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shittufarukumar:
this man!!!
Is it just me or ur IQ is depleting every second of day
Because every time you post a comment you post an entirely different verse from d quran


I was expecting u to quote where Allah said I live in Kaabah on earth and unfortunately for u u couldnt

Do you think the devil will inform of his identity? No . It is by their fruit you shall know them.
Allah or Muhammad will not tell you . When there were 360 idols in the Kabaah , the ancestors of muhammed used to circumvent the kabaah because their idols were inside. Why then should muhammed ask muslims to continue the same ritual of going round the kabaah again if there is nothing like idol inside of it. Why so much regard for a mere building , even clothing it .Muslims think.

The quran verses I quoted were in alignment with the topic of the thread. Op stated that evey one is born as a muslim . How is it wrong to show him that the quran says Muhammed , Moses, Egyptians Abraham and Adam were the first muslims when they were diff people ?

You don't need to get angry over that revelation , just take your time and read the Surahs and hadiths after then , pray to God concerning the true religion that would not take you to hell.

Allah is not the Creator of anything. Can't you see his house (Kabaah) in mecca , clothed with black silk ?
He resides in there.

Muhammed can never be called a child of God according to Bible standard , talkless of Prophet. He was not a Prophet of God but Prophet of allah god of his ancestor , who were KNOWN Idol worshippers. He was a satanic Prophet.

Muhammed and his gangs had the copy of the Bible with them.He copied all those stories from the Bible.

Quran is full of lies .
WHO WAS THE FIRST MUSLIM?
Answer from Quran and allah:

Abraham...

وَإِذْ يَرْفَعُ إِبْرٰهِـۧمُ الْقَوَاعِدَ مِنَ الْبَيْتِ وَإِسْمٰعِيلُ رَبَّنَا تَقَبَّلْ مِنَّآ ۖ إِنَّكَ أَنْتَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ
"And [mention] when Abraham was raising the foundations of the House and [with him] Ishmael, [saying], "Our Lord, accept [this] from us. Indeed You are the Hearing, the Knowing."
(QS. Al-Baqara: Verse 127)

Some Egyptians.....
Allah SWT says:

قَالَ ءَامَنْتُمْ لَهُ ۥ قَبْلَ أَنْ ءَاذَنَ لَكُمْ ۖ إِنَّهُ ۥ لَكَبِيرُكُمُ الَّذِى عَلَّمَكُمُ السِّحْرَ فَلَسَوْفَ تَعْلَمُونَ ۚ لَأُقَطِّعَنَّ أَيْدِيَكُمْ وَأَرْجُلَكُمْ مِّنْ خِلٰفٍ وَلَأُصَلِّبَنَّكُمْ أَجْمَعِينَ
"[Pharaoh] said, "You believed Moses before I gave you permission. Indeed, he is your leader who has taught you magic, but you are going to know. I will surely cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and I will surely crucify you all.""
قَالُوا لَا ضَيْرَ ۖ إِنَّآ إِلٰى رَبِّنَا مُنْقَلِبُونَ
"They said, "No harm. Indeed, to our Lord we will return."
إِنَّا نَطْمَعُ أَنْ يَغْفِرَ لَنَا رَبُّنَا خَطٰيٰنَآ أَنْ كُنَّآ أَوَّلَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ
"Indeed, we aspire that our Lord will forgive us our sins because we were the first of the believers.""
(QS. Ash-Shu'araa: Verse 49- 51)

Moses...

وَلَمَّا جَآءَ مُوسٰى لِمِيقٰتِنَا وَكَلَّمَهُ ۥ رَبُّهُ ۥ قَالَ رَبِّ أَرِنِىٓ أَنْظُرْ إِلَيْكَ ۚ قَالَ لَنْ تَرٰىنِى وَلٰكِنِ انْظُرْ إِلَى الْجَبَلِ فَإِنِ اسْتَقَرَّ مَكَانَهُ ۥ فَسَوْفَ تَرٰىنِى ۚ فَلَمَّا تَجَلّٰى رَبُّهُ ۥ لِلْجَبَلِ جَعَلَهُ ۥ دَكًّا وَخَرَّ مُوسٰى صَعِقًا ۚ فَلَمَّآ أَفَاقَ قَالَ سُبْحٰنَكَ تُبْتُ إِلَيْكَ وَأَنَا۠ أَوَّلُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ
"And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said, "My Lord, show me [Yourself] that I may look at You." [Allah] said, "You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it should remain in place, then you will see Me." But when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He rendered it level, and Moses fell unconscious. And when he awoke, he said, "Exalted are You! I have repented to You, and I am the first of the believers.""
(QS. Al-A'raaf: Verse 143)

Muhammed..

