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davidylan:
and pray what would be your own "level of knowledge" on immunobiology? I just had to read this a second time . . . my dear - evolution is but a theory that depends on science to validate it. it is NOT a science of its own. That is why you can take immunology or biology as major's in college but you cant go take evolution as a major now can you? Big diff there.

Secondly, immunology is simply the "logy" or study of the immune system i.e. how your body equips itself to fight off foreign antigens while recognizing self-antigens long enough to prevent triggering autoimmune diseases . . . what has that to do with evolution?

You folks should put your heads in cold water . . . you zeal to "prove david wrong" is driving you to make me wonder if you ever stepped into a classroom in your lives. And to think these are the "scientific" atheists . . .

You previously made the unbelievably stüpid claim that "immunology has nothing to do with evolution". I have only one response: T-Cell maturation.

If you had even a basic understanding of the workings of human cellular immunity you would not need any further explanation. But since you and I know that you're at best a lowly lab technologist (or perhaps a cleaner who happens to work in a lab) I suggest you go and dust off both your immunology textbooks, read a little, let the knowledge settle into your lab technologist mind, then come back and face me.

*Hint: If the textbook grammer is too hard to understand, maybe you should try wikipedia.

So if an old lady claims to have supernatural powers or to have killed people you'll instantly believe that she's a witch? What if it was a young guy, would you still believe? Now what if the young guy was claiming something else like he was the Obong of Calabar, would you believe him? Would you believe if he told you that he was Isaiah or Mohammed or Jesus?

Why is it so hard for Nigerians to accept that just because someone says something, doesn't mean its true regardless if if that person believes it. Haven't you people heard of mental illness before? Why are so many of us so happy to revel in ignorance and superstition? Why are so many of us so proud of being backward? I wish I could believe that Nigerians are a great people but the evidence shows that the majority of us are really, really dûmb.I could believe that Nigerians are a great people but the evidence shows that the majority of us are really, really dûmb.hy are so many of us so happy to revel in ignorance and superstition? Why are so many of us so proud of being backward? I wish I could believe that Nigerians are a great people but the evidence shows that the majority of us are really, really dûmb.I could believe that Nigerians are a great people but the evidence shows that the majority of us are really, really dûmb.

kandiikane:
Please, answer the questions. . .

I already answered all your questions in detail on pages 2 and 3 of this thread. Feel free to go back and read them. Or you could just look through my posting history.

If you want to use you profession or status to prove your point, then you should be prepared to sacrifice annonymity. Don't expect us to believe any of your claims unless you can show some proof (which is the main difference between athiests and theists).

Also, I haven't failed to noticed that our so-called "pubMed cited scientist" has failed to provide even a single link to a scientific study supporting his argument. Is it that none exists, or does he not know how to use google?

Enigma:
David, I will recommend please don't grant the request. I'm sorry to the requester and I mean no disrespect ----- but David should only do it if he accepts that his anonymity is indeed likely to be compromised ultimately.

Abeg, please! This clown davidylan comes here making dismissive and derisive comments about settled issues in biology and he wants us to believe him because he's a big man immunologist and works with RNA everyday? So where is the proof that he's a published scientist? Is it in the same place he kept the proof that God exists? Nègrö please!

Also, "immunology has nothing to do with evolution"?!! Really? A "scientist" said that? That's all the proof I need to evaluate his level of knowledge on both immunology and biology in general.

I'm willing to bet my left tèsticle that davidylan is some kind of lab technologist who has forgotten his place. You know what they say,half knowledge is worse than no knowledge at all.

IbroSaunks:
evil brain,

well maybe i was a little too harsh on the bloke, but i still believe some of the things he said are wrong!!!

if u believe everything scientist say, without looking at other factors, it restricts your vision!

Nobody is asking you to believe everything scientists say. Scepticism is one of the most important tools a scientist has. After all, if Darwin had believed everything the scientists in his time had said, there would be no theory of evolution. If Einstein had accepted what he was told there would be no quantum theory or relativity.

What I'm saying is don't argue blindly. Examine the best available evidence before making up your mind. Don't be afraid to accept you're wrong when new evidence appears. Never reject the truth even if it contradicts your religious beliefs or is inconvenient in some way. This is how creationists are the same as global warming deniers. But an inconvenient truth is still the truth.

An what is science if not the search for truth?

In case anybody wants to hear the scientific version of the origin of life you can try reading pages 2 and 3 of this thread. Me and a few others have tried to explain things as simply as possible for the lay people out there.

