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MuttleyLaff:Well you are the biblical "guru".... |
MuttleyLaff:Ok... |
MuttleyLaff:Ok sir, So I have to believe your analysis 100 percent? |
Good analysis. I often feel as if the words, "just trust me", "do you not trust me", or " you need to trust me", have been abused heavily. My red flag goes into "high alert" when I hear those words. No one is obligated or be emotionally manipulated to "blindly trust" any human being that one has just met. Trust has to be "earned" and "received". That is done through developing a relationship over time...through two mutually agreeing parties. But you know, as humans, we make plenty mistakes..right now we are still fallible and corruptible. So I'm learning to look at people for who they are. I don't place as high expectations on faulty humans..cause we all will "mess up" at times. I am learning, daily, that my complete and utter trust belongs only to God. Here are a few scriptures that remind me of that. Psalm 118:9 (KJV) 9 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in princes. Proverbs 3:5 (KJV) 5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. Psalm 34:8 (KJV) 8 O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him |
CreepyBlackpool:Does that include Nairaland? Christians or "any" religious sect? Will you please state your reasons? |
MuttleyLaff:Don't know if that is the "main" lesson, but I'll definitely agree about our crucial need to guard against the "trio" for sure. |
TundeKorede:God bless...thank you sir. |
MuttleyLaff:Ok..I wanted to address these points sir...if you don't mind. 1). Sorry...I meant that I expected the "gif" to be making an appearance..and you didn't disappoint me. Nice one by the way. 2). Was Samson a Philistine? Or was he of a Godly heritage that forbid him from marrying non-believers? Did they serve the same God? 3).Did Samson lose his first wife because he strayed or because she was taken away from and given to his friend as payback for him destroying Judges 14:15-19 (KJV) 15 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they said unto Samson's wife, Entice thy husband, that he may declare unto us the riddle, [/b]lest we burn thee and thy father's house with fire: have ye called us to take that we have? is it not so? [b]16 And Samson's wife wept before him, and said, Thou dost but hate me, and lovest me not: thou hast put forth a riddle unto the children of my people, and hast not told it me. And he said unto her, Behold, I have not told it my father nor my mother, and shall I tell it thee? 17 And she wept before him the seven days, while their feast lasted: and it came to pass on the seventh day, that he told her, because she lay sore upon him: and she told the riddle to the children of her people. 18 And the men of the city said unto him on the seventh day before the sun went down, What is sweeter than honey? And what is stronger than a lion? and he said unto them, If ye had not plowed with my heifer, ye had not found out my riddle. 19 And the Spirit of the Lord came upon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, [/b]and took their spoil, and gave change of garments unto them which expounded the riddle. [b]And his anger was kindled, and he went up to his father's house. Judges 15: 1-3, 5-6 (KJV) 1 But it came to pass within a while after, in the time of wheat harvest, that Samson visited his wife with a kid; and he said, I will go in to my wife into the chamber. But her father would not suffer him to go in. 2 And her father said, I verily thought that thou hadst utterly hated her; therefore I gave her to thy companion: is not her younger sister fairer than she? take her, I pray thee, instead of her. 3 And Samson said concerning them, Now shall I be more blameless than the Philistines, though I do them a displeasure. 5 And when he had set the brands on fire, he let them go into the standing corn of the Philistines, and burnt up both the shocks, and also the standing corn, with the vineyards and olives. 6 Then the Philistines said, Who hath done this? And they answered, Samson, the son in law of the Timnite, because he had taken his wife, and given her to his companion. And the Philistines came up, and burnt her and her father with fire. So Muttley, (although Samson began the journey toward fulfilling his purpose) I'm just saying that in those above mentioned series of tragic events, I wonder if some of that could have been avoided had he not inter-married? Lessons are to be learned (as ensamples) for us modern-day Israelites, you know. Well, fortunately, Samson will be in the Kingdom, which is the good news. |
