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Kobojunkie:
The last days which referred to the time of God's judgment against the nation of Israel took place in the same generation that Jesus's disciples were a part of. We are talking approximately 1900 years ago.

2. Jesus Christ informed you that Elijah had already come(past tense). Are you expecting Elijah to have to come again?

Jesus did not give judgement yet

How can Elijah come before Jesus, as stated in Matthew, and also come before the great and awesome day of the Lord, as stated in Malachi?

How do the the people ask of Elijah when
Kings 19 says:
15 And the Lord said to him, “Go, return on your way to the wilderness of Damascus. And when you arrive, you shall anoint Hazael to be king over Syria.
16 And Jehu the son of Nimshi you shall anoint to be king over Israel, and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abel-meholah you shall anoint to be prophet in your place.
17 And the one who escapes from the sword of Hazael shall Jehu put to death, and the one who escapes from the sword of Jehu shall Elisha put to death.

Is Jehu and Jesus not confused? Jehu being King and putting some to death isn't a form judgement?

TenQ:
I have giving you explanation from the Bible, do you want me to give you speculations that is not supported by the scriptures?

If you think that the two witnesses are Moses and Elijah, you should be able to give us convincing scriptures that back it up. As for me, the Bible did not give us the names other than the fact that they are two men, they are witnesses, power of miracles is given to them and they would preach for a number of days before they are killed and they will be resurected from the dead.

Any two men who fulfill ALL these conditions are the witnesses irrespective of whether their name is James or Joseph or Janitor or Junaid.

You know the speculators too give biblical support for their views. I was hoping you could give some input as to which is correct.

It's fine though. Thank you.

FxMasterz:
All this lengthy talk can be rendered heretic by one simple scripture -The two appearances Jesus had on the Mount of Transfiguration.

Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration. The same Elijah that appeared to Jesus cannot be the same John tha Baptist.

Truly, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. That does not mean flesh and blood cannot appear there. Moses like Elijah probably never died too. His grave was never found. There's high tendency that their reappearance at the end of time as prophesied in the book of revelation was to accomplish the shedding off of the flesh so that they, in their spirit bodies can inherit the Kingdom of God.

Malachi 4:5 refers to the reappearance of Elijah before the coming of the dreadful day of the Lord. The dreadful day of the Lord is still future. It is a day of judgement. The first coming of Christ was not dreadful. It was for the salvation of souls. You can bear me witness that there was nothing dreadful about it. In the book of revelation, just immediately after Moses and Elijah (The two witnesses) were taken up after their redirection, the dreadful judgement of the Lord began upon the earth. That's the day Malachi was talking about.

John himself testified that "He was the voice of one crying in the wilderness" - John 1:23. Re-echoing an earlier prophecy of Isaiah about him.

"This is Elijah that was to come..." Is a prophetic language. It should not be taken literally. The literal meaning of those words was given at John's birth in Luke 1:17.

Being in the spirit of Elijah is not the same as being Elijah. The anointing or mantle of Elijah was upon him to deliver his fiery message of repentance to Israel. This is similar event as the one recorded of Elisha after the mantle of Elijah fell on him on the other side of Jordan. The sons of the prophet looking at Elisha afar off reported: "The spirit of Elijah doth rest upon Elisha". Elisha did not become Elijah at that point but he operated in the spirit of Elijah. John was not a reincarnation of Elijah. He was a distinct spirit with the zeal, fervour and anointing of Elijah.

Quite a good submission however where then do you place the statement of Jesus?

Mark 9:13
But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him."

Matthew 17:10-13
10 The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”

11 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. 12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.

MaxInDHouse:
The title GOD/God/god has no difference it's religionists that are making distinctions in favour of the choice they've made for instance your own Allah is GOD from your own point of view while all others are gods the same way a Trinitarian will view his Jesus as GOD but render your own Allah as god so it's meaningless what really matters is NAME of your own God.

Godliness means sacred services like the salat in Islam but what is the practical benefit?

