I wonder when we'll become smart enough for critical thinking. These old fvckers ruling us go just dey do leg over for the uneducated youth who have no future.

Most of the rubbish in this article is nothing but an exercise in day dreaming. Economic plans with ambiguous unrealistic goals and zero means of achieving them.

Example: The Plan envisages that by 2020, Nigeria would have made significant progress towards achieving structural economic change with a more diversified and inclusive economy.

What is the definition of "significant"? What are the explicitly laid out plans for achieving this unrealistic goal? Etc etc.

Newmanluckyman:
... A woman should learn how to take charge of her body. A woman that wants to get pregnant will get pregnant and the one that doesn't want will not. Not every sexual relationship results in pregnancy. Pre-marital sex is purely for recreational purposes unless the woman decides/says otherwise.

Page 7 and this is the only sensible comment I've seen on this thread.

Poor education will lead us to doom in this country. Half of these problems are a result of poor sex education.

Also, this thread shows the true meaning of marriage in the Nigerian society. It's basically our socially accepted avenue to make babies. Not for love but for babies, which in truth is rooted in ego and social status.

Children aren't a necessary condition for marriage; neither is marriage a necessary condition for having children.

Just read the comments. Nigerians are functional illiterates.

Damn!! I want this babe. I don't care if this is heavily photoshopped or that she already has a child.

What the fvck is wrong with us in Nigeria

When are we shut down Aso Rock and demand for good schools for our children Even the expensive education the privileged few get in Nigeria is absolutely worthless.

We are the most foolish people in the world. Our GDP is higher than these African countries, yet they have better schools, better transport systems, better security, better everything!

But we'll sit back and let useless old unenlightened thieves ruin the future of our children unborn.

The smart Nigerian child has little chances of exploring his potential and chasing after his dreams because his useless country won't provide the equipment and environment necessary for learning and creativity. His only option is to become an autodidact and hope for scholarships from foreign countries or if he's lucky, his parents can afford to send him outta the rotten nation.

What the fvck is more important than the future of our children?

Fvcking useless people. Always arguing about useless tribes, useless religions and useless political parties. I'm angry I was born in a nation of 200 million spineless functional illiterates.

The worst part is that some are still arguing that their respective shithole they graduated from is better than this.

How in fvck's name is this commendable? washing them like dogs.

And what's the key reason for the inhumane treatment rife in our nation? Overpopulation + poor education. Idiots won't stop multiplying like viruses. Marrying and fucking and suffering and dying. That's the low quality life we've condemned ourselves to.

I don't understand why these people don't get the fact that overpopulation + poor education + limited resources = insecurity + famine + increased lack of empathy + perpetuity of the poverty cycle.

Spoke with these children when I served in Borno. Most don't even know their age.

Almajiri style of education and Sharia has to be banned in Nigeria. Four children max. has to become law in Naija. The government needs to enforce a common standard of education across all states and it must be compulsory up till sec. school.

Imagine how different our society would look if every Nigerian citizen had to take these courses throughout senior sec school level: 1. critical reasoning (to be skeptical and be able to spot a lie no matter how nice the lie sounds or looks), 2. empathy (to prevent rash actions/judgement on others by being able to place oneself in another's shoes), 3. government (to know our rights and responsibilities as a citizen), and 4. history (so we understand that culture and religion aren't special).

Even if it's for citizenship, I do not see a reason why any sane person will sign up to join the army of a foreign country so that you can protect people that you have no cultural or family ties with.

For one's safety, it would be better if it were some country that hardly ever goes to war. Not the US army that's always at war.

I pity her.

me69:
Your argument plainly exposes how confused you are about what you are being told.

1) first make a distinction between democracy and republic. A republic system of governance system guarantees freedom of religion up to the extent that it doesn't infringe on republican values, those values are universal according to them that is why western governments see mainstream religions as bad and try to change religions to conform with republicans values such as sexual liberation and other religious sins, so you they might call some muslims "moderate". And in fact islamic laws have always protected to freedom of religion across times that is why you have christians and jews in muslim societies living peacefully till today

2) You dont know abou that part of history. I challenge you bring one example in history where muslim armies have committed massacres on civilian populations. Muslim armies would only fight against army. In fact it is part of islamic law ( that you hate so much) that when muslims fight war they don't figh women, children, old people, and the people that do not fight them, also it is allowed for muslims to destroy properties during war like buidings, and not destroy the nature around. Also, i certainly believe that my most farther ancestors (Adam and Eve) were muslims.

