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4.Christianity supports Misogyny (Hate against women):
Christians must face the harsh truth; THE BIBLE IS HUGELY MISOGYNISTIC. We live in a world rife with misogyny and governed by ......





Answer is :


Misogyny means hadred of women. But the bible says in :

Ephesians 5:22-25 KJV
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
[23] For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
[24] Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
[25] Husbands, LOVE your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;


It also says in:

Colossians 3:18-22 KJV
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
[19] Husbands, LOVE your wives, and be not bitter against them.
[20] Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.
[21] Fathers, provoke not your children to anger , lest they be discouraged.
[22] Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God:

In any setting ,formal or informal there is always a leader. If there is no leader nothing great or good can be achieved. If there is need for a leadet, are you saying the women shiuld be the head or leadet? Leadership does not mean lack of love or freedom for the followers.


Misogyny is not applicable to Christianity . If it means hatred of women , why this FAKE criticism when it is written in the Bible you quoted that we should love our wives :

Ephesians 5:28-31 KJV
So ought men to LOVE their wives as THEIR OWN bodies. HE THAT LOVETH HIS wife LOVETH himself.
[29] For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
[30] For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be ONE flesh.


I don't have time to go through the entire posts but I might reply later on .

tarif:
Why is it that when a Muslim commits a terrorist act they blame the religion as a whole and even back it up with some Qur'anic chapters, yet when a Muslim or even a group of Muslims perform a good act they simply wave it off with the hand.?
Why?

Good questions.


We know there are good muslims and there are bad ones , so do we have it in the christiandom. But when you talk about murder and terrorism , this is the foundation of Islam.

It is the right thing to condemn evil.

The question then is why the generalization when it comes to Islam ? The reason is that killings , murdering terrorism are validated by Islam.



Hardly would you see christian groups engaging in killings of innocent people for the sake of christianity. Even if there is any , the christiana would rebuke it in totality because it is not Biblical.
If it is not a command by allah , with promise of 72 virgins, one would not have been condemning the Islamic religion as a whole.

iamgenius:
No I don't believe in the cross matter at all. Shame on you, Christians only want people to believe in the cross matter whether it make sense or not. Even if we say it's by force does it make sense to you hypocrite? Even thiugh there are many contradictory verses in the Bible about the cross matter, Christians will still tell us it doesn't matter whether he was nailed in whatever hour.

Shame is not mine , and I am not a hypocrite.

There is no need to be abusive. Let us discuss like someone educated and who wish to learn from this thread.


If you dont believe that Jesus died on the cross , why did you say he was forced by God or deceived by God to die on the cross You also quoted that Jesus said " My Father why has thou forsaking me". This means you accepted he died on the cross because you quoted his word on the cross. Was that word from an impostor of Jesus as claimed by your allah?


No christian is forcing anyone to accept the death of Jesus on the cross. It is what we believe and we stand by it.
It is WORLD FACT that Islam is the only religion that uses FORCE on people to accept Islam. You read about Caliphs like Abu bakr , Uthman ,Ali etc. What was there mode of spreading Islam ? Was it not by force. Evidence:


Volume 4, Book 52, Number 68:

Narrated 'Aisha:

When Allah's Apostle returned on the day (of the battle) of Al-Khandaq (i.e. Trench), he put down his arms and took a bath. Then Gabriel whose head was covered with dust, came to him saying, "You have put down your arms! By Allah, I have not put down my arms yet." Allah's Apostle said, "Where (to go now)?" Gabriel said, "This way," pointing towards the tribe of Bani Quraiza. So Allah's Apostle went out towards them .