Can the love you have for your Allah move you to sacrifice nationality and refuse to kill your fellow Muslim with whom you climbed Arafat during Hajj when the politicians ruling your country orders you to go and kill Muslims in another country?

NO! In fact at such a time the love for Allah means nothing to you in the face of nationality and racism.

That's what the Bible quote means!

You know that those who believe in so called other deities are particularly and zealous about their worship rights too.




In loving yourself you can love the almighty.
Do unto others as you will like them to do to you.

The mix up comes when some try to oppress or outsmart the other. If you are truly fair and just and this goes round there will be no problem.

When some adopt measures to covet what belongs to another problems result. And in display of anger so many unlikable things follow.

TenQ:
Did the book of Revelation give the identity of the two witnesses OR you are making a speculation that these could be Moses and Elijah?

I am seeking clarity about this as there are divergent views.

Can you or can't you not explain convincingly?

Kobojunkie:
Actually, John was Elijah returned.
Unless of course, you would rather believe that Jesus Christ lied about it!

Elijah was probably originally meant to die at the hands of King Ahab and Jezebel. But God took him out of that timeline and brought Him back as John, where he eventually did die at the hands of King Herod and his wife.

Interesting

Kobojunkie:
There are those for which that rule barely holds. They wake up exhausted, sometimes even more than they did before they went in to rest.

How is what established?

Do you often recover strength after a rest or subdue a feeling of hunger after eating a meal?

Do you have an inclination to go to sleep at some point? Those who wake up feeling exhausted may seek and find reasons why this is.

Could be blood sugar anomalies, kidney problems or some ailment.

TenQ:
There is no scripture to assert or prove that one of the two men spoken of in Rev 11:1-14. They were simply referred to as Witnessess. Whatever anyone says about the two men other than this are speculations as the Bible gives no names.

Note:
Not withstanding, as Christians, we believe in miracles from God as a suspension of the norm in specific instances such that God reserves the right to resurrect anyone or even cause a person to be reincarnated. However, this would be a miracle of God and stands unchallenged by us as Christians.

Are these parts of scripture meaningless then?


This description of the two witnesses bears a striking resemblance to the miracles performed by Elijah in the Old Testament. In 1 Kings 17, Elijah proclaimed that there would be no rain in the land, and in 1 Kings 18, he called down fire from heaven to consume a sacrifice.


The appearance of Elijah alongside Moses at the transfiguration of Jesus is another indicator of Elijah's significance in the end times. In Matthew 17:3-4, it says, "Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus. Peter said to Jesus, 'Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.'"

Elijah did not experience physical death but was taken up to heaven in a fiery chariot (2 Kings 2:11) supports the notion that he is destined to return as one of the two witnesses in Revelation. The idea that Elijah did not die but was taken directly to heaven leaves the possibility open for him to return in the future as one of the witnesses.

Although his apparent return as new born John the Baptist or a John the Baptist of kindred spirit adds on some uncertainty.

Kobojunkie:
Huh?

When you feel tired and have a rest you often feel refreshed isn't it? How is this established?

SIRTee15:
Jesus was referencing the spirit of Elijah in John the baptist. John is not reincarnated Elijah.

Thank you SirTee15. Outside Jesus pointing towards this it was not obvious as in the case of Elisha.

2 Kings 2:15
And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him.

In anycase how do we understand that a kindred spirit of Elijah and not Elijah himself was expected?

Also in Revelations 11:3-12, Elijah is said to be one of the two. How is this so?

TenQ:
Christians do NOT believe in reincarnation as it is contrary to the scripture.

1. Elijah did not die but was taken bodily to heaven, therefore this is not a reincarnation
2Kin 2:11:
"And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."

2. Jesus said, that John the Baptist was Elijah (without giving any explanation of how it is). Jesus simply said:

Mat 11:14:
"And if you will receive it, this is Elijah, which was for to come."

Mat 17:11-13:
"And Jesus answered and said to them, Elijah truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say to you, That Elijah is come already, and they knew him not, but have done to him whatever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spoke to them of John the Baptist."