3) Of course islamic law is more elevated than the constitution, if you think them saraki can come up with laws better than that of God, then i leave you with God the day you shall die and be return to him for reckoning.

4) I am also in full support of that, i think islamic law has the potential to address the ills that make up this society like corruption, and also will provide a platform for economic success by tackling the principal issue preventing entrepreneurship which is property rights.

Boko Haram don't share islamic values, they violate islamic law on a daily basis by killing innocent people. Under sharia law Boko haram people would be executed

your first point was rubbish.

your second point is pure fantasy. You've obviously never read about the islamization of northern Africa. The Adam and Eve crap is fiction. Evolutionary biology says otherwise.

Your third point is your opinion.

I fully agree with your fourth point. I shouldn't have to share citizenship with people who share your views. We both deserve the opportunity to develop our regions in a way we see fit. Mine through science and liberal views, yours through islamic scholarship (whatever the hell that means) and sharia.

ib22003:
That on no pain me. In the last episode of homeland sekou bah a Nigeria America detonated a bomb with a van in new York and they mentioned he had ties to boko harm. Sekou bah is not even a Nigerian name

You noticed it too. I was annoyed when I saw it but it's nothing compared to a new series (Six) that basically portrayed Nigeria as a nation overtaken by Boko Haram and even had a stronghold in the Niger Delta area. 90% of what they portrayed as our language was unintelligible nonsense. The whole thing was just a shameful and upsetting mess.

The honest fact is that no one respects poor and weak nations because we have no say in the grand scheme of things - especially the African countries and since Nigeria is the most popular of them all, we get disrespected more frequently to the extent that other African nations believe it.

The only way out is to work together to build a rich and powerful nation that has the power to place sanctions on whoever treats us like sh!t.

There is no glory or honour in being poor and helpless and without a voice. We need to become strong!

The annoying thing is that Nigerians will crack stupid jokes as usual about something as important as our image.

We should demand that our bloody useless Foreign Affairs ministry do their goddamn job to ensure that Nigerians face as little discrimination as possible around the world. We should demand that our security agencies make it fucking hard for those drug dealing bastards and their likes to get out of the country.

Finally, we should also do our homework - making such lines of work to be a thing of shame in our society.

But of course, I dey yarn dust. The nation is filled with mad people who prefer to crack jokes and lament on social media at the expense of real development and a healthy image.

me69:
In my own land Ebe, This brainwashing is very effective oooo. I would assume that you don't believe in God because you reject the notion that God governs everything. The fact is that every people or nation has the right to believe what it wishes and live the way it wants to. And any people or country that tries to undermine that, are the ones creating the problems. Muslim people have seen their land invaded over the past decencies in the name of your secular democratic nation creating wars and killing million of innocent Muslims. The secular people are the real terrorists. You want us to do has you do, believe what you believe, just as the white colonials masters did to blacks, they believed black people were inferior as well as their culture that is why they wanted them to abandon their languages and culture for western culture, and they continue to do so with media today.

YOU ARE A VICTIM OF THAT, YOU CAN'T THINK FOR YOURSELVES NO MORE AND YOUR CULTURE AND BELIEVE ARE DISAPPEARING. we Muslim believers are enjoyed by God the almighty to never abandon our believes even in the face of tyranny or death and never take other laws above the laws of God. We fought for those rights 1400 ago at the time of Prophet PBUH and we will continue to do so today and the religion of islam will continue to spread as it has always been (inshALLAH)

Arguing with people like you is impossible. So I'll get straight to the point:

1. A democratic system guarantees freedom of religion up to the extent that it doesn't infringe on other people's freedom, so religious laws certainly aren't above the nation's laws.

2. Your one-sided rant about the western aggressive expansion is ignorant and naive at best. Islam's spread into Africa was equally violent. It's also funny how you implicitly imply that your ancestors had always been Muslims when you were blabbing about culture.

3. I know most of you Muslims believe that Islamic laws are more important than the laws of Nigeria. So, why don't you people stop pretending? Why can't you call for a referendum to split the nation in two? One governed by sharia, the other by a democratic constitution.

4. I am in full support of a referendum to split this nation in two because having a group of people who ALL agree to be governed by ONE set of laws is necessary for sustainable growth and stability.

The honest fact is that you guys do not respect the laws of Nigeria and you're unwilling to change. It's why we have Boko Haram (they want Sharia for the country), it's why we have Sharia operating in a secular country, it's why we have herdsmen killing around instead of going to a court to table their grievances if they have any, it's why we have a parallel system of education even though it's infinitely inferior (almajiri) etc etc.