Volume 5, Book 59, Number 448:

Narrated 'Aisha:

Sad was wounded on the day of Khandaq (i.e. Trench) when a man from Quraish, called Hibban bin Al-'Araqa hit him (with an arrow). The man was Hibban bin Qais from (the tribe of) Bani Mais bin 'Amir bin Lu'ai who shot an arrow at Sad's medial arm vein (or main artery of the arm). The Prophet pitched a tent (for Sad) in the Mosque so that he might be near to the Prophet to visit. When the Prophet returned from the (battle) of Al-Khandaq (i.e. Trench) and laid down his arms and took a bath Gabriel came to him while he (i.e. Gabriel) was shaking the dust off his head, and said, "You have laid down the arms?" By Allah, I have not laid them down. Go out to them (to attack them)." The Prophet said, "Where?" Gabriel pointed towards Bani Quraiza. So Allah's Apostle went to them (i.e. Banu Quraiza) (i.e. besieged them). They then surrendered to the Prophet's judgment but he directed them to Sad to give his verdict concerning them. Sad said, "I give my judgment that their warriors should be killed, their women and children should be taken as captives, and their properties distributed."

You religion till today is still forcing people to accept Islam. Historically ,it started like that and still continued , just like the Boko haram and the Isis. But you muslims are so deceitful and would deny concrete evidences. The nairaland vow of oath to Islamic section is another evidence.

Who then is an hypocrite ?
Between Jesus Christ and Muhammed , who should one be ashamed of?

umarshek6:
baba é si ni ésin yin ko kin shë tipátipá

Olúwaa yin si paa Jèsu kristi yin tipátipá, ni sin shé èti waa ri pè wön ti yan yi Jê bayi

éni ah wi fun ôba jé ki wôn gbó

Meaningless post as usual.

It is true. It is not an end time church.

If you want entertainment church , run far away from M F M . If you need prayer and salvation go there with speed.

HRHQueenPhil:
church is a business , any pastor dat does not carry that mentality will never make heaven, even in the bank.we are trained to think business like, thats why poeple are shocked that we can come back to the ofice by 9pm just 2 make sure the ATMS are working because they give us 65 naira commission. same with pastors, infact d only reason CHRIST has not come is because the spread of the gospel has not entered some corners.

Long and short is, everybody shld take GOD Business seriously, its very profitable.lol

God has nothing to do with business. Christianity is about salvation. Jesus is our example. Did he die for what these pastors are doing,? Jesus told his disciples in:

Matthew 10:8-9 KJV
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. [9] Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

Jesus knew there was going to be many decievers , he there4 gave this prophecy for the sheep and the shepherd :


Matthew 7:13-23 KJV
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.
[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
[16] Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[17] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Church is not for business. Those who use it for business cannot live forever. They are going to face the judgment one day.
For the followers who feel church is all about miracles signs and wonders without seeking first the kingdom of God ,will not enter through the tiny ( strait ) gate , talkless of working on the narrow road.

It is the end time , and it is going to be like the time of Noah.

Let us repent and not regret for ever.

The land has a C of O. What were the rightful owners looking for when publication was made in the news paper about the C of O. They should have objected.

I am an Awori man. I know it is part of the dubious means to exploit buyers. Even if the land does not belong to your family , the rightful owners can come to you and ask you to contest for the ownership of the land. Intentionally they will give lame reasons that wpuld make the fake owner to be declared righful owner. They will both share the second proceed.

All I know is that as long as the land has a Certificate of Occupancy, there nothing they can do but to wait for 99 years when the certificate expires.

The gate of hell shall not prevail against the chuch of God , in Jesus name. Amen.

iamgenius:
Some readers here would think you wrote all these by yourself not knowing that you did copy and paste. You can't write things by yourself? This is what we told you not to do again and again, following your Pastors blindly. Well, they have already tied you with the oath that you don't have the Holy Spirit to interprete the verses.
Oh! You only follow what the writer said blindly I don't think you checked and think about what he wrote in his book.
Dave Armstrong

A true christian must believe in the Bible , and that is exactly what @asuustrike2009 is proving to you. To inform you about what has been written regarding his/her faith.

A true muslim should be able to rely on the Quran and the hadith as basis of her faith.

You said "Jesus Christ is not.....proofs from the Bible" .
When proofs are shown to you from that Bible resort to saying "copy and pasting from the Bible".