Since Elijah never died, this cannot be called a reincarnation.

Not withstanding, as Christians, we believe in miracles from God as a suspension of the norm in specific instances such that God reserves the right to resurrect anyone or even cause a person to be reincarnated. However, this would be a miracle of God and stands unchallenged by us as Christians.

Is Elijah of the two spoken in Revelations?

Well all time is bound by obviously stated and unstated contracts or law.

Your point is noted.

Kobojunkie:
I only mention that the One instance connected to one particular being who happened to be of the Old Law.

2. This isn't about the books and times but rather the contracts --- the details, terms and conditions, etc., -- as well as Kingdoms to which they apply being different. For example, the Old Law's terms applies only to those of Israel who are of the Nation of Israel which is of this world whereas Jesus Christ applies to those removed from this world and are of the Kingdom of God.

MaxInDHouse:
Apart from the usual mimicking of the above statement from different people claiming Muslims what exactly are you testifying to?

Well i was once like you before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses the dogmatic credulity is not worthwhile because the so called Allah you want to testify is just the word in the mouth of an Arabian that's all there is no single evidence that there is any god called Allah.

The title GOD connotes SUPREME BEING and the supreme supposed to ORGANIZE those in his or her domain so if people are DISORGANIZED to point of killing one another yet calling on the same Allah to support them in killing one another then your Allah is just a dogma and nothing more:

But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. 2 Timothy 3:1-5

The highlighted in blue is why i abandoned Islam because you people are like other religions claiming you have a god in your midst but the way you follow politics to exterminate one another shows there is no god at all in your gathering you're just deluded!

So many things are referred to as god by different people. How do you pronounce God differently from god?

What is godliness or is it Godliness?

Kobojunkie:
Your understanding of Scripture is obviously flawed Op.

Elijah, whom you point to there, was of the Old Covenant Law of Moses, a Covenant separate and different from that which is Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant, and Law in the Kingdom of God. So, right off you are attempting to apply that which works in the Old Covenant in the New Covenant. Jesus Christ did hint at this when He suggested that even John, the last of the Old Covenant prophets, was no greater than the least in the Kingdom of God, clearly revealing that that which applied to the Old has no place in the New.

In the New Covenant, Jesus Christ offered everyone of the blood of Israel who would become citizens of the Kingdom of God, Eternal Life for free right from the gate(Narrow and Broad gates). His Covenant makes clear that after death would come judgment for all the sheep and goats in His Kingdom at a time in the future after He returns- Matthew 25 vs 31 - 25 & John 5 vs 19 - 29. So what use would reincarnation serve those who have Eternal Life in this life?

You definitely know there is the connection as there are prophesies from the old testament about things in the new testament.

Reference to the laws and Torah of Moses too.

Then what use is the the Transfiguration if the books and times are not related?

FRANCISTOWN:
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@MightySparrow
@MaxInDHouse

I'll be speaking according to the bible.
John the Baptist was infact the reincarnation of Elijah.
Let's walk thru the bible together.
What happens when a man dies?
His earthly body returns back to the ground.
It is impossible to ascend into heaven with your earthly body.
For God himself said this to the first man who inherited death.

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth, out of which thou wast taken: for dust thou art, and into dust thou shalt return. Gen 3:19

When Enoch was taken up to heaven, he was not taken with his earthly body, likewise Elijah

Apostle Paul better explained this in

Phil3: 21 He will take our weak mortal bodies and change them into glorious bodies like his own, using the same power with which he will bring everything under his control.

The earthly body cannot survive in heaven.
So Enoch and Elijah must have been given a new body just as Paul explained.

Now about reincarnation.
See what the dictionary says:
•A rebirth of a soul, in a physical life form, such as a body.
Since Elijah was taken into heaven without his earthly body. It is reasonable to say he was a soul.
Now in Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

John was the only prophet that was sent just before Jesus.

Even Jesus confirmed that indeed John the Baptist was a prophet in Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist...

