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Salvation is like a certificate.
Can you get a certificate without obeying the rules and regulations of the school , like passing the required subjects , paying your school fees and obeying the school's rules and regulations ?

Salvation is not an automatic thing , there are so MANY THINGS OR COMMANDMENTS TO OBEY.

One of them is tithes payments .

spongeisback:
The bible says Revelation 1:14-17
14)The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire.
15)His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters.
16)In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.
17)When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.



The bible is a tripe written by cave men who believed that women are just tools. Do you ever wonder why they're no female angel? Even the mother of your christ was raped "the Holy Spirit" came on her she didn't have any say. The angel just brought the news whether she liked it or not the men have decided.



BTW whoever wrote this revelation must have been high on some strong drug. WTF is sword coming out of his mouth for? How did he place his right hand on the writer's shoulder without stabbing the writer??!

You are sick .

hpymoment:
The presence of God always carries fire and this fire can b inform of holy spirit and the wood there serves' as a sustainer to the fire. Water as a vapour, as a solid and a liquid still leads to water. Oil can still lead to his fire burning in us.

Bible reference ?

emerged01:
Thank you for your great response. So after the death of Jesus Christ,they are now in Heaven?

Yes , you are correct

emerged01:
Jesus said: “No man has ascended into heaven.” (John 3:13) He thus showed that good people who died before him, such as Abraham, Moses, Job, and David, did not go to heaven. (Acts 2:29, 34) Instead, they had the hope of being resurrected to life on earth.—Job 14:13-15.
And it was also written Elijah and Moses appeared before Jesus talking with Him.

Mathew 17 vs 3
Suddenly, Moses and Elijah appeared and began talking with Jesus.

It is the truth that Abraham and other saints did not go to heaven until the death of Jesus Christ.
They were underneath the earth but not in hell.
Bible reference is this :
Luke 16:22-26 KJV
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. [25] But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
[26] And beside all this, between us and you there is a great GULF FIXED: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

hpymoment:
THE WOOD THAT KEEPS THE FIRE BURNING.

Fire could be likened to the drive, passion,zeal, fervency and thirst in service, pursuit or in a life. Here we are talking about the fire of God in a man's life and it means the spirit, word of God, his light and also a whole lots of other meanings in the christian view. It is the fire that stirs man into action even when no one is supervising him/her.
What are these wood that we need in our lives to keep the fire burning in us? (Mk 1:35, Act 2:1-4). The wood can be in form of Prayer, holy spirit etc.
Are u depending on the past glory ( I.e his fire u had in the past)? What about now? My prayer for us is that may God rekindle the fire in us in Jesus name. Amen.
Therefore to change our world, we need not just the fire but the one that is sustained by the wood.
INSTRUCTIONS: THE FIRE MUST BE KEPT BURNING.

Is it wood that keeps the fire burning or the oil?
Matthew 25:1-4 KJV
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. [2] And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. [3] They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: [4] But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.


This oil reoresents the presence of the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that keeps you burning or on fire for God.

mujahid777:
Yet your so-called 'clear bible' has created the most sectarian religion ever to be spawned by mankind
Your last paragraph makes no sense.

TAQIYYAH.
You don't have to deny the truth , which is known world wide , that Islam lacks tolerance.

Not only Satan was referred to as bright morning star. Angels in general are refeered to as morning stars because of their outstanding talent and preeminence. Ref:

Job 38:6-7 KJV
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; [7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Human beings are also referred to as stars , like in:

Genesis 37:9 KJV
And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.

Calling Satan and other angels morning star is like emphasising on the outstanding talent satan and other angels are created with.

Jesus is the Bridght morning Star. A star that Shines Brighty even in the morning.

There is no comparison between Jesus and Satan.

Op , most muslims are told not to question their muhammed and their religious books no matter what.
That is why it baffles me why they read things from the quran and hadith that should make them pray to God for revelations about that religion of theirs but they won't.

Can you believe muhammed compared women with dogs and camels but left his beloved wife Aishat out .

Volume 1, Book 9, Number 493:
Bikhari
Narrated 'Aisha:

The things which annul prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, "You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet."

