While Lagos ibadan expressway reconstruction is 5yrs+

Nigerians are pathetic. We see stuff like this, lament on social media and it ends there.

buffalowings:
What stays in reddit stays in reddit.

Don't allow the site to be polluted by feeble minds.

Like what happened to quorum, and NL

Haha!

You don't wanna see stuff like: "why is demonic python spirit fvcking me in my dreams?" under new submissions tab.

Lol. I even thought I would see pre-colonial era Yoruba names. Not theses christian era oluwa-this-and-that kinda names. How the heck are these names uncommon?

Tozara:
Very well said. Most Africans are selfish people who only care about their own petty comforts, with ZERO SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY. They hate sacrifices, they hate bleeding it through, they always want a savior. They're never ready to put their own fate into their own hands and take responsibility for their own lives.

So they blame EVERYTHING for their misfortune, as long as it isn't them.

Africa is a "shithole", everyone wants to leave. They're never ready to put in the effort and the necessary sacrifices needed to make their nations better---yes, it's not going to be easy, but why should it be? The universe owes us nothing. The only solution to problems is getting off your ass to do something.

They're not ready to build great nations---but want to run to great nations others have built after years of effort and sacrifice.

If those people hadn't stayed behind to endure the pain that comes with building a nation worthy of the name---if they had fled when their own nation was a "shithole"---I wonder where Africans would be running to in order to escape their duties and responsibilities.

We plead for visas, free drugs to cure our diseases, help to feed our people, build our roads etc. In return, we export raw materials. We now demand respect and equal treatment. We are simply fooling ourselves!

Southerners generally treat northerners like they're bronze age barbarians. And the difference in enlightenment is infinitesimal compared to the diff between sub saharan africans and the developed world. It's not hard for anyone to see why it would only be natural to look down on us.

DonCandido:
Africa and Africans humiliated, rejected and dehumanised anywhere and everywhere. Even in the so called "holy land" which should be a sanctuary to all races? Where do we go from here? Mars?

I think sub Saharan Africans have no shame for being maltreated because we do not really understand why nations exist. We think mass migration as a first option (for soluble problems) is acceptable. This makes us look weak and pathetic -- always grovelling and begging for help. Like as if they're father christmas. People should be asking wtf AU is doing to help these people instead of demanding for external help.

We don't wanna stay back and do what must be done to make our respective countries habitable for the sake of our future generations. Evicting tyrants, creating a sustainable government system, gaining knowledge for wealth creation etc.

If people, understood that it's our sole responsibility to ensure our nation is prosperous, we won't jump ship and be grovelling at every opportunity. Shame would come first.

12submarine:

Okay. But RIP to the dead, and let's avoid those situations though. Nothing wrong in practising your religion and allowing others to practise their falsehood for peace to reign. Maybe civilised society is built up through provocative languages called criticism. I still can't find those ideologies in my Bible, I doubt if all christians read same Bible though.

Lol. You're basically saying "I agree with you but to hell with logic."

Also, learn to separate your Bible and religion from State matters. The Bible has absolutely nothing to do with secular democracy. All religion is intrinsically authoritarian!

MrMoney007:
In those days, transpo businesses used names like Izuchukwu and Sons limited, ajekoya and sons etc

this one is Scammer and sons limited

Haha! It's not a family business. God just happened to call all his sons and sons-in-law to ministry too.

12submarine:

What I still don't understand in this your write up is that, if you don't insult their Muhammad, will you die? Or is insulting their Muhammad part of Christianity? If you care, I'm not a muslim, I also don't like their reaction to issues like this, but what I still don't understand is, why do you have to insult their Muhammad if you really want peace? Is that the teaching of The Lord Jesus Christ? Even on this thread, have you not seen how Christians are still insulting their Muhammad? Have you seen these muslims defending the act (for whatever reason) insult Jesus Christ in return? Are Christians paid for insulting their Muhammad? I still don't know what you stand to gain for insulting their religion when you have yours.

Insult, insult, insult. What exactly is the meaning of insult? Why should human actions be dictated by their immediate emotions and not by reason? Brain stem over Cortex? Why can't people learn to see past [via introspection] fake emotions that's only a facade for shame, bruised egos, tyrannical tendencies etc?

Is it an insult to state factual events? Is it an insult to state the truth that Mohammed married an underaged girl, and was a savage killer? At the very best, such statements or accusations are up for debate. Not violent response. Christians are similarly lampooned for their violent history, yet no one decides that heads must be chopped off bodies; in fact, many of them accept the truth that they were once a violent group.