Luke 1:17 "And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah..."

Simply put, the spirit of Elijah in a new earthly body.
And Jesus really said it clearly in

Mat 11:14:
"And if you will receive it, this is Elijah, which was for to come."

Mat 17:11-13:
"And Jesus answered and said to them, Elijah truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say to you, That Elijah is come already, and they knew him not, but have done to him whatever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spoke to them of John the Baptist."

When Elijah was taken to heaven, he was given a different body, so, he had to enter a new earthly body which can only happen by birth. Hence, reincarnation

Thank you for your responses. I hope to get better clarity soon. More so that Elijah is also prophesied to come again at the end of the world. In the book of Revelation, the two witnesses are described .

Revelation 11:3–12 is a description of two individuals who will help accomplish God’s work during the tribulation: “I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth. Is it that the text is improperly understood? If Elijah is to be one of these two, conclusively he has physically died as John the Baptist who was beheaded?

Then in Malachi it is not stated explicitly that a kindred spirit will come before Jesus.

There appears some verses in the Bible that say reincarnation doesn't occur.
Hebrews 9:27 - "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment

Yet Jesus is said to say Elijah had come but wasn't recognised. Matthew 11:10-14.

Where was Elijah said to have come?

Then he is also said to come again at the end of the world.


Attn: Fxmasterz,SirTee15,Malcom1x,Maximdhouse,Mightysparrow,MrPrevailer,Tenq and all who can shed light and knowledge about this.

malcom1X:
Sahir Bukhari

Can you be consistent? You write Sahir Buhari

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and share a picture alleging a statement of Ayatollahi Khomeini without establishing a link

malcom1X:
😂😂😂😂😂

Scam Muhammed.
Said his donkey can bear witness

🤣🤣🤣

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:40)

Can you prove this?

Or disprove:
Jesus was in the belly of the earth for only one full day (Saturday) and two partial days (Friday afternoon and Sunday morning). This does not add up to three days and three nights

malcom1X:
Dude I'm not Jewish. I'm a Christian.

It doesn't matter. Was Jesus Jewish or is there a tribe called Christian? Did Jesus nullify Jewish laws?

malcom1X:
Your prophet married a 6 years old, had sex with her when she was 9 years old.

In what context is it ok to have sex with 9 year old ?

Without going into the certainty or uncertainty on the age of marriage consumation have you considered what your Jewish brethren say in the Thalmud?

In the Jewish tradition, betrothal and marriage are sacred and highly valued institutions. The concept of the minimum age for marriage is found in the Talmud, which is the central text of Rabbinic Judaism. In the Talmud, it is stated that the minimum age for a girl to be married is three years old and one day. This is based on a passage from the Talmud that states, "A girl of the age of three years and one day may be betrothed by intercourse" (Niddah 5:4).

This mishnah teaches that in a legal sense, sexual relations with a girl over the age of three counts as sexual relations.

Explore2xmore:
Perharps a holistic look into history and ages of girls when married will be helpful even if scholars don't universally agree on the age of Aisha at marriage.

The difference in age with her sister Asma, her being born before Hijra, her listing amongst the first to accept Islam.

There is a difference of opinion among scholars regarding Aisha's age at the time of her marriage. Some narrations suggest she was around 9 years old, while others propose she was older. It is important to note that the concept of age and maturity varied in different societies and historical contexts.

You also mention the wives Prophet Muhammad married. How many of these wives were not widows?

Where is the mention of blasphemy?
Anyway the Banu Qurayzah battle resulted from their breach of peace treaty.

The Qurayza, a tribe who lived in Medina alongside the Muslims, had broken their treaty of non-hostility with the Muslims at the height of the Battle of the Trench, and intended to attack them from within, but before they could, the siege on Madina suddenly ended, leaving the Qurayza alone and caught red-handed. They quickly fortified themselves, and finally surrendered after a 25-day siege of their fort.

