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This is as poor as I have seen Arsenal FC play since I was born. Absolutely abysmal. If my Barca beat this team less than 4 goals at the Nou Camp, I'd be pissed.

Jesusgang:
@ Eruditor and everyone involved, please let's stop the argument on which post-secondary education is better on this thread. The aim of this thread is to provide elucidating information on ADMISSION AND STUDY PERMIT and not career path counselling.

Cheers guys.

While I understand your call for the thread to not be derailed I still think career path can form a basis for people's queries here. Atleast, they entertain questions like that on the USA thread and I am very sure such questions were being asked in the previous parts of this thread (6 and 7 in particular had people giving tips on living expenses, what to buy when there, career expectancies etc.)

IyaEjima:
Hi Eruditor,
I'll answer ur questions as asked
1. ENP-CC will NEVER fetch u a GA/TA/RA job as a student. Masters fetches scholarships/ tuition waivers as a new and current student (if u bend down and read of course) that PGCs will never give 1/2 of even if u make A+ all tru. (Something to consider with d rate of naira devaluation and d fact that not everyone have their parents as their sponsors)

2. As a Nurse (and for anyone in a regulated profession in Canada), u need licensure / to be registered to practice and to be eligible for PR/PNPs; PGCs won't give u d time to process all dat cuz d waka no be one day and before u knw it 8months (*2) is up and ur 3yrs PGWP may be spent on "labouke jobs" that will lead u nowhere. Masters buys u time to sit in Canada legally (u can even fast-track to PHD in most schools after ur first year and it's mostly tuition free cuz ur grades sampled u out) and process that cuz ur courses r spaced and not jampacked like PG courses.

3. International students don't go down that lane easily, even with a 2'1, thesis-based Masters admission process is terribly rigorous and sometimes not easy to get. I even applied for PGC cuz I got tired of waiting for my masters offer letter to come out, and PGC came out in 3wks. Plus Master of Nursing is difficult, I was told its IMPOSSIBLE so didn't even see any intl student to "follow down d route" sef but God helped me.

May I add that tuition was more expensive in PGC (in my case, may vary).
Lastly, let's stop deceiving ourselves with this "I'm going back to Nigeria to build d country" talk, even d VOS knw u ain't going nowhere, at least not without PR/passport if not we'll all be on d UK thread!
God bless!

Wow. Very educative!

IyaEjima:
I taya o! I switched from a PGC to a Masters Prog, and I knw lots of intl students who wish they could do same. Times r changing People! Just pray to God to bless ur hustle!! #WhoNoComeNoGoKnow#EndOfDiscussion#

I respect your opinion. But I feel people who would want to learn from you will want to know why the master's program (for your profession) is better than the PGC or PGD or any other Post-secondary 'degree' and not that you "just" switched because times are changing. The reason is that, it feels like you are appealing more to your own predilections than an objective, which any other person can aspire to.

I understand you are in the Nursing field and switched from a Conestoga enp-cc program to a thesis-based Masters in Nursing at the Uni of Manitoba.

1. Did you do it because of money: You earn better as a GA or something, plus your tuition is waived.

2. Because you feel the career prospects are better via this route?

3. Or because "International students" are going down that lane.

I am asking because this information will help someone else that may be trying to venture down this same career-path.

I believe this is what one gains from threads like this.

brandymcmb:
My guy e don do abeg

please let's continue with the healthy discussions, arguments and answers to questions so we and others can learn instead of throwing shades at each other

No problems bro. I won't engage her again.

Cheers.

Mizbaby:
I never scoffed at those with a 2:2, that was not me. Pls read through my posts.
So I'm bipolar because I'm a woman with an IQ obviously higher than yours so I must be bipolar Get off your high horse.
Anyway I made a mistake quoting you in the first place, I now know to leave fools well alone.
Pls wallow in your ignorance.
I'm sure of my trv so I'm off this thread

Cheers

Did I not agree with you that your IQ is higher than mine? I am assuming IQ means Idio.tic Quotient. You were tested off the chart. You'd even give William James Sidis a run for his money. High horse you said? Even with all my caveats, disclaimers and appeals to the OGs to come and elucidate properly? Or you think 'High Horse' refers to inebriated Equus caballus?