The fact that you can't understand this simple but extremely important idea worries me. If we can't learn to control our base emotions, we can't create a civilised diverse society where in ideas are systematically criticized in a logical fashion for the aim of advancement.

After 8 pages, not a single Muslim had the moral conviction, out of shame, to solely condemn the incident. The only nonsense you will hear from "moderates" is: "... but let us respect each other's religion" -- enforcing blasphemy laws where there are none. It doesn't matter how liberal a country is - US, Sweden, UK - they always try to enforce unacceptable blasphemy laws on people who don't subscribe to such!

Any idea, religion or person's conduct can be criticized; it is your responsibility to bring up counter-arguments to prove otherwise, not to respond with violence as barbarians do -- unable to control their emotions.

This is exactly why I find most Muslims to be absolutely pathetic. If you can't take the heat, don't play the game -- pack your bags and form your country where absolute authoritarian laws reign!

Seun's rules only serve to entrench the idea of Muslim exclusivity. Special privileges, protection from criticisms, to keep them from going violent. Like they're fvcking babies!

Primesky:
God said " I will greatly increase thy pain..." So the pain was already there. So please, don't try to discredit the word of God. The pain women have is more than what its supposed to be. Take it or live it. Thanks.

Going through with this line of reasoning, one has to wonder why pain (no matter how small) existed BEFORE the original sin as everything was perfect and Adam+Eve were created in his image. Wouldn't make sense for pain to exist before the curse.

But like NPComplete said, these arguments are only for educational purposes. They're trivial compared to other logical inconsistencies in the Bible.

basugar441:


You reek of Hypocrisy

You are here ranting about Muslims being intolerant and yet you are still tge same person using all sort prejudicial adjectives for the Muslims. Fvcking?

Who is fooling who?

And BTW, i see no reason why should be in the ISLAM section if you are not here to learn. Your belief is yours and yours alone, we don't care what you believe in. We believe in what you guys call "old tales"...... Deal with it

AideeSheks:

Do you not just see the hypocrisy reeking out from the jabberwocky you just spewed.
You complain of a set of people you deem as intolerant, yet you're the one who is hell-bent on making everyone be like you by imposing liberalism down their throats.
If that is not double standard, then I don't know what is...

Hypocrisy? Double standard? Surely you do not understand the meaning of liberalism. Criticism of ANYONE'S assertions, moral outlook, ideologies etc is at the heart of liberalism. Even an extremist can be liberal as long as he is willing to bring forth his ideas to the altar of liberalism for test via criticisms as well as criticize others' ideas!!

The real irony is the fact that, like the OP, Muslims [and Christians, and basically all religious groups] love talking about their superior moral standing WITH RESPECT TO "kufrs" + talking about how their views are the right ones HOWEVER you guys [MUSLIMS MOST ESPECIALLY] do not want a level playing field whereby your views are EQUALLY OPEN TO CRITICISMS! You criticize others but prefer protection from criticisms, exclusivity, the right to take offense to criticisms, and blasphemy laws.

Now, that's double standards!

I am not the intolerant one, I'm merely criticizing OP's views. The honest fact is that your religion needs massive reforms to ensure peaceful co-existence, not just in Nigeria but everywhere!

Haha!

The rantings of some fvcking intolerant caveman who gets excited by the smallest patch of female skin and thinks he's morally superior to others that don't believe in his Allah and his dark ages way of life. Imagine labelling other people as filth because they don't cover up their bodies like fvcking mummies!

Southerners don't deserve to share a nation with these arseholes. They don't give a fvck about secularism or democracy. And it's not just the northern Muslims. I've spoken with "moderate" Algerian, Turkish, Pakistani, Saudi, etc. people and they're mostly the fvcking same!

They ultimately want their way of life imposed on others. For women to cover their bodies from head to toe. It's why the average northern muslim sees nothing wrong with Usman Dan Fodio's conquest as it was "his moral obligation to purify" the land -- land that's neither his nor his people's!



Finally, Seun does the country more harm than good by protecting Islam and her adherents from criticism. These muslim threads only contribute to entrenching a highly intolerant, non-liberal ideology. A meeting point for the exchange and spread of fundamentalist ideas -- one can only imagine the tens of thousands of Nigerian Muslims that believe the utter nonsense in these threads!

ScorpioMoon:
the dumb Nigerian government should invest in training farmers,builders, welders, woodworker or carpenters. All Nigerians want to be doctor or engineer. They look down on carpentry ,welding and farming. dumb stupid people ,you need 20 lashes to get your head right on track.