That's all. I hope you don't reply.

me69:
No one can tell a Muslim what is allowed and forbidden to him except ALLAH SWT. Sanusi is stepping his bounds, if he came as emir to be custodian of western culture and ideas then he should vacant his seat. We are Muslim before anything else and you cannot make haram what ALLAH Has made Halal. This is also a warning to any pegan, human being worshippers that called themselves Christians, you better mind your business when it comes to Islamic faith. You guys worship a man so we Muslims have nothing good to take from you

This is exactly why people like you cannot coexist peacefully with normal liberal people in a democratic system governed by a constitution that guarantees certain freedoms and rights that your likes are eternally against.

You don't seem to get it, you do not live in a society governed by your Allah. You live in a secular democratic Nation. If you can't handle it, pack your bags and go to Saudi Arabia or Yemen or some other Islamic theocracy!

I honestly couldn't give a fvck if they married 10 wives. Just don't have more than 2 kids.

This needs to become law in Nigeria. Lots of fucking useless functional illiterates with sense less than that of an average 7 year old are producing legions of kids across the nation.

Poverty, hunger, crime etc will keep rising as long as Nigerians keep giving birth like chickens with neither the financial resources nor the intellectual and emotional capacity to raise children who are to become functional members of the society.

lastmaster:
If Christians are a bit aggressive and violence in nature as their muslim counterparts. I am sure everyone we be behaving him or her self in an orderly manner, because the moment you say something negative about my religion, I will just draw out my sword like a swordsman and you are dead.Because I will make sure I bisect and disect the fool until there is now blood in him.By then, this insult will stop.

Lol. Unfortunately, you're in the wrong religion.

Boko Haram is in need of suicide bombers though. Your violent tendencies will be a plus on your CV.




But really, Seun must end the protection of muslim threads. We need to make fun of those guys too.

GodIsBiafran:


I disagree Akin is right. If benji doesn't know what he is talking about then there is no way he is correct. Also on magnetic field due to a charge vs magnetic force experienced by a charge, Akin is right and benji is wrong. Trust me, I would love to see Akin wrong since he is one of my archenemies in politics section, but on this thread, Akin's posts are the most accurate and scientific - whether I like the guy or not.

benji93:

is there any experimental proof that an electron could be in a box and outside a box at the same time, there is none, thts a theory, there is a proof of the wave-like behaviour of electrons(double slit),you seem not to be following the argument, i am not disputing the verity of this fact, but i am disputing the reason provided for it.The double slit experiment explains the wave-like behaviour, due to the effect of superposition.Generally we ascribe this to the probablistic behaviour of electrons, but i dont agree with this fact.A theory in this regard is a proposal meant to express a fact,the theory could be correct but the reason provided for the theory could be reasonable but tht does not make it true.So in certain cases, a theory could be a reason for an occurence,in other cases a theory could be the occurence itself.We need to understand which stance a proposal takes.

This is why I said benji93 was right. I didn't bother to read his post that I used to create my reply. I only wanted to point out the diff between Q.tunneling and superposition.

Now, I go add my summary on their argument:

Akin was definitely wrong when he claimed a state consisting of a particle existing in 2 places at once has been experimentally verified. According to QM, such states exist but they can't be measured directly because of wavefunction collapse upon measurement. While QT is basically a phenomenon whereby the particle has a non-zero probability of crossing a finite potential barrier when it's energy is less than the said barrier. That has been experimentally verified... in fact, it's the basis of modern electronics. Akin was clearly right about this. But Akin was wrong to claim that a particle can tunnel through an infinite potential barrier. That's not possible, the probability is zero.

Benji93 doesn't agree with the probabilistic nature of measurement in QM. That's okay. Some people don't agree with the Copenhagen interpretation. They think QM isn't a complete theory. But Benji doesn't disagree for the same reasons that they do. His hypothesis is very wrong. Benji doesn't understand these concepts clearly I think.

Now the rest, Akin is obviously right. Didn't bother about these cos you don't even need a brain cell to find the answers on google. Benji93's statements on these are wrong and shows he doesn't understand these as well.

1. Only moving charges can experience a magnetic force.

2. Only accelerating charges can radiate EM waves.

3. Basically everything Benji93 wrote isn't correct. Apart from the experimental proof part.

masonkz:
Same thing happened to my cousin when he was very young. Teachers and his parents kept abusing him for drawing and painting imaginary/abstract stuffs. Eventually they ended up succeeding in making him stop all forms of drawing.