MuttleyLaff:Yes...I expected this from you sir. I think I had been looking at some of the story in the wrong manner. Maybe I could be looking too deeply. I just was wondering if Samson specifically had to marry a Phillistine in order to defeat the Phillistines in that earliest scenario. Or could he have married from his own people, and still gone down to Timnath and defeated the Phillistines. He didn't get to keep his first wife even after his conquer correct? I was wondering if he had a "lust of the eye" problem before he met Delilah...or did that come later. It's important to me because sometimes we can be called to do something by God, but veer off the track on our way to doing our calling. Or do it the way we "think" God has told us... Ex. Abraham/Sarah/Hagar/Ishmael (father of nations blessed through his seed scenario). |
The title immediately caught my attention. The subject is soooo very important in this world. Long read..lots going on, but I applaud your effort in tackling this issue. I get what you were trying to say but needed to be a little more organized. Are you speaking about Christians whose consciences become "seared" after a series of backslidden, unconfessed and unrepentant sin and inability to heed the Holy Spirit's warnings? OR are you speaking about non-believers who have walked so long in unbelief pertaining to the reality of an omnipotent and omnisicient God and their need of Him? Having a moral barometer (with Christ as lead) as opposed to having a moral barometer (without Christ)...doesn't seem to be the same thing. One relies on "self" just being a good person...doing the right thing. The other knows that only Christ can keep the person from "falling". I don't know that morality would even exist if there was no spiritual blueprint already established centuries ago... I often wonder how people can commit such atrocities and not have a single bit of remorse? To me, the conscience, in MOST cases has been seared. It's not just the sins of commissions (murder, stealing, adultery, fornication etc.) the ones we see.. It's the sins of omission (pathological lying, false accusations, spreading rumors, slandering/destroying someone's character with "0" evidence, creating false narratives, envy, jealousy, unforgiveness, hatred etc.,) that often are even just as deadly. These sins that destroy people's families...mercy. So many people do these things with not one bit of remorse...and even justify it. If no confession and repentance, the conscience has been "seared" and another spirit has taken over. Mercy...to have a heart like Jesus...to have a heart like Him. |
solite3:Yes...I wasn't saying that he was less righteous. I was saying that he chose to make bad decisions on some occasions. Since Delilah didn't force him to do it, then he had a role to play in his "falling". He allowed lust to overtake him each time. But did he sin by sleeping with Delilah those times? |
MuttleyLaff:I agree thay Delilah was not God's choice for Samson. That was Samson's lust that motivated his choice. God had laid in Samson's heart to deal with the Philistines..but I was just wondering if he had to marry a Philistine in order to attack the Philistines? His parents thought that he just wanted to marry from the heathen...not knowing the full gist of what was to happen. Was just thinking about that. Not trying to cause confusion about the scripture though, but I probably need to research more to get clarity on that because it is important to me. |
sacx:Sir, Well I wrote about my choice...which has some religious influence. That is undeniable. However, I also gave the other side of the coin...those Christians who may not choose to give them up. I appreciate you replying. |
taiyeayodeji:With respect to the pastor, perhaps he's truly convicted on that particular area...and I'm not judging him for that. Believe it or not, there are ways to even dress appropriately based on different climates... Yes, there are some extremely harsh weather seasons that sometimes may require certain clothing choices. |
Brethren0001:God bless....and thank you sir. |
I do not believe that clothes (in particular, "pants" wearing) are a "salvational" issue. After a brief struggle, I personally, discarded my "pants" collection years ago. The interesting thing was that I never even wore fitted pants...or too-tight pants. I understand that God's people should dress differently than the world, but I am not quite sure, that threatening the loss of Heaven based on "pants-wearing" is appropriate. 1 Sam. 16:7 "......for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart." Proverbs 6:16-19 (KJV) 16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (KJV) 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. HOWEVER, the Lord exclusively deals with the "heart". When He transforms a sinner into a saint, there are noticeable changes that begin to take place...through sanctification. The Holy Spirit begins His work. Example: A lady who perhaps used to wear extremely "tight" or "form-fitted" pants (which include professional, blue-jeans, or casual) will gradually buy less tight or a higher-sized pair of pants so that she is not misrepresenting who she is. She may eventually figure out that pants no longer work for her and that appropriately "fitted skirts/dresses" are more appropriate for her. When Christ gets ahold of a person, and he/she truly understands who he/she belongs to, change will take place...gradually..but eventually. Not every Christian woman, though, will feel convicted about the "pants-wearing" issue. So if a Christian woman chooses to continue wearing pants, then they should be fitted appropriately. I love this motto that I heard from a minister: Whatever is worn should be "loose" enough (pants/shorts/shirts/skirts/dresses), "high" enough (shirts that cover chest area), and "low" enough (skirts/dresses)...to cover business." |