This is the better way

It's not really the people's fault. Even if they wanted to learn, there's no one available to teach them at the standard level. And it's also not because everyone wants to be an engineer or a doctor. We also don't have competent engineers that can build stuff. It's the same in these fields --- a general dearth of skill and professionalism in the country.

The problem is the government. Her lack of investment in equipmemt, teachers, technical schools, engineering etc. The government is being run by illiterates and greedy lawyers+bankers who focus on short term profits.

free2ryhme:


banking i can understand

But health, power and transportation systems is what this piece must explain because the last time i checked our health system is one of the most useless in the world and we dont have any power and transport system

Haha! The funniest part was where he advocated for data encryption as a solution. As if there's a single fvcking computer in any of our useless general hospital.

Summary:
Inexplicably huge personnel costs, wage bill of just one university higher than Ebonyi + Ekiti IGR combined, budget used to fund their PhD studies [most likely including travel expenses] when in reality they shouldn't be employed by the university precisely because they have no PhD degree. Despite the huge budget [not including grants and donations etc], there's no equipment +sub-human living conditions for students + these criminals frequently threaten strike action.


Building prisons will be my number 2 agenda if I were to be your president!

An educated and responsible government would embark on awareness programmes to educate fellow citizens on why you can't possibly turn body parts into money, that rituals are barbaric, primitive and infantile, publicly call out religious leaders and other pagan spiritualists who reinforce such ideas for their personal gain etc.

However, since 99.9% of Nigerians believe in the spiritual, leaders included, no one is willing to attack the root cause as it affects their beliefs -- even at the annual cost of hundreds of lives to rituals and loss of property to offerings + tithes (fundamentally the same thing).

Herein lies the major danger of active spiritualism --- the belief that the supernatural always influences the natural; hence, the need to offer intercessory incentives like property and human lives. Along with the corrosion of the important societal ideal that it's ultimately your responsibility to handle whatever comes your way a.k.a hardwork + self development + time management.

SMH.

Nigerians are really fvcking stupid. Just because Anton Lavey talked about humanoids for sexual purposes and blended it with his ideology in the 80s, they think it's some satanic prophesy and the world is gonna end. Mad people!

Many people have predicted such long before the 1980s e.g. think old sci-fi novelists -- Phillip K. Dick's 1968 "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" or Isaac Asimov's books and many more. Any futurist, sci-fi enthusiast, transhumanist, or basically anyone with an imagination knows tech will inevitably lead to innovation in the sex industry -- e.g. think about the impending impact of VR/AR. There are even philosophers e.g. John Danaher, Sven Nyholm etc. who focus on the social and ethical implications of virtual/robot sex.

I don't even know why the topic of intimacy gadgets (at such a low level) is a recurring discussion in Nigeria.

It's becoming tiring but I have to keep repeating: Fucking enlighten yourselves!

Maezara:
Hey bro, I don't really understand this post. Can you explain better pls?

I'm saying that we constantly show the rest of the world our inability to have discussions about important stuff at the level of our peers around the globe. Because we don't know anything... on average.

All this started because of what happened to Aziz or so guy.

As a result, people in the developed part of the world talked about the flaws of new age feminism, the dangerous postmodernist, post-truth and unscientific underpinnings of gender studies and so on.

While in Nigeria (& some other sub-saharan African countries), it led to an argument on the equivalency between sex dolls and women - an avenue for males to bash women, while the women retorted with claims that men would miss their "enviable" qualities as a maid.

I leave you to make inferences and conclusions on the level of intellectual discourse in our society. Keep on allowing your leaders allocate 7% of the budget on education.


And surely, everyone with an iota of sense around the world notices these things.

Like someone once said, many Africans (Nigerians especially) don't really understand how the world works. Everyone keeps blaming "African leaders" like they're intellectually and morally different from us. I'll state the following key facts:

1. Power, respect, political clout, and wealth are not conferred like titles, they're earned.

2. Political influence, technological advantage and wealth are created by GAINING AND USING KNOWLEDGE - political philosophy, science, economics etc. By extension, power and respect has roots in GAINING KNOWLEDGE.

3. Claiming "equality" solely because you're also humans like them, or because of some universal declaration of human rights is simply not enough. We need to be at their level intellectually, to be able to do what they can do. Until then, no one will ever be really convinced that you're an equal!

So, it's apparent that the most important thing we can do to get outta this embarassing mess, if we care for the future of our kids, is to GAIN KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THINGS WORK!