Sad thing is... he was never good at reading et al. Hence he never did well in school...up to his university days. Heck they pushed him into studying what he couldn't deal with, even though he expressed interest in Theatre Arts/Fine Arts.


Today he's at home with same parents, dropped out cos he couldn't cope with school...and finally trying to rejuvenate his drawing skills. Imagine all the wasted years, instead of allowing the guy to develop his skills from childhood.





I'll keep repeating it. Superstitions would lead us no where but would keep taking us backwards

This, I believe, is the most important reason why we haven't had any real development in the country.

Coupled with religious beliefs and unwavering worship of elders, making money at all costs is at the core of our societal values in this country.

I believe this makes Nigerian parents and the Nigerian society to heavily discourage individualism, to always push kids to repeat the same thing that other generations have done: go to school, get a job, get married, work all day all night till retirement and die.

Never having a moment to take a step back and wonder: why am I existing? Why am I living this kinda dreary life? Why do I have to do the same things they did to survive? Why can't I create something new and add value to the society?

Advanced societies understand this important concept: balancing individualism and collectivism. That's why they have artists, scientists, music composers, engineers etc that can create and and value to their society.

It's also the reason why most of us have degrees but can't create sh!t. Creativity is discouraged in this country. So people get degrees to get a nice paying job. Not because they really wanna use their knowledge to create.

What's with this thread turning stale and crappy and pseudo-scienfic in such a short amount of time

I thought this will be a nice thread for smart Nigerians to talk about cool stuff!

benji93:

you miscontrued the point, i used the word "both", the electron has a non-zero probability of being outside the box after time t,no argument about that that, but this statement does not mean an electron can exist both in the box and out of the box at the same time, it only means the electron either exists in the box or out of the box, with each likely occurrence having its probability.In other words i mean the probability of it existing both in the box and out of the box is 0.and stop repeating the statement,it has been proven experimentally decades ago, i am disputing the phenomenon "quantum tunnelling" anyone can check that out on google.

I'll wade in on this. I don't care about the rest, I'm sure you guys can resolve that.

Actually, benji93 is right on this. But he got the name wrong. The phenomenon of a multitude of possible states existing at the same time isn't quantum tunneling but it's a quantum superposition of states.

Since any physical measurement necessarily decoheres a quantum superposed state thereby yielding any of its components depending on their respective probability amplitudes (i.e wavefunction collapse upon measurement), it's impossible to observe a quantum superposed state e. g observing a state where Schrödinger's cat is simultaneously dead and alive.

That is exactly the reason why the existence of quantum superposed states is among the postulates of quantum mechanics. Keyword: postulate.

So, it can't be directly proven but including it in the formalism of QM is very necessary for QM to work.

But QM works really well, so it seems they might really exist but it can't be proven... maybe until someone finds a way of avoiding wavefunction collapse. The reality we will be able to see will be utterly stupefying!

Or someone finds a way of formulating QM without the need for superposed states, leading to the death of probability and the resurgence of determinism. The world will become sad and boring!

There's a nice new sci-fi novel (Dark Matter) that explores the idea of being able to avoid the collapse of a wavefunction and then picking any one of the available states thatake up a quantum superposed state... a novel about human choices and possibilities!

I hope this clears your misunderstanding on this issue.

Cohen-Tannoudji Vol 1 and 2 was my bible for 4 months. OP should have started with the basics (the postulates) for beginners.

Statsocial:

You keep talking trash as usual. There are about 100 reputable international journals in the world and d vast majority of CU's publications are there. You owe me no explanation simply because you are a deplorable liar. I initially thought you were one of those guys who spent four years of his life sniffing drugs and probably got suspended for years and yet blame d uni for the misery you caused yourself. For a CU alumnus you seem very ignorant about CU in totality, else we wouldn't need to explain certain stuff to you-Now don't run to google to 'cook' up some more lies because you certainly should know we would query you on things google can't answer for you. Also you appear very ignorant about the essence of research. But i wont indulge you-Hell No! You called CU research poo and yet it is d 2nd best in Nigeria which means it is better than any other 'poo' research university in Nigeria. Even an Harvard professor would never say the rubbish you are saying because research is always local before global so if your research isn't addressing National or Regional issues, then it isn't needed. Now u asking me what is the aim of these argument, like r u kidding me! The aim of this thread was to give reasons why church universities were expensive until all u folks came along with your crap argument. Now don't bother quoting me again cos ur argument stinks to high heavens.