Sadly, this thread has really gone downhill since it hit the front page. Between all the cheap insults and sexkillz's trolling there's no more room for rational discourse. Since I have work to do, I'm going to have to sign out.

Cheers.

IbroSaunks:
@evil brain

You know, i haven't seen in my days a bigger dullard than that bloke that called himself Charles Darwin! Yes there are "proofs" of evolution, the fact remains that it is still LARGELY flawed! If i start with the extensive research i used to do i could lose my job, cos it'll take me the whole day!!

You think Charles Darwin, perhaps the most respected biologist in history is a dullard? You think you can debunk his work with a single day's research?
Darwin spent years on a desert island observing, collecting and meticulously catalouging specimens before coming up with his theory. Mendel spent years growing and cross-breeding plants and documenting his findings in order to decipher the rules of genetic inheritance. Before he died, all his fellow monks were convinced he was crazy. It was almost a century later that his work was rediscovered and he has recognized as the scientific hero he was.

Look at you abusing great men when you are not fit to clean their shoes. You that thinks typing words into google is "research". Shame on you. f genetic inheritance. Before he died, all his fellow monks were convinced he was crazy. It was almost a century later that his work was rediscovered and he has recognized as the scientific hero he was.

Look at you abusing great men when you are not fit to clean their shoes. You that thinks typing words into google is "research". Shame on you.

IbroSaunks:
Hey,

This thread is soo long, i could spend the whole day reading it, would really distract me from work!

But the thing is, i get the atheists, and their claims about not knowing or trying to explain. But by taking such view, you are convincing yourself that there really isnt any answer. Because you can't find the answer to the question, doesn't mean some other peoples own is wrong.

You cannot make a conclusion that religion is wack if you haven't carefully analyzed all the religions and the basics of their belief system. If someone finds a question that trully works and makes sense to him, perhaps you just need to listen and view things from the persons perspective before you finally make a decision.

I don't know about you, but i think life would really be pointless if we just died and nothing happened after. That might be a sentiment, but search inside and look around, and see if you truly feel that we just become alive, live and die for nothing. Also, i implore you to look around you, see how everything is, the world, nature, just everything. Can you truly look at that and tell yourself that it all came by coincidence, that it just happened on its own? Even a pencil can't conceive itself.

I don't want to involve in any arguments cos im like, fasting now and would like to save my energy. I usually have much more to say, but i would stop here for now. Cheers and have a blissful day!

You are talking as if we don't know anything at all and thats not true. The fact is that there is more evidence supporting evolution than pretty much every other theory. And while the origin of life is still a hotly debated area, we still have plenty of information about what could have happened. There is more than enough evidence already to debunk pretty much all the old creation myths.

The difference between scientists and creationists is that scientists are not afraid to admit the gaps in their knowledge. Its only by admitting your flaws that you can ever make progress. On the other hand, creationists and religious people refuse to adapt their beliefs to new information. Instead they try to bend the facts to fit their fixed and unchanging beliefs.

Thats why many of them still think the earth is 6000 years old and Adam and Eve were real people despite all we now know about astronomy, geology and genetics.
**Edited to fix a formatting fûckup.

@davidylan
Please stop calling yourself a scientist. You are not a scientist. You don't know how to reason like one, you are shockingly ignorant about many of the things you are arguing about, you lack the humulity a good scientist needs, and you are totally immune to reason. I don't know who you are or what you do for a living, but you sound very much like a lab technician who aspires to greater things but has not bothered to do the work required.

I understand that you are skeptical about some aspects of evolution, and there is nothing wrong with that, but you cannot make predetermined conclusions and call yourself a scientist. Its not just by wearing a white coat you know.

Also, please drop this "no intermediate forms" argument, its really, really stûpid. Take another look at my previous post and follow the link. Nobel Intent is a site I highly recommend if you want to learn how scientists think.

davidylan:
If indeed evolution is true, where are the intermediate life forms? How come complex organisms that look exactly like their modern day counterparts appear suddenly in the fossil record? I guess i dont know anything anyway so why bother.

Rubbish. There are plenty of intermediate lifeforms in the fossil records. The evolution of man is extremely well documented in fossils. As is the evolution of modern birds, elephants horses, sharks, crocodillians and countless other species. For instance, there are several known species of bird-like dinosaurs (and dinosaur-like birds) with wings, feathers and teeth. Have you ever seen a chicken with teeth? Your information seems to be at least 50 years out of date.
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/07/feathered-dino-leaves-status-of-archaeopteryx-up-in-the-air.ars

why is evolution a controversy today if it was widely accepted fact with empirical proof? No one spends all day arguing about the validity of gravity no?