Some of the Qurayza and their families had broken ranks with their tribe early on and left to seek protection from the Muslims, and they were granted it; others were afforded amnesty through the intercession of some Muslims, due to some good deed they had done in the past. The rest, even though those who now regretted and disagreed with the treason, chose to be judged with those guilty out of tribal loyalties.

Cecile of France (aged 8/9) was married to Tancred, Prince of Galilee (aged 30/31), in late 1106. As he was dying in 1112, Tancred made Pons, Count of Tripoli, promise to marry her; Pons and Cecile were married later that year, when she was 14/15 and he was 13/14.

Eleanor de Bohun (aged about 9/10) was married to Thomas of Woodstock, 1st Duke of Gloucester (aged about 20/21), in 1376.

Elizabeth the Cuman (aged 8/9) was married to the future Stephen V of Hungary in 1253.

malcom1X:
Why don't you answer the question and stop attacking Christianity.
Christianity is greater than Islam.
Islam is just a religion of lies.
Muhammed PUBG was a false prophet.

And the almighty is the greatest.

malcom1X:
Your prophet married a 6 years old, had sex with her when she was 9 years old.
married 11 wives,
had lot of sex slaves
killed 900 Jews in banu qureyza incident and enslaved their women and sold their children in the market of Najad.
which is written in your own books. how can these things be said as blasphemy ?

In what context is it ok to have sex with 9 year old ?

Perharps a holistic look into history and ages of girls when married will be helpful even if scholars don't universally agree on the age of Aisha at marriage.

The difference in age with her sister Asma, her being born before Hijra, her listing amongst the first to accept Islam.

There is a difference of opinion among scholars regarding Aisha's age at the time of her marriage. Some narrations suggest she was around 9 years old, while others propose she was older. It is important to note that the concept of age and maturity varied in different societies and historical contexts.

You also mention the wives Prophet Muhammad married. How many of these wives were not widows?

Where is the mention of blasphemy?
Anyway the Banu Qurayzah battle resulted from their breach of peace treaty.

The Qurayza, a tribe who lived in Medina alongside the Muslims, had broken their treaty of non-hostility with the Muslims at the height of the Battle of the Trench, and intended to attack them from within, but before they could, the siege on Madina suddenly ended, leaving the Qurayza alone and caught red-handed. They quickly fortified themselves, and finally surrendered after a 25-day siege of their fort.

Some of the Qurayza and their families had broken ranks with their tribe early on and left to seek protection from the Muslims, and they were granted it; others were afforded amnesty through the intercession of some Muslims, due to some good deed they had done in the past. The rest, even though those who now regretted and disagreed with the treason, chose to be judged with those guilty out of tribal loyalties.

advocatejare:
I

Indeed Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him

However was the Quran revealed as a book or it was a recitation over 23 years?

Daughter in law or foster daughter in law? Where is the blood relation?

Uthman r.a also burnt memories?

Evolution of written arabic to aid non arabians is your problem? Do you understand Hebrew language?

The original Roman manuscripts on which most bibles are translated wasn't the language of Jesus or even Hebrew or any other Israelite language. Who makes Greek the benchmark?
The New Testament, which comprises the second half of the Christian Bible, was originally written in Greek.

The Septuagint is mainly a Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible. How much was lost in translation or outrightly fabricated?

Fatiha was revealed. All of the Quran is revelation and this puts it way above the hadith and sirah which are books of men.
It is not a 'holy spirit' inspired book but a direct revelation.

Until you are able to bring a truly sensible question I no longer will waste my time with you

malcom1X:
Just

Did he really say that

I don't know however; Allah in the Quran says, “And those who guard their chastity except with their wives or those [bondwomen] in their possession, for them, they are free from blame, but whoever seeks beyond that are the transgressors.” [Quran, 70:29-31]

Q70:29. And those who guard their chastity.
30. Except from their spouses or those living under their control, for then they are free of blame.

