however some HD channels elsewhere have already been subjected to the "dark purposes" treatment. The Abu Dhabi people have far deeper pockets than the Daarsat crew though.

fatruk:
Could I get information about a freesat decoder that a friend brought from UK, whether in could be used for free-to-air satellites here in west africa.

See HERE

fatruk:
spaceman,
May God bless you. The following are the specs as shown on the box:
   
Over 140 digital channels
Free HD TV programmes*
UK-wide reception
No subscription, no monthly bills
Parental control
DVB-S2 Tuner
Access all freesat Digital 00Channels and Radio Stations
7-Day On-Screen Guide
Interactive TV
Digital Text

My difficulty now is that i cannot access the main menu for me to manually scan my preferred satellites. Anytime I switch it on it quickly starts automatic scanning of the factory installed programmes. I hope you could help me out.

Fatruk
Accra, Ghana.

You should state the Make/Model of your freesat receiver; there are different makes e.g. Humax/Bush/Grundig etc; the Bush and Grundig are the same; the Humax is different and of two types i.e. HD and HDR.

Leaving all that aside, your problem is this: freesat receivers are programmed to look for the freesat default transponder on 28e in order for them to work properly. Your freesat receiver can only work in West Africa (a) if you have a massive massive massive dish that can receive the freesat default transponder; OR (b) it has been first used in the UK (i) to load the freesat channels AND (ii) to activate non-freesat mode.

Practical from here: You can only possibly make your freesat receiver work in non-freesat mode; to do that ----- when you turn it on and it starts searching for freesat, stop it and try going into the Menu; if you can get into the Menu, search for "Add Non-freesat Channels" or "Non-freesat" mode. If you can't get into the menu, it means that non-freesat mode has not been activated and you will need to send the receiver back to the UK (or somewhere that can receive the 'UK' beam of 28e) to activate the non-freesat mode after downloading freesat channels.

nuclearboy:
Little wonder they say there are no lawyers in Heaven 

Na lie oooooooo! We lawyers have a special pass to heaven. Make you no forget say the Greatest Lawyer of all is in heaven, indeed the owner of heaven - Olorun. "We have an advocate pleading for us . . ." and all that.

I have followed this thread a little bit albeit without contributing. I just want to point out in relation to the latter dominant points/observations, I suppose rather obviously, that there are some posts and posters that are worth very little time. Personally, I don't bother to reply some posters ---- that is if I could even be bothered to read their posts.

@obojo

You are too smart to be an obojo!

Or maybe (with Yorkshire accent) he is interested in t'crack or cracks?

Joagbaje:
Sir John , and Enigma.

Does God still heal through healing ministers Today. Yes or No?

You forgot your newly-found scripture

Joagbaje:
Proverbs 26:4
4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.


2 Timothy 2:16
16 But shun profane[ and] vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

So No explanation.

Anyway Sir John has answered your question adequately and I couldn't be bothered beyond that.

Obatity:
@ Enigma

Wheather you feel the healings performed by God through Pastor Chris is real or not, that still does not stop the work of God because they are very very REAL.

Yep, the work of God is very real indeed. However, I do not know of any healing performed by God through Oyakhilome!

Every day people are getting saved, healed, restored through his ministry.

I'm afraid I've not seen any such or even any evidence of such as you claim.

I am a living testimony.

Well, congratulations ---- though I don't really know what you mean!

But my advice for you is that dont use such unholy words againt the man of God or (any man of God) its too dangerous,

Thank you for your advice but I'm afraid I don't need it; neither do I understand what you mean by "its too dangerous"! Is he going to send hired assassins after me? Mind you, I'm not even afraid of that!

remember his an anointed man of God.

Is he? I'm afraid I am not aware of that and neither do I even believe it, now that you mention it!

U are not in position to judge him.

I'm afraid I very much am!

Were you there when God called him?.

Nope, in fact I don't believe God called him! Were YOU there "when God called him"?

The church members of Christ embassy you insulted are part of the body of Christ. Are you aware? ( The church is the body of Christ).

On this one, I will genuinely soften what I wrote earlier; I don't believe that every member of CE is a slowpoke or a buffoon; there are a number who are, no doubt, and we see them here denigrating Jesus Christ in order to exalt opaks Oyaks.