Because a bunch of reetarded american evangelicals decided to cook up a fake controversy. Just like the global warming issue, the evolution "debate" is completely manufactured. The people responsible were a bunch of right wing christian-fundamentalist nutcases in the 1980s who were shocked that kids were being taught something that contradicted their religion in school. The sad fact is that whenever an inconvenient truth threatens a powerful group's faith or business interests, it is now possible to bury that truth in an avalanche of lies, half-truths and misinformation. Years of screaming from pulpits and a relentless media campaign has driven the truth form people's minds.

And America, the country that gave us Paris Hilton, Sarah Palin and George W. Bush is the centre of this anti-intellectual movement. Special interests have managed to completely discredit the scientific community, and have managed to put fairytales in school textbooks. They have convinced their people that being ignorant is somehow a virtue. Now a large percentage of the American people think that climate change is a conspiracy by evil scientists, and evolution is a conspiracy by evil scientists, and Obama is a communist, fascist, secret-muslim dictator. Nowadays even intelligent politicians like John McCain have to pretend to be stuupid and support the teaching of rubbish like intelligent design just to get votes.

The worst thing is how they are now exporting their special brand of stuupidity to the rest of the world. Evolution has been a settled issue in most of the world for over a century. It is the second best supported theory in all of science after gravitation. Now in formerly sane places like Europe seeds of doubt have been sown.

The most annoying thing is that nobody has been able counter the simple logic at the heart of Darwin's theory. The creationists are winning simply because they are making more noise. They are slowly pulling the world back into the dark ages. Making the world a dumber place.

kandiikane:
Don't get me wrong, I do believe in God but if I am going to believe in God and I not going to try and downgrade other people's beliefs or evolution just because I feel like my beliefs are superior. I study other people's beliefs and try to understand. . I do ask questions and I do think evolution makes more sense than the mud story but in life people need to have something they believe in, that someone is  out there who is superior to them so they can live their lives accordingly. It is the fear of the repercussions taught by religions that keep people bound to it. .

If I can believe that a mastermind created the bigbang and so and so I will. . Trust me I so want to. .

I'm not trying to put you down but the fact is that disputing and debunking faulty theories is a major part of the scientific method. After all, even Newtons revered theory of gravitation was busted wide open by Einstein and co. That's the way scientific progress is made.

You shouldn't cant expect your religious beliefs to be treated differently. If they are true, then they should be able to stand up criticism. If they are false, then they deserve to be exposed for the good of mankind. I'm sorry you're offended but, whatever.

What the hell? I've been typing on my phone since and I could't see sexkillz's horrible blue font. What in God's name is wrong with that guy?

kandiikane:
You know what you threads are becoming senseless and senseless each day. .

Why not explain who created the mastermind behind creation?  

Rubbish. .

Lets try and humour the theists. So nothing can come from nothing meaning a creator must have made mankind right? So who created the creator? Following the same logic, there must be a super creator. And then a super duper creator that created the super creator. And a super duper super creator that created the super duper creator. And a super duper super duper, oh, wait, I think we might have an infinite regression problem here.

That's the kind of logical problem that religious people can ignore and scientists can't. If we refuse to think logically, then how are we better than animals?

ayusco:
hmmm interesting thread as to the question of origin of life i ask this what existed b4 the big slam? what caused it what caused chemicals and what not to suddenly become living self aware beings? tuff questions. as to existence of God its up to ones faith i'm a christian but that does not mean i disprove scientific facts but deep down i believe there is a higher power that can bring nothing into something. but with athiest as much as i understand your questions i think you can not in all certainty say what is and what is not we know that energy is never destroyed but transformed from one form to another who is to say that the human body is not changed into some form science hasn't detected yet? all this my epistle is saying is that there is still so much infinite levels of information/knowledge that we don't have about ourselves and the universe to be categorical about anything. just my two kobos

The Big Bäng theory is a completely different kettle of fish from the origin of life. And to answer you question, nobody knows yet. The standard model of physics is still incomplete and doesn't allow us to answer that question yet.
Don't worry, its being worked on. There are plenty of theories but not enough evidence to support or refute them yet. That's why they spent billions of euros on the Large Hadron Collider and millions on other experiments and space telescopes.