First, I respect your right to your opinion. You've said some very interesting and true things about the Lord. That's awesome that you are getting to truly know Him for yourself...aside from just tradition. Just hoping that in your "knowing", you aren't removing yourself from the body of Christ. I wonder though, if by saying the following: "He despises small prayers and people with trust issues", you meant people with small dreams, small faith? Because folks could misinterpet that statement if you meant differently than what I wrote. Just wondering why you used the word "mishap" of being born into a Christian home? If you had been born into another religion, would that have been a mishap also? Are you referring to "religion" as a whole as a mishap? However, in light of getting to truly know Him personally, through relationship, and gaining peace from your Heavenly Father, wouldn't it be more appropriate to change "worst" to "best"? John 10:10 (KJV) 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. Trust me, when you have had enough experiences in life, there will be a lot of "worst" things to come which will require that faith in your newfound relationship with the Lord. |
[quote author=sonmvayina post=84152985]Sonmvayina, I thought the thread's question was directed at "Christians"? Sir, please and kindly do not be disrespectful on here. If you do not believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, then continue creating your own threads (as you are doing) where you can bash him there. |
For me, the concept of Christianity was just a tradition, until I had an actual personal experience that made me believe Jesus exists. It was no supernatural, eye-popping, extra-terrestrial, "thunder on the mountain" , dramatic type of thing...although for some folks, it does happen that way. I simply prayed a prayer of faith for the Lord to direct me in a specific decision...and He did. He answered my "faith" prayer in such an undeniable way that I become a true believer. Three things were necessary in my case: I was sincere, it was time, and I was ready to receive. There was no possible way that I could accredit His leading to a human being. I have, since my conversion, experienced many faith-filled situations where only Jesus could receive the glory. With that, my faith continues to build. The thing is this: nobody can convince an "unbeliever" to believe... The Holy Spirit has to do so.. What professors of Christ must do is "plant the seed", let the Holy Spirit "water it", and pray that hearts will sincerely and humbly open to His invitation. |
HedwigesMaduro:Sir/madam, You are correct. I was wanting someone to bring this up. Judges 14: 3,4 (KJV) 3 Then his father and his mother said unto him, Is there never a woman among the daughters of thy brethren, or among all my people, that thou goest to take a wife of the uncircumcised Philistines? And Samson said unto his father, Get her for me; for she pleaseth me well. 4 But his father and his mother knew not that it was of the Lord, that he sought an occasion against the Philistines: for at that time the Philistines had dominion over Israel. It's clear that Samson had a purpose/ calling from God...and was aware of it. But it may have been possible, that, in his desire to accomplish that purpose, he "veered off of the narrow pathway" at times to fulfilling the purpose by surrendering to temptation ...(the women). That is my thought (and I could be wrong), but I do not see this as a "Hosea/Gomer" (where Hosea actually was commanded by God to marry Gomer--as an illustration between God and his wayward bride--the Church) type of situation. |
jcross19:I think you may have mistakenly thought that I was mocking the story. I, in no way, was, am, or would ever do that. Please let me be clear: I profess Christ as my Lord and Saviour. I, wholeheartedly, believe the Holy Bible..just as it is. My question had to do with the insinuation (from what I gathered) that blame belonged on the woman moreso, than acknowledging Samson's series of questionable judgments. |
