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Food / Re: Snake Delicacies Refresh Our Skin– Nigeria’s Snake Eaters by EreluY(f): 8:32pm On Mar 26, 2016
[size=18pt]SHAMELESS END TIME SNAKE EATERS.[/size]

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Culture / Re: Big Python Saved In My Village(pics) by EreluY(f): 7:49pm On Mar 26, 2016
End Time Python. So, how is it going to be kept safe so as to ensure it doesn't constitute a danger to the villagers?

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Health / Re: Her Blood Is Not On My Hands - The Travails Of A Nigerian Medical Doctor by EreluY(f): 12:55pm On Mar 25, 2016
Leopantro:


Do you know of the shortfalls of both the original and the modern hippocratic Oath? Much as you are fixated on it, certain portions of it cannot stand in a court of law.
Not this



Kindly refer to this article
https://blogs.commons.georgetown.edu/journal-of-health-sciences/issues-2/vol-6-no-2-july-2012/the-fall-of-the-hippocratic-oath-why-the-hippocratic-oath-should-be-discarded-in-favor-of-a-modified-version-of-pellegrino’s-precepts/

Thank you. I certainly will have a read of the material.
Health / Re: Her Blood Is Not On My Hands - The Travails Of A Nigerian Medical Doctor by EreluY(f): 12:53pm On Mar 25, 2016
Do Nigerian medical students and doctors take courses and CPDs in medical ethics and law? Comments on this thread remind me of a story of a Nigerian family who recently travelled home on holidays. Whilst there, they took their 4 year old girl to a university medical centre for check up. The medical 'professional' or officer on duty not only turned the child and her parents away because they were not registered with the medical centre (which only registered students and staff of the university) but also failed to even sight the child to see if she needed urgent attention. Where is that doctor's duty of care?
Health / Re: Her Blood Is Not On My Hands - The Travails Of A Nigerian Medical Doctor by EreluY(f): 11:57am On Mar 25, 2016
allycat:
The hippocratic oath people keep referring too says "the health of MY patient will be my first consideration" emphasis being My. This does not make me responsible for anyone who is rushed into my clinic or hospital.You do not become my patient till I agree to manage your case. So using that to blackmail doctors is a no case submission. If that were the case why don't you put your sick relations on a plane and fly abroad and tell the doctors there to treat you free after all they swore to the same hipocrattic oath.

Allycat? if you're a doctor and you swore either or both the hippocratic oath and/or physicians oath, go and have a look at the texts, and come back to tell us about your solemn pledge to consecrate your life to the service of humanity and to maintain the utmost respect for human life whether or not they are your 'registered' patients.
Health / Re: Her Blood Is Not On My Hands - The Travails Of A Nigerian Medical Doctor by EreluY(f): 11:49am On Mar 25, 2016
[b]The vast majority of you on this thread are dead ignorant. The worst ignoramus Nigerians are the degree holders (BA Akungba, MA Ekpoma, PhD Ekpoma/Ibadan/Ogbomoso/Ilorin, or whatever) who I describe as certificated but uneducated and unenlightened. Get out of that zoo called Nigeria, study abroad (and I'm not talking about going to study in Ukraine), gain some practical experience, pass through the overseas experience and let the experience pass through you by allowing it to form and shape your future practice. Those questioning my understanding of what I'm talking about, if after reading my responses on this thread and you still don't have a clue, then go and bow your head in shame and get yourselves a good education. I am sufficiently educated and a fat cat in the city.

Now listen, if you will. In its 2015/2016 prospectus, the University of Oxford states that "Medicine is a vocational degree, which allows you to develop the practical and clinical capabilities specific to medicine, as well as the professional and personal attributes that are necessary to be a doctor." Similar document published by the Yale Medical School states that "Medicine is, first and foremost, a vocation that requires a commitment to professionalism and service humankind." Note the recurrence of, and emphasis on, vocation, in both citations.