Check back in a few decades and maybe I'll have an answer for you.

harakiri:
Mendel and Darwin sought knowledge and came to their conclusions. This guy doesn't fit into that category and with time, you'll see what i'm talking about.

Don't worry, I know he's a troll. But I still want to try and help him. Besides there might be others like him who could see this thread, read around it and start questioning the stories their pastors have been feeding them.

Call me a hopeless romantic, whatever. I'm just trying to make Nigeria a slightly less rètarded place, one post at a time.

sexkillz:
Errrm! Scientists ARENT ALLOWED! I'll open a thread for them when ATHEISTS have failed to convince me to join them!

I WANT TO BECOME AN ATHEIST! I NEED ATHEISTIC ANSWERS!!!

Guy, now you're starting to annoy me. You might as well say that sensible people aren't allowed and you only want to debate with blind, mindless fanboys like yourself. People are giving you a free gift of knowledge and you're just dismissing it. Do you like being an ignoramus? You think being ignorant is a virtue?

I should have listened to harakiri. Why am I wasting my time on this thread?

harakiri:
@Mazaje and Evil Brain

I can't believe you guys are wasting time and mental energy on this guy. It's beyond obvious that he isn't here to have a logical discourse but rather to constitute a nuisance.

Never write people off. He could be the next Albert Einstein. eveybody can be saved.

And don't forget that both Mendel and Darwin were deeply religious men. Its only recently that religion became another word for willfull stûpidity.

sexkillz:
Hmm, you are derailing this thread O! Where did those requirements come from? Because everything starts somewhere, i'm sure you agree!

WE REALLY NEED A SCIENCE SECTION ON NL!!!

You're not paying attention. I already said that they occured naturally. They've been produced experimentally by simulating early -earth conditions in the lab and have even been detected in deep space. Google the "Miller-Urey experiments" if you don't believe me. Its a shame that this isn't in the WAEC biology syllabus. Its really basic stuff and is taught to JSS level students abroad.  

logica:
If you really want to know, watch more of Discovery, History and Geographic channels rather than Africa Magic, BET and MTV.

Lol.

sexkillz:
^^^ SCIENTISTS! I still have a Question though! What do you really mean by it came about by ACCIDENT!

STILL WAITING FOR AN ATHEISTIC DEFINITION THOUGH!

"By accident "is not really an accurate term which is why I put it in quotes in my previous post. Imagine if you were trying to guess some else's Nairaland password. If you were to get it the first time you tried, you could call that an accident or even divine intervention. But if you entered 1 billion wrong passwords before stumbling on the correct one could you really call that luck?

Its the same with life. All the requirements for it were already present. Natural processes formed millions and millions of different organic molecules over hundreds of millions of years until eventually one (or perhaps several) arose that could self-replicate. This molecule started copying itself using the surrounding raw materials, but not perfectly. Some of the copies were exactly the same, some were less adept or unable to make more copies and some where better at it. Some became able to adapt to different environments and thus spread to other areas and eventually colonized the whole planet. Some learnt to break down other life-forms for nutrients. The better adapted forms survived and competed with each other and the weaker ones died off.

Natural selection lead to more adaptation and more complexity. For instance the molecules that surrounded themselves with membranes (which were probably just microscopic bubbles back then) would have been better able to trap raw materials and would have thus outcompeted and eventually crowded out the free-floating ones. This may have been how cellular life began. Some of these cells would have eventually formed colonies with their close relatives, then some of the cells within these colonies would have started specializing to increase efficiency (e.g the outer cells for protection, etc). Eventually these cells could have become so specialized that they could no longer survive on their own and like that, you have the first multicellular life form. Imperfect copying and changing environments will mean the constant formation of new species and the extinction of old ones.

Eventually, after billions of years (try and wrap your mind around how long that is) of adaptation and evolution we end up with people and starfish and oroko trees. Living things have adapted and spread to every corner of the earth including some of the most crazily inhospitable places. Scientists have found life in boiling hot natural springs, in frozen Antartica, deep inside the ocean and even several kilometers under the earth's crust.

It is amazing to see what the simple rules that Charles Darwin discoverd have lead to. Its only by thinking like a scientist that you can really see how beautiful life is. Religious people are really missing a lot.

@sexkillz

If you want to know more, wikipedia has an excellent article on Abiogenesis (the study of life's origins).