قُلْ أَغَيْرَ اللَّهِ أَتَّخِذُ وَلِيًّا فَاطِرِ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَهُوَ يُطْعِمُ وَلَا يُطْعَمُ ۗ قُلْ إِنِّىٓ أُمِرْتُ أَنْ أَكُونَ أَوَّلَ مَنْ أَسْلَمَ ۖ وَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ
"Say, "Is it other than Allah I should take as a protector, Creator of the heavens and the earth, while it is He who feeds and is not fed?" Say, [O Muhammad], "Indeed, I have been commanded to be the first [among you] who submit [to Allah] and [was commanded], 'Do not ever be of the polytheists.' ""
(QS. Al-An'aam: Verse 14)
قُلْ إِنَّ صَلَاتِى وَنُسُكِى وَمَحْيَاىَ وَمَمَاتِى لِلَّهِ رَبِّ الْعٰلَمِينَ
"Say, "Indeed, my prayer, my rites of sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allah, Lord of the worlds."
(QS. Al-An'aam: Verse 162)
Allah SWT says:
لَا شَرِيكَ لَهُ ۥ ۖ وَبِذٰلِكَ أُمِرْتُ وَأَنَا۠ أَوَّلُ الْمُسْلِمِينَ
"No partner has He. And this I have been commanded, and I am the first [among you] of the Muslims.""
(QS. Al-An'aam: Verse 163)

No wonder it was said by those who knew him that he was an inventor of lies:
Allah SWT says:

وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَآ ءَايَةً مَّكَانَ ءَايَةٍ ۙ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓا إِنَّمَآ أَنْتَ مُفْتَرٍ ۚ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ
"And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know."
(QS. An-Nahl: Verse 101)

He was substituting one verse for another because allah was making mistakes , since he is a fake god and making muhammed a false Prophet.

I was not created by allah that lives in a house built by men and who was displaced from his Kabaah for about 3,000 years b4 getting his house back from the other 360 gods like him.
He doesn't have power to make men to server him willingly until muhamed came and started slaughtering people for him.
No miracle , no signs no wonders to show that would make people believe his is god.

@Rashduct4luv, you said you are tired of the Bible stories etc .
If you are not an hypocrite, you should have developed stroke or hypertension because of the stories of Quran,hadiths and life style of Muhammed.

If God had killed Lot , your type or ,even you , will complain. Lot chose to live in a cave not because God ordered him to. He was afraid of the nearby cities and also decided not to go back to Abraham and be respectful to him so as to live peacefully with him . God did not ask the daughters to get their father drunk. It was part of the character polution they inherited or copied when living in Sodom that got hold of them.

Ezra account. Let read in context :

Nehemiah 8:4-8 KJV
And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, and Meshullam. [5] And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people and when he opened it, all the people stood up: [6] And Ezra blessed the Lord , the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the Lord with their faces to the ground. [7] Also Jeshua, and Bani, and Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodijah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, and the Levites, caused the people to understand the law: and the people stood in their place. [8] So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.

Ezra stood up to read the books of the Lord to the Israelites by by climbing the pulpit which was made for THAT PURPOSE and beside him were 6 elders to the right and 7 elders to the left. When he stood up to read the books , he started by praising the Lord and the people stood up bow their heads ( not knees ) with their faces towards the ground .....

The above did not say they prayed like the muslim. They were standing and their faces were to the ground. For the muslims it is their heads that hits the groung, and in kneeling position not when standing.

Also they were not about to pray but to listen to the words of God that Ezra was going to read. They did not do ablution neither were they holding anything in their hands for counting.

The Idol worshippers in Nigeria do bow their knees and hit their heads on the ground . Are they muslims too.
Most Idol worshippers do bow down with their heads on the ground while facing their gods or idols . They are the same with Muslims.

Don't look for approval of Islam in the Bible , you can't get it there . The only and best places are in the hadiths and Quran. There , you will discover that the pre Islam arabians pagans used to worshipped god allah and they used to pray towards mecca 7 times a day; making pilgmage to mecca; running around the temple of the moon god allah; kissing the black stone ; killing animals in sacrifice to the moon god; they used to throw stones at the devil; fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; they used to Tawaf etc.
These were incorporated into Islam and the modern day muslims practice these very rituals.
You muslims have been innocently tricked to worship the same false god that the pre Islamic pagan worshippers used to worshipped.

Nigeria will never go the way of Turkey , in Jesus name.