Please "F" off the thread. People want objective posts not emotional outbursts.

Mizbaby:
You are severely delusional. You have a serious problem differentiating between reality and fantasy.
I pity the person who has to feed and house you while you give advice to people about things you know nothing about.
Anybody that takes your ignorant advice has just lost his way.

LOL. You had a 3.59 and the effrontery to scoff at those who had a 2.2. Yet your degree is closer to a 2.2 than 1.1×2. You plan to spend the next 5 years of your life packing degrees in Canada like an average day in Venus, but accused others of trying to flee a sinking ship (the humble patriot implies that her country is a sinking ship). I don't even want to mention that someone married a bi-polar rabble-rouser. I can't keep reminding your husband about the biggest mistake of his life.

Mizbaby:
I don't think you have read through my previous posts well. Pls go back and read thoroughly.
From what you write I can see why getting an admission would be a problem for someone like you. I know my career path, you are the one who wants to get out out of this country because he believes there is a gold mine in Canada.
You don't even have 1m neither do you have any assets. You cannot even find a sponsor because you are so damn unfortunate you are surrounded by people just like you.
I'm sure you have been on this THREAD FOR YEARS and applied for trv countless times.
You won't even tell yourself the truth so how can you succeed in life.
Pls read through my previous posts very well.
We are not on the same boat.
Go and arrange your life before you turn guru here.

Talking about Jimi Agbaje as if you will reject an offer to be his gateman. Has anybody in your family contested for councilorship talkless of governor.

You are active in all the job vacancy threads and you don't know it's time to hit the prayer house.

Be here deceiving yourself not me.

Comic relief

I didn't know the shades I threw pained you like that o.

If Jimi Agbaje's gateman earns more than your bank statement per month, please let me know so I can apply ASAP. Who knows, in the next 20 years I would have way more than 25+M in my account and a beautiful daughter that won't be suffering from Bi-Polar disorder.

favour0011:
Hey bro... No need throwing shade. No one is an island of knowledge ... We learn new things everyday just like you have learnt some new stuff today. Let's move on and keep the thread peaceful. We should rather divert this energy into answering questions from newbies.. Have seen a couple today. Peace!!

Good energy about you. No issues man. Cheers.

Vorpal:
Huzzie, Eruditor
What of a business related course or a social science course like economics?
Would you advise a college or a university, for an undergraduate?

Sorry man, I don't know much about this line of schooling. I will ask a few people I trust and get back to you soonest.

Huzzie:
Engineering is one of those courses that people go to colleges to gain hands on knowledge. Where I'm doing my Coop, one of the bosses graduated from my school (Brock uni) and went to Niagara college for a diploma in same course. Likewise, most of the savvy in the engineering department are products of Niagara college.

I like your punchline from the bolded.

Cheers

Mizbaby, take a look at Huzzie's boss' profile. He was fleeing a sinking ship aye?

Thanks Huzzie for this.

Mizbaby:
Women differ. First find something tangible to do in Nigeria....like say; get a job ( I could help you in that area).
So that you will not have to join the bandwagon of advanced diploma candidates looking for anyway to dash out of Nigeria.
I love my country very much and I stated it in my SOP, I have a good career here and I have served my country well both home and abroad ( I attached visas to prove this in my SOP). What I want is to add to my cv. I'm not a rat fleeing a sinking ship.

You are the one with +1M in your bank account who vacillates between decisions. The jobs I consider as good enough will have me earning your bank statement each month. If you could give me such a job, you won't be rambling between a PGD and the Masters- you'd even be the girl of my dreams.

I can sense how patriotic you are- let's calculate it, 2 years for Masters, 3 years for Ph.D and then you'd come back to Nigeria to sell drugs for HealthPlus and in a few years run a couple failed gubernatorial bids like Jimi Agbaje.