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

sexkillz:
@ Evil Brain!
Thank you so MUCH for the insight! Better than the I DON'T KNOW answers i've been getting since morning! Now the Trickiest Question! Hope you wont mind, YOU really sounded Intelligent!

WHERE DID THE SINGLE PROKARYOTIC ORGANISM COME FROM?

Nobody is really sure since it happened so long ago but there are several plausible theories. The one that I personally favour is that it arose "by accident".

We know that the building-blocks of life are abundant throughout the universe and were likely produced by inorganic processes in the early days of planet earth. We also know that there were abundant souces of energy back then (geothermal, solar, lightening). Given these favourable conditions and enough time, it is almost inevitable that life would arise. An underwater geothermal vent seems to be the most likely place for this to hav happened. Remember that countless different variations of organic molecules would be formed. All it would take is one molecule with the ability to copy itself. The oldest known fossil is 3.5 billion years old and the earth is 4.5 billion years old. A billion years is a really, really long time and life only needs to arise once. Once life arises, it spreads, adapts and evolves as Darwin has shown us.

Personally, I doubt if life is really as rare as people like to believe. I think that its presence is nearly inevitable in any planet with the right conditions. The odds of life arising may seem long, but if you play the lottery for a billion years, what are the odds that you won't eventually win the jackpot?

sexkillz:
Should i take this to mean that ATHEISTS DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT LIFE? Or ARE YOU SPEAKING FOR YOUR SELF? AND WHY THE INSULTS? I REMEMBER SOMEONE ALMOST BANNED ME THIS MORNING FOR THE SAME OFFENCE! IS IT ALLOWED TO INSULT YOU TOO?

Actually, we know plenty about the origin of life. Its actually an area of very intensive study. The thing with (good) scientists is that they don't pretend to be sure of things rhat are still uncertain.

We know for instance that all living things use the same genetic code except for eubacteria and some eukaryotic organelles (mitochondria and chloroplasts) which use a slightly modified code. We know that amino acids (the building blocks of life) are present in comets and have been detected in deep space. We also know that all known living things use the same 20 amino acids despite there being literally millions of possible types. We know that all known living things only use left handed amino acids to build proteins even though inorganic processes produce equal amounts of both left and right handed amino acids. None of these facts fit in with either the christian or the muslim creation myths therefore they are both unlikely to be true.

Scientists have looked at the available information (and there's plenty more if you know how to use google) and have come to the following conclusions:
1. All living things descended from a single prokaryotic organism.
2. The Eubacteria (e.g. Staphylococcus for you illiterates out there) as well as chloroplasts and and mitochondria represent an early branch of the family tree.
3. Archeobacteria and Eukaryotes seperated some time after.
4. Mitochondria and chloroplasts likely lived within early eukaryotic organisms in a symbiotic relationship before eventually losing the ability to reproduce independently.

The point I'm trying to make is that scientists didn't just wake up one morning and decide to attack christians. Their theories are based on observation, logic and experimentation. The fact that they contradict the bible is unfortunate, but whatever. Science is the relentless pusuit of the truth no matter who is offended. If scientists backed down everytime christians got annoyed, we'll still think the earth was the centre of the universe and that the plague was a punishment from God.

**Edited to fix a formatting fûckup.

And it wouldn't take much to convince me. All I need is a minor divine intervention like a small rain of fire/brimstone to destroy some really evil, unrepentant sinners. The three arms zone in Abuja should be a excellent target in my opinion but let God be the judge. He should stop hiding and do something to silence the doubters. If either the Bible or the Qu'ran are true then he's done it plenty of times in the past, it shouldn't be such a big deal.

petres_007:
God is not restricted to only believers/christians when he needs to get things done, harakiri. 

Everyone and everything, good and bad, christians and non-christians of all sorts, educated and illiterate, tall or short, white or black, dead or alive ( ), angels and demons - all are under his sovereign will. [b]All, including King James. [/b]

Who knows? Maybe the 17th century was when God felt it was time to have the bible compiled and publicly endorsed the way it was then. And it had to be someone of James' standing and wealth to accomplish. Christian or not.

King James may have thought (like you do) that he was only being smart and using it as pretext for gaining total control but behind the scenes I assure you, he was merely dancing to God's tune. It appears he danced really well too   

And you know all this how? I'm not trying to make fun of you, It just seems like you know a lot about this "God" character and I'd like to know where you're getting your information from.