Those of you making reference to being asked to pay medical bills in overseas hospitals, thanks for displaying your ignorance. I've lived in the UK for 20 years or so, and have travelled widely across Europe and North America. It's hospital administration that pursues payments (including legal pursuits of non-payments) and not doctors. Even so, it's always after (not before) medical treatment. And, if you were talking about medical treatment and payment in India and Pakistan - that's not my cuppa tea. In sane climes, a doctor or nurse (if caught) would have her/his practice licence revoked for walking/driving past an accident scene without intervening not to mention failing to attend to a patient due to non payment of medical bills.

Further to my claim on the relevance of the the Hippocratic oath "a ​promise made by ​people when they ​become ​doctors to do everything ​possible to ​help ​their ​patients and to have high ​moral ​standards in ​their ​work", the most recent revision (2006) of The Declaration of Geneva (Physician's Oath), as currently published by the World Medical Association, poignantly states: At the time of being admitted as a member of the medical profession:
"I solemnly pledge to [size=18pt]consecrate my life to the service of humanity[/size];
I will give to my teachers the respect and gratitude that is their due;
I will practice my profession with conscience and dignity;
[size=18pt]The health of my patient will be my first consideration[/size];
I will respect the secrets that are confided in me, even after the patient has died;
I will maintain by all the means in my power, the honour and the noble traditions of the medical profession;
My colleagues will be my sisters and brothers;
I will not permit considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;
I will maintain [size=18pt]the utmost respect for human life[/size];
I will not use my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat;
I make these promises solemnly, freely and upon my honour."


Note the emboldened phrases or sentences in the Declaration. If you have forgotten the physicians oath you took, that's a reminder.

On a final note, if you entered the field of medicine not considering the fact that it's first and foremost a vocation (just like the priesthood), then get out of it. You have vowed to not only "consecrate your life to the service of humanity," but also ascertain that "the health of your patients will be your first consideration". So, if you fail to attend to a patient for financial reasons and the patient eventually dies due to your inaction, not only is the patient's blood upon you (if you have a conscience), you should be struck off the medical register, prosecuted and sentenced for failing to act professionally. Like the medical vocation, some entered into priesthood (and 'am not talking about pastors in 'Penterascal' churches) thinking it's a bed of roses. Some left on realising that it's a vicarious or sacrificial calling to go and do something else e.g. university lectureships/professorships, etc.

I KNOW THIS IS PROVOCATIVE, YET IT'S NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
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Health / Re: Her Blood Is Not On My Hands - The Travails Of A Nigerian Medical Doctor by EreluY(f): 7:14am On Mar 24, 2016
datigbogirl:


Your statement here has no correlation to your suggestion...ds doctors are not resigning dr profession but will move to a place with better working condition...it's like d prayer of every doctor but you're here saying the doctor should down tools kpatakpata and become jobless simply becos he demands to be paid for the skills he uses in rendering life saving services...

Humans will always take important things for granted.


Your comment demonstrates a lack of basic English comprehension. I don't blame you but the Nigerian educational system.

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Health / Re: Her Blood Is Not On My Hands - The Travails Of A Nigerian Medical Doctor by EreluY(f): 7:01am On Mar 24, 2016
Karlovich:
and your brain made u write such nonsense, u better see a psychiatrist before your relatives start blaming innocent people in your village for ur predicament, and I'm no nigerian

See what 'am talking about? I guess you've not only got mosquito brain, but a dysfunctional one infected with the zika virus. You think I care about your nationality? I don't. And, for your information, whilst everything is wrong with the Nigerian state, there is nothing wrong with being a Nigerian.

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Health / Re: Her Blood Is Not On My Hands - The Travails Of A Nigerian Medical Doctor by EreluY(f): 6:31am On Mar 24, 2016
Karlovich:
smh, you really need serious mental evaluation, no wonder your politicians flee to foreign countries for medical treatments. So a doctor shouldn't be paid for his services, the drugs and other apparatus he made use of while treating a patient, and some are quick to mention God u begin to wonder why the so called patient wasn't taken to a church or mosque in the first place.

Go away with your mosquito brain. You don't get it, do you? I guess you're one of the so-called medical doctors.
Health / Re: Her Blood Is Not On My Hands - The Travails Of A Nigerian Medical Doctor by EreluY(f): 5:59am On Mar 24, 2016
InvertedHammer:

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The junior doctors are threatening a government that cares to listen. Doctors in Nigeria can threaten to move to Bermuda triangle and the government couldn't care less. Like I always say, most Nigerians are directly or Indirectly benefiting from the messed up situation called Nigeria. They will resist any transformation that may bring positive results in their lives collectively.