You are the ultimate mentor with a stellar CV (resumé) in the making.

favour0011:
This is really misleading. Don't even know what to say to you. Let's rest this case pls

You are the guy that opted for a PGC last year and was rejected then switched to Western Ontario and hopes to get it this time? I can understand your fixation now on the masters.

Anyways, few OGs have shown me what and what were wrong in the post. Job prospects wasn't one of them

Huzzie:
Honestly, I was referring to everyone about the PGD vs Masters brouhaha not Mizbaby, I usually don't take sides in argument to allow me see reason in participants view. I have been on this forum for a long time and it is annoying to see the same argument regenerate from time to time. e.g. Does Canada share database with US, can the Embassy access the balance in ones account, PGD vs Masters etc.
I come here from time to time because this forum attracts me like insect to light. Usually, I work backstage through PMs and I have met some Nairalanders one on one here in Canada which excite me.
Anyways, we need more body to absorb this cold, make una do quick come abeg.
Cheers.

On the same boat man. I have nothing to or against any of the degrees. Just recently started researching about Canada as a contigency plan. Ofcourse the comparative advantage both degrees have over the other popped up in my research so I thought to chip in what I had understood and also learn from others. I didnt know there was a fasttrack PNP people with 1 year masters could use to gain PR until today if I hadn't read it here and even checked some of your posts before replying this one.

Just as you said, some courses are better understood via college programs because of how streamlined and hands-on they are, whilst some other courses are best done in Universities e.g Law. One just needs to know what aids one's career plans and may have better job prospects both within and without the country.

What I found risible was the fact that someone tried to suggest anyone who opted for advanced Diploma programs was doing so because of their lower first degree which could be the case, but not always.

I am an engineer with a very good first degree but the time I applied to Total and ExxonMobil for their Operator positions, they never shortlisted me because the position required someone more technically skilled- an HND holder to be precise. Now I may decide to head to Canada to get an advanced Diploma just to better my chances of breaking into the IOCs via 2 means (Operator or Trainee engineer) and I won't be amiss.

My advice is that every decision just has to be well-analysed because the grass is greener where you water it and not necessarily on the otherside.

Cheers.

E383:
And Eruditor types in pidgin.

Please, don't mention.

Mizbaby:
Lol, are you sweating? because I've got both the pgd and the msc so it's d best of both worlds if you get what I mean

Yes Mizbaby, I am (the days have been hotter won't you say?). If my plan in Nigeria clicks, I'd be able to send 2 of my mistresses to Canada. I like women like that

Mizbaby:
That post you made earlier still cracking my ribs. Did you actually read that before posting?

Glad I could humor you. Laughter is good for the soul, especially at moments when we are sweating over a career decision we were so sure was right before that now (based on new info) seems iffy.

Tell me, which of my posts cracked you up the most? The one that I said I 'stand corrected' or do you even know what the phrase means?

Huzzie:
Sorry, I wasn't clear with my comment,I meant that was what I did two years ago when I got to Canada.
I don't know if you got my PM request.


@ PGD vs Masters, there is no need for such argument if you are in Nigeria. Come into Canada to see things for yourself before making subjective argument about the seniority of one over the other. One thing we Nigerians are good at is trying to undermine others by saying one thing is better than the other. The simple truth about the Canadian system is that some courses are better instructed in a college while some are not because of the practicality involved; like vocational courses. We have to be very analytical in our argument to make it objective rather than subjective.
Anyways, nobody give a **** about your degree if you are exceptional at doing what you do. *Nigerians and inferiority complex are like bread and Iya Koffi's beans*. Chai i miss that beans.....Mizbaby reply to my PM or better still, answer my question here.

Cheers

You may not get that PM replied with this message o. Tell them Master's degree is senior to Associate degrees or else they'd accuse you of having 2.2.

Una for use the seniority buy house na.

shodexy:
you guys have commented well on this pgc/pgd versus masters thing.

I'll just say that there must be a sense of purpose in whatever one is doing.

You must also be able to convincingly prove to the VO's that you will return to ur home country if you cannot legally remain in canada after your studies irrespective of whatever program you apply for.