Sniffing drugs and suspended for years. Lol. You're truly a CU guy - worker or student. A fucking ignorant and childish one if I might add.

So no one thinks I'm a fraud, I shall describe your combined Chem Eng and Pet Eng department to you. It was new when we were about leaving. It has some utterly useless pilot plants and labs with no DI water on the ground floor (how anyone runs an experiment without DI water is just shocking), and the HOD's office is on the topmost floor for the chem eng side.Probably the most sophisticated spectroscopic equipment in that building is a UV-Vis that no one ever used in our time, not to talk of having real materials xterization equipment. You should ask Prof Hymore, the only decent lecturer the department ever had till date, who his best reaction kinetics student ever was. Heard he left a while ago.

Now let me educate you on research. Journals are ranked by impact factor or any equivalent ranking index. Your "research goes local before going global" statement is horseshit. Even if you do an experiment in Afghanistan or in Sao Tome, as long as it's novel and reproducible, you can get published in the best of journals - and the best is basically Nature in the science community. However, most people, for career reasons and to secure grants, go for quantity and make lots of unoriginal research. They then send their manuscripts to low rated journals and no name open access journals with poor peer review for publication. Now, the reason I'm calling CU research substandard is because they neither have the equipment nor have they EVER had an article published in any journal with an impact factor up to 5. Lol. 5 is probably too high, let's make it 3!

Are government unis better? Maybe, maybe not.That's why I said CU is the only exception in private schools but they're all still crap in the end. However, OAU is probably the only university in Nigeria with a useful research institute (CERD) that has useful equipment (or claim to, don't know if they work). Heard it's got XRD, low energy beam tandem accelerator, and some other useful stuff. That means, they can carry out better research and have the opportunity to publish in higher rated journals. Now you see the difference!

Can CU afford to get XRD, TEM, SEM, SQUID, STM, etc? Surely not. They haven't got the money to buy all these stuff. But government schools can, because government and private investment. Doesn't mean our useless government has done so though.

It's unfortunate you don't understand my original argument and you CU lovers turned the thread into a "CU is a world class institution" argument.

Statsocial:

First what department did you attend in CU?
Secondly, the excellence indicator on webonetric ranking ranks top citations from the 26% of the highest ranked scholars in the world and CU is 2nd highest. Well I have 5 professors from d department I graduated from so let me know your department so I can check.

Goodness gracious!! Where the fvck are you getting your info from CU is 2nd highest in the world?? This is the most ridiculous thing I shall see this week.

I've checked their publications. As expected, the journals that published their "research" have the lowest impact factor imaginable. Sh!t open access journals that I can make sh!t up today and it gets accepted for publication tomorrow as long as I pay APC. The highest rating I saw is 2.3. Have you seen some of the science papers? Excel grade graph quality, questionable methodology, etc.

The problem is that I'm arguing with people who know nothing about good scientific research, who don't understand that publishing your work at a 0.93 rated journal is tantamount to career suicide in developed countries, who thinks publishing 500 papers that have no scientific relevance in sh!t "international" journals is great work.

Honestly, what's the aim of this argument? That CU is a world class university? I'm sorry, it isn't. You don't have sh!t.

I'm gonna ignore your questions about what course I did at CU. I owe you no explanation on that.

Statsocial:

Secondly don't be mentally lazy. I stated clearly that the ranking was for Nigeria and you are still asking if it was Ogun state. If you doubt the credibility of the result you can go argue with the scholars who found their journals worthy of citation

No you never stated that the ranking was for Naija. You made it seem like it was worldwide.

Only if you understand how often people site nonsense. Since I do research and you don't, I'll give you an example:

I once measured hole and electron mobility in a polymeric material used in organic electronic devices via transient photoconductivity (of course, no Nigerian institution has any optics setup or clean room or thermal evaporators with UHV chambers or anything whatsoever that I needed to do this work including your almighty CU). I checked basically all papers related with this issue, only THREE out of 60 or so papers I checked cited the original source of the mobility value they stated. Only 1 out of the remaining 3 bothered to state that the value was based on the FET method which gives higher estimates. I'm talking of high impact papers in Nature and Physics Review, not CU horseshit published at King Saud or Procedia Manufacturing journals. As long as it fits with whatever you wanna write, people will cite your article. One more thing, shit papers often cite equally shit papers while good papers heading for the likes of Nature can't afford to cite shit papers.