What's your business with a government that couldn't care less...and a people benefitting from messed up situation. Get out of that sh1t hole. This may be a clarion call to you. I know Nigerian doctors doing extremely well outside the shores of Nigeria. Don't get wasted by a rotten system. Listen, of recent, I met a Nigerian professor who works in a UK university as a lecturer. He dropped his professorship at MMA in Lagos. He earns good money here, doesn't have to stress about armed robbery, bad road network, epileptic electric and water supplies, poor health service, and his children are in enviable schools. Oh, he has access to the latest academic journals, books, research grants, membership of professional associations and doesn't have to go with cap in hand begging to be funded to attend academic conferences through which he now networks and collaborates with those that matters in his field.
Health / Re: Her Blood Is Not On My Hands - The Travails Of A Nigerian Medical Doctor by EreluY(f): 5:46am On Mar 24, 2016
Rejoice5000:
My mum almost push me to that profession but i boldly told her i cant survive as a medical doctor period::because after free treatment i will also ask the patient if he or she has a transport fair:

You could have taken your mum's counsel, train and qualify as medical doctor and jet out of Nigeria to seek a greener pasture. No one ever see beyond their horizons. In spite of all the thrash spewn on NL about Nigerians not doing well abroad, there are Nigerian professionals doing extremely well outside the shores of that zoo called Nigeria. It seems plausible to maintain, even if anecdotally, that for every Nigerian in the diaspora not doing well, there are 4-6 doing extremely well.
Health / Re: Her Blood Is Not On My Hands - The Travails Of A Nigerian Medical Doctor by EreluY(f): 5:31am On Mar 24, 2016
samdes02:
you're just being impractical really. Well gear up for the next wave of braindrain and it hurts me dearly cos it'll only worsen things.and hey next time you go see your GP tell him he swore an oath to always treat you free of charge wink grin.Lets face the country is messed up and the government just don't care

Now, you've come full circle to the point I've made, repeatedly, on NL threads over the years. Nigeria is irrevocably doomed. Get out of that sh1t hole, if you can. The earlier the better. It's always been the case from pre-historic times that humans migrate.

And, yes sir, I pay my tax (too much tax is killing me right now but I don't really mind). I never ever discuss cost/funds/money with my GP over the past 20 years or so. Why? I pay my tax and the NHS is effective - simply the best in the world. Doctors in my necks of the wood take their Hippocratic oath very SERIOUSLY. And for those asking what Hippocratic oath means, for the umpteenth time, it refers to an oath taken "by ​people when they ​become ​doctors to do everything ​possible to ​help ​their ​patients and to have high ​moral ​standards in ​their ​work."
Health / Re: Her Blood Is Not On My Hands - The Travails Of A Nigerian Medical Doctor by EreluY(f): 11:39pm On Mar 23, 2016
samdes02:
no I won't, but would you excuse all the women who would hinge on the said oath of celibacy andswear to lure the Padre into shagging them?

It's only the padre, and not the seductionist(s), who is under oath. The latter has nothing at stake, really. The padre either sticks it out or quit if he no longer has the moral stamina and resolve to stay true to his calling. In the same manner, if a medical doctor cannot stay true to her/his calling with reference to the Hippocratic oath, s/he should (if s/he has a conscience) call it a day perhaps by moving into another sector where s/he can stay true to her/his calling. Junior doctors in England are currently demanding better working conditions with a threat that if the government fails to act, they'll move to other parts of the UK (especially Scotland and Northern Ireland) or abroad (Middle East, Australia, Canada, etc.). Rather than fold their arms and watch patients die, they'll simply move elsewhere. Only then can they, like Pontius Pilate, wash their hands clean of a patient's blood.