So many people listen to rumors about Pastor chris and other men of God and base their conclusions on that which is wrong. Come into the church and see things for your self. You will discover they are all lies.

I actually gave him the benefit of the doubt for a long time when he started his m-industry publicly on TV. Unfortunately, he soon proved himself to be a charlatan!

]Pastor chris teaches the word, he will make you understand the word of God so that you can apply it in every area of your life and when you hear the word faith authomatically comes in, then the miracle, healing and above all your MIND WILL BE RENEWED.

Sorry, Oyakhilome preaches the word of a different "god" from the God incarnated in Jesus Christ and revealed in the Bible.

My mind is renewed according to the gospel of Jesus Christ. I do not need the corruption peddled by Oyakhilome; no, thanks.

A word is enough for the wise.

I hope you will take this to heart yourself.

Joagbaje:
The point has been proven that , pastor chris is doing what Jesus did, even more.

Yes, we know that to you Christ Embassy morons, opaks Oyaks is greater than the Saviour of the world; opaks Oyaks is more than that; he is greater than Jesus; he does more than Jesus.

In fact to buffoons like you opaks oyaks is God. EDIT Sorry, in fact I insult him; opaks Oyaks is greater than God!

And I make no apologies for this post --- even though I know how you are likely to "explain" your idiotic statement.

WILL YOU COME AND FOLLOW ME (The Summons)
John Bell (1949- ) and Graham Maule (1958- )
Tune: Kelvingrove

Will you come and follow me,
If I but call your name?
Will you go where you don't know
And never be the same?
Will you let my love be shown,
will you let my name be known,
will you let my life be grown
in you and you in me?

Will you leave your self behind
if I but call your name?
Will you care for cruel and kind
and never be the same?
Will you risk the hostile stare
should your life attract or scare,
will you let me answer prayer
in you and you in me?

Will you let the blinded see
if I but call your name?
Will you set the prisoners free
and never be the same?
Will you kiss the leper clean
and do such as this unseen,
and admit to what I mean
in you and you in me?                           (ETA this verse)

Will you love the 'you' you hide
if I but call your name?
Will you quell the fear inside
and never be the same?
Will you use the faith you've found
to reshape the world around
through my sight and touch and sound
in you and you in me?

Lord, your summons echoes true
when you but call my name.
Let me turn and follow you
and never be the same.
In your company I'll go
where your love and footsteps show.
Thus I'll move and live and grow
in you and you in me.

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Pity they won't let us embed the fab arrangement in link below; those who like this kind of thing will enjoy a treat if they go and play it on Youtube.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08cGl44SWGM&NR=1


EDIT It's very interesting that John Rutter the arranger of this version and perhaps the leading contemporary composer/arranger of sacred choral classical music is at the least an agnostic!!

I think aletheia's post has done the business. As argued in that post, I also believe that the "rapture" doctrine is based on a misinterpretation and misapplication of scripture. As with the article I believe that the 1 Thess passage (as well as the others sometimes used) by those who teach/believe the "rapture" doctrine do/es not really teach a "rapture" doctrine at all. One thing we know for certain: Jesus is coming back! The date or time we do not know ---- even Jesus said whilst He was on earth that only the Father knows. Granted, He told of things that must happen first ---- but how long will their occurrence/s take place for, we don't really know.

Anyhow -- can we indulge a bit? The following hymn is taken from the book Revelation etc telling of Christ's coming (my preferred shorter version):

Lo He Comes with Clouds Descending (Best Tune = Helmsley)

http://nethymnal.org/htm/l/h/lhecomes.htm  (longer version)

Lo! He comes with clouds descending,
Once for favored sinners slain;
Thousand thousand saints attending,
Swell the triumph of His train:
Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
God appears on earth to reign.

Every eye shall now behold Him
Robed in dreadful majesty;
Those who set at naught and sold Him,
Pierced and nailed Him to the tree,
Deeply wailing, deeply wailing, deeply wailing,
Shall the true Messiah see.