Mentally lazy. Lol. I'm done arguing with bloody amateurs who probably work for CU and think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

TheVictorious:


Lool oga, which year did you graduate, I doubt you know what CUCRID is, I doubt you know what telemedicine is, I'm sure you dont know what reverse engineering is, I believe when you were in CU, there were no smart boards in every class that can access the internet, I know you didn't use the e-learning moodle with samsung tabs. Lastly I'm very sure you've never been to unilag (which I live close to) or ony other federal school in Nigeria to compare the "poor" developing CU you attended with their present state. BTW, which program did you take? I rest my case

Finished 2010. You can forget about any more info as regards that cos I cherish my anonymity.

Of course, we didn't have those learning aids at that time. But that's just what they are, nothing more. These things have little effect on overall academic quality. What's important is teaching quality and research equipment. I'd rather Feynman taught me physics under a mango tree than some incompetent guy with all the learning aids available in a lovely class with AC.

Telemedicine, reverse engineering. Haha. You must think those terms are really tech and advanced. You're a very funny guy.

TheVictorious:


1. I just told you that CU papers are one of the most read and cited in the country every week (updated on research gate), didn't you read my post well? Right now for last week CU papers were the second most read papers after UI.

follow the links: https://www.researchgate.net/institution/Covenant_University_Ota_Ogun_State_Nigeria https://www.researchgate.net/institution/University_of_Ibadan

2. Not Africa, It was Nigeria I wanted to type (maybe I should call it a slip of hand lol), In have corrested the error. CU's institutional repository is the best in Nigeria and West Africa, but not Africa, I really apologize for such an error. They're far away like you said because certain South African Varsities have pretty big repositories, comparable to those of Ivy League schools!!

3. Loool, an MSC grad for that matter, go to Harvard and see the research papers of BSC students. Well you're a typical naija guy no qualms. I hope by the time you see me too, you will rush here to criticize me, because I have a research target to complete in govt research institutes before I'll go for my masters.

Mind you, when I was in CU, your undergraduate research work has to be publishable in a standard journal before it will be considered.

Lastly who told you they aint got equipment have you been there?? For your information, only few schools in Africa can stand CU equipment-wise. Browse on reverse engineering and see how many West african schools practice that, check out on telemedicine and see how many african universities run that (mind you CU doesn't do medicine but the comp. science and biological sciences dept run it), how many of our schools back here can boast of constant electricity? Do you know that CU has a dedicated gas power plant for electricity generation, talk about instrumentation laboratories, computer labs, and world class work shops. It's just that CU don't like to loud all these things. But I promise you that when next am around, I will personally conduct a laboratory, classes and workshop tour and post here on Nairaland. Wait till then!

Pure comedy!! Especially the third point and last paragraph. Hehehe. Obviously, you aren't into scientific research to think the junk infrastructure at CU is world class.

If I didn't do my undergrad at CU, I still wouldn't fall for this. Lol.

TheVictorious:


Lool, with the way you stated it, one will be easily fooled into believing you have checked all these things. Check CU page for yourself, see the profiles of all lecturers listed and compares phd lecturers and profs to student ratio, you'll see that it's better than that of most govt. institutions. Lool, as for publication, almost any week you check researchgate.com, covenant university research publications always have the highest read in Nigeria (speaking of research relevance all over the world) - I'll check for this week now and update you appropriately.
Furthermore about teachers, covenant university have the highest number of active researchers on google scholar (by a very very big margin) of all universities in Nigeria, and one of the highest in Africa. Also, do you know that Covenant university have the largest institutional repository in Africa since more than three years now?

Haha. Okay, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe CU publishes lots of papers. But they're obviously low quality papers because if CU has the largest repository in Africa, they shouldn't be lagging far behind top African universities. They aren't just behind, they're goddamn far away. What they publish is surely of little relevance in the scientific world. It's as simple as that.

But the question remains: how in goodness name do you publish science articles when you don't have the equipment in the first place? No materials xterization equipment, no clean room facilities, no large powerful computers for theoretical studies etc etc. How?

I shall end with a story. I met a guy that did his MSc in CU. He published 10+ papers there. I saw it, he wasn't lying. 10+ papers! Let that sink in, an ordinary engineering MSc student. If you do research, you'd know it's BS. It's obvious they're publishing crap data in lowly rated journals.