All we Christians need to do is to pray.

My daily prayer points are :

Satanic powers planning to kill Christians in this nation Nigeria, in order to carryout Islamic agenda , die by fire , in Jesus name.

He that digs a pit shall fall into it , therefore , evil plans for Christians in Nigeria , backfire , in Jesus name.

He that kills by sword shall die by sword, therefore, weapons of destructions for churches and Christians in this nation , kill your buyers , in Jesus name.

Agenda of God for Nigeria , manifest by fire , in Jesus name.

Power that did not create the world and Nigeria but wants to rule Nigeria, what are your waiting for, collide with the Rock of Ages and die, in Jesus name.

Religious wars planned by devils to drink innocent blood in Nigeria , scatter unto desolation in Jesus name.

There is a freedom of religion in Nigerian constitution , there4 wicked powers that wants to go against our constitution , destroy yourself , in Jesus name.

Thou God that created the heavens and the earth ,if you are the God of the Christians , fight for us , in Jesus name.

Satanic religion serving the moon god , your agenda over Nigeria shall not prosper , there4, be destroyed by fire , in Jesus name.

Powers planning day and night against Christians in Nigeria , sleep and not wake up , in Jesus name.

Any religion that will not take people to heaven , you will not prosper in Nigeria , in Jesus name.

The gate of hell shall not prevail over Christianity in Nigeria, in Jesus name.

Thou power of peace and progress , overshadow Nigeria , in Jesus name.

Nigeria , you shall prosper and not scatter , in Jesus name.

Leaders with fear of God , what are you waiting for , begin to rule Nigeria , in Jesus name.

Powers that wants people of Nigeria to run out of Nigeria to seek refuge because of war , die , in Jesus name.

SO SHALL IT BE IN JESUS NAME. AMEN AMEN AMEN.


Remember the word of God :

2 Corinthians 10:3-5 KJV
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
[5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.

All we need to do as christian is to pray.Do not relent in prayer, Islam does not preach to spread it religion. They kill whoever refuses to accept their religion , it is a religion of VIOLENCE.

Most of them are aware while some dont believe . Those that are aware would not might to lie to the end to carry out the deeds of muhammed.

Lying in Islam is acceptable , they call it TAQIYYAH.

AS WE HAVE THE LIVING GOD ON OUR SIDE , THE DEVIL SHALL FAIL WITH HIS AGENTS OF WAR.

You asked why God gave the Israelites the old testament and the christians the new testament.

You are wrong. No christian would tell you that the new testament is for him and old for the Israelites.

There is no church were you will see them making use of only the new or old testament. They are two in one. You cannot do without the new or old testament as a child of God. The two are related and jointly together.

I would like to here your reply why you assumed that @ Rashduct4luv

Rashduct4luv:
This question you are asking is similar to "why did God gave the Jews the Old testament and later gave the Christians the new testament? Shouldn't He had given the New Testament to Moses straight forward...i guess u never saw this coming.

Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa salam was the last Prophet and Messenger of Allah while Adam was the first Prophet, Noah was the first Prophet & Messenger. All of them brought the worship of one God only to their followers not trinity!

To cap it all, there are evidences that Qur'an was compiled as a Book by the foremost companion of the Prophet, Abu Bakr, though it was formerly on patchment, leaves, etc before that. Also a lot of the companions memorised it.

The Book of Mattew, Mark, Luke and John can not pass through this test as it was clearly not written by Jesus. No record of any written Gospel during the time of Jesus. These Books can best be called an hearsay account as Luke says below:

Luke 1:1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[a] among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.

You qouted something but did not read the contents.

Did you not read in that verse 2 that " Even as they delivered them unto us , WHICH FROM THE BIGINNING WERE EYEWITNESSES , AND MINISTER OF THE WORD.

Who were the ministers of the word and eyewitnesses? Were they not the apostles.

Mathew was a desciple of Jesus he was among the twelve disciples , he was a tax collector when Jesus called him.

Matthew 9:9 KJV
And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him.

Mark was a close friend of Paul and Barnabas .

Luke was also a missionary conmpanion of Paul.

John. John and his brother James used to follow John the Batist until Jesus called them to follow him. John ,Peter and James were close to Jesus.

For a matter to be established in court as right or wrong there must be at least two witnesses. Here we have even 4 witnesses. Even Bible says in :

Deuteronomy 19:15 KJV
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

How ignorant can anyone be to believe the account of a non eye witness living in a different country and 600 years after the account to that of a witness present at the venue of the account in the same time period.