The dear tokens of His passion
Still His dazzling body bears;
Cause of endless exultation
To His ransomed worshippers;
With what rapture, with what rapture, with what rapture
Gaze we on those glorious scars!

Yea, Amen! let all adore Thee,
High on Thine eternal throne;
Savior, take the power and glory,
Claim the kingdom for Thine own;
O come quickly! O come quickly! O come quickly!
Everlasting God, come down!

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Recalling the below

Jenwitemi:
1)The concept of "commanding" people to love one another is so deeply flawed, i don't know where to start. Nobody can command any human to love, not even God. The idea itself is silly. Love is a feeling of emotion that can only be emoted spontaneous and naturally, and not to be commanded. If we have to be commanded to love, then we don't have love, and what we don't have, we can't give. Full stop.

and also

Jenwitemi:
I say, "don't let yourself be commanded to love, for that is useless. Don't let yourself be taught how to love, for that is hopeless. But allow yourself to be lead back to your true nature, which is pure love itself. Don't be taught how to love, become love by returning to your true self. Don't be commanded to love, become love by finding your true self. There is no other way to true love but through reuniting with one's true self."

Love to all humanity.

I was interested to read the below especially the advice (I suppose as distinct from command) I bolded (in fact and also belatedly noticing the bit I bolded above); perhaps Jenwitemi agrees with Christian doctrine more than he realises in fact? 

Jenwitemi:
^^ There is no one "true" religion, my guy, even though they all like to think that they are. You are already serving God with your existence in this life. All other things are just man-made extracurricular activities(and also part of the experience). In which man-made religious organization you subscribe to is totally irrelevant. But if you want to keep on really confusing yourself, then keep putting all these crazy religions between you and your maker. But i am sure you don't want that, from what i read in your post.

My advice to you, keep organized religion and their confusing doctrines out of your relationship with your creator and make sure they stay out. They are nothing more than just mind parasites acting as self-elected intermediaries between you and your maker. All they do is keep you in a state of confusion.

About knowing what is right or wrong, what is negative or positive, go with your in-born intuition. Let it guide you instead of listening to a whole posse of socalled religious leaders who most probably do not have a clue what they are talking about. We are now in the intuition age and only folks who can understand and use their power of intuition properly will be able to adjust. Try as much as possible to be a positive force for good in this world. Leave the world better than you found it and love everyone equally.

aletheia:
True men of God do not seek the praise or acclamation or titles or approbation of this world system.

You are making too much sense! You are following the Bible too much!

If you follow for example the CEC's Rhapsody of erRoRs, you will know that it is good to claim even fake titles, like fake PhDs ----- example = Chris Oyakhilome "PhD"!!!!

^^ We will catch kenyan28/drmightie out conclusively one day.

^^^ It doesn't really matter to me what you think about me.  I am not surprised that Oyakhilome is able to fool you --- we have seen several examples of your "perceptive abilities" and "discernment"; we also have enough evidence that part of the reasons you are happy to go along is because your own belly too is being filled from the opaks Oyaks hulabaloo. On a bigger scale, it doesn't surprise me that Oyakhilome is able to fool a lot of people - afterall the book says that satan masquerades as an angel of light! Nuff said. 

It was his nemesis Kunleoshobi who caught him out "eagle-eyedly"  I don't think even Joagbaje would stoop so low as to deny it occurred; the best (somewhat credible) defence he can use is the one he used i.e. that he did not realise she did not log out. In any event, at the minimum we know that mabell and pasiiitor Joagbaje have been at one time (or are normally) under one roof.

I'll give you another one though ---- oh no, they don't go that scot free. Early on when I first returned to posting in the religion forum (circa January) I saw a post by mabell to the effect: 'oh Joagbaje, your posts are always so inspiring'; it struck me then that something was fishy and subsequently one noticed the cohort "trinity" of Joagbaje, mabell and nuella2; but it was Kunle's detective work that confirmed the mabell/Joagbaje connection beyond doubt.

These claims of "miracles" are sheer bull; obviously, you see the tactics they resort to when asked for evidence. They had x-ray, they didn't have x-ray; phone them etc all is just nonsensical dem say dem say ------ from the so-called "miracles" done by Oyakhilome himself down to claims of minions and lower like Joagbaje.