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HeavenlyBang:
Reliability isn't due to one particular component. It's an ideology. A system. If you can't understand that, then maybe this argument is flying far above your head.

Lubish, you are not Inclined i n the ENGINEERING FIELD then Reliability is waht prompt Upgrades, and upgrades are centred arrround components.It could simply mean change of materials for same components.All Ideology in Engineering are touchable, you must build it touch it.even the word Concept in Engineering is touchable and physical,This is not Biz Admin olz.

greenhulk:
At the bold, do u really wanna do this? U know it won't be in ur favor. And point of note. At brand new the range is twice the price of the Rx now check theor prices Nigeria used after 10 yrs. Nija used 2008 range Rover sport is sold for around 3 million, while 2008 used Rx 350 is srold for around 2.8 million (don't forget that at brand new the range costs twice the price of the Rx).

If u want a fairer comparison then check out how much naija used 2008 lexus GX 460 costs. That thing still sells for around 5 million naija used while a whole range sells for 3 million

we where talking RX350 not GX or you want me to upgrade to the Evogue? or X6? or Q7?

greenhulk:
At the bold, do u really wanna do this? U know it won't be in ur favor. And point of note. At brand new the range is twice the price of the Rx now check theor prices Nigeria used after 10 yrs. Nija used 2008 range Rover sport is sold for around 3 million, while 2008 used Rx 350 is srold for around 2.8 million (don't forget that at brand new the range costs twice the price of the Rx).

If u want a fairer comparison then check out how much naija used 2008 lexus GX 460 costs. That thing still sells for around 5 million naija used while a whole range sells for 3 million

\make we use nairaland do the COmpare nah I go throw my own now.

see Una here
https://www.nairaland.com/4781993/neat-nigerian-used-2007-lexus#71978105

HeavenlyBang:
1.Better quality control/assurance than any other car maker.
2. Proven technology that's less likely to break down.

Are you kidding me?
mayB you dont understand what I asked how on earth is that the components that makes a toyota more reliable than a BMW,
why dont you ask me same question and see my answers with pure techincal specification,

HeavenlyBang:
You're being obnoxious, erico2k2, and I'm not sure if it's on purpose.

Ever heard of The Toyota Way? If you haven't, read about it. It's the reason why Toyota cars are the most reliable on the planet. Toyota quality control is unparalleled.

Amount of technology in a car is inversely proportional to how reliable the car is. More tech equals more stuff likely to break down.

Toyota has gain an indubitable reputation for reliability by finding the perfect balance between tried technology and untried ones. Sometimes it means their cars a few years behind the curve, but that's a fine enough tradeoff if it ensures the cars last for much longer than something from the average marque. The fact that Toyota outsells every other car brand, pretty much in all markets of the world, is proof that that ideology is shared by millions of car buyers.

YOu guys keep throwing big grammer to confuse those not in the know, I asked a simple question, tell me waht RELIABILITY TOYOTA has in its true sense I will give you two each from BMW, Audi and my love Range Rover.

greenhulk:
First u tell me why many European cars lose their value at an alarming rate than jap mobiles. A good example, a used 2008 range Rover sports sells for average of $11,000. This is a car that sold for around $70,000 when it was brand new, so in 10 yrs it's losing around 85% of its value. Meanwhile a used 2008 Lexus RX 350 sells for around same $11,000 on average. This car sold for $37,000 when new, so in 10 yrs it lost around 70% of it's value. There's a reason for that.

Meanwhile a 2008 Lexus LX 570 sold for around $75k when brand new but on the used market it's still selling for above $23,000 holding well it's value. There's no point telling u which parts break up easily, the way these cars hold their value after many years and mileage is enough explanation.

this post of urs is a pointer to just o ne thing, Resale value, this are driven by market forces,Now this is not waht this topic was all about.Plz stick to the topic
In other news, plz check the cost of a 9ja used 2008 range rover sport and a 9ja used Rx350, whi is crap as it has no AUx inpute for starters,Has no parking aid, B4 U speak Im driving one as we speak given to me as curtsey car till my car get fixed.

