₦airaland Forum

Inked_Nerd:

Before I answer, I'd like to know why do you want to know my ethnic background?

Except he's ignorant, nobody of Igbo ancestry will say what you said about your professors being right about the word 'ibo'. And i saw something like 'Enugu' in your location, then i begin to wonder.

Inked_Nerd:

lol, thanks. I still believe that there's a difference though. I don't believe that the professors that I spoke to lied to me . Thanks for the reassurance though.

At this point i must ask, what's your ethnicity?

agbotaen:
what ikas share with igbo in terms of ceremony .and culture.
1. we share okparanship with igbos.
2. we share ofo as staff of authority for elders.
3. we perform new yam festival.
4. we perform ikenga ceremony
5. some of our chiefthancy titles follow igbo lines such as ezenwenali,ogifurueze e.t.c.
6. we also share igbo names such as nduka, okorie, ikenchuku et.c.
i have never said we do not share any thing wth igbo ,even tracing our history to benin ,know not make us binis ,nor is it for any great purpose,but just to trace our history, some of our villages too trace their history to igbo cultural areas too.but the reality on ground is that ika has emerged as a seperate entity ,and we would like to be respected as such. we do not want to be an appendage of binis or igbo people , we just want to be ikas

This is the only place where the supposedly 'Ika identity' becomes meaningless.

You are made up of descendants of Igbo and bini immigrants, then you say you are neither Igbo nor bini. It's like eating a dish of omelette, and denying you ate eggs.

I think you guys got it wrong here in your fabrication attempt. Can you tell us what language Ikas were originally speaking?

letonB:
A people who can use their own mother
to make money,
obtain chieftains title with such wealth
continue life without remorse fear them!

Let me guess. When you said 'A people who can use their mother to make money', you were referring to Igbos.

I'm interested in this one. Really? So they can do that?

You mind telling us how you came about this info? Any newspaper report, or were you personally an eyewitness of such a transaction? I'll like to know.

^^^

For their meaning, I've stated them in my previous posts and chyz also re-stated them.

beneli:
^^^

To be honest, they are 'embezzling it (the allocated money) like others'!

The sense I get, from members of my extended family who occasionally go about soliciting for contracts from some of those LGA chairmen, is that the indigenes are being 'marginalised' from partaking in the obscene carnival of resource-squandering that goes on at those Local Government offices-at the expense of salaries, development etc obviously and to the knowledge of the state governor, who gets his share! One of my cousins who now prefers to look for contracts outside of the state, says that the indigenous contractors are treated with such open contempt and derision that that that sense of being occupied by 'outsiders' continues to be re-enforced. And from all indications, seem to be getting more intense.

So it's difficult not to see why things are getting so heated up!

[b]The pervading attitude, which i don't necessarily subscribe to, now seems to be; IF the money meant for development of the community must be misappropriated, then let the indigenes do the misappropriating![/b]Unfortunately even in those LGA's where the 'indigenes' are in control of the 'resources', it's still only a powerful clique, who are hands in gloves with the rest of the criminals (like TA Orji, OUK etc) and who use OUR money to feed their insatiable appetites. They send their families abroad to live in the various properties they have bought in the UK and the USA, send their children to private schools abroad, and then use the leftovers to try to consolidate on their political ambitions by buying cups of rice and garri to distribute to the impoverished lesser human beings that make up the population of their run down LGA's!

This is a thing of shame.

I dont quite agree with you on this one.

With the way things are going now, no indigenous L.G chairman will be tempted to mismanage public funds. If he does so, he does so at his own peril because sooner or later the indigenous youths will come down on him with their might.

The monies accruing to Aba South L.G.A alone is more than what the remaining 16 L.G.As are getting combined, so the city of Aba deserves something better than what it is now.

If the non-indigenous representatives are not working in line with that goal because of the contempt they have for their hosts, then it's time they take the back seat.

Aba must get what it deserves and this is non-negotiable.

oludashmi:
Okuta means stone. Even with that the language similarities with Igbo is 0.01%. If you say cultural and lang similarities with the Itsekiri and Edos, I agree.

What does the remaining 2 words mean?

I appreciate your contributions.

But i dont seem to get the 2 remaining words you asked about. Maybe, you will need to remind me.

You can only understand best the line of this argument if you have a grasp of the two languages in question.