End of discussion....

See the highlighted point you made, it is epic. Bandwagon effect is the bane of many Nigerians. Looking for inflated degrees that adds little or nothing to their career plans, save ego-padding.

hayqinsbFX:
Why u go forget that kain tin na

That's why I kept putting the caveat: "I stand corrected. My statements are not set in stone". I just wanted each poser to be rebutted with facts and not emotive responses.

Imagine someone on here implying that some of us making these objective arguments are doing so because we have lower degrees. Isn't it comical?

I read a post from solo8 where he said even a professor of his went on to get 3 advanced diploma degrees after becoming a Professor because he wanted hands-on experience or so. That professor must have had a 2.2. LOL

Mizbaby:
I also advise, do a lot of research before posting.

You guys make a lot of emotional arguments on here. It acts as a comic relief atimes. Now is such a time.

Jesusgang:
@ Mizbaby, Eruditor and Hayqinsbfx

Most coys list Bsc as their minimum educational qualification for applicants and all other degrees will be added advantage. YOUR SKILLS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT. Also please take note that some coys reserve some positions for only PHDS.

@ Eruditor, a 2-year POST SECONDARY Education qualifies you for a 3-year PGWP as stated on CIC website.

Thank You @Jesusgang, you nailed it with POST-SECONDARY. I always thought the 3-year PGWP was for just college grads forgetting that even the masters qualifies as Post-secondary.

Mizbaby:
You are assuming that everyone that applies for a study permit has immigration as their prime reason. This is what VO's also assume and that is the reason every application is scrutinized thoroughly especially that of pgd applicants.
VO's know that pgd programs are comparatively easier to get and as such most unemployed persons with little prospects in Nigeria can get hold of this admission for the sole purpose of fleeing the country.
These are not genuine prospective students.
Experience has also taught these VOs that when these people graduate and can't find a job, they become a menace to their society because they have nothing to return home to.
Why then do you think masters applicants are given preference? If they will not be able to find jobs when they graduate?
A PhD holder who can't get a decent job in Canada will most likely have a PR. He does not necessarily have to be remain in Canada. These are those who become citizens and can live anywhere in the world that they wish to.
Also number 5 makes no sense, a 2 year masters program gets you a 3 years PGWP same thing with the 2 years in college.

I don't think the emboldened is true. I stand corrected if wrong.

hayqinsbFX:
number 3 is absolutely gibberish.

I will say a diploma or advanced diploma has more advantage than a PGC or MAsters....

1)As someone said, college education prepares one for the target work while a masters is more for people who wants to be in the education line.
2)As foreigners that we are in canada, we all know that a canadian with an advanced diploma stands more chance than you with a PHD...so if you intend to stay in canada and work a college diploma or advanced diploma gives you more options to start with.

3) Most masters and PHD graduates( as i've read on this forum) tend to settle for jobs lower than their qualification just for the sake of staying in Canada (So why the hastle).....NB: there are lucky ones though..

4) As a masters or PHD graduate in Canada you tend to be over qualified for majority of the jobs as 80percent of employers and okay with advanced diploma graduates from colleges.

5) its true a masters offers an easier route to PR...this in itself is not automatic you have to be in the right province and have met the requirements.....But after 2years in a college you could get a PGWP and the a PR....(so why cant i chill)


I feel College students face more scrutiny during visa processes because the VO knows that the qualification is more or less mostly useful for you in Canada than in your home country...( Nigeria where masters sef never see Job you come talk say na PGC you wan collect to see job).
A masters or above is more useful for you in your home country than in Canada

I share reasoning with most of what you said.

Be that as it may, the VOs are human even if some are trained psychologists. You have to also factor in that some Nigerians just submit really bad and shallow applications.

The Canadian embassy is mandated to allow 250k immigrants every year to keep their population growing and balanced. Following the Syrian crisis and the need to accept refugees that number has reduced by 10%. This means VOs worldwide are hand-tied to show more scrutiny in approving visas and as such the increase in rejections is not aberrant.