MuttleyLaff:I appreciate you quoting me because I had to go back and re-read some parts of the post that I hurriedly read and didn't quite catch the full meaning. I was moreso engrossed in the faith/works issue portion of his post....but I should've read through more slowly, the entire post, because I disagree with some of it. I don't deal well with confusion nor do I want to confuse anyone either. I don't believe that Lucifer's rebellion was based on jealousy towards humans being lifted higher than angels cause the scripture says the following about 1). humans/angels hierachy 2). Lucifer's rebellion of "pride" : (Hebrews 2:7) 7 Thou madest him-(Jesus)- a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: (Isaiah 14:14) l-(lucifer-)will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Lucifer did, however, convince 1/3 of the angels that God was "unfair", but it was clearly because he wanted God's position...not based on human elevation above angels... I actually think that angels (who are not like us), are enthralled by human beings in general, because of the great controversy going on between good and evil..the journey to becoming joint heirs with Christ for eternity. We're no different than the generations before us..except maybe the temptations are more visible and rampant. |
solite3:Well, you are partly right about the "sad story of a man", who ultimately fulfilled his purpose --albeit indirectly and tragically--and will be in the Kingdom (Hebrews 11:32). Did Samson, a Godly man, however, "fall" or "walk" into the arms of a "strange woman"? Judges 13:7 7....and no razor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: Judges 14: 1,2 1And Samson went down to Timnath, and saw a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines. 2 And he came up, and told his father and his mother, and said, I have seen a woman in Timnath of the daughters of the Philistines: now therefore get her for me to wife Judges 16:1,4 1Then went Samson to Gaza, and saw there an harlot, and went in unto her 4 And it came to pass afterward, that he loved a woman in the valley of Sorek, whose name was Delilah. So, in light of Samson's strengths, could you also say that he had some weaknesses which played into his final, early and tragic demise? |
MODIFIED SLIGHTLY OP, You have an understanding here (of the faith/works) that many have not yet fully grasped. The angels do marvel at us humans.. and this controversy of "life on planet earth." I also, like your explanation of a faith-based works (James 2:26)...in terms of appreciation for the gift of salvation (through faith in Christ), yet understanding that professors of Christ, still must live accordingly. That takes prayer, the Holy Spirit's guidance, and then an "effort(s)", "action(s)" etc. in multiple scenarios and circumstances. We don't become "more than conquerors through Christ," by just sitting on clouds, twittling our fingers, resting in the FALSE concept of "once saved, always saved" (which is abusing God's grace and living presumptiously) while simultaneously daydreaming about how we would love to live eternally. Even Christ had to "do" something (as difficult a struggle as it was-Luke 22:42) in order to make our gift of salvation complete and available: die on the cross for our sins. The reality is, if a person does not want to receive the gift of eternal life AND live accordingly, then he/she will not receive it. What a person wants (shown through his/her actions), is what he or she will get. |
I don't think that anyone is arguing that Lucifer,(former highest archangel and later named satan after his fall), was NOT created by The Creator...the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel. Every living thing on the planet originates from God (although sin has marred us)...if you believe in the Word of God...the "Am That I Am". The issue is how "sin" (pride) arose in a perfect being...in a perfect place....how he went from being "perfect" to being a despicable, wicked and evil entity. |
Gracealone, I agree with you. "Deliverance" ministry is not something I would probably engage in (even if it was present in my church...which it is not). Church is not just about how we can selfishly enjoy ourselves like a social club. The main purpose of the church is to edify/ encourage the saints so they can be better equipped to preach the gospel. Ephesian 4:12 (KJV) "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ". Matthew 28:19 (KJV) "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost." Not saying that some saints may have the gift of "healing", the Holy Spirit can absolutely "deliver" a person all by Himself if need be..and instantly. I've met people who, once they truly surrendered to Jesus Christ, instantly stopped engaging in sinful behaviors and negative spirits (anger, smoking, drinking, sexual pervesity, etc.) People should remember Christ' mission on earth and what He wants for His "bride=church" to replicate. |