sooperrescue:
BMW will not just overheat on its own except the cooling system is not very active. Some use water while some use Abro coolant and the oil too is a coolant and if you use the right oil for the BMW, unless the car suffers coolant loss regularly, there is no way it will overheat when all factors are in order. The brand is good but I happen to know that the ones bought locally are prone to reliability issues than the US specs. There is hardly anyone bringing in European specs of these cars anymore. it is US all the way and maybe you should adapt to the oils for these cars especially that your sweet e350. Use the US spec of the mobil 1. The benz too, if properly scanned will be showing from time to time, cylinder misfire. Be warned, na so them dey start. Dont go about changing plugs, low octane fuel is doing ts job. It is not only turbo charged that requires premium, the turbo require a higher premium that is why Benz will write on your fuel tank 91 RON minimum. AMGs uses 93 RON and it is a factor why these cars dont last on our roads

Thank you Oga Sooperr, U have said it all,Im still waiting for them to tell me waht makes the toyota reliable!WHich part the japs made that is so stron that wont brake ,I dey wait

greenhulk:
Here we go again. So the Highlander and LR4 are in tbr same class? Lol. How many SUVs do landrover make? The discovery which is the cheapest most practical SUV they have starts at around $50,000. So if I don't have that much I cannot own an SUV. While a Rav 4 starts at $29k or still get a Highlander for $35k, and not to mention the discovery is more likely to break down than the Highlander or Rav 4 (yes landrovers are one of the least reliable brands, we know how many of their range Rover and LR end up abandoned at mechanic workshop) while some sell theirs off at ridiculously cheap prices just to get the burden off them.

The same Toyota that made the Rav 4 and Highlander made the lexus RX 350 F sport which is better than the landrover Discovery in my opinion. The se model doesn't have leather seat and no reverse camera (yes, it doesn't have a reverse camera, u have to upgrade pay additional £7,500 to get that feature).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvArN_3qSIg

Meanwhile how can someone in his right mind compare a Toyota Highlander with landrover LR4. Very soon u people will compare a range Rover sport autobiography with Toyota Corolla. The same Toyota that made the $15,000 Yaris also made the Lexus LS which gives the Mercedes s class a run for it's money.

Range Rover autobiography might look more posh and luxurious than the LX 570 (I will still choose the range if it was me anyway), but there's a reason expantriates prefer the Lexus or land cruiser because they know they are less likely to break down on them while also providing considerable degrees of luxury and comfort.

All these are plenty grammer no need going i nto all these, keep it simple, name one tech in toyota that makes it reliable over a BMW or an Audo, for each I will give you two tech that makes the BMW and Audi more relaible with facts and figures.

greenhulk:
I just weak, he's talking about bmw engines used in jets, seriously? Is it only engine that makes a car break down? What about the electronics?

Ok which of the electronics name one PLZZZZZ,Im dying to know!

fabienjoe:
On the contrary, the more tech in a car, the more likely something is going to break. More tech means more complication. It affords more luxury and comfort but not necessarily reliability. This is a basic truth about cars. Read more about cars, their comparisons and reviews both by real owners and journalists...you may begin to understand the relationship between tech and reliability..

So tell me two things that makes the toyota reliable plz aside technology, I should use teh full word Technology

IamAtikulate:
Can we bet it? No VP from SW.

Make we dey look nah I have bookmarked this page!

IamAtikulate:
When it comes to Ndi Igbo every ediat would be forming an opinion. Where you aware that Ekweremmadu was the national leader of PDP and right before the senate floor APC offered through their Senate Leader offered him the 2023 Presidency? Where were you when Abaribe was holding ground at the Senate floor? Where were you when SE mounted the greatest civil protest against a sitting President. The Wike you are still shouting upandan is more related to Ndi Igbo than to SW and still understands the importance of SE to PDP.

Wike singlehandly denied SW the National Chairman and would still do the same again for the VP.

SW stupidity cost them the fighting chance when they handed Ekiti to APC. You can't reap where you didn't sow.

I am a core Atikulator, but we shall return Buhari if Atiku makes that mistake. If SW are not comfortable with Campaign DG then they should forget it.

Make we dey look nah E nor far, chey U go dey here, we go see who B Idiat then!

fabienjoe:
You are missing the point. We are not talking tech, neither are we talking gear or car parts or even car engine. We are looking at a whole car..Every test conducted has rated the Japanese cars as more reliable than the European vehicles. The fact that Europeans produce jet engines is not material to this argument.

Plz Explain to me waht makes one car reliable than another if not tech? is tech not responsible fo duribility? was it not tech and research that made Jaguar/Range rover build a whole car with Aliminum Chasis ro kill rust and reduce weight? Oh plz come with a better argument cos a Car i n whole is an Embodyment of TECH!