The Bible is sufficient for the christians. Is the quran and hadiths sufficient for the muslims, it should.
Facts from the hadith and quran show that Islam is an antichrist religion and PURE SATANIC.
How can a holy God tell you to marry your sons wife ( whether adopted or not ) Fact from Quran:

Allah SWT says:

وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, "Keep your wife and fear Allah," while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab: Verse 37)

You can see that allah, in the 2nd to the last sentence , now granted muslims right to marry wives of their adopted sons, when the sons no longer have need of them. What a rubbish. This cannot be from God Almighty.

Fact from Hadith:

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 579:

Narrated Abu Dharr:

The Prophet said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), 'Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, '(Yes), even if he committed theft, and even if he Committed illegal sexual intercourse."

This is a dirty god not Holy God.

Other proofs :

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 23:

Narrated 'Asim bin Sulaiman:

I asked Anas bin Malik about Safa and Marwa. Anas replied, "We used to consider (i.e. going around) them a custom of the Pre-islamic period of Ignorance, so when Islam came, we gave up going around them. Then Allah revealed" "Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of Allah. So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj of the House (of Allah) or perform the Umra to ambulate (Tawaf) between them." (2.158)

So what they used to call idol worshiping was not idol worship but was carried out by the so called pagan because they knew something about allah. They had been doing it for allah, allat and manat. So Islam joined itself with Idolaters . So the idolaters taught muhammed part of Islam.

This is not a Holy God but satan in disguise.

Volume 2, Book 21, Number 225:

Narrated Jundab bin 'Abdullah :

Gabriel did not come to the Prophet (for some time) and so one of the Quraish women said, "His Satan has deserted him." So came the Divine Revelation: "By the forenoon And by the night When it is still! Your Lord (O Muhammad) has neither Forsaken you Nor hated you." (93.1-3)

These written books are evidences and should be use to state your facts than suggestions or assumptions from from followers.

iamgenius:
Bro,that is not humility they call it FORCING TO DO SOMETHING AGAINST ONE'S OWN WILL, you never read where Jesus said on the cross : My God, My God why have you forsaken me... This shows that the movie was not planned by Jesus and god before or god betrayed Jesus not telling him what he was sent to do on earth.

You now believe JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS Whether by force or humility , it doesn't matter.

NASTYNASOSO:
*MARRIAGE OF AISHA (R.A) AT 9 YEARS OLD.*

_This is so STRANGE why?._

Have you ever asked yourself? Why is it that during the days of Quraysh, they called the Rasulullah (SAW):
Magician, madman, and the likes but *NEVER* called him a Pedophile if this accusation was true?
They never raised any question about his
marriage to *Aisha (R.A),* why?
Because it was *NORMAL* at that time, girls at that age were suitable for marriage at that time,

*Did you know:*

-Saint Augustine (350AD) married a 10 year old girl

-King Richard 11 (1400AD) he married a 7yr old girl.

-King Henry Viii (1500AD) he married a 5yrs old girl.

*_Even in the BIBLE it says:_*
*....But save for yourself every girl who has never slept with a man (numbers 31. 17:28).*

According to the catholic encyclopedia,
Mary the mother of Jesus was 12 when she married the 99 years old Joseph.

Before 1929, church of england ministers
could marry 12yrs old girls in Britain.


Up till 1983, catholic canon laws permitted priests to marry off brides at the age of 12.

In the United States, back in 1880, in the state of Delaware, the minimum age for marriage was 7yrs
and in California it was
10.
.
So *Aisha (RadiAllahu Anha)* was *NOT* a child when she was married! We live in a society where good is
condemned at every slight opportunity but evil is encouraged even when its flaws are
crystal clear.

*_How strange The Nigerian constitution says:_*

*An 18yrs old can vote*

*An 18yrs old can go to jail*

*An 18yrs old can contest for political positions*

*An 18yrs old can travel outside d country all alone.*

*And YET, an 18yrs old can't marry? But our 12yrs old Girls are having boyfriends!*
.
_Did u know? When Sofiyyah bint Huyay was married to the Muhammed (SAW), she was just 17yrs old? And that was her THIRD marriage She was initially married to Salam ibn abi Haqiq and later to Kinanah ibn abi Haqiq!_

Imagine how old she was during her first
marriage?
Are you clarified now?