He could pray while his wife was sleeping btw him and kabaah but his prayers would not be in vain but for other it would be in vain. What an hypocrite.
How can he compare women with dogs. A man cannot annul prayer but only dogs , donkeys and women.

What can such man say concerning Christians and our Bible that should trouble you, he was only inventing lies as people who knew him claimed.

Allah SWT says:

وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَآ ءَايَةً مَّكَانَ ءَايَةٍ ۙ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓا إِنَّمَآ أَنْتَ مُفْتَرٍ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
"And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know."
(QS. An-Nahl: Verse 101)

He would reveal one verse today and change it for another tomorrow. Because he did not trust himself he felt other Prophets of the Bible were like him.

You can copy the whole quran If you like . The truth is that Muhamed with his quran are false.
The quran is corrupted from the biginning as we read in :

Allah SWT says:

وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَآ ءَايَةً مَّكَانَ ءَايَةٍ ۙ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓا إِنَّمَآ أَنْتَ مُفْتَرٍ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
"And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know."
(QS. An-Nahl: Verse 101)

Why was muhammed adding and subtracting from quran. He was a liar and inventor as said above.

How else can we know.
WAS PHARAOH DROWNED OR SAVED WHEN CHASING THE ISRAELITES?

1.. He was saved;

Allah SWT says:

وَجٰوَزْنَا بِبَنِىٓ إِسْرٰٓءِيلَ الْبَحْرَ فَأَتْبَعَهُمْ فِرْعَوْنُ وَجُنُودُهُ ۥ بَغْيًا وَعَدْوًا ۖ حَتّٰىٓ إِذَآ أَدْرَكَهُ الْغَرَقُ قَالَ ءَامَنْتُ أَنَّهُ ۥ لَآ إِلٰهَ إِلَّا الَّذِىٓ ءَامَنَتْ بِهِۦ بَنُوٓا إِسْرٰٓءِيلَ وَأَنَا۠ مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ
"And We took the Children of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his soldiers pursued them in tyranny and enmity until, when drowning overtook him, he said, "I believe that there is no deity except that in whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am of the Muslims.""
(QS. Yunus: Verse 90)
Allah SWT says:

فَالْيَوْمَ نُنَجِّيكَ بِبَدَنِكَ لِتَكُونَ لِمَنْ خَلْفَكَ ءَايَةً ۚ وَإِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنَ النَّاسِ عَنْ ءَايٰتِنَا لَغٰفِلُونَ
"So today We will save you in body that you may be to those who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the people, of Our signs, are heedless"
(QS. Yunus: Verse 92)

He was drowned:
Allah SWT says:

قَالَ لَقَدْ عَلِمْتَ مَآ أَنْزَلَ هٰٓؤُلَآءِ إِلَّا رَبُّ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْأَرْضِ بَصَآئِرَ وَإِنِّى لَأَظُنُّكَ يٰفِرْعَوْنُ مَثْبُورًا
"[Moses] said, "You have already known that none has sent down these [signs] except the Lord of the heavens and the earth as evidence, and indeed I think, O Pharaoh, that you are destroyed.""
(QS. Al-Israa: Verse 102)
Allah SWT says:
فَأَرَادَ أَنْ يَسْتَفِزَّهُمْ مِّنَ الْأَرْضِ فَأَغْرَقْنٰهُ وَمَنْ مَّعَهُ ۥ جَمِيعًا
"So he intended to drive them from the land, but We drowned him and those with him all together."
(QS. Al-Israa: Verse 103)

Can you see your quran?
Mohammed an inventor of lies. He forgot to substitute one of the above for another this time around.

Seun:
No, they didn't. Pontius Pilate did. Some Jews supported the decision, but other Jews opposed it, so you can't blame "the Jews" as a group. The notion that "the Jews killed Jesus" is pure anti-semitism. It is one of the reasons why many Christians helped Hitler to kill millions of Jews.


Jesus was not the Jewish messiah. Most prophecies said to have been fulfilled by Jesus in the New Testament were quoted out of context.


No they didn't. The worst persecutor of early Christians - who is said to have killed Apostle Peter - was Emperor Neo of Rome. Prior to that Christians (and Jews, btw) were disliked for not sacrificing to the gods, because they believed their God was the only true God. They also got into trouble because they were misunderstood to be cannibals, since they came together regularly eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus.