Statsocial:
You are deliberately being ignorant. When webometrics ranked Best scholars in 2015, there were 78 CU lecturers out of the 700 ranked. Secondly CU has a policy that does not allow a lecturer without PHD lecture. If they do then their Phd is in view. Thirdly, Webometrics measures research relevance by online citation and CU is no 2 in Nigeria. So what are you saying

Haha. Best scholars of 2015 in Ogun State? Cos that's the only way 78 CU lecturers could enter that sort of list. 78! Hehehe. Come on! They must've cured cancer.

Your second claim is untrue, at least during my time in CU. Finished there years ago. So you can imagine that I know what I'm talking about. I know lecturers that left for their PhD study.

The department I finished from currently has just 1 or 2 professors. They have ZERO equipment for research and it's same in other departments. So, how the hell are these "top scholars" publishing papers if they've got fvck all to set up experiments and get data? The honest fact is that most people publish lies in Nigeria.

Secondly, I hope you understand that webometrics' methodology is highly dependent on websites of universities (their web repositories). Knowing how things are in naija, you can be sure the results aren't going to be realistic.

Remember, the aim for me is to have a world standard institution in Nigeria that actually does research with good academic teaching. Not, nice buildings and grass and church services.

Stop trying to paint CU like it's a great uni. It's crap like the rest in Naija.

Draxler:
In 2015 Babcock university graduates were the best at the Nigerian bar exam. I also believe that the medical school at BU is also the best in this country. You can go to the school and judge with your own eyes. So let us not pretend it's only CU. Also when you say they have crap teachers you have gotten it wrong. A lot of the lecturers at private universities were also well respected lecturers at public universities. The same lecturer who taught my mum at Unilag medical school in the 80s is also teaching my younger sister in Babcock university today. So they do not have bad lecturers as you say. Let me ask you this, how much do you think churches realize from tithes and offerings? I mean a lot of us go to church here. We know how much we drop as offering and tithe. That's for those of us that actually drop. A lot of churches need to even do businesses outside to support their projects. If church business was that profitable even the "smallest pastors" would be stinkingly rich. In private universities like BU and CU because of the problems with electricity in Nigeria they basically have to run diesel generators for 24 hours in all the hostels and academic buildings. Do you think its cheap? Let's not forget they have staff to pay salaries to, from professors to cleaners and they do this every month for every session. And also the cost of building and maintaining facilities? Even research? The truth is they need money for all these things and it doesnt come cheap. I dont know any good private university in the world that is cheap. You say these schools dont have facilities? Some private schools have better equipped labs than the public schools. I mean we know the state of the facilities in some of our public universities. Lets not kid ourselves. Nothing good comes cheap and if you visit any of these schools and inspect their facilities youll realize why they arent cheap.

You still don't get it. I'm talking about creating world class institutions... even if it's just ONE. But, you're comparing two bad apples. I never said our public education is good, but I'm saying the private ones are worse. Mainly because they neither have the funds for equipment nor the teachers to match!

About teachers. Simple exercise: check CU's departmental webpages and check the number of lecturers than have a PhD to start with. Check the number of professors each department has. Check their publication record. Check if they've published anything of recent. Check if they've ever been published in any journal with a good (not even high) Impact Factor. The same is true for public unis but I assure you that it's worse in private unis.

eyinjuege:


I agree with you. I'm sure Nigeria has quality care commissions to monitor schools, and make sure they're up to standard. But as usual, I'm sure they're ridden by corruption, and would always accredit schools that are not good provided brown envelopes have exchanged hands.
What I don't agree with however is that churches should help the govt refurbish or provide for their schools. FYI, I know churches in Lagos that have refurbished govt schools, set up up to date labs and computers, libraries for the schools. They've done well, but its not sustainable.
Instead, let's learn to hold our govt accountable. Nigeria can afford to raise her public schools to the highest standards possible. Why do we feel its alright for citizens who go into govt with next to nothing, and come out of their positions with millions of dollars and pounds?
I know churches that have built roads, repaired roads, given a lot of communities transformers etc but the truth is all these responsibilities are not the church's but the government. Nigeria will move forward if we go and carry placards / do walks insisting that all senators ,reps, should receive allowances like civil servants on perm sec levels. Let's start from there first.
Wanna type more, duty calls, gotta go..

My statements did not imply that churches have an obligatory responsibility to help the government out on education. They imply that if churches really cared about education, they should help by offering to improve existing schools on ground by buying equipment instead of creating more piss poor schools.