*Those still doubtful, Go back to your village and ask your grandmother how old she was when she got married to your grandpa!.*

*Islam is perfect while Muslims are not*

May Allah (SWT) always give us ability to overcome every challenges in this life and the hereafter. Ameeen

Muhammed has done his own and he is gone. If you feel that what he did was right go on with your life and practice it. And more so , only lunatic father would give his daughter of 6 yrs to you at that age. You shoud also remember to pray to allah to give you the strength of 15 men ( half ) like muhammed , so that you too can do the below like muhammed:

Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:

Narrated Qatada:

Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).

Volume 1, Book 5, Number 282:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet used to visit all his wives in one night and he had nine wives at that time.


What a prophet. He had nothing good to do than sex , day and night. Even if the girl is a baby.
But my advice to you is "dont practice or try it "so that you dont end up like this:


Volume 1, Book 4, Number 197:

Narrated 'Aisha:

When the ailment of the Prophet became aggravated and his disease became severe, he asked his wives to permit him to be nursed (treated) in my house. So they gave him the permission. Then the Prophet came (to my house) with the support of two men, and his legs were dragging on the ground, between 'Abbas, and another man." 'Ubaid-Ullah (the sub narrator) said, "I informed 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas of what'Aisha said. Ibn 'Abbas said: 'Do you know who was the other man?' I replied in the negative. Ibn 'Abbas said, 'He was 'Ali (bin Abi Talib)." 'Aisha further said, "When the Prophet came to my house and his sickness became aggravated he ordered us to pour seven skins full of water on him, so that he might give some advice to the people. So he was seated in a Mikhdab (brass tub) belonging to Hafsa, the wife of the Prophet. Then, all of us started pouring water on him from the water skins till he beckoned to us to stop and that we have done (what he wanted us to do). After that he went out to the people."

Lest I forget , You said Islam is perfect.
Islam is perfect for sexual immoralities and stealing and robbery ?

Volume 2, Book 23, Number 329:

Narrated Abu Dhar:

Allah's Apostle said, "Someone came to me from my Lord and gave me the news (or good tidings) that if any of my followers dies worshipping none (in any way) along with Allah, he will enter Paradise." I asked, "Even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse (adultery) and theft?" He replied, "Even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse (adultery) and theft."

Illegal sexual intercourse like taking your son's wife is allowed. Muhammed did it because allah loves those who practice it, as long as they worship him , even if it is not in holiness.

[quote author=bahaushe1 post=61509954]Thank you
The meaning of John 10:30 is to be understood from the endings of John 10:28 (".....pluck them out of my hands" and John 10:29 ("......pluck them out of my father's hands". From these verses we can understand that once a believer believes in Jesus (pbuh) he sees to it that that believer remain in faith just as God also sees to it that the said believer remain in faith. So, in this sense (ensuring that a believer remain in faith), Jesus (pbuh) and God are one.

Jesus's (pbuh) statement in John 10:34 is even more instructive. Not only did Jesus (pbuh) denied the charge of blesphemy but he was surprised at their ignorance of their laws. He referred them to their laws where God addressed the Prophets of the Jews as gods. Jesus (pbuh) is clearly referring the Jews to Psalms 82:6 ' I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High'. (NIV)

John 10:30 is an innocent statement well known and acceptable in the Hebrew language and does not in any way imply Jesus (pbuh) or any Prophet of the Jews
Something that is so glaring that the whole world can see .
You said Jesus did not deny the charge of blasphemy that is right because he did not see his statement as blasphemy.


Read again, incase :

John 10:30-39 KJV
I and my Father are one. [31] Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. [32] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? [33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? [35] If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; [36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? [37] If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. [38] But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. [39] Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

These verses show ,clearly ,that Jesus agreed that he called himself God.

