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Mr! what is the Water cycle?

The higher you go the cooler it becomes isn't it?

TenQ:
Qur'an 24:43
Seest thou not that Allah makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap? - then wilt thou see rain issue forth from their midst. And He sends down from the sky mountain wherein is hail: He strikes therewith whom He pleases and He turns it away from whom He pleases, the vivid flash of His lightning well-nigh blinds the sight.


1. Did the Qur'an say that in the Cloud mountain is hail?
2. Does every thick and tall clouds result in the hail falling ?

Hail is NOT in the clouds sir as said in the Quran A combination of low temperature and water condescension that freezes supercooled water into hail that fall when the updrafts of air cannot lift it up again.


Layman Sequence of Hail Formation
When the warm water vapour of the earth rises into the clouds precipitate, it forms rain.
As the rain fall, if the temperature of air is cold enough to freeze the water coming down as rain, it freezes and coagulates.
This frozen water is called hail sir.


The more you press this, the more difficult it becomes.

Hail is NOT in the clouds sir.
It is water condensate that freezes that becomes hail and only in special circumstances

Please let's stop this sir

Or I will also force you to explain how the sun daily prostrate under the throne of Allah?!

Clouds are formed when air contains as much water vapor (gas) as it can hold. This is called the saturation point, and it can be reached in two ways. First, moisture accumulates until it reaches the maximum amount the volume of air can hold. The other method reduces the temperature of the moisture filled air, which in turn lowers the amount of moisture it can contain. Saturation, therefore, is reached through evaporation and condensation, respectively. When saturation occurs, moisture becomes visible water droplets in the form of fog and clouds.

What Causes Hail?
Hail starts as liquid droplets of water that are pushed up, by an updraft, to a high enough elevation to begin freezing. There is a balance of forces at work - gravity and the updraft. As the hail stones become larger, they become too heavy for the updraft to support and gravity pulls them down to the surface.
The pushing up is done where or rather where are the clouds?

How Does Hail Form?
Hailstones begin as tiny ice nuclei when liquid droplets become frozen as the updraft of a thunderstorm forces them high enough into the atmosphere to freeze. The hailstones have to refreeze several times to grow large enough for gravity to pull them down to the surface.


Hail is associated with high, vertical cumulonimbus clouds, the kind of clouds that produce severe thunderstorms.

TenQ:
Qur'an 24:43
Seest thou not that Allah makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap? - then wilt thou see rain issue forth from their midst. And He sends down from the sky mountain wherein is hail: He strikes therewith whom He pleases and He turns it away from whom He pleases, the vivid flash of His lightning well-nigh blinds the sight.


1. Did the Qur'an say that in the Cloud mountain is hail?
2. Does every thick and tall clouds result in the hail falling ?

Hail is NOT in the clouds sir as said in the Quran A combination of low temperature and water condescension that freezes supercooled water into hail that fall when the updrafts of air cannot lift it up again.


Layman Sequence of Hail Formation
When the warm water vapour of the earth rises into the clouds precipitate, it forms rain.
As the rain fall, if the temperature of air is cold enough to freeze the water coming down as rain, it freezes and coagulates.
This frozen water is called hail sir.


The more you press this, the more difficult it becomes.

Hail is NOT in the clouds sir.
It is water condensate that freezes that becomes hail and only in special circumstances

Please let's stop this sir

Or I will also force you to explain how the sun daily prostrate under the throne of Allah?!

I know only Muslim and do not know of these classification

I am Muslim.

I don't do enough study of Islam but am still learning

Refuting Idolatry, Al-Lat and Al-`Uzza
Allah the Exalted rebukes the idolators for worshipping idols and taking rivals to Him. They built houses for their idols to resemble
(Have you then considered Al-Lat,) Al-Lat was a white stone with inscriptions on. There was a house built around Al-Lat in At-Ta'if with curtains, servants and a sacred courtyard around it. The people of At-Ta'if, the tribe of Thaqif and their allies, worshipped Al-Lat. They would boast to Arabs, except the Quraysh, that they had Al-Lat. Ibn Jarir said, "They derived Al-Lat's name from Allah's Name, and made it feminine. Allah is far removed from what they ascribe to Him.