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Business / Re: Jennifer Obayuwana's Breguet Wrist Watch by EreluY(f): 11:19pm On Mar 23, 2016
REMINDS ME OF A SILLY GUY WHO KEPT UPDATING HIS FACEBOOK PROFILE, TELLING THE WHOLE WORLD HE'S HOLIDAYING ABROAD. BEFORE HIS ARRIVAL, AREAS BOYS EMPTIED HIS HOME. DAYS AFTER HIS ARRIVAL, THEY CAME BACK FOR MAMA CHARLIE'S HEAD ON PAPER. BRAINLESS DUDE, KEEP UPDATING AREA BOYS.
Politics / Re: Army Officer, Woman Clash At BEDC Headquarters (photo) by EreluY(f): 10:32pm On Mar 23, 2016
creativity4real:
better comment in english or it'll soon be your turn! grin


MY TURN? THAT SOLDIER WOULD GO TO BED AND NEVER RISE AGAIN. BECAUSE THE DEAD NEVER ARGUES WITH THE LIVING.
Health / Re: Her Blood Is Not On My Hands - The Travails Of A Nigerian Medical Doctor by EreluY(f): 10:18pm On Mar 23, 2016
samdes02:
jeez! Now I just got angrier , seriously?


[size=16pt]Whilst I understand your frustration, all medical doctors in saner climes take the Hippocratic oath -- "a ​promise made by ​people when they ​become ​doctors to do everything ​possible to ​help ​their ​patients." You won't excuse a Reverend Father who took the celibacy oath and then go on shagging women under the excuse that "body no be wood." Would you?[/size]

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Health / Re: Her Blood Is Not On My Hands - The Travails Of A Nigerian Medical Doctor by EreluY(f): 9:49pm On Mar 23, 2016
sofadj:
I own a hospital in Southwest- (not Osun state Nigeria ...lol). I currently have about 17 patients on my ward each of whom I have admitted at several occasions through emergency. None of these patients has paid upto 30% of his/her bill. Some of them have stayed upto 7 weeks on the ward. I admitted and attended to them based on the fact that their conditions were life-threatening as at the time they came. I made their bill known to them - and they signed before they were treated. But there is a common trend, as soon as they felt relief and became stable they pleaded for their bills to be reduced - this I vehemently refused.

About 4 weeks ago a woman was rushed in with Eclampsia having just convulsed while pregnant and she was unconscious. I promptly took her straight to the theatre without collecting a dime though i had informed the relatives of the charges - #120,000 for her operation and medications. They signed and I carried out the surgery succesfully. Mother and baby survived. Within the following 6-days they paid a total sum of #12,000 and they began pleading to go home for the child's christening ceremony. I looked at them with disdain. Till now, they have only managed to pay a total sum of #14,000.

Another man who was managed for strangulated hernia has only paid 20,000 out of 75,000 bill. And the list goes on. Their failure to pay has made it difficult for the hospital to replace consumables and medications needed to manage other people's condition.
In the early hours of today 1:30am, a woman was rushed into the hospital following delivery at the referrral center. Blood had refused to stop gushing out. I did a quick assesment and realised she would need more materials than the hospital pharmacy currently had in store. I could have my staff get from a nearby pharmacy too. However, the husband said he had no money on him and so did the numerous relatives that accompanied. It was indeed a familiar pattern. I decided to let them go. I referred her to a government hospital. Ofcourse they pleaded for me to help but there was nothing I could do. Few minutes after they left - just few metres from my hospital gate, she collapsed. She had lost a lot of blood. I rushed there and rigorously tried resuscitating her right there outside the hospital 2am early morning, but all efforts proved abortive. A young woman of 28years had just died after having her first baby. Screams, wails, cries ensued. I felt bad - this is not why i became a doctor. But her blood is not on my hands.

Her blood is on the hands and heads of all the patients on the ward who can afford to pay but refused to - on the grounds that - "What will they do?. Her blood is on the hands and heads of the government officials past and present who have made it difficult and impossible for workers to get paid for their work. But the government officials are not the target of this my narrat. It is aimed at those who take hospital healthcare and medical doctors for granted. Those (including myself) who emphasise that doctors should not put money first before treating emergency conditions. In emergency cases, relatives would go to any length through any struggle to get money. As soon as the situation becomes calm, they relax and then they refuse to pay.