Jhaytee4all:
As for me, I would only say 'don't get confused and neither does God's Words causes confusion, but brings peace and understanding'.

Without the wisdom from God, you can never understand His Word.

"For God is not a God of disorder but of peace--as in all the congregations of the Lord's people."
-Corinthians14:33

No confusion here , it is btw the believers and unbelievers. They want to know . If you dont tell them the truth , the lies would spread like fire.
Some are reading this and are learning . If wrong rumours about your father is spread, you will do everything to clear his name. Have much that about life and death.

Jesus Christ was preached by Apostle Paul till death , we have to preach about Jesus for the world to know and wrong views Satan is spreading about Christianity can be revealled.

We all have that role to play in anywhere we find ourselves whether in the office, schools , your environment , in one way or the other . Even your mode of dressing , talking , characters and love , we can preach him.

We are the salt of the world.

ashlyfab78:
Lols.....what of those that believed him- the apostles....but he told them at john 14:28 that "you heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you .If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am". ......the truth had been said by him....

It is simple. Are you equal to your father. Would it not be an insult to take your father as your mate. Even God told us to honour our parents. But does that make you a less human being to your father.

Jesus christ called God his Father and they wanted to kill him.

John 10:30-42 KJV
I and my Father are one. [31] Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. [32] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? [33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? [35] If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; [36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? [37] If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. [38] But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. [39] Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand, [40] And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode. [41] And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true. [42] And many believed on him there.


Saying "I and my Father are one "means......
He is God ( as said above , since his father is God )
Means God is greater than him ( Father is greater than son)
He is in one accord with his father in . He does what the father asks him to do.

There are so many verses in the Bible that makes it clear to everyone that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and he is God.

These were written more than 2,500 years b4 we were born. So we are not assuming but quoting those revelations

1-- John 1:1-2 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. ( TWO GODS )

A revelation that was giving to Solomon about 1700 years b4 Jesus came affirmed or agreed with the above. Meaning it was not a mistake :

2--- Proverbs 8:22-36 KJV
The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. [23] I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. [24] When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. [25] Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: [26] While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. [27] When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: [28] When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: [29] When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: [30] Then I was by him, as one brought up with him : and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; [31] Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. [32] Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways. [33] Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not. [34] Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors. [35] For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the Lord . [36] But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
( TWO CREATORS )


3--- Genesis 1:26 KJV
And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. (TWO CREATORS )



These verses are self explanatory. But still you need personal prayer of request to know him( Jesus Christ ) . If he is your Creator just say" Jesus are you my Creator , are you real , show yourself to my in your glory, to cast doubts away from me.

He will answer you if you actually want to know the truth and follow him.
Pray this in the night when you are about to sleep. Give him like 3 days every night.

He is real. I am a witness . He is real and more real than you can imagined.

NASTYNASOSO:
DID JESUS FORGET THAT HE WAS GOD WHEN HE MADE THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS IN THE BIBLE ?
(1) Mark 12 v 29 : The Lord our God is only one God.
(2) John 20 v 17 : I am ascending onto my father and your father, onto my God and your God.
(3) Mark 15 v 34 : My God My God, why has thou forsaken me ?
(4) John 5 v 30 : I Jesus can do nothing of myself
(5) John 14 v 28 : My father is greater than I
(6) John 12 v 49 : I have not spoken of myself, the father who sent me gave me the commandments of what I should say and spoke onto you. (7) Mark 13 v 32 : Of that Day and that Hour, no one knows, not even the Son, nor the Angels in heaven but only the father
( John 17 v 3 : This is life eternal that they know you the only true God and Jesus whom you have sent
(9) Matthew 23 v 9 : Do not call any one your father here on earth for only God in heaven is your father.
(10) Luke 4 v 7-8 : Get away Satan for it is written trou shall worship the Lord thy God, and only him shall thou serve.
COMMENT ; I quoted these few biblical verses from the sayings of the Holy Man of God whom the Christians called their God. This is the very Man the bible called the Prophet of God in Luke 24 v 19, Luke 7 v 16, Luke 13 v 33, Matthew 21 v 46, Matthew 21 v 10-11, John 9 v 17, and Mark 6 v 4. This was the very Jesus the bible says he ate and drank in Matthew 11 v 19, Luke 24 v 41-43, John 19 v 28. This was the very Jesus the bible says he slept in Matthew 8 v 24, This was the very Man the bible says he worshipped God, prayed to him and even cried seeking his assistance in Matthew 26 v 39, Hebrews 5 v 7. Finally, this was the very Man the Christians generally believed that he was helplessly killed by the Jews and Roman Soldiers in Israel,. How then can such a being be the Almighty God that created the universe ? It is not only untenable to call Jesus God but it is theological confusion to even think that Jesus is God. (Jesus) that was born by a Woman (Mary) , who depended on the factors of growth and reproduction. This was the very Man that the Bible says in Luke 2 v 21 that he was circumcised in his foreskin (genital) when he was eight days old.Now how can we call him God. Waiting for objections, corrections and comments.