What you quoted says EYEWITNESSES. So , someone who is not biase would choose that of Jesus apostles. Moreover ,muhammed had a religious motives.
He did and said that to elevate himself. He bad mouthed the true religion to put forward his religion. That was why he mentioned names of Prophets in the Bible who were all Israelites except him .
But the mode of worship and the name of the god are different from that of Prophets of the Bible but the same with the idol worshpers of arabs even till today.

How can you believe someone who could not differentiate btw God's message and Satanic message

Why was the first quran compiled by Abu bakr destroyed by the caliphs .

Read this , and I will continue with why quran was destroyed .

Rashduct4luv:
Why do you need to always derail threads? And if one gives u the answers to this, you still go to another thread to ask the same questions!

Why not create a thread instead of messing up others!

I have never derailed any thread. If I have the Op would have cautioned me.

The point I was making is that because muhammed said in quran that the Bible was corrupted , most muslims believe it as so without actually asking themselves which part was corrupt.

Allah could have just given muhammed the uplifted part rather than creating something totally diff from the Bible .

I am now saying must you believe such allegations when there is no hand of divinity in the life of Muhammed .

If a company comes today to Nigeria and says that the product " Cocacola " we have in nigeria is a fake and the company starts producing another soft drink , black like coke, but purges people , you should know that the company only bad mouth the Cocacola to sell its own fake product. Simple. That was what muhammed did.

I mentioned Khaula and marriage of muhammed to zaid to inform you that when you read things like that it should create in you an inqusitive mind , then , you read your quran and hadith to get more facts.

That is my point of view.

@lovingjehovah, I am not contradicting myself.

You just want to accept what your doctrines says as final. But that is left to you.

Jesus said about himself in the Bible that he is Almighty as his Father is Almighty.

Revelation 1:7-12 KJV
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
[8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
[9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
[10] I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
[11] Saying, I am Alpha and Omega,......

Alpha and Omega is the same thing as saying "Almighty" .

I did not write the Bible. Stop accusing people of heresy because you are the culprit. Saying Jesus is Michael is not only heresy but a sin. Their names are diff. and no where it is written that Jesus is an angel. Jesus created the angels himself.

If we human beings are a little lower than the angels as per ,

Psalm 8:4-5 KJV
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? [5] For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour

are you then saying we are a little lower than Jesus Christ ? An archangel is still an angel.


For you to know that Michael is not Jesus Christ:

Jude 1:9 KJV
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

If Michael were Jesus , he would have rebuked Satan directly, not by saying " the Lord rebuke thee ". It would have been "I rebuke you Satan".

Jesus rebuked Satan by saying :

" Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men". Matthew 16:23

He didn't say " the lord said get thee behind me Satan" ...

That is simple.

iamgenius:
Why don't you let Jesus talk for himself, can the Bible talk. Stop saying the Bible says the Bible sag.

A CHRISTIAN IS THE INE THAT FOLLOWS THE TEACHING OF PAUL (THE CORRUPTER)

Muhammed was a false prophet and allah is a daemon or idol.

Before you believe something you should first test its originality.
Before taking a friend you need to know somethings about such a friend. If you ignorantly befriend a thief , the law will not spear you when that friend is caught with stolen items in his possession while walking with you.
People arround such a person will also call him a thief even though he has stolen nothing . This is logical because they would want to know what attracts him to a thief , if he , himself , is not a thief or potential thief.


What are the things that attracts you to Islam and belief in Muhammed?

I belief Jesus Christ and his disciples ,including Paul, for many reasons. Paul had this to say:

1 Corinthians 4:10-12 KJV
We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised. [11] Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; [12] And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:

Mind you , original from God that is currupt is better or 100% better off than original from Satan that is not corrupt.

modash:
King James version 4:23
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.


The gospel Jesus himself was preaching was the injil

Here is why you need to read the quran and hadiths for yourself . That is when you can have a clear mind of your religion :

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 48:

Narrated Hisham's father:

Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet for marriage. 'Aisha said, "Doesn't a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?" But when the Verse: "(O Muhammad) You may postpone (the turn of) any of them (your wives) that you please,' (33.51) was revealed, " 'Aisha said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I do not see, but, that your Lord HURRIES in PLEASING you.' "

The above simply means muhamed used to google revelations to please his actions . Just like when he took his adopted son's wْife.

"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

It is expected of a good person , talkless of Prophet, to unite a marriage where there is a dispute .