Whether Msc benefits one in their own country albeit plausible, is neither here nor there and very dependent on some fields. In O and G for example, all the IOCs as well as NNPC and NLNG have positions for advanced Diploma holders. They do not tamper with these positions at all, so that even if one has a bachelors or higher, they will still recruit only advanced Diploma holders into those positions.

It is now left for the applicant of the visa to be able to convince the VO that such positions will become available to him/her on acquiring the Diploma in Canada.

NB: the VOs know also that their diploma programs are better than ANY Bachelors or Masters program in Nigeria with the testament that some Canadian citizens with higher degrees are well-known to still apply to colleges to get same diplomas.

Mizbaby:
Number 2. What do you mean by less reasons and time to stay in the country?
What better reason do I have than to finish my thesis-based msc program and start a PhD which is my target?
I don't get these your points at all.
My msc program costs 9k per year and my pgd costs 15k for a year.
I get offer of stipends for d msc and a co-op of just 3 months for d pgd.
Number 3. also makes no sense.

There were deviations to my post and your number 2 is one of such.

1.Clearly, thesis-based Msc programs last for atleast 2 years which necessitates a longer spell in the country than some taught-based programs that are just for a year. Pushing for the Ph.D afterwards is also within that scope and sure enough the PR too is within scope.

So let us put 2 years on the Msc and 3 years on the Ph.D. How is this (5 years) a shorter time to get the PR when juxtaposed with a 2 year college program with 3 years work permit in which the PR can be got at the end of the 1st year of the work permit?

And after the Ph.D what are the job prospects going to look like? On average, Research based programs are more suited for R& D or Academia. That's what I read online. It could be wrong.

2. Your Msc costs that low because most if not all thesis-based programs are subsidised. I am even surprised you have that much to pay in a year. Most of the people I know had their complete tuitions waived- but this ONLY applies to thesis-based Mscs. No taught-based program grants one such luxury.

This is an aside from the fact that your case is not the consensus (hence why I said ON AVERAGE Masters programs cost more than college programs). It is not even close. Google is your friend.

brandymcmb:
Guy please do a lot of research before posting stuff on here

98% of what you wrote up there is wrong info

Because if someone takes a cursory look at my posts and yours they will come up with the notion that I do less research?

Mehn, come off your emotional horse and rebut facts with facts. All I need to claim now is that I have lived in Canada for 20 years and then say that Canada has a GDP higher than the USAs and some people will believe me.

Appeal to the facts and not your history on this thread.

favour0011:
Some universities are cheaper tho. Like mun and U of R. But looking at the bigger picture, most Nigerians use the study visa just to emigrate to Canada..lol. The main target is PR then later citizenship and studying a masters will make it quicker to get your PR. On the other hand, I also think you are correct about colleges giving better preparation for work purposes. They are both good but generally I think masters has more benefits even right from visa application as we must have seen here already.

I am surprised the OGs of the house haven't corrected you.

1. On average University education is far more expensive than college education. U of R and MUN may only appear cheaper for courses whose terms last for 1 year. Other than that colleges are way cheaper.

2. Studying masters is not an easier way to get PR at all. The reason is simple: you have less reasons and time to stay in the country to qualify for that and even if you did, most of the PR sponsored programmes favor those who have reason to stay longer in the country which masters doesn't afford (atleast not more than colleges).

3. College education gives you a chance to get a 3-year work permit. No masters programme warrants the Canadian embassy to give anyone more than the said 1 or 2 years. Now I'm not saying those who undertook their masters in Canada were forced to leave immediately but on average college students stayed longer.

Perhaps some of my facts may not be set-in-stone. But that's the general consensus based on even quotes from here and my personal research.

Madam, please waste part of your loot in paying rich SANs. In the next 2 years I guarantee you'd have chowed halfway into your loot.

When you are done, APC will sue you for all the baseless comments you made about their party.

What is sauce for the Goose, is sauce for the Gander.

plaetton:
So Dele Momudu has joined the blame train, huh?


Big laugh.