You are right , it is theoretically and theologically confusing to think that Jesus is God. But spiritually it is not confusing .


Satan tempted Jesus in the spirit and said :

Matthew 4:6 KJV
And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

You are a son to your father , does that mean you are not subjected to your father? No. As a son ,you bear the saw name of your father , would it not be wrong for anyone to say you are not Lasisi , if that is your father's name?

Why is it that madness is inheritable? because that spirit of madness is in the blood. The spirit in the Lord Jesus was that of God. He had human flesh but spirit of God. If a demon entered into a pregnant woman, she will give birth to demonic child. If the Spirit of God entered into a woman, she will bear Godly child.

He must worship his Father Almighty God, but you and I must worship God through him . He reconcilled us back to God theough his death.

You are picking verses that suits your point. Lets take everything in totality. You will understand

Kowor:
The hustle continues.

Which kind of hustle is that?

First , they are directly or indirectly working for satan to make mockery of christianity and rubbish the death of Jesus on the cross to discourage others.

Secondly, they are giving our nation a bad name and consequently , make every Nigerian to be looked down upon anywhere they go.

The Bible did not say or meant that all serpents are devils. The devil is a spirit . He needed an earthly body , whether human or animal to use and he eventually used that of serpent. That serpent was possessed by the devil. It is not all serpents that are possessed by the devil just like the devils can possess a human being , it does not mean every man is possessed by the devil.

The serpent the Israelites were told to look upon was not a real serpent but that made of brass which was to swallow the poison . It was serpent that bite them and it is fiery serpent that took away the poison and saved them.

This means when Adam sinned , death entered into the world and inherited by every man because of Adam we need someone in form of Adam who did not inherit the sin to take away the sin and make us to live.

Jesus said in:

John 3:14-18 KJV
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: [15] That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. [18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


Believe Jesus and be saved.

ScienceWatch:
Your summary is brilliant.

1) The forgiveness of sins.
2) The accusation of blasphemy.
3) God would not have granted the request for the forgiveness of that mans sins if Jesus committed the grave sin of blasphemy.
4) The Jewish holy men failed to interpret the words Jesus spoke and the Physical evidence corresponding to His words. "You sins are forgiven."
5) God said let US make man in our own image and likeness.

I believe the esteemed Nairalander, umarshek6 will agree that Enilove's summary is brief. This is a highly complex issue that cannot be understood using the lowest mental faculty known as logic, no matter how brilliant you are. (Carnal Mind)

I add more scripture that may be relevant ;

Jesus said, I and the father are one."

"I in him, and He in me."

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, and the Word was with God. Everything was made by the Word, nothing that was made was made without the word."

Jesus Has the Names of God. Jesus Christ possesses divine names—names that can only be used of God.

For example: Jesus is Yahweh. Yahweh is a very common Hebrew name for God in the Old Testament, occurring over 5,300 times. It is translated Lord (all capitals) in many English translations of the Bible.