How can you believe such a person is a Prophet. No signs and wonders like the Prophets of the Bible. Moses said:

Exodus 4:1-9 KJV
And Moses answered and said, But, behold, they will not believe me, nor hearken unto my voice: for they will say, The Lord hath not appeared unto thee. [2] And the Lord said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod. [3] And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. [4] And the Lord said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand: [5] That they may believe that the Lord God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee. [6] And the Lord said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow. [7] And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh. [8] And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign. [9] And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour it upon the dry land : and the water which thou takest out of the river shall become blood upon the dry land .

God is a God of signs , wonders and miracles. Allah and muhammed could not show signs and miracles to make people believe without killings of innocent souls . That is why there is so much violence terrorism in most muslim nations. Muha started it all.

Jesus follwers got people converted by signs and wongers:

Acts 19:10-12 KJV
And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks. [11] And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: [12] So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

Allah is not your Creator. Pls pray and ask God ,your Creator , if it is true that allah is your a true God.

UmarIbnShittu:
Ismaeel(AS)-Ishmeal was originated from Saudi arabia
Lûth(AS)-Lot was originated from Iraq

Shoaib(AS)-jethro was originated from syria

Sir

Ishmael was not a prophet neither was Lot . Jethro was a priest and not a prophet:

Exodus 3:1 KJV
Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, ......

A prophet is someone who delivers messages from God to the people.That is, he is someone who utters divinely inspired revelations.

Biblically , Lot was not a prophet because there is no record of any message he received from God for the people arround him as at then.

Ishmael was not a prophet and no record of any divine message he received as well. The fact that he was born by Abraham does not make him a prophet. Abraham had many other children aside from Ishmael and Isaac , can we refer to them as prophets too?

Is there any where in the quran where the messages of God from Ishmael was mentioned?

UmarIbnShittu:
Yes they were arab prophets

Which of them were arab prophets?

joshnes:
I think, there is a big confusion as to who Jesus was on earth and His status in heaven. Here on earth, He was a man, who had relinquished his equality with God and made Himself of no reputation (Phil 2:5-11). For someone to make Himself of no reputation, He must first have a reputation. Reputation as what? As God. He is said to be in the form of God, He was equal with God, but He set that aside to become the ultimate sacrifice. In John 10:30, Jesus made it clear, that there is no difference between Him & His Father. The big problem occurs when we try to separate Jesus from God, they are one and the same.

What do you mean by " they are one and the same"?

Op, you are right to say Jesus is God but wrong to equate him with his Father Jehovah God.

You are also wrong to say the word "God" means a being that was not created".

We human beings were created by God, and God still calls us gods.

Idols/ daemons that some human beings worship are referred to as gods. God calls them gods.

The word God is a title . Jesus Christ is not an ordinary being like the angels, daemons or human beings. He created the angels,demons , humans and the universe together with his Father. He himself was created by God the Father. The bible ref. is this:


Proverbs 8:22-36 KJV
The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
[23] I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
[24] When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
[25] Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26] While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
[27] When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
[28] When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
[29] When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
[30] Then I was by him, as one brought up with him : and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
[31] Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
[32] Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
[33] Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
[34] Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
[35] For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord .
[36] But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

That is why the Bible says in :

John 1:1-4 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Jesus worths to be called Almighty God by any mouth or any creation because he is the creator. But God the Father is God to Jesus Christ as read in:

Revelation 3:12,21 KJV
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name..........
[21] To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


Everything we need is in the Bible. We shuold be very careful to discard or term verses in the Bible as errors.

What is most important is our heaven , when we get there we can ask questions as much as we want in love and peace.

UmarIbnShittu:
it means there no more xtians in Nigeria because most of.the xtian eXibit atleast three out those characters

You are right to an extent. In Nigeria there might not be more than 10, 000 true christians. But it is not a surprise since our Lord Jesus had said in :

Matthew 7:13-14 KJV
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go in thereat: [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.

That narrow road does not allow fornication , adultety ,idolatry , covetiousness, murdering , hatred etc. That is why it is narrow. Those sins are evil loads .

Heaven is where a Holy God dwells with holy angels , it does not tolerate sins.