Mating with animals is definitely oppresion

malcom1X:
Nice

It is crucial to understand that terrorism is not synonymous with any particular religion. The very definition of terrorism is rooted in the use of violence and intimidation for political, ideological, or religious purposes. This means that individuals from any religious background, or even those who claim no religious affiliation, have the potential to commit acts of terrorism. The UN's Counter-Terrorism Implementation Task Force (CTITF) has made it clear that terrorism is a complex issue with various root causes, including political, economic, and social factors. Therefore, to single out a particular religion as the sole cause of terrorism is not only deceitful, but also an oversimplification of a multifaceted issue.

One of the most common examples of deceit in linking terrorism to religion is the association of Islam with terrorism. In the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, Muslims all over the world were unfairly and unjustly targeted and discriminated against. Despite the fact that the vast majority of Muslims vehemently condemn terrorism, the deceptive narrative linking Islam to terrorism has persisted. This has led to increased Islamophobia, hate crimes, and a deepening of the divide between Muslims and non-Muslims. This demonstrates how the deceitful linking of terrorism to religion not only perpetuates stereotypes, but also has real and damaging consequences for innocent individuals.

Both al Qaeda and ISIS have carried out attacks against Muslim and non-Muslim civilians. Don't fall for the deceit. This is far from religious.

Explore2xmore:
How many complete copies of the Mushaf existed in the time of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w?

Anyway did this your Bible exist and was certified by your biblical Jesus in his time with you? None so you cannot guarantee it's authentic!
The writing of the Quran in different places and existence of many who committed it to memory surely validates it unlike your books written by many who never met your Jesus.

See your logic?


What does your Bible tell you about adultery?
You stupidly act as if Muhammad pbuh prescribed something new?

Leviticus 20:10-16
Punishments for Sexual Immorality
10 “If a man commits adultery with the wife of[a] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's unclothedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them.
13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (The Pope recently met with LGBTQ and didn't condemn them, also Reformation Day: Protestant Christians Embrace LGBTQ Diversity; https://www.hrc.org/news/reformation-day-protestant-christians-embrace-lgbtq-diversity-500-years-aft
14 If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you.
15 If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

No revelation like Fatiha.
Ibn Abbas reported: While the Angel Gabriel was sitting with the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, he heard a creaking noise above him. Gabriel raised his head and he said, “This is a door of heaven that has been opened today and it has never been opened before today.” Then an angel descended from it, and Gabriel said, “This angel descended to the earth today and he has never descended until today.” The angel greeted him with peace and he said, “Rejoice in two lights you have been given, which were not given to any prophet before you: the opening of the Book, Surat al-Fatihah, and the last verses of Surat al-Baqarah. You will never recite a letter from them but that you will be given”

You carelessly say Taqiyya do you know the meaning and reason where it is used?

Do you know the sole exception applies only to Salim? Which other adult males were breastfed?

The majority of Muslim scholars agreed that it is only a particular concession concerning the nursing of Salim alone. They do not consider it a general ruling that applies to the whole Ummah.


Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the dislike) which Abu Hudhayfa feels in his heart will disappear” hence she suckled him and it so happened (i.e. the dislike of Abu Hudhayfa disappeared)…

She didn't breastfeed him in the sense of him seeing her unclothedness and putting his mouth to her bossom. She expressed into a utensil and it was just once tp establish kinship.

Understand what you present.

If you say so but we are not so stupid to believe an omnipotent God will become his creation to crucify himself to himself to salvage his creation.

Of all the wonders God does will he have to do this to redeem his creation?

Do you freeze your brain and intellect to become a Christian?

The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Allah Almighty said: I have divided prayer between Myself and My servant into two halves, and My servant shall have what he has asked for. When the servant says, ‘All praise is due to Allah the Lord of the worlds,’ Allah says: My servant has praised Me. When he says, ‘The Gracious, the Merciful,’ Allah says: My servant has exalted Me. When he says, ‘The Master of the Day of Judgment,’ Allah says: My servant has glorified Me and my servant has submitted to Me. When he says, ‘You alone we worship, You alone we ask for help,’ Allah says: This is between Me and My servant, and My servant will have what he has asked for. When he says, ‘Guide us to the straight path, the path of those whom you have favored, not those who went astray,’ Allah says: This is for My servant, and My servant will have what he has asked for.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 395

advocatejare:

If it’s purely recitation and not written why was Muhammad asking his followers to write his so called recitation down?
You’re always sounding like a lunatic just like Muhammad.