NIGHTMARE0O7:
So u now saying Lagosians vote are the reason he becomes president?
When he got blocked votes from SE and SS people?
U also forgot that 40% of lagosians are igbos and other tribes. ?
Why are u people like this

U keep 4getting when I talk about lagos, Im talking about the whole SW, Ondo,Ogun etc,.I have been in Lagos now for 2 weeks and lodged arround the political alley of lagos state,if U know ALausa very well Im sitting opp the scetariat,I can hear the gossips in the Barracks here,Even teh baracks where drinking beer 2 days B4 the Governor lost the prymarries.People of teh SW are not as silly as U may think.I also know the people of SE aint silly either!But this is Politics Logic only works not common sense

Doerstech:
Bro just drop one NAME....just one

This person does not need to be a Known person, just as our present VP was not known in 2015.He could be a Proff from Unilag who is a member of PDP.The fact is this, people frm teh SW will not vote forAtiku if the VP is frm teh SE but the SE will vote for Atiku if the vp is from teh SW,this is fact!there lies Politics, B4 you start screaming Afonja, Im from Delta state.

IamAtikulate:
You are a bittered soul. Your next VP is an Igbo man and then afterwards your President.

ahah U dnt get it do you,Even people from my state and the whole of the SS are not ready, let alone Igbo, let me enlighten you a bit, name one party that you have an Igbo man spearheading? as we speak even PDP is held together by Wike as we can see from rescent events.Igbos should grow thier own party I think you have one or two, grow it and make it appealing to other ethnic minorities, then you stand a chance, but in PDP and APC, Igbos do not stand a chance.Now this is matured reasoning,I hold no grudge against the Igbo but I think this is the best path for teh Igbos,

NIGHTMARE0O7:
This is the most lame a an d worst advice I have seen on this topic.
U mean same Lagosians that have put their brains inside the dirty boxers of just one man.
Tinubu
And owing to that fact that YORUBAS can't be trusted so can go against him anytime
Going along with him the brain of all YORUBAS

I don't think Atiku is that dump to make such decision

make we sidon look nahhh,U 4got it was still the votes frm teh Se GEJ came to be,.You think people like Tinibu realy cares about anyone else rather themselves ans he areas of interest?

IamAtikulate:
Do you know the win in Anambra is more than the win in all the SW states combined?

How did you xpect him to win in the SW when the SW is APC
the only way to steal the voted tehre is to pick from there, Igbo race is not ready for a FG NIgeria yet as it stands.

Doerstech:
This is strange but then who in Lagos? is it Agbaje or Ambode?

Nah he realy does not need to be a career politician ie Our present VP comes to mind.Its just a way of pulling votes.WHy do you think PMB chose Osimbanjo?

Eaugusta:
I personally suggest Okonjo Iweala

that would be frm teh East, he will lose the votes from the SW, ie lagos,This is the time for him to play real politics and put tribal sentiments aside.I can tell U if he goes to Lagos APC is doomed.cos he got the SS votes and reasonable votes from the Nort, East however will never vote APC.Last Election Delta state Alone delivered more votes to GEJ than Anambra and Imo combined.

[quote author=devindevin2000 post=72007887][/quote]U need help,U must think Im a yoruba man, but Im not Im probably more enlightened than your full generation whos only ambition is to sell spare parts!

greenhulk:
Toyota makes cars no parking aid lol. Maybe a Yaris because even the new Corolla hatch back had parking aid. Toyota might make features standard in other cars as options for affordability, but it's high time u people stop comparing luxury cars with some basic Toyota cars. Imagine a friend of mine that drives LR4 and he happened to get inside a Toyota Highlander and he used that as a yardstick to bash Toyota. As in how does a Highlander and LR 4 compare, why not Land cruiser or Lexus LX.

Well I said toyota, and yes TOYOTA, tell me any BMW,AUDI ro MErc that does that,Now you said your friend compared Highlander with LR4, now tell me waht SUV in EUrope that you will compare with the Low Higlander as said by you?Besides let me also ask you.Name one tech toyota invented that any other Auto makers copied plz.
as per cheap VW car, use the VW UP as a case study p lz.this is a small cheap car cheaper that the gulf VW made.

otukpo:
Atiku need to pick a running mate from the South West. That will give him an easy ride to Aso rock come 2019.