Revelation 22:11-15 KJV
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
[12] And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
[13] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

lovingJehovah:
You see in your own explanation you seem to be sinning by adding to the scriptures. Did the verse mention angel Gabriel? No, but you did. Could you clear that out so as to be at peace with God's holy spirit?
I will not object if you call yourself a god because the Bible says that there are many gods and even the belly is referred to as a god in the Bible verse here; Philippians 3:19.
If Jesus is going to descend with the voice of the Archangel, will he pluck out the throat of the archangel? why is the voice of the archangel synonymous with the trumpet of God?
I totally agree with you when you referred to Jehovah as the Almighty God and father of Jesus. And that translates to us as well, as we have become sons to him in union with Christ Jesus as the head of the congregation. Jesus clearly said that in John 20:17.
Jehovah's witnesses vividly understand and believe that Jesus is a mighty God as written in Isaiah 9:6 but we love to be clear on the fact that he was never referred to as the ALMIGHTY GOD or SOVEREIGN GOD. The book of 1 Corinthians 8:6 cannot be any more detailed when it said that Jesus is our lord while Jehovah is our God.
I feel delighted that you are able to distinguish between the two persons Jehovah and Jesus and to understand that the two are not equal. That is what the Bible teaches and you are right.
The doctrine of the Trinity is the heretic veil walling the truth from being perceived for what it really is.
I totally agree with the scripture you read in Revelation chapter 3.


here is a question,

You should be careful with this your doctrine.
If Jesus is coming down with ----1 voice of an archangel and 2 ----- trumpet of God. Why do choose to call him an archangel only and not trumpet of God as well?


Jesus said I and my Father are one. Are you comparing God with an angel then?

Jesus is GOD.
John 1:1-4 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. [4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.


Revelation 1:8,11 KJV
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. [11] Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven .....

From the above, Jesus was called ,Word of God, the Alpha and Omega and the Almighty.

As per:
1 Corinthians 8:6 KJV
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

The above simply means that God is the Father of Jesus and Jesus created all things with his Father. It means God is greater than Jesus Christ our Lord. That does not mean Jesus is not God Almighty. The word lord was used in the old testament as God.

No one can see God and live. How come Moses saw God and also could not see God. The answer is , he saw Jesus God the Son, but only saw the back of God the Father. It was not a mistake.

Exodus 24:10-12 KJV
And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. [11] And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink. [12] And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

Exodus 33:11,21,23 KJV
And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle. ..................
[21] And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: [23] And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

God and Lord were used synonymously in the old testament.

Jesus Christ is not an angel. He created angel Gabriel and other angels .

UmarIbnShittu:
A daughter of an active missionary is not a true xtian?
Den who is now a true xtian. You?
I think you are loosing it sir‎
I can still remember her statement when enlightened her about the punishment attached to it

Going to church , bearing christian name or believing in Jesus are not what make one a true christian. A true christian is someone who has accepted Jesus christ as his Lord and saviour and confessed his sins to God , forsakes them and return no more to those sins. Jesus said in :

Matthew 7:21-23 KJV
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work INEQUITY.

A fake Christian will exhibits these traits:

Galatians 5:19-24 KJV
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these ; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

A true christian is he who is lead by the spirit of God and manifests the following characters:

[22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[24] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

The fact that she calls herself a christian does not mean she is one. Anyone is free to call himself or herself whatever he/she likes , what is important is what God calls you.

UmarIbnShittu:
same reason y christian ladies parade around muslim MEN they no they allow us rest I just finish driving one away. U knw y because it haram and never ready to 100 strokes of horse whip all because of a dirty sluty xtian bitch

Those girls who parade around you are not true christians because it is forbidden in our Bible to commit fornication.

There are many muslim girls who parade around christian boys and men but according to your hadith , it is not haram or a ram. Here is proof:

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 48:
Sahih Bukhari
Narrated Hisham's father:

Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet for marriage. 'Aisha said, "Doesn't a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?" But when the Verse: "(O Muhammad) You may postpone (the turn of) any of them (your wives) that you please,' (33.51) was revealed, " 'Aisha said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in pleasing you.' "

Khaula Hakim was a girl who paraded herself around muhammed and muhammed quickly google surah 33:51 so as to have sex with her. For this act Aishat was angry and wondered what a shameless girl Khaula was and why there was such sudden revelation from allah.

Point is , muslims girls are allowed or permitted to flirt about with men since Allah allowed it for Khaula Hakim. For christian girls , even though they do it , the Bible forbides it .

lovingJehovah:
Can you explain why Jesus would have to impersonate the voice of the archangel? Does the voice of the archangel have more power than that of Jesus?
is Jesus God to you? Can you tell me If that is what 1 Timothy 2:5; 1 Corinthians 8:6 say?
when Jesus cried out, "My God" in John 20:17 was he deceiving us?
If your God has another God that he calls his own God and our God would you not be anxious to know about the God of your God?

Jesus is not going to impersonate the voice of an archangel. What that verse means is that :

1....Jesus will descend and be accompanied by angel Gebriel .
Check for yourself , it is also written " with the trum of God".
Does that make Jesus the TRUMPET OF GOD? No.