We first learn of this name in Exodus 3, where Moses asked God by what name He should be called. God replied to him, “I AM WHO I AM. . . .Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you’ ” (verse 14). Yahweh is basically a shortened form of “I AM WHO I AM” (verse 15). The name conveys the idea of eternal self-existence. Yahweh never came into being at a point in time for He has always existed.

Jesus implicitly ascribed this divine name to himself during a confrontation He had with a group of hostile Jews. He said, “I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58). Jesus deliberately contrasted the created origin of Abraham—whom the Jews venerated—with His own eternal, uncreated nature as God.

Jesus is Kurios. The New Testament Greek equivalent of the Old Testament Hebrew name Yahweh is Kurios. Used of God, Kurios carries the idea of a sovereign being who exercises absolute authority. The word is translated Lord in English translations of the Bible.

God bless you.

That second to the last paragraph above was what I read and opened my understanding more about who Jesus is.


John 8:56-59 KJV
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it , and was glad. [57] Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? [58] Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. [59] Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

When I read d above, I went to read the account of Abraham and I discovered it is actually written that Abraham saw Jesus :

Genesis 18:1-3,22-23,32 KJV
And the Lord ( Jesus ) appeared unto him (Abraham) in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; [2] And he ( Abraham )lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them , he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, [3] And said, My Lord ( not my Lords ), if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: ...........[22] And the men ( Angels) turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the Lord . [23] And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? [32] And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.


Abraham was a servant or messanger of God , how come he called himself a servant of Jesus , if Jesus was a mere servant of God like him.
No one can see God and live , anywhere we read that Moses or anyone saw God, we should know that it is Jesus Son of God they saw and not a mistake or contradiction Jesus is God the Son .

bahaushe1:
As for John 10:30, kindly start reading from John 10:25. The statement in John 10:30 is a summation of John 10: 28 and 29.

Here is what you requested.

John 10:25-39 KJV
Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. [26] But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. [27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. [29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. [30] I and my Father are one. [31] Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. [32] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? [33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? [35] If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; [36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? [37] If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. [38] But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. [39] Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

It still does not change the fact that Jesus did not deny the accusation that he was making himself God ,as in verse 33 above.

alBHAGDADI:
Jere comes a heretic Jehovah's witnesses member regurgitating what his governing body fed him.

But you guys claim Jesus was angel Michael before coming to earth, Na?

I am not a Jehovah's witness. I love them though. They are peaceful people despite their beliefs. Here ,don't let us be divided but first lets educate the unbelievers.

@alBHAGDADI, what I qouted are all from the Bible. I don't add or remove from the Bible.

Having sex in the dream indicates you have spirit wife.

The best thing for you is to stop any form of sexual immortality you may be engaged into. like watching sex videos or pictures of naked girls.

Then go to MFM prayer city for 3day dry fast.
You will be delivered but you have to stop having girl friends and stop sexual escapades b4 marriage. If you do, your deliverance will just be in vain.

Other good things shall also follow, as long as you remain holy.

umarshek6:
is dis a summary to u?
Or u don't understand english any more?



NB: summary means in one or two sentences

What is wrong with this thing.

I am sure you a school cert failure.


Is there anywhere I said I was going to summarise my post?
You just felt like showing your stupidity to the whole world, right ?

Your posts are as senseless as b4.
Olodo . Where did you read that a summary must be in one or two sentences.

I wonder the school you went to. If you were asked to summarize a 2 page comprehension ,you will use 2 sentences, isn't it? Olodo .

That is the way you correct your father at home even when you are blindly stupid .

Tahra:
Are you indirectly saying God is human?

No, it is the other way round.

Human is god.

Psalm 82:6 KJV
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Since the Op has decided to go on strike , l want to add more to the other points a gave earlier . Though not direct statements but can but we can infer from the conversation that Jesus ,when on earth here , had power of a God :


Mark 2:5-12 KJV
When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. [6] But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, [7] Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? [8] And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts? [9] Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? [10] But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) [11] I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house. [12] And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion.