You might claim it's the "African leaders'" job to provide quality education - true to an extent; however, the ultimate responsibility lies on each and everyone to educate oneself, especially in this situation we find ourselves in. The government has done a shoddy job but at least, you can read, write and use the internet. Take free online courses in whatever interests you - they're always introductory, never stop there. Download the required books and read them in a thorough and disciplined fashion. Even if you allocate just 2 hours of your free time per week, you'll eventually finish the book. Cut down on TV + wasted weekends of religious activities and owambe parties. Read 1 random article on philosophy/history/science per week. Free sites with a wealth of interesting articles: Quartz, Aero magazine, Futurism, Science, Wired, Mashable etc. LEARN!

When a good number of us put in the necessary hard work to improve ourselves intellectually and pass it on to our offspring, we'll naturally have a better pool of people to choose leaders from. American intellectual founding fathers didn't just pop out of nowhere. It takes time for a society to produce true intellectuals!!

Exciton:
Everyone is moving forward apart from this fvcking sh!thole country where the average man believes one can magically transform limbs into bank notes. Low quality people in this country has us at least 500-1000 years behind.

I've read a series of new arguments and I apologize for the harsh words. It's childish of me to blame the common SS African for his ignorance, lack of drive to learn, and inability to reason critically. It's not even really the leaders' fault cos most are just like the rest.

Hehehehe. Since I can't lament on their threads, let me vomit here:

Fücking rigid stone age religion.

Constantly subjugating women + always worried that any action might be sinful due to their literalist take on their MANY "holy" writings. Just look at the shitty Friday topics: is it a sin to burn my hair with fire? Is it a sin to sück my big fat bälls?

Total way of life my ass -- it's an authoritarian political ideology that seeks complete control over every aspect of life.

Allowing hijabs anywhere other than in Muslim theocratic societies, not to speak of our court rooms, is nothing more than compromise for peace to reign. Hijab is a political statement of feminine subjugation, not a cultural or religious head gear -- unfortunately, I didn't pose this stronger argument claim against hijab use when the controversy was fresh.

Unfortunately, there's no organization in Nigeria empowered by the government to monitor finances of religious organizations for transparency.

One only needs basic common sense to know that Nigerian pastors are fraudsters and they ought to rot in jail.

EZEIGBO1OFIMO:
most definitely true . when our folks are all bout "who book EPP".. 'life is all about the money ooh" etc etc, its hard to get optimistic...
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on another note, Transistors are getting smaller (now in the 30nm range), how much longer before we hit quantum city. are there any possibilities currently being researched by "your people"

Lol. As long as we can build mansion and buy cars, wetin concern us...

There has always been quantum effects. Electric conduction in transistors (or any solid state electronic module) is fully governed by quantum mechanics. There would be no modern solid state electronics without quantum mech knowledge. The main miniaturization issues, I think (not exactly my field), should be heating and controlling current tunneling rate through parts that are meant to be insulating.

What's being done? I have no idea. Maybe the solution will come from applying materials with useful properties (e.g topological insulators) or spintronics - maybe by arranging transistors with different spin currents to reduce interference effects or some sh!t.

Make I do quick research on proposed solutions sef.

EZEIGBO1OFIMO:
The Chinese did not innovate the product, they innovated the economics; Hinging on Large scale production techniques to beat down price to the barest minimum possible. The reason I use comparative advantage more instead of Innovation. I prefer to always be realistic, as see things as they are. We have exactly no comparative advantage yet in this country, and probably won't in a long time. I think the problem here is that you're not a science person, hence the positivism. Now , what does students have done is
1) Get the Hardware parts from China or USA
2)Piece the Hardware together functionally
3)Get open source flight control and aerodynamic firmware online.
4) Copy and paste this code on whatever flight controller, that they have bought and installed on their assembled hardware.
5) Get open source monitoring and tracking system to use for realtime testing and usage.
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What they have simple done is CTRL C + CTRL V with exactly zero input; they did not see it fit to add customized periphery e.g Image processing DSP for maybe agricultural systems, Security etc. There's no comparative advantage whatsoever in what they have done. and honestly the only way people improve is when they DO NOT celebrate mediocrity . Fine, they probably deserve an A in their project score, but to come and expect adulation and highest of praises, na lie
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cc Exciton omohayek , come and see your people

Hehe. Most people don't know how far behind and hopeless our situation is. Hence the optimism.

I don't know much about economics to say anything useful. I know you're right about how globalization impedes industrial growth in underdeveloped countries and that globalization was in its infancy when Asian countries were growing. HOWEVER, comparative advantage or not, we need to start somewhere because I don't think we can ever become a developed nation without going through an enlightenment and industrialization age.