Let me break it down further, an SEM or magnetometer worth its salt is on the order of $200,000 (depending on specs and age). And that's just one equipment out of many needed for an up to date materials characterization facility. Of course, we don't have one in Nigeria.

Now, you can see how expensive it is to build a good university capable of doing research. These churches can't afford it! So, why the hell are they building universities?

Let's assume everything you wrote is correct.

Your argument still holds no water as it has a major weakness: You didn't factor in the issue of quality.

Let us be honest, with the exception of CU (and this is arguable), ALL other private universities in Naija are of poorer quality (academically) than these long established government unis. They're grossly lacking in adequate research equipment necessary to carry out even the most basic research. They also have crap teachers with little or no reputation in their field.

The question of why Church Unis are expensive now becomes irrelevant.

Knowing fully well that these churches lack the necessary capital to build world class universities, the pressing questions are: Why should Churches build low quality unis with lots of money that could be used to raise existing government schools up to world class standard? Is the this practice even ethical? Because I'm sure that most of these private unis would not be accredited in a developed country.


In essence, you're answering the wrong question!

I don't think Nigerians understand the concepts of living in a secular democracy, individualism or freedom of expression.

We just have these laws for show. The Constitution is a farce in this country. It's very obvious that our de facto laws are based on Islam and Christianity but veiled as "African culture".

This is simple. A Christian can kill as many people as he wishes to. All his sins are washed away after asking for forgiveness. Hehehe.



But this daily onslaught on Christianity is unfair. Why the hell is Nairaland and Seun protecting Islam? Is he afraid he could be charged for inciting violence?

He's actually achieving the opposite: protecting unfounded blasphemy rights and preventing rational discourse that ultimately leads to compromise and thus less violent beliefs.

Obi1kenobi:
Of all the things our colonial masters did, enslaving the minds of our people and zombie-fying our populace was their most malevolent contribution to our society. Something is seriously broken in the value system of a cess-pit of a country, so religious and yet so corrupt and rotten to the core.

Very correct. The comments are nauseating! These people are okay with a group of people being subsistent on "gifts".

Most Nigerians dont understand that there is dignity in working hard and using the money you earn to cater for your family and not being reliant on gifts. I will be filled with shame if almost all I have is from people's gifts and not from my tangible hardwork.

Why can't the church have an ethical salary structure? They wanna expand and have loads of workers but they aren't willing to pay.

I'm sure people will comment differently if these churches were corporate companies instead.

nams77:

I will forgive your ignorance. I am going to give you the names of ten renowned scientists who believe In God.
Albert Einstein, Francis Bacon, Galileo Galilei, Gregor Mendel, Isaac Newton, Louis Pasteur, Max Planck, Robert Boyle, Nicholas Copernicus, Michael Faraday Guglielmo Marconi etc.
My dear friend, I guessed you have learnt something new today. Small-mindedness is a terrible sin. and lastly I don't need to prove to anyone that I am a scientist. I don't need your validation either. Bye
Lastly, these are Giants in the scholarly world,yet the believe in something they cannot prove with hypothesis and experiment. They are not stupid, you know. Their achievements speaks volumes. Google is your friend

Ignorance. Hehe. I'll only reply you because I often see this "scientists that believed in god" argument here without a good rebuttal.

You obviously don't understand the difference between the belief in a god or an entity responsible for creating the universe and the belief in the supernatural. But your error in conflating these two different ideas is understandable given your Nigerian Christian background - the belief in a creator who frequently interferes with the laws of nature leading to miracles etc.

Most of the scientists in the early days of science (covering 8/10 of those you listed) believed that a creator could exist due to the widely successful Newtonian mechanics which is completely deterministic. Determinism makes a strong argument for intelligent design. So, you see, it made sense for them to believe in a creator in their time.

However, they surely didn't believe in stupid miracles, witches, succubi, supernatural phenomena etc because they knew very well that the laws of nature are inviolable. That's the difference!

Observations from many experiments (Young's double slit is a famous one) created cracks in the deterministic world view. This led to the development of quantum mechanics and subsequent aspects of modern science ultimately killed off determinism. Things aren't very well defined in reality. Probability is intrinsic in nature. The need for a creator became unnecessary at best. That's basically why modern scientists don't care about the existence of a creator, most reject the idea.

In sum, the belief in a creator isn't a crazy idea, it's just an unnecessary unprovable idea as it doesn't require any change in the laws of nature. However, the belief in demons, miracles etc which completely violates the laws of nature and logic is a big fat crazy idea that requires proof!

I hope you've been educated.