It's no longer GEJ, no longer God, no longer Babangida. It's now time to blame the government technocrats in the federal civil service for all the early failures , national embarrassments, hanky pankys, and lack of direction in Buhari's leadership ?

Big laugh indeed.

The first rule of leadership is taking full responsibility.

These daily deflections of responsibility shows that there are no leadership traits in Buhari and his band of budget-eating Locusts.

Please recommend another leader and prove yourself to be all the words you hurl at Dele Momodu.

plaetton:
Without even finishing the article, let me say that Dele Momudu is a mor.on, one of our numerous flaky intellectuals and half thinkers, who simply play to the gallery, the political gallery.

A journalist , a pseudo-intellectual who proudly calls himself " a Tinubu boy" should not be taken seriously on any political discourse.

First correction:
Buhari is NOT our great leader.

There is absolutely NOTHING in Buhari's past or resume that remotely earns him the appellation of " our great leader"
Anyone that calls Buhari " our great leader" at this point in his stewardship is a CERTIFIED ASxx KISSER.

Second correction:
Buhari himself, while in London last week, did not mince words in lamenting the heaviness of his burden and his confusion and dizziness to confront them.
In other words, he is admitting that statecraft is much more than he bargained for and telegraphing his confusion and incapability.
If Dele Momudu says that he sees the opposite in Buhari, then surely, either Buhari was lying or Dele Momudu is lying or simply delusional.

Third correction.
Buhari became a major general not because of any outstanding academic , intellectual or leadership credentials. In Nigeria, we all know that what it takes to become a major general.
Do not pretend that you do not know.

To affirm a point you are trying to make, Buhari is a lonely man simply because he is being true to his nature.
He has surrounded himself with his geriatric brethren, oh- yes men , cheerleaders and praise singing journalists cum pseudo-intellectuals like yourself.

Buhari is not hardwired for pluralistic views and opinions. There is no one in Buhari's inner circle of geriatrics that would tell truth to power.
He has already sidelined people much smarter than himself, such as the Finance Minister, the CBN governor, etc.

The very fact that despite the putrid air emanating from the budget fraud fiasco currently engulfing the Nation, Buhari has neither addressed the issue publicly nor has he began to clean his house is all the proof that Buhari neither has the liver, the intellect, the wisdom nor the political will to confront and deal with the complex issues of statecraft.

Now, let me continue reading the op.

So many words. Nothing said. Pseudo-intellectualism is a disease.

kokaneprodigy:
If he does, good but it sure won't be an easy ride for him in epl that's my point.
But do you think he'll have the monopoly of big players in EPL compared to la liga and Bundesliga? Answer on a phablet.

There is no monopoly. Some players just like some clubs better than others. Arsenal would have matched Bayern pound for pound for Lewandowski, but Lewa preferred Bayern. Bayern would have matched Barca for Neymar but he preferred Barca. Man United could have outbidded Arsenal for Ozil, but Mesüt had already been in talks with Wenger by 2010 (even before he went to RM) so he already preferred Arsenal. Alexis and Liverpool/ Arsenal etc. The list is endless.

There are some players that will agree to come to city only because Pep is there as the coach. So really, there is no monopoly.

kokaneprodigy:
it won't even still guarantee them, one thing about Epl team is the fact majority of them clubs can compete in the transfer market.
So it ain't lopsided like la liga and Bundesliga and the French league.
I recently checked the top 20 richest clubs in Europe and found 8 epl teams there, leaving the remaining 12 spots for the other leagues in Europe to share.
It'll interest u that westham made the list and Tottenham the 7th epl team to make the list is richer than Athletico madrid the third riches in Spain.
Reason You'll always find one or two quality players in every team in Epl.
My point is, he won't be the only active manager in the transfer market in England unlike Spain and Bundesliga where Barca, Real Madrid and Bayern respectively take the best players the league gat to offer and leave the crumbs for others.

You will use your own overintelligence to trap yourself. If signing big players is no guarantee of winning the EPL, will you finally give him his credit when/if he signs "big players" and still wins the EPL? Answer on a tablet.