Last year a distant relative of mine was delivered of her baby via Caesearian section (in a hospital in Lagos- not mine). They were billed #180,000 which they accepted before the operation. After the surgery, her husband called me and asked how much I charge and i told him. He then began pleading with the management of the said hospital to review his bill. They declined. The husband being who he is, paid #120,000 and absconded with his wife and his newly born son. How he did this, I do not know, but i know that at the christening ceremony a week later, he had two cows slaughtered to celebrate the birth of his first son.

Many times we complain of doctors who ask for charges before treating patients but no one has ever bothered to ask the doctors why they do? Doctors are humans too, we need to pay bills. This is our trade, our profession, our means of livelihood. We have needs too. We can not go to the market place with the ID showing that we're doctors and hope to get food items on credit. We need to pay our children's school fees, we need clothes , shelter etc just as you. Everywhere in the world healthcare is expensive, both services and materials are exepensive. Well we understand that you may not have money. The government should find a way. The government should find a way/policy that ensures that we get our money back after we have rendered our service. In the UK there is the National Health Scheme, in the United states they have health insurance schemes too in addition to Medicare, Medicaid. In Nigeria we have the barely effective, poorly regulated and massively corrupt National Health Insurance Scheme.

Well i have decided to change the modus operandi of my institution. The previous one has not benefitted anybody. Henceforth if any one comes to my emergency room without a dime. I will not attend to. If such a person dies, the blood is not on my hands, its on the hands of those who have received treatment in the past and failed to pay afterwards.



[size=18pt]What happened to the Hippocratic oath taken when you were enrolled by the medical council? Or, this doesn't happen in Nigeria anymore?[/size]

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Religion / Re: Fewer Americans Believe In God Now: New Study by EreluY(f): 3:37am On Mar 23, 2016
Because the light of enlightenment has finally shone upon them.

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Foreign Affairs / Re: Donald Trump: What Does The Mass Support For Him Suggests About The USA? by EreluY(f): 7:15pm On Mar 22, 2016
The latest I heard on the BBC is that Trump mum is from Lewis in Scotland. And, this is the guy talking about deporting Latinos and preventing Muslims from entering USA. I am beginning to think that he urgently needs a psychiatrist.

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Politics / Re: Army Officer, Woman Clash At BEDC Headquarters (photo) by EreluY(f): 10:20pm On Mar 21, 2016
Seylad2009:
Translation,Please.

I understand children born and raised in Yorubaland these days don't understand this language simply because they're perfecting English language. Are you one of them? I feel really sorry for you if you are. Now, this reminds me of an incident not long ago here in London. This 21 year old Naija aje butter girl doing her masters in London attended a function at which I was present. She can't speak Yoruba but had what Nigerians would consider excellent command of the English language. The London born and bred girls were underhandedly making fun of her accent, teasing her courtesy of the cockney accent, she was occasionally lost in translation. This is what I call double tragedy. Ede iya re oo gbo. Won so oyinbo sile, o nse sorry, sorry. O bo lowo re niyen o. Any Nigerians, born and bred in Nigeria who can't speak a Nigerian language go and start learning it right now.

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Family / Re: Mother Of 2 Wears Bum Revealing Outfit In Public (photo) by EreluY(f): 10:06pm On Mar 21, 2016
iPopAlomo:



Aunty... calm down... your blood dey hot... it means you're too serious...

And by I'll hit that... doesn't mean... I'll beat her or slam a bottle in her head... it simply means... I don't have an issue with what she wore...

Hope you understand now... Life is not that serious abeg... and you're in the UK... try going out a bit... have fun abeg...

I'm a lover not a fighter...

Thank you jare. It's a free world. It's her business.
Family / Re: My Brother's Fiancee Is An Ex-prostitute Have Slept With. Should I Tell by EreluY(f): 9:52pm On Mar 21, 2016
[size=15pt]That's you and your brother's karma. Have you stopped? Do you have a son? Some day, he's gonna bring home one of those younger Olosho you have been banging and shagging? Are you going to tell him? Come back and seek advice.[/size]
Family / Re: Mother Of 2 Wears Bum Revealing Outfit In Public (photo) by EreluY(f): 9:48pm On Mar 21, 2016
iPopAlomo:
I'll hit that...