Christianity and Islam are both guilty of twisting the stories and scriptures of an existing religion to provide a foundation for their own religion.

Matthew 27:1-2,13-20,23-25 KJV
When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death: [2] And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor. [13] Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee? [14] And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly. [15] Now at that feast the governor was wont to release unto the people a prisoner, whom they would. [16] And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas. [17] Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ? [18] For he knew that for envy they had delivered him. [19] When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him. [20] But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus. [23] And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified. [24] When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it . [25] Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

The above is clear. Pontiuos Pilat had nothing to dp with the death of Jesus contrary to your claim.

What story were b4 the christian that they twisted. All the Biblical stories are accepted by Christian and firmly believed in it.
The muslims are not Jews , they are the ones twisting the Bible. We make use of the Bible but muslims don't.

The muslim had copy of the Bible with them because there were Jews among them who used to read the Bible . That was where muhammed got all the Biblical stories from:

Volume 8, Book 82, Number 825:
Narrated Abdullah bin Umar:

The jews came to Allah's Apostle and mentioned to him that a man and a lady among them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah's Apostle said to them, "What do you find in the Torah regarding the Rajam?" They replied, "We only disgrace and flog them with stripes." 'Abdullah bin Salam said to them, 'You have told a lie the penalty of Rajam is in the Torah.' They brought the Torah and opened it. One of them put his hand over the verse of the Rajam and read what was before and after it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, "Lift up your hand." Where he lifted it there appeared the verse of the Rajam. So they said, "O Muhammad! He has said the truth, the verse of the Rajam is in it (Torah)." Then Allah's Apostle ordered that the two persons (guilty of illegal sexual intercourse) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned, and I saw the man bending over the woman so as to protect her from the stones.

Stephen was killed by th Jews and their leaders gave Saul written document to kill the Christian wherever he finds them.

Seun:
That’s exactly the same thing that Christians did to Judaism. Christians used the Jewish scriptures to grant legitimacy to their religion, and developed a creative interpretation of it that is not accepted by the Jews, just as Christians don’t accept the Muslim version of the story of Jesus, or their creative interpretation of the verses of the New Testament that refer to the “comforter” coming after Jesus.

The Jews ( judaism ) killed Jesus and tried to oppress the truth about Jesus as the revelation of the Messiah . They killed the apostles but God still prevailed in his work of salvation for those who will believe.

The Jesus of the quran is not Jesus the Messiah. How can a known fact be denied by a non eye witness who came 600 years after the event.
Why should you belief someone like muhammed who had his mind on spreading his own type of religion.

Quran and Islam are false and evil . The fruit of Islam is murder and violence. No sane person who reads the quran will accept it as word of God. Example:

Allah say
"We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allah is over all things competent?"
(QS. Al-Baqara: Verse 106)

Why abrogation or editing ?
Why does muhammed love satanic music?

Volume 2, Book 15, Number 72:
Narrated Aisha:
Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, "Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah's Apostle !" It happened on the 'Id day and Allah's Apostle said, "O Abu Bakr! There is an 'Id for every nation and this is our 'Id."

Some people knew his gabriel was nothing but daemon :

Volume 2, Book 21, Number 225:
Bukhari
Narrated Jundab bin 'Abdullah :
Gabriel did not come to the Prophet (for some time) and so one of the Quraish women said, "His Satan has deserted him." So came the Divine Revelation: "By the forenoon And by the night When it is still! Your Lord (O Muhammad) has neither Forsaken you Nor hated you." (93.1-3)

Muhammed quickly google the surah 93..above that his lord has not forsaken him.
Just like below:

Volume 6, Book 61, Number 512:
Narrated Al-Bara:
There was revealed: 'Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive and fight in the Cause of Allah.' (4.95)
The Prophet said, "Call Zaid for me and let him bring the board, the inkpot and the scapula bone (or the scapula bone and the ink pot)."' Then he said, "Write: 'Not equal are those Believers who sit..", and at that time 'Amr bin Um Maktum, the blind man was sitting behind the Prophet . He said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is your order For me (as regards the above Verse) as I am a blind man?" So, instead of the above Verse, the following Verse was revealed:

'Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah.' (4.95)

From the above muhammed added his own because d blind man complained.So allah did not know this. He was compelling everyone to fight , kill and shedd people's blood.