I hope its not the Bible because that would be circular reasoning. If your're getting it from someone else could you please give us the person's name or post a link so we can independently verify that the person is not a liar or a nutcase. I hope you're not going to claim that you have a special revelation because then I'd just assume you are making it all up (religious people have been known to do that in the past). If that's it maybe you could pull out your phone and take a pic for us the next time he appears to you.

Any rational athiest would concede that God (is likely to) exist(s) if he/she is confronted with convincing proof. The problem is there is no such proof.

Has he tried Pastor Chris or T.B. Joshua?

aasog1:
I dont think this is Dangote's fault, or the manufacturers. I have a friend who works at Portland, Ewekoro and he said the direct price to dealers is #960 per bag, and it goes cheaper depending on bulks been purchased. The suppliers are the culprits here; but I wouldnt really blame them because most of their trucks and vehicles are suffering massively from the bad roads, road tickets and tolls; as well as the high price of Diesel which still sells at 150 per liter. Thats roughly $1 per little for diesel.
This is business my people; and who cares what the president thinks when he cant even fix the price of diesel or FERMA to make a road that would last for half a year.

I doubt if bad roads and expensive diesel are enough to explain the ridiculous prices. And you can't just blame dealers, this is a free market economy so the dealers can't just jack up prices when they have to compete among each other.

The real reason cement is so expensive is because there isn't enough of it to satisfy the huge demand. The reason there isn't enough is because only a handful of players dominated by Dangote are allowed to import the stuff and the local manufacturers cannot meet demand.

The government tries to justify the ridiculous import restrictions by claiming to be protecting the local manufacturers. That may be true but is it worth sabotaging the rest of the economy? I don't think so.

Is it not the stûpid government policies that are causing artificial scarcity? GEJ could remove all rètarded import restrictions today and crash the price to less than N1000 within a few weeks.

Why hasn't the government done this? Its either they're stûpid, or they've been settled by Dangote and co. Or both.

I don't care about all this "logic" and "evidence" nonsense. I just know that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists, and he created the universe, and if you don't worship him, you won't go to heaven.

Exponental:
Good one. Investigatn shld be thorough n ensure its nt a mistaken identity.
With ds, all chemical shops shld be checked n put under severe control.

Is selling chemicals now a crime? Then they should also arrest Dangote, the entire NNPC staff and all filling station owners. After all cement and petrol can be mixed together to make bombs.

Maybe there's something they haven't told us but I'm not convinced that they're not just using some unlucky guy as a scapegoat. Never underestimate the uselessness of the NPF.

Earnshaw:
silly and dumb! Its gonna increase the number of unemployed people which in turn increases the crime rate. Moreover, the conserved money will still be shared among the "you know who". Jona, is this the best u could come up with? What about the constant electricity we talked about?

There are more than 160 million Nigerians and far less than 500,000 federal civil servants. Even if you sack all of them it will have a negligible effect on the unemployment rate. On the other hand if you build a high speed railway network you easily create just as many jobs theough the multiplier effects. You don't even need to reduce the total numbers. Try sacking 200,000 10am to 2pm civil servants and replacing them with 200,000 new policemen. Thats your Boko Haram problem solved right there. If you're worried that the PDP'll just steal the money then you should look for solutions to that problem instead of using it to justify what is clearly nonsense.

There is so much waste, so many agencies that should be scrapped outright. Like the NTA, what useful purpose do they serve? NAPEP, what exactly do they do?

We are feeding tens of thousands of fat parasites in a country where fewer than half of women recieve any medical care of any sort when they deliver. And you're babbling on about employment.

Use your brain friend, use it to read an economics textbook so you'll learn how to use scarce resources efficiently.

kenny1st:
I am not actually in support of this move because this is a way of adding to the number of unemployment in the country. Infact, it is better people are paid for not doing anything in the ministries as Nigeria is so rich to that extent. I learnt that in some develop countries, their adult/unemployed citizens are entitled to some periodic funds from their government, but here, this is different. However, if this move by the FG will not result to laying off staff i think it would be a welcome development.

Clearly, you weren't paying attention during secondary school economics. I bet you also think subsidies are a good thing. Its this kind of thinking that has kept us poor for so long.

The guy should sack all the redundant civil servants and political appointees and use the money for something useful like a railway, some schools or hospitals. If he's so bereft of ideas, he should share the money equally among the 160 million of us.

Why should the government be maintaining some lazy fatcats in Abuja when tens of millions of hard working people are starving?