How many complete copies of the Mushaf existed in the time of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w?

Anyway did this your Bible exist and was certified by your biblical Jesus in his time with you? None so you cannot guarantee it's authentic!
The writing of the Quran in different places and existence of many who committed it to memory surely validates it unlike your books written by many who never met your Jesus.

See your logic?


What does your Bible tell you about adultery?
You stupidly act as if Muhammad pbuh prescribed something new?

Leviticus 20:10-16
Punishments for Sexual Immorality
10 “If a man commits adultery with the wife of[a] his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's unclothedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them.
13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (The Pope recently met with LGBTQ and didn't condemn them, also Reformation Day: Protestant Christians Embrace LGBTQ Diversity; https://www.hrc.org/news/reformation-day-protestant-christians-embrace-lgbtq-diversity-500-years-aft
14 If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you.
15 If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

No revelation like Fatiha.
Ibn Abbas reported: While the Angel Gabriel was sitting with the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, he heard a creaking noise above him. Gabriel raised his head and he said, “This is a door of heaven that has been opened today and it has never been opened before today.” Then an angel descended from it, and Gabriel said, “This angel descended to the earth today and he has never descended until today.” The angel greeted him with peace and he said, “Rejoice in two lights you have been given, which were not given to any prophet before you: the opening of the Book, Surat al-Fatihah, and the last verses of Surat al-Baqarah. You will never recite a letter from them but that you will be given”

You carelessly say Taqiyya do you know the meaning and reason where it is used?

Do you know the sole exception applies only to Salim? Which other adult males were breastfed?

The majority of Muslim scholars agreed that it is only a particular concession concerning the nursing of Salim alone. They do not consider it a general ruling that applies to the whole Ummah.


Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the dislike) which Abu Hudhayfa feels in his heart will disappear” hence she suckled him and it so happened (i.e. the dislike of Abu Hudhayfa disappeared)…

She didn't breastfeed him in the sense of him seeing her unclothedness and putting his mouth to her bossom. She expressed into a utensil and it was just once tp establish kinship.

Understand what you present.

If you say so but we are not so stupid to believe an omnipotent God will become his creation to crucify himself to himself to salvage his creation.

Of all the wonders God does will he have to do this to redeem his creation?

Do you freeze your brain and intellect to become a Christian?

The level of foolery of an Osiris/Horus worshipper is incomparable.

Can a recitation be eaten? What is the meaning of Quran?

Is this what Osiris tells you through Paul or his descendants?

*Al-Fatihah is a prayer, a dialogue between the abd (slave) and his Rabb, the Creator of everything.

advocatejare:
Another delusion, the same Allah that was powerless to protect the Quran from being eaten by a common sheep.

Ibn Majah 1944
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”


Allah that was powerless to stop Uthman from burning the original manuscripts of the Quran, the original Quran that Muhammad claimed to have received.

Allah has failed to protect the Quran


The same misguided Allah that is praying to be guided. Dey play 🕺

Besides that verse of stoning or breastfeeding an adult is surely was not a part of the revealed Quran else many people will have remembered it.

Can your wife or mother breastfeed you to satisfaction or can you breastfeed yourself to satisfaction if you are a woman?

Keep hanging at straws and wondering about. First of all question the faith you follow thoroughly perharps you will see the truth despite it's mix up with fraud.

This indeed is the false prophet Pauline Christendom has created.

Yet bold enough to put it in your scripture to really put it in your face.