Even his wife knew that muhammed was always bringing up verses that will suit him:

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 48:
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet for marriage. 'Aisha said, "Doesn't a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?" But when the Verse: "(O Muhammad) You may postpone (the turn of) any of them (your wives) that you please,' (33.51) was revealed, " 'Aisha said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I do not see, but, that your Lord HURRIES in pleasing you.' "

Is it this kind of person that said Jesus was not crucified that christian and other people should believe. Even the Jews that killed him never said or dispute about Jesus death.

He was kissing black stone of idol worshippers, listening to satanic music in his bedroom, was editing the quran and testified to by pepple that he had evil angel visiting him and lastly spends most times sleeping with women morning and night.

Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:
Narrated Qatada:
Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).
A prophet that wanted people to continue in sin.

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 579:
Narrated Abu Dharr:
The Prophet said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), 'Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, '(Yes), even if he committed theft, and even if he Committed illegal sexual intercourse."

Is muhammed the comforter ,the holy Spirit? what is holy about muhammed. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit would not be seen with the naked eyes.

BrainnewsNg:
From what is happening around us in life dear.

Which area do you live that makes that a prevailing thing?

Would you prefer all the girls to go into prostitution first then seek marriage later?

There are so many daemons possessed prostitutes which would never leave them whether they are married or not. These daemons would destoy the generations coming after them. The prostitution will continue to run in that generation with many problems attached.

A habit when mastered is hard to drop.
How can you know a girl who is tired of prostitution .

The percentage of those prostitutes getting husband compared to the church girls or non prostitute is not even up to 1% .

I agree with all your points except the Eleventh point.

You cannot place the Cart before the horse.
It should be all workers and members should respect their pastors and the pastor should respect every member of the church be it worker or not.

akeensbussy:
but the bible says God is not a man that we lie or change.

this is no longer valid but Malachi 3vs10 is valid.

keep deceiving yourself...

We christians are children of God but you muslims are slaves of allah which gives us access to know the mind of our God Almighty.
You should ask and not conclude for christians because we know better and allah agreed to that:

Allah SWT says:

فَإِنْ كُنْتَ فِى شَكٍّ مِّمَّآ أَنْزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ فَسْئَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتٰبَ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ
"So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters."
(QS. Yunus: Verse 94)

Back to the real issue , anything that has to do with shedding of blood is aborted because of the bood of Jesus which was shed for us. Even Jesus made us to understand this when ge told the Pharisees that they should cast d first stone in ,:

John 8:3-11 KJV
And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
[4] They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
[5] Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
[6] This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not .
[7] So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
[8] And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
[9] And they which heard it , being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
[10] When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
[11] She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

That is love. God is love. Jesus himself went against the law of Moses.
We are not picking and choosing but showing love even to the unlovable and the apostate.

Ishakacjokpa:
when would Ican Atswa September 2017 results be out

Go to the career section , there you get more info.

But most of the times , it is always 2 months after exam.which should be towards last week of this month of November or first week in December but not latter so as to prepare students for march Diet.

Martinez19:
As a child of God and believer in the all powerful and lover nature of God, there is something that you know can't happen to you, maybe because of a covenant with god or whatever,such that if it happens you will stop believing in God.

Now I want to ask christians, what is that thing, that if it happens, will make you stop believing in God? Or what will it take you to stop believing in God?

Nothing . Instead of not believing in God again I would think of where I have gone wrong or what sins I commited that has brought such thungs upon me.

@delishpot, you err , in your interpretation of the Bible passage you quoted below:

Romans 1:20-21,29-32 KJV
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. [29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, [31] Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
[32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

because the verse 32 states that sinners like fornicators ,proud people ,murderers etc are worthy of death does not give you and I , even churches right to kill the sinners .

You don't have right to take another person's life because he changed his religion.

Many christians have converted to muslim and are not given death sentence by their people , even if they hate that religion the person converted to.
If you convert to a wrong religion , you will die and go to hell , why then must you kill such a person , he die one day after all.He may even go back to his former religion .Killing him would have deprived him of the mercy.

What verse 32 means is that after leaving this world sinners will die the second death which is eternal.

iamgenius:
For those who wish to become a Muslim and doesn't know how to go about it.