We can read in verse 7 that the scribes knew that it is only God that can forgive sin. If Jesus had blasphemed , he wouldn't have been granted that request by his Father in heaven.

This debate was actually why he was killed.
Just like you are reasoning that Jesus can't be God , so I was . But not again because Jesus has showed me that he is God.
It doesn't make sense to a carnal man but he is A REAL GOD.

It was Jesus God was speaking to in :

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

iamgenius:
Don't run away from my thread, go and defend it.

Why would I run away. I have defended it since morning.

Go back there and make it lively.

iamgenius:
enilove zionmade1 analice107 please disprove my claims up there, don't derail my thread.

I have disapproved it 5 hours ago but no response from you.

Are you intentionally avoiding your own thread for lack of answer ?

enilove:
There places in the Bible that says Jesus Christ is God.

1---- Isaiah 9:6-7 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. [7] Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

2- ---- Revelation 1:7-8 KJV
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


3----John 10:29-36 KJV
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. [30] I and my Father are one. [31] Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. [32] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? [33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? [35] If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; [36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

These above scpriptures show that Jesus is God.
Because a lion was given birth to does not remove it from being lion. Son of God is God.

Op, it is over 4 hours I posted this to you to counter your wrong view about Jesus.Are you still serching?

My conclusion is this; Your silence means you have consented.

OtemAtum:
At d bolded, I didn't tell you that I don't know. Christians like to blow lies sha. See what I said in the quote below. How did 'i cannot tell you equal I didn't know? ' Hmm.



Now back to d topic, the god you are thinking about is not the ALMIGHTY GOD I am talking about. As I said earlier, your info. is personal to you and you should be the one to reveal it to us not God revealing it except if you are a scammer . I have revealed the identity of scammers here because they broke the rule and I also went further to reveal their identity. Ask anyone here about 4evergod aka Butterflylion whose real name is Samuel Chinedum Ekwueme. When he scammed people and thought that no one knew about it, I Otem, the bully of Yahweh, revealed the history of his entire lineage. So if you want me toto reveal your identity, go and scam someone and let me know about it. It won't take me more than half a week of meditation before I fetch you out.

You see your life.
Why are you serving a god that takes days for him to reveal things to you ?

You said it all, the God Almighty I serve is diff from yours.

What a religion.

Whan making love to your wife satan would be there because you are naked but satan would not be there when a muslim is robbing people and also when they are sleeping with another persons wife or husband.

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 579:
Bukhari
Narrated Abu Dharr:

The Prophet said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), 'Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, '(Yes), even if he committed theft, and even if he Committed illegal sexual intercourse."

It is the devil at work. He used muhammed and he will continue to use them until the world realises the evil this religion is made of.

Their followers are happy reading this and would not rise up against them but would come to tell you those terrorists are non muslims , which is a big lie.

It was what muhammed and his followers did to spread Islam.

It is a cursed religion from hell to destroy innocent souls.

OtemAtum:
Yes, God knows everything about you which you write up here, I didn't argue that with you. But God is not a gossip who will reveal things about on person to another person for no good reason. I don't knoe if Yahweh does gossiping, but God Almighty his father will not do such. He leaves us to use our brains to achieve all things.

Before you said you didn't know. You have come out of slumber , it is now a gossip.

It is not a gossip because I requested for it. The Bible tell us to test all spirit. You knew you would fail if you tried, but God can never fail.

There is nothing God will tell you about me concerning those info that will discredit me. It will only give Him the glory .

wolesmile:
OtemATum, get outta this thread.
felixomor, any counter argument?
plapville, truthman2012, bennyann, ScienceWatch, DoctorAlien, Analice107, parisbookaddict, oaroloye, ishilove, alBHAGDADI, and others, iamgenius has brought food o!
enilove, I'm a lil busy now. Address the passages quoted. Perhaps they were taken out of contest, who knows. But on the ones you quoted, we will discuss them at length.
I dey come.

I am waiting ,just for today .