Pathetic follower of a religion based on Greek and Roman myths. Trying to divert. Do see what you half quote to deceive yourself and enjoy your mistake

advocatejare:
Sahih al-Bukhari 5674
Narrated `Aisha:
I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) , who was resting against me, saying, "O Allah! Excuse me and bestow Your Mercy on me and let me join with the highest companions (in Paradise)." See Qur'an (4.69)

Q4:69. Whoever obeys God and the Messenger—these are with those whom God has blessed—among the prophets, and the sincere, and the martyrs, and the upright. Excellent are those as companions.

Which messenger is obeyed? Be quoting hadith like a slowpoke and lack understanding. Here is Quran 4:69 for you. 😎

advocatejare:
Muhammad said he didn’t know what Allah will do to him, the Hadith above is one of his fables, when he was imagining things as usual

Sahih al-Bukhari 6391
Narrated `Aisha: that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was affected by magic, so much that he used to think that he had done something which in fact, he did not do, and he invoked his Lord (for a remedy). Then (one day) he said, "O `Aisha!)….

In one of the the few times when Muhammad was in his right senses and someone said that Allah has honored one of Muhammad’s dead companions,
Muhammad replied the person that even he being the prophet of the same Allah, he wasn’t sure of what Allah will do to him and trully at the point of death Muhammad was praying to be with the highest companions

Sahih al-Bukhari 5674
Narrated `Aisha:
I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) , who was resting against me, saying, "O Allah! Excuse me and bestow Your Mercy on me and let me join with the highest companions (in Paradise)." See Qur'an (4.69)


Sahih al-Bukhari 3929
Narrated 'Um Al-`Ala:
An Ansari woman who gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet (ﷺ) that the Ansar drew lots concerning the dwelling of the Emigrants. `Uthman bin Maz'un was decided to dwell with them (i.e. Um Al-`Ala's family), `Uthman fell ill and I nursed him till he died, and we covered him with his clothes. Then the Prophet (ﷺ) came to us and I (addressing the dead body) said, "O Abu As-Sa'ib, may Allah's Mercy be on you! I bear witness that Allah has honored you." On that the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "How do you know that Allah has honored him?" I replied, "I do not know. May my father and my mother be sacrificed for you, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! But who else is worthy of it (if not `Uthman)?" He said, "As to him, by Allah, death has overtaken him, and I hope the best for him. By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me," By Allah, I will never assert the piety of anyone after him. That made me sad, and when I slept I saw in a dream a flowing stream for `Uthman bin Maz'un. I went to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and told him of it. He remarked, "That symbolizes his (good) deeds."

You see how demented you are? Thr Ansari woman went to him who explained the meaning of her dream to her. Are you not getting confused?

advocatejare:
No wonder they called him a madman
And they say, "O you upon whom the message has been sent down, indeed you are mad .
-Quran 15:6

Yet this same Quran 15 says:
2. Perhaps those who disbelieve will wish they had been Muslims.

3. Leave them to eat, and enjoy, and be lulled by hope. They will find out.

4. We have never destroyed a town unless it had a set time.

5. No nation can bring its time forward, nor can they delay it.

6. And they said O you who received the message you are insane

7. Why do you not bring us the angels, if you are truthful?”

8. We do not send the angels down except with reason, and they will not be held back.

9. Surely We revealed the Message, and We will surely preserve it.

Verse 6 you quoted is italicized as you try to cunningly pick just it without reading verse 2 and 9. Is this not how Paul rewrote a lot of the old testament into the New testament.
Do you think you are dealing with who cannot read and you can bamboozle with your fiction? Get a life.

On Quran 15:6, who are they that turned away other than the stubborn ungodly. Mr verse picker when you pick try to be a little honest and bring the context.


Anyway keep enjoying.

The idea of a transcendent and omnipotent deity taking on human form is inherently absurd. The very essence of God as an all-powerful and omniscient being is incompatible with the limitations of human existence. If God is truly omnipotent, then there is no need for him to take on a human form in order to achieve his goals. The very idea of God becoming man implies a limitation of his power, which directly contradicts traditional religious beliefs.