Any human being can embrace Islam. You do not need anyone’s permission. You simply say and believe that there is No God except Allah and that Mohammad is His Messenger. Once you say this sentence, you automatically become Muslim. From there, you start carrying on with the duties of Islam. You must do what Allah and His messenger tell you to, and stay away from what they tell you to. Islam does not tell you to do anything unless it is good for you. It also does not tell you to stay away from anything unless it is bad for you.

You will notice the change in the way you look at things, the minute you become a Muslim. You will feel more relieved and secure only to think that you are fulfilling the orders of Allah.

Doing this, you will clearly see the benefits of it for yourself and for mankind. You can embrace Islam in any Islamic center. This is only a formality. Once you say and believe in the Oneness of Allah and in the message of his Prophet Mohammad, then you are a Muslim.

To become a Muslim, simply say the following words:

Ash hadu alla ilaha illa Allah, wa ash hadu anna Mohammadan abduhu wa rasuluhu.

This means I testify and witness that there is no god worthy of being worshipped other than Allah and that Mohammad is his Messenger. You must say it and believe in it.

Voluntarily they can embrace Islam but cannot voluntarily leave it for another religion just the way they came in.
If they tried to or even think about it ,they will be killed .
What a trap.

Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:
Narrated 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In retaliation for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

They need to be told, also ,where they will go after death b4 judgement day, which maybe 2994 years or more:

Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.'

There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time they will come out of the Fire as mere skeletons. The Water of ......
Op , I am just helping you to remind them of how easy it is to become a muslim.

Lest I forget, they may also die while stoning the devil in Mina like the 2015 stampede tragedy where more than 3000 died.
The devil is wicked for retaliating .

It is a spiritual destination and very real or more real than the physical realm.


Revelation 4:1-11 KJV
After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. [2] And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. [3] And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. [4] And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. [5] And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. [6] And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. [7] And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. [8] And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him ; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. [9] And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, [10] The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, [11] Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

ConcernedRusian:
The difference is that Muslims actually do this in reality, whereas Christians don't, and haven't since the Middle Ages. In fact, there is more to Christianity than just the Bible, and boiling Christian views on apostacy to the Old Testament is just ignorance, and I'm an atheist saying this. I guess that a literalist slave Muslim would never understand.

Out of the book and into real life, what do we observe Shittu? Let's compare Christian to Muslim nations.

How many Christian or historically Christian countries on earth right now give the death sentence for leaving Christianity? ZERO.
Not even the most conservative of Christian countries, like Armenia, Georgia, Greece or Russia have a DEATH SENTENCE, letalone any other kind of criminal sentence, for leaving Christianity.

Now look at the modern day Muslim countries. Nearly every single one makes Apostacy jailable or a death sentence, and that's if you're lucky and the angry Muslim hardliners don't form a literal lynch mob with pitchforks and kill you themselves, as has happened in Egypt, Pakistan, Iraq, etc.
You can't even blame it on the poor and uneducated. Islamic religious zealotry cuts right through class divides in Muslim countries - many ISIS recruits and people who join Salafist movements in Bangladesh and Indonesia are from middle-class households. It's the Muslim religion and the culture that is backwards.

Also, are you a sockpuppet of OmarIbnShittu? You both have "shittu" in your name.

Well said.
These people are evil . Most of them are aware of all those evil done by muslims globally but are not bothered. They are not bothered but they will very shortly when the table will turn against them.

The religion is full of violence and lacks love for humanity.

shittufarukumar:
trust me I would understand that is if there is a point in it

How will trust a muslim. Lying is part of your religion which is known as Taqiyyah ( lying to defend Islam ) .

Jesus told the Pharisees :

John 8:44 KJV
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Every liar is a child of the devil.

The devil is the father of all liars.

When you see the fact you will not accept it because of Taqiyyah doctrine of Islam which you are practising.

shittufarukumar:
the apostation was precribed too during the time of sir u don't need to post almost 100 words to make points

With many words you don't understand how would you with few words.

shittufarukumar:
Deuteronomy(13:6-10)
6 “If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend who is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which thou hast not known, thou nor thy fathers

7 (namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth),

8 thou shalt not consent unto him nor hearken unto him, neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him;

9 but thou shalt surely kill him. Thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die, because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

What you quoted is true but no longer applicable.