@ chyz. Thanks

Ok. Let leave this argument until more evidences come out. Moreover, this is an inappropriate thread for this subject. We shall meet again.

March 15, 2010

Two bombs exploded
at a Government House of
Nigeria during the Post Amnesty
Dialogue in Warri. The bombs
killed eight people and injured
six more. The explosion damaged
the Government House and
other buildings in the area.
MEND claimed responsibility for
this attack.

What is the difference between this incident and the October 1 bombing at Abuja? And why was MEND not exonerated in the first instance.

The truth is, MEND's tactics are very obscure. They have no military units of their own, but is more of
an umbrella organisation that outsource
several armed groups, which it
sometimes pays in cash or guns
to launch attacks. This makes it easy for MEND to deny or allege anything.

ezeagu:
In Igbo me is 'Muwa'
In French me is 'moi'

In Igbo land is 'Ala'
In Tikar (of Cameroon) land is 'Ala'

In Igbo group is 'otu'
In Urhobo group is 'otu'

Are the French and Igbo from one language? Not necessarily. Could one have influenced the other without necessarily influencing all the languages that are between them by geography? Yes.

I was expecting some explanation after you said 'Yes'. Could you enlighten us how this is possible?

asha 2:
Ok i can understand the issue of Aba having non Ngwa as chairmen and counciliors because of the high populattion of non ngwa indigenes but what about Obingwa,Isiala Ngwa?Are there Chairmen and councillors non ngwa too?If yes how come?Or are there high populations of non ngwa people there too?

Does aba generate its own revenue or does it wait for allocation like all other LGAS?

asha 2:
Ok i can understand the issue of Aba having non Ngwa as chairmen and counciliors because of the high populattion of non ngwa indigenes but [b]what about Obingwa,Isiala Ngwa?Are there Chairmen and councillors non ngwa too?[/b]If yes how come?Or are there high populations of non ngwa people there too?

I've made some couple of calls to confirm the other Ngwa L.G.As. When i get the confirmations from my friends, i'll inform you. But i'll for now work with the known fact on the Aba L.G.As.

Personally, I appreciate the presence of non-Ngwas in Aba, and so do many Ngwas too. They have contributed a lot, especially the entrepreneurs and i will not like to see any disrespect towards them by my people. But this is where the problem lies:

Those traditional
rulers are the people who sold
the indigenous people for
pittance making the area to be
represented by non-indigenes in
many elective posts and these
non-indigenes have no interest
of their constituency at heart
because there is not their native
area, so they can afford to leave
the constituency in a mess as
they will surely return to their
native area one day. It is only in
Aba that non-indigenes are
elected to elective posts in the
whole of Nigeria and the
traditional rulers are the major
facilitators of this because they
sell their conscience to the
highest bidder.
This writer is sure that Dr. Okorie
(Macro) who took over from
G.C. Duru as the chairman of the
local government did something
for those hungry people
parading themselves as
traditional rulers. One always
sees those traditional rulers
hanging around at the Aba
South Local Government
Secretariat, looking for one
favour or the other from the
chairman and other principal
officers of the council.
What role are those traditional
rulers playing to warrant their
receipt of those vehicles, material
and monetary gifts? None,
virtually none other than
working against the interests,
wishes and aspirations of their
subjects, and helping in making
"Aba The City of Dung"! The
money used in purchasing those
vehicles every successive
chairman of the local
government gives away to those
men of low virtues calling
themselves "Ndi Eze" and other
gifts they receive, could go a
long way in solving one problem
or the other that would benefit
all the people of the area. The
chairman takes care of those
traditional rulers and goes to
"sleep" as he has settled the
"royal representatives" of the
people and is then insulated
from criticisms for non-
performance, because, the royal
fathers' "insurance" covers him

And to your other question? Yes, Aba generates it's own income from the Ariaria Market, the second largest market in West Africa after Onitsha.

Kay 17:
We get it, islam does not make sense. Yet no religion does either, that is why its maintained by faith, not with your eyes, ears and head opened.

Give it a rest!

That reminds me, Jacob's idea of genetics is appalling. Joshua grasp of the universe is woeful.

Animals talking,

Can you state the jacob's and joshua's example, i might help you resolve them.

Animals talking? Have you ever heard of the art called ventriloquism?