It simply means when Jesus will descend , he will have angel Gabriel in his company shouting and the trumpet of God shall be blown.

1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

2....God is a title This title is also applicable to we humans as per : Exodus 7:1 KJV
And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
How much more Jesus our Creator. He as the only begotten Son of God is worthy to be called God.
1Tim2:5 means God Almighty Jehovah is God to our Lord Jesus. Jehovah is Father of our Lord Jesus and also God to him. Just as God is our God and we are also gods.

Jesus says in :

Revelation 3:10-12,20-22 KJV
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
[11] Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
[12] Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name...........
[20] Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
[21] To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
[22] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

We have one God. Father of our Lord Jesus Christ ,who was with God from the beginning and whose image we were created:

Genesis 1:26 KJV
And God said, Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

An archangel is the chief angel or senior angel.
This means he is still an angel.
Michael is Michael. His name is not Jesus. Angels are not gods. Jesus Christ is God . It is only God that worths being worshipped. It is a sin to worship angels. As below:


Revelation 19:10 KJV
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.


But for Jesus , it is not a sin to worship him:

Philippians 2:9-10 KJV
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: [10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;


Revelation 1:13-17 KJV
And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. [14] His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were ........[17] And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:


Revelation 5:8-9 KJV
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. [9] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;


Michael is an angel .

iamgenius:
Should I say you are under a curse? Well, I won't say that. But, the Hadith you quoted didn't say the Prophet (peace be upon him) will stay in hell pending the judgement day. Abi, your brain is working anticlockwisely.

You don't need to restrain youself from cursing me. Who can curse whom God has blessed?

Go again and read the hadith properly. Muhammed said he would be the first to cross the bridge. Why does he need a bridge if he is on the right side?

UmarIbnShittu:
“When Allah knows you’re ready for the responsibility of commitment, He’ll reveal the right person under the right circumstances. Wait patiently.

Don’t waste your time searching and wishing. Grow and be ready, you’ll see Allah will give you a love story far better than you could ever dream of.”

The love story of you and your Jannah partner, Insha'Allah.

May Allah SWT bless everyone with the right Jannah partner Ameen.‎

Are you reading what people send to you or your quran and hadith?

Don't let people tell you about Islam, read the quran and hadith, that is when you can know what Islam is.

You have just been told a fact by Dr Zakir Naik that you should not be calling God but allah. If allah is God why can't you sau God.

Also , the fake story of heaven and hell you shared cannot lead you to heaven but give you fake hope. Your muhammed told you that he is going to hell like other muslims pending the judgement day. Read for yourself:

Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.'

There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time they will come out of the Fire as mere skeletons. The Water of Life will be poured on them and as a result they will grow like the seeds growing on the bank of flowing water. Then when Allah had finished from the Judgments amongst his creations, one man will be left between Hell and Paradise and he will be the last man from the people of Hell to enter paradise. He will be facing Hell, and ...

If the above was the word of Muhammad , you need to pray b4 arguing . That is the only way to know the truth.

The truth is bitter. That is their only defence .
They are afraid because they know there are so many shameful things about Islam.
They fail to realize that there is no end to sufferings in hell.

fumisko:
But I thought that was the culture then?
Remember Mary was Bethrothed (pls abeg correct the spelling) with Joseph for a while
This shows that culture had evolved just as society evolves

Another issue is that it's not usually clearly pointed out that this is your wife or husband....not everybody has that gift or hears directly in prayers like that.
So how can when tell?

From the history of Joseph and Mary in the Bible , we could see that Mary and Joseph were children of God and obedient to God's commandments.
They did not have sex bofore marriage. Angel appeared to both the husband and the wife.
They were vessel capable of receiving from God. It means the two might have receive information regarding whom to marry. It is not every detail that the Bible would give.Probably they prayed or inquired of the Lord before Mary was betrothed to Joseph.

About receiving revelations from God. I want you to know that God wants and would love to communicate wirh you. God passes information to everyone in diff ways.

It can be by dreams, visions , voice or through the Bible.

Even if you are not sure about whether God will reveal message to you regarding your spouse to be , just pray to God to " send your own spouse to your and send away wrong person ".
With that , you have committed everything into His hand.

Pls note that the world may be evolving but the standard of God does not change. It is the devil and his agents that are changing the world to put everyone in captivity.

This is to remove the sin of hatred and revenge from your soul.
When you pray for them , you are simply saying "he is not my enemy, but a friend ", so then, it is not a case of two fighting.