Already, the Northern votes will go to Atiku 70%
The South Eastern / South South votes will go to Atiku 90%

North central votes 90%

Where Buhari still has many sympathizers is in the South West. And that is mainly for Osibanjo.

A strong credible candidate for vp slot from the South West will scatter their votes

The South East can be given Secretary to the government. That will do for the region for now.

The collective target for now should be to send Buhari back to Daura.

This is my stand as well

Doerstech:
Yes, but he won't become even if Atiku goes East for VP..he needs someone with more clout

So it will be either of

Ngozi

Peter Obi

Soludo

or

Adedina.,....



It will be any of these 4...

if Atiku is wise, he better target a Lagosian as running mate, thats the only way he will win.If he picks anybody from the south or East He loses.U can quote me on this o ne anytime.

fabienjoe:
Spot on! In fact you are indulging these guys a lot. They always raise the issue of oil, 'Kazeem' and bad fuel. That does not apply. These comparisons are carried out in Europe and the US where cars are well cared for. The Japanese cars especially Lexus/Toyota and Honda always beat European cars in reliability. And European cars here include Mercedes Benz. BMW has never been marketed on reliability or no frills ownership. It is marketed purely on driving Dynamics and a lot of compromises are made on reliability to achieve this. Most European cars are over-engineered which means something is more likely to break than in an average Japanese with simpler manufacturing process. Truth is, old BMW's are money pits. In fact at the bottom of reliability ratings in Europe are still European vehicles like Rover(LR4, Range Rover) and Alfa Romeo.

I think you should own one of these BMW 325 TDI, then come back and judge relibility.YOu think its easy for the EU to build Engines thst fly 80% of our planes as we speak.The Gear Box of the 20012 up Range rovers are Jaguar and made in germany, they are the highest spec in teh world,THey rate number one when it comes to reliability.
SImply put, Toyota is cheap and affordable.2018, Toyota makes car no parking aid

greenhulk:
So somebody should carry wahala and put for head just because he wants to enjoy driving. Abeegi, if Nigerians are brainwashed then Americans are also brainwashed because Toyota will sell 20 cars before BMW sell 1 car in the US. As at 2017 bmw has 1.77% market share in the us while Toyota has 12.35% market share.

BMW make solid cars, with top class luxury and performance features, but u are better off buying them when new before parts start falling apart because those things are expensive to fix and bmw are not known for their reliability. Most cars that come into nigeria are used cars, some 10-15 and even 20 yrs old. So u cannot expect someone save to buy a used car to now come and go and buy a used bmw that will send him back to the village. If u are rich enough buy them and enjoy life, if ur a hustler better buy something that is more reliable and easier to fix.

Wrong, BMWs are expenssive than toyota, besides you are talking USA, come to the EU the reverse is teh case, even American Cars cant compet.the UK alone makes more car brand than Japan.Toyota does what we call mass production.

sooperrescue:
You know say na because of my friend AMbode, my friend, that is why I have not come to check out the first autobiography from London, that is why. Was is not in your workshop that I saw flying boat the other day? From your base on the Island to tincan by sea, na 30 mins. Abi traffic dey for river?

Hahahahh, flyinh boat ke ahaha

Dashboard mounted after extenssive wiring, I have to give it to these guys !

LeJeun3:


Big Man! We dey waka all corner....


Have to be at Tincan tomorrow morning. My container just landed....

Good luck with Tin CAn, my nyansh still dey pain me frm Aboki Bike I enter go offload the car frm container

UncleNnamdi:
Mr Man. There's nothing to discuss about.

She's ready and want to get married as a woman she is, that's her major priority and goal in that relationship for now, and I believe you have yours aswell.

Path ways if you aren't ready to marry her yet so that she'll settle down with someone else, while you get busy with your hustling priority until you are ready to settle down.

-Don't delay her and end up not marrying her.
-Also, don't let her drag and emotionally blackmail you into what you are not ready for.

It's a simple stuff. No time for Yama Yama.

Izza zimple azzat

diportivo:
ol' boy

the day I stumbled on this thread I shock oh

till oga eriko go ship innoson go UK allman no go sabi

and I don waka dat ladipo the the past two weeks sorry.....

Ahahahah

sooperrescue:
So the autobiography has entered the country without my permission. I need the steering column of that car. That is for settlement. Lejuen, do the necessary and report to me at once

Oga sooperrescue I hail U nah but based on Oga at the top U was busy with Ambode