Only two ways of skipping an industrialization age that comes to mind (in my limited imagination) is: some mind blowing tech to create finished goods out of thin air which is unlikely, and the use of highly developed AI to do our manufacturing for us. The AI might as well rule/discard us as we would be utterly useless!

Anyways, I don't think any of these would happen. I also don't think we'll ever get to an enlightenment & fully industrialized age within the life time of Nigeria as a sovereign nation. I think we are already on an inevitable path to, yet again, become a colony and, this time around, be fully absorbed into a more developed nation or federation. I'm not an optimist!

What a horrible thread!

OP got like 250 or so likes!! If some white guy reads this and calls Nigerians fücking stupid illiterates, you'll all be screaming racism. It's 2018 and fvcking stupid cavemen think you can "steal kitten destiny" with handkerchiefs.

If we are about 150 million, at least 100 million of us can't tell the difference between real and fictional stories as long as superstition is involved. And the same fvcking idi0ts wonder why Nigeria isn't developing.

We have no future as a people at this rate. Ignorance and stupidity is our culture.

EZEIGBO1OFIMO:
a lot of biographies and pre-civil war writings shows that a lot of Nigerians drifted more towards the arts and humanities, the few in the sciences were almost all gone by the end of babangida's SAP. A simple example, that I want to give is the International Mathematics Olympiad; save for south Africa and North Africa that fields white contestants, No african country has won a single medal except for Nigeria's not so deserved bronze medal in '11(dude answered only one question, the easiest). These students are supposedly picked through rigorous competition and are given hard core math drills, yet for some reason they are never able to answer one single question at the IMO. The situation becomes worse in the international Physics Olympiad where all the African contestants routinely score zero. Same story in the ICho, The informatics Olympiad. The situation is aptly described in Feynman's memoir when he visited Brazil and complained that not a single person was learning science there even though they excelled in class. The average African, save for a few like you , have not and will never know the joys of science. it's somehow not just in most of us.

Yeah. I've also noticed most people drifted into law (oil and gas law) and economics/finance while the "engineers" went into management. Apart from that, we have had writers and you have to agree that some have been really good at it (e.g. Wole Soyinka, Chinua Achebe etc). So it looks like it might just have been lack of childhood exposure and a lack of proper teachers to thoroughly teach the basics. From our daily Naija news, you can see that some people are trying to "invent" stuff but lack knowledge.

Sorry my thoughts are a bit shitty at the moment... lots of drinks

ScienceWatch:
Can you point me to any guidelines in the OP ? Forgive me for thinking that discussing the moral and ethical values of the faked Homo Neanderthals. Or even the advanced intelligence of these scientifically fabricated Homos.

Lets explore this science fiction as if it were real. I am an invited quest, but it is only after I arrived at great cost to myself that I found the tables to be empty. If you look under to OP's foot, you will find money I put there to save him from embarrassment.

Lol. Go and read real science books and get a good grip of the basics, you'd naturally arrive at the correct conclusion without any help. "Arguing" with you at this stage is honestly an exercise in futility.

EZEIGBO1OFIMO:
a lot of biographies and pre-civil war writings shows that a lot of Nigerians drifted more towards the arts and humanities, the few in the sciences were almost all gone by the end of babangida's SAP. A simple example, that I want to give is the International Mathematics Olympiad; save for south Africa and North Africa that fields white contestants, No african country has won a single medal except for Nigeria's not so deserved bronze medal in '11(dude answered only one question, the easiest). These students are supposedly picked through rigorous competition and are given hard core math drills, yet for some reason they are never able to answer one single question at the IMO. The situation becomes worse in the international Physics Olympiad where all the African contestants routinely score zero. Same story in the ICho, The informatics Olympiad. The situation is aptly described in Feynman's memoir when he visited Brazil and complained that not a single person was learning science there even though they excelled in class. The average African, save for a few like you , have not and will never know the joys of science. it's somehow not just in most of us.

I can easily explain why we never do well at the IMO because I first saw the questions when I was at Secondary school and also couldn't solve a full question. Look at our foremost math competition in Nigeria: Cowbell. It's basically EASY plug and play speed math. Nothing more. It doesn't involve any complex problem solving skill. And I watched a movie about the training of kids for the IMO. I assure you, there's not a SINGLE secondary school teacher that can teach our kids number theory and the likes that's a necessary pre-requisite to solve most IMO level problems.

The reason we perform so poorly at the IMO is simply because we have no one to teach our kids the tools needed to solve those kinda problems. It's nothing intrinsic. That I am 100% sure of.