That's really unfortunate. Something about the name "Jesus"...that incites such a reaction of hatred and brutality. I figured he was either in "ignorance" or "rebellion". He's not the first to do that nor will be the last. I think God is moreso saddened than anything, because He knows that in that Book is life, freedom, and peace..if the man would just be humbled enough to search. God knows the ending, while we do not yet. Hopefully, the man will be one of the miracles that will be seen in the Kingdom one day. |
drakeli:I understand you totally. However, there are ways for females to wear appropriately lengthed skirts/ dresses even in harsh climates. The skirts/dresses may have to be made (if they cannot be found in the stores) but it can be done. There are fabrics such as (wool and corduroy) are specifically designed for cold climates. Also women wear leggings, tights and other apparell that can cover/insulate the legs very well under skirts. The limbs should be covered. The issue is the length and fabric of the skirts/dresses. Obviously, mini-skirts and short dresses would be inappropriate in cold-weather climates. But I get what you are saying that there are appropriate situations for women wearing pants. |
I don't think women "must" wear pants, but "like" and "choose" to. I think it has to do more with the culture and its incredible grip on society. Now I think this thread is geared more towards Christian women, so (in that sense), I know the age-long debate about "pants" allegedly being a salvational issue. I do not believe that clothes (in particular, "pants" wearing) are a "salvational" issue. 1 Sam. 16:7 "......for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart." HOWEVER, the Lord deals with the "heart". When He transforms a sinner into a saint, there are noticeable changes that begin to take place. The Holy Spirit begins His work. Example: A lady who perhaps used to wear extremely "tight" or "form-fitted" pants, will gradually buy less tight or a higher-sized pair of pants so that she is not misrepresenting who she is. She may eventually figure out that pants no longer work for her and that appropriately "fitted skirts/dresses" are more appropriate for her. When Christ gets ahold of a person, and they truly understand who he/she belongs to, change will take place...gradually. If a Christian woman chooses to continue wearing pants, then they should be fitted appropriately. I love this motto that I heard from a minister: Whatever is worn should be "loose" enough (pants/shorts/shirts/skirts/dresses), "high" enough (shirts that cover chest area), and "low" enough (skirts/dresses)...to cover business." |
Ihedinobi3, Thank you sir for your testimony. Very nice. I will look through your mentioned links soon enough. I appreciate you explaining your spiritual journey (complete with the fact of pride and then the gift of humility). The more I, personally read His word, the more I realize that knowledge, wisdom and understanding are such tremendously precious gifts...and that I have to continually be open to humbly receive them. Muttleylaff, Thank you sir for your reply also. I am in agreement with both of you that the "book" isn't relevant to the Word of God as has been passed down through the ages. My concern is the distraction being on things that have no power to "save". We need to be concerned on what the Word already contains and not look for ways to doubt and discredit Christ' Word... (cause that's what it ultimately does). One thing is for sure: Enoch (of Gen.5) has chosen eternity just through the example of his daily life. He's already made his "calling and election sure." That's a nice blueprint for me. |
Preciousgirl:I think the fact that you have doubts about it, should suggest that there is a problem. You haven't committed adultery (which is sin) just yet, but it looks like you might be on the track towards it. Respect should be given to your spouse first and foremost. You made a vow to be faithful to him. Your emotions shouldn't be so entrenched in someone who is not your husband. You know where it's gonna go if you don't end your ties to the person. Sometimes, the only way is to "cut-off" temptation..because truth be told: humans aren't always as strong as they think. It's challenging to be involved in a platonic friendship with the opposite sex without someone developing feelings..which the majority of the time happens. I would've suggested you and your husband being joint friends (if possible) with your male friend supposing he has a significant other or spouse, but that may still be a temptation for you. You may need to explore why you get such emotional fulfillment with the "friend" (if that is the case) rather than your husband, who should be your best friend. IF there is a problem, perhaps you two could seek pastoral and/or Christian-led professional help. You are married, so you have an obligation to your husband only. You need to guard the circle of your marriage, by placing boundaries that you, yourself, won't cross no matter how tempted. |