May you do so in the USA only to get an unbelievable prison term.
Politics / Re: Army Officer, Woman Clash At BEDC Headquarters (photo) by EreluY(f): 9:25pm On Mar 21, 2016
O ma se o. Ni ijosi, awon agba a fi epe ran'se si iru sooja yi. Beeni ori re yoo daru, ti yoo ma rin hoho kaakiri igboro, ti yoo maa r'erin muse-muse, ti yoo ma s'ale je. Nigba naa ni awon oga re yoo ba le kuro ninu ise ologun. Aso bo lorun re niyen. Yoo ba wo'gbo lo.

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Romance / Re: Bad Economy Affecting Our Business –lagos Prostitutes by EreluY(f): 1:46am On Mar 21, 2016
POOR GRAMMAR, BAD REPORTING.

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Crime / Re: Lover Sets His Girlfriend, Friend Ablaze (pictures) by EreluY(f): 4:51pm On Mar 20, 2016
END TIME MISHAPS. CAN'T BELIEVE I'VE JOINED THE END TIME COMMENTATOR CREW

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Celebrities / Re: Timi Dakolo Bags Degree In Songwriting From An American College (Photos) by EreluY(f): 4:38pm On Mar 20, 2016
Kay17:


Berklee offers from the scratch trainings on music theory which gives a music novice an opportunity. Therefore prerequisites are not really necessary. Of during the study the student has to naturally progress from one prerequisite to another but not before the programme.

Are you for real?...You're jumping from one end of the argument to the other. Going by your last posting, you've come full round back to my point by stating that students would be "starting from scratch". If so, except this guy has a bachelor's degree in music, he cannot enrol on a masters degree programme without subject knowledge at the undergraduate level (certificate, diploma and BA). You now see the point I'm making. If you're intelligent enough, look up the college's link I've already provided and work it out yourself: the institution doesn't offer a master's degree in music. So, whatever the name of this artiste is, he hasn't received a masters degree in music. For your information, music is a difficult academic subject. Not everyone has the capacity to successfully pursue it. The fact that someone can play guitar, string lyrics and melodies together is no proof they can pursue academic study of music. Any musicologists in the house?
Celebrities / Re: Timi Dakolo Bags Degree In Songwriting From An American College (Photos) by EreluY(f): 10:13am On Mar 20, 2016
@ Kay17: 9:24am On Mar 19
Would you mind mentioning just a few of the requirements needed for a proper understanding of music theory?

[b]If you were to take a music theory course, let's say MUS201, where MUS101 is a prerequisite, you would be expected to have full grasps (knowledge and understanding) of topics like: harmonic vocabulary & modulation; diatonic triads and seventh chords in major and harmonic minor; 2-part, 3-part and 4-part harmony (figured bass); harmonic progression; chord progression; fugal writing; rhythmic anticipation and articulations; melodic and harmonic tensions and resolutions, etc., etc. There is no way you can study on a music course or programme which builds on a student's knowledge and understanding of these theoretical stuff without good prior knowledge of what they are. Pop musicians with no music qualifications (just like children who speak mother tongues without theoretical knowledge of the rules of the grammar) do compose and perform music featuring these theoretical principles. Albeit, like the childhood and language analogy used, pop musicians with no academic music training have no understanding of theoretical principles underpinning their compositions and performance.[/b]
Politics / Re: Abubakar Sanni-Bello Bags Doctorate-Degree From IMSU (pics) by EreluY(f): 2:00am On Mar 20, 2016
For a long time, Nigerian Universities have been awarding honorary causa doctorates, nilly-willy. Here in the UK, individuals are awarded these degrees for their outstanding contributions to various aspects the society. E.g. Desmond Tutu has been awarded several honorary doctorates for outstanding contributions towards peace and dialogue, etc. In Nigeria, universities award honorary doctorates to attract pecuniary gains both on personal and institutional levels.
Politics / Re: Apply Ruling On Tinubu To My Case – Saraki Tells CCT by EreluY(f): 2:24pm On Mar 19, 2016
Until all these politicians are properly prosecuted and handed death penalties through public execution, and their loot returned to the government purse, Nigeria would never be back on track.

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