God cannot vindicate you if you see him as an enemy and he also sees you as an enemy. Meaning enemy plus enemy = 2 enemies. The two are guilty.

By praying for the enemy , you are seeking for peace.
This also creates joy within you.

I know and I am sure christianity is the only way.

I was a muslim but now a christian. I can tell you that truly Jesus is the only way.

Christianity is a spiritual thing. Although there are many carnal christians who don't know God ,but their service is in vain.

Sin kills and life is in the blood. That was why blood of Jesus on the cross is a great sacrifice.


Leviticus 17:11 KJV
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.


You too can be sure by simply praying to God to reveal to you the true religion. He will direct you.

This is a religion that will tell you the truth.

It is 100 % holiness or hell even after accepting Jesus as your lord and saviour, unless you genuinely ask God for forgiveness and sin no more. No deceptions.

Be holy as our God is holy.

fumisko:
Dating should be the boyfriend and girlfriend
Courtship is fiance/fiancée.....
Some churches, and maybe mine are against dating, they believe you should pick a partner and court for few months n get married.
So does that make dating sinful?? Like illegal or more like the way of the world?

Your church is right. That must be a godly church that can lead you to the strait gate and the narrow way.

Don't follow what the people of the world are doing.
No amount of dating can make you to understand your partner. The bible makes us to understand that:

The heart is deceitful above all things , and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Dating is an idea from the devil.
It makes you to fall into fornication.
It makes you want to choose for yourself instead of allowing God to choose for you.
It make you to end up marrying the wrong person, most of the time.
If you decided to leave , it is either you are hurt or the other get hurt.
Most time it leads to pregnancy b4 marriage.

It was God that chose wife for Issac. They did not date , still love was between them

Genesis 24:67 KJV
And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death .


All you need is pray and God will choose for you the right parner at the appropriate time.

Remember if you marry you cannot divorce except on the ground of adultery.

God knows the best partner for you.

Orubebe01:
I was in a service one day and the man of God said the members shouldn't advice him when they feel that he is not living up to expectation, rather they should go on their knee and pray. I want to know the proper thing to do in such situation.

No one is above corrections.

Might be he had been adviced in the past in a rude or insulting ways by some members who are not spiritual about why the pastor is doing what and why.

It is not wrong to correct or advice a pastor but it should be done with respect. But where you can see him doing the opposite of what the Bible requires of him , you can leave his chuch.

Is there anyone in the bible who prayed naked? If there is non, why would you want to invent your own style if praying?

If you start it in the corner of your room , gradually it would spread to other homes , your children would practice it and others also. From that , someone else would want it to be taking to the church and some fake Pastors would take it in.
Many chuches that would engage in it would , for sure , have large congregations because members want to come to church to watch naked bodies. Some pastors and church members still commit adultery and fornication , how would it be when such practice is accepted.

When it gets to that level , Satan would raise up people who would criticise them and research would show that church of satan started it the past and invariably Christianity is A FAKE religion.
It would then be very very hard to convince any muslim to accept Jesus Christ .

So , bind that evil sprit bringing that evil thought into your heart.

You need to go for deliverance because it is like the devil wants to use you.

What do you expect the muslims to say.

The muslims are known for practising TAQIYYAH , which is lying to prorect their religion .

Nwodosis:
Is it only tithe that's in the old testament? What of burnt offering and polygamy, who changed them?

That have not been changed but taking to a more perfect level by Jesus. That of sacrifice like burnt offering has been fulfilled by the offering of the body of Jesus on the Cross.
Those offerings were not permanent solutions for cleansing but temporary pending the coming of the messiah ( Jesus Christ ) . So there4 any other laws or commandments which has nothing to do with sacrifices are valid and must be obeyed.

Laws like :

Leviticus 18:6-10,12,17,20 KJV
None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the Lord .
[7] The unclothedness of thy father, or the unclothedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her unclothedness.
[8] The unclothedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's unclothedness.
[9] The unclothedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their unclothedness thou shalt not uncover.
[10] The unclothedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their unclothedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own unclothedness.
[12] Thou shalt not uncover the unclothedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.
[17] Thou shalt not uncover the unclothedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her unclothedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.
[20] Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her.......

Tithes has nothing to do with killing of animals for atonement, so, it is still valid.

Jesus himself told us that tithe is necessary in :

Matthew 23:23 KJV
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

That is aside from tithing , you should be merciful and have faith in addition.

donogaga:
Just thinking �,... what if we decide to stop paying tithes and offerings, will there still be churches in Nigeria?

Jesus told us he did not come to change the law. Pay your tithes.