It was part of laws God gave to the Israelites to keep them unpoluted by the idol worshippers around them. This was necessary to keep them holy pending the coming of the Lord Jesus or the Messiah.

God hates idol worshiping because it is directly giving glory to Satan and his falling angels.

Since it was meant to keep them pure for the coming of the Lord , and when Jesus came he gave us a higher standard of laws of living .No need to kill anyone again, Jesus has paid the price with his blood.

Matthew 5:38-39,43-48 KJV
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39] But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [43] Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
[45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
[46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
[47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others ? do not even the publicans so?
[48] Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

We christian are aware and we know why those laws were given that is why we don't practice apostasy again.

But for the muslims, it a diff thing entirely. The Law in the Bible says if they turn aside to worship idols. But the Islam and Quran claim we worship the same God. If that be the case why must they kill anyone who leaves Islam for Christianity since they claim we worship the same God.

Op, you should have asked why Christians don't practice apostasy , despite being written in the Bible ?

What will religion look like if christians kill their family members crossing to Islam and other religions as Islam is doing right now. It would make many to hate religion or Christianity and Islam .But right now it is not the case. That is why people view Islam alone as the worst religion and religion spread by sword and for terrorists , since every muslim wants to be like muhammed.

It is the practice of Taqiyyah to say Islam is a religion of peace.

I hope the Op and other musims can learn from this .We have it in our Law but don't practice it because Christ has come to fulfil the purpose of that Law.

shittufarukumar:
it's like What about the kissing of the cross or statue of mary mother of christ

That is idolatery as well for the christians that do it. It is not in the Bible to kiss cross or statutes.

It is also idolatery to have the pictures of mary or Jesus in your church and bow to them.

It is written :
Exodus 20:4-6 KJV
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
[5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[6] And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

shittufarukumar:
it's like What about the kissing of the cross or statue of mary mother of christ

That is idolatery as well.

branhampaul:
Your an Idiot...

Psalm 109:17-19 KJV
As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.
[18] As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.
[19] Let it be unto him as the garment which covereth him, and for a girdle wherewith he is girded continually.

shittufarukumar:
Oh i see its the kabaah that is ur problem

There is nothing inside it(kaabak). Makkah is an open city u go there for u to confirm what's in the kaabah

u no knw why there so much regard for d buiding
1 it's the qibla
2 it's Signifies unity

Okay. It may be so. What about the kissing of the black stone ;

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675:

Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:

"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' 'Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 710:

Narrated 'Asim:

I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158)

Why doing the things idol worshippers were known for. They used to go round the kabaah , they used to kiss or worship the black stone and used to Tawaf , used to throw stone at Satan etc.?

Why did muhammed say this?

Volume 2, Book 15, Number 72:

Narrated Aisha:

Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, "Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah's Apostle !" It happened on the 'Id day and Allah's Apostle said, "O Abu Bakr! There is an 'Id for every nation and this is our 'Id."

Why this accusation?

Volume 2, Book 21, Number 225:

Narrated Jundab bin 'Abdullah :

Gabriel did not come to the Prophet (for some time) and so one of the Quraish women said, "His Satan has deserted him." So came the Divine Revelation: "By the forenoon And by the night When it is still! Your Lord (O Muhammad) has neither Forsaken you Nor hated you." (93.1-3)

Our God is a merciful God. If you are the owner of a property you will cherish it and preserve it . But the thief would waste it and destroy it , since he did not work for it.

When 2 women were fighting over the ownership of a baby, because one of them had mistakinly killed her own son , Solomon said let us kill the only one that is alive , the woman who was not the real mother agreed but the true mother objected and said " if you are going to kill that child give it to her" . Solomon asked the child to be given to the one who did not want the child dead.

Just like the above, the true God will not issue a decree of death to the woman that changed to Islam because of the love the Father has for her. She might come back to her senses and change to christian.

If she was a muslim and changed to a christian, the Islam position is to kill her , why ? because allah does not know what it takes to create a man. He is a wicked god . He does not have compassion for human beings but hatred.

God said:
Romans 6:20-23 KJV
For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
[21] What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
[22] But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
[23] For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.