MEND always sets the example for other criminals to follow. The stage now is bomb detonation. What next?,

Tonye-t:
^^Bro, u aint grasping the true essence of the Hadiths

Hadiths are real life narrations of writers about the life and full story of Muhammed. They make up the full core of the true islamic essence just like the Quran. Without reading the Hadith, one is yet to be a muslim.

What i mean is this. Take for an example this Quranic verse and its Hadith interpretation.

The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:
And forbidden to you are
wedded wives of other people
except those who have fallen in
your hands (as prisoners of
war).

FROM SAHIH MUSLIM,
VOLUME 2, #3432
Abu Said al-Khudri
reported that at the Battle of
Hunain Allah's messenger sent
an army to Autas and
encountered the enemy and
fought with them. Having
overcome them and taken them
captives, the Companions of
Allah's messenger seemed to
refrain from having intercourse
with captive women because of
their husbands being polytheists.
Then Allah, Most High, sent
down regarding that: "And
women already married, except
those whom your right hands
possess (Quran - 4:24), (i.e. they
were lawful for them when their
Idda (menstrual) period came to
an end).

Captured married women as sexual property of their captors with Mohammed's blessing? What a shame!

While you may have made a point concerning the current strained relationship between the indigenous Ngwa and other Igbo occupants of Aba, i must say i disagree with you that the agitations are because of the use of lands and the business activities of non-indigenous Igbos and others  Nigerians in Aba who have contributed to the growth of the city.

A careful look at all of these crises points to the fact that the root cause is politics. Most of the Ngwa local governments have non-Ngwas as the chairmen and councillors, which is not really a problem in itself. But the resultant neglect of Ngwaland by these 'foreign' representatives is what is turning the indigenes against their visitors.

Another factor is agitation for an Ngwa leadership of Abia. Since the creation of the state in 1991, the administration of the state has been with Abia North and Abia Central, while Abia South(Ngwa-Ukwa) had been left out of the picture.

This is one of the reasons why some sincere Muslims keep to reading only the Quran. It's really embarrassing sometimes what the Hadiths say, even the respected ones.

ezeagu:
Are you saying Edo doesn't have similar words with Igbo? Are you saying the Igbo only have similar words with the Yoruba?

Earlier i gave an example of a shared word 'okwuta/okwute' that exists not only between Igbo, Yoruba and bini but across most of the southern cultures(urhobo, isoko, etc) and it means the same thing- stone.

But there are shared words between Igbo and Yoruba that don't exist in bini, or any of the intermediary cultures between them. How come?

manugbo:
illiterate governors are problem to their sttes.

What's T.A. Orji's educational qualification?

MaziUche0:
Any Igbo who leaves his property in Abuja or Lagos if something happens should be shot on sight if he comes to the East.

Seconded! He's not worth living.

Have you ever heard of Hausa-Fulani leaving their properties in Berom land and fleeing back to Kano when attacked? This is how to live in a place like Jungle-geria(Naija)

Have all the criminals in your state died?

MrPrsdent:
@OP

why is it for Bk.babe?

@topic

hang him

It's a gift to him for Independence Day.

dai513:
We are relatives, we have similar cultures, looking at the history books, some parts of Benue State (parts of Idoma land) were carved out of Igboland. all the "no we are not, we don't need you" talk is unnecessary. I embrace my culture, I love it so much but I also recognize my roots and love the fact that my ancestors are from a rich culture despite us being given a new home. I love my "relatives" in the South East and some of them have love for their Idoma brothers and sisters.

Are you Idoma, or a Benue Igbo? there's some mix-up in your post.

A 42-year old man beat his wife
to death following a
disagreement. TOYOSI
OGUNSEYE spoke with the
suspect who says he cannot
justify his action
The marriage of 10 years ended
in just 10 minutes. Olushola
Ojaelatan and his wife, Basirat
Oluwatoyin, had been married
for 10 years. They had three
children out of which two are
surviving,

Read more:
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MaziUche0:
Not it hasn't people are trying to investigate if our languages our similar. Frankly, I do not think so. I see more similarities with Igbo and Ibibio than I do with Igbo and Yoruba. As a native Ibibio and Igbo speaker. . .

That is quite understandable.

At least, Igbos are next door neighbours to Ibibios. But how does 2 isolated groups in their current locations come to have very corrupted, but similar words when the other cultures in-between them dont have such words?

kai. E catch fun abi? Awon omo odua. Erora ma se toasting o! LOL