Ibn Kathir

TenQ:
What of if I quote you a Tafsir by no other than Al-Jalalyn?

At least this is not hadith: and Imam Al-Jalalyn is not a novice in Islamic doctrines.


Al-Jalalayn Quran 22:52-53
And We did not send before you any messenger (rasūl) — this is a prophet who has been commanded to deliver a Message — or prophet (nabī) — one who has not been commanded to deliver anything — but that when he recited [the scripture] Satan cast into his recitation, what is not from the Qur’ān, but which those to whom he [the prophet] had been sent would find pleasing. The Prophet (s) had, during an assembly of the [men of] Quraysh, after reciting the [following verses from] sūrat al-Najm, Have you considered Lāt and ‘Uzzā? And Manāt, the third one? [53:19-20] added, as a result of Satan casting them onto his tongue without his [the Prophet’s] being aware of it, [the following words]: ‘those are the high-flying cranes (al-gharānīq al-‘ulā) and indeed their intercession is to be hoped for’, and so they [the men of Quraysh] were thereby delighted. Gabriel, however, later informed him [the Prophet] of this that Satan had cast onto his tongue and he was grieved by it; but was [subsequently] comforted with this following verse that he might be reassured [of God’s pleasure]: thereat God abrogates, nullifies, whatever Satan had cast, then God confirms His revelations. And God is Knower, of Satan’s casting of that which has been mentioned, Wise, in His enabling him [Satan] to do such things, for He does whatever He will.

That He may make what Satan has cast a trial, a test, for those in whose hearts is a sickness, dissension and hypocrisy, and those whose hearts are hardened, namely, the idolaters, [hardened] against acceptance of the truth. For truly the evildoers, the disbelievers, are [steeped] in extreme defiance, [in] a protracted feud with the Prophet (s) and the believers, for his tongue uttered mention of their gods in a way that pleased them, and yet this was later nullified.



Is Al-Jalalayn also a liar?
Do you modern Muslims know Islam better than him?

Rain, snow and hailstones fall from the clouds.

Precipitation are all liquid and solid water particles that fall from clouds and reach the ground.

TenQ:
Just note how each verse is consistent: objects are either real or figurative.
Not in the case of your verse where everything are physical objects except the mountain.

By the way: If you say the mountain mean cloud,
Are hails cut from the clouds?

You know Surah 22 is Surah Hajj?
22:52
Whenever We sent a messenger or a prophet before you ˹O Prophet˺ and he recited ˹Our revelations˺, Satan would influence ˹people’s understanding of˺ his recitation. But ˹eventually˺ Allah would eliminate Satan’s influence. Then Allah would ˹firmly˺ establish His revelations. And Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
22:53
All that so He may make Satan’s influence a trial for those ˹hypocrites˺ whose hearts are sick and those ˹disbelievers˺ whose hearts are hardened. Surely the wrongdoers are totally engrossed in opposition.


If the first meaning is taken, it will imply: Satan tried to prevent the fulfillment of his desire. If the second meaning is taken, it will imply: When the Prophet recited the Revelations, Satan created different sorts of doubts about its truth and meanings in the minds of the people.

* If the first meaning is adopted, it will imply: Allah fulfills the Prophet’s desire and makes his mission successful in spite of the obstacles of Satan and confirms the truth of His revelations by fulfilling His promises to the Prophet. In case of the second meaning, it will imply: Allah eradicates all the doubts and objections inspired by Satan in the hearts of the people and clarifies the confusion created about any verse of the Quran in subsequent revelations.
“Allah is All-Knower” and has full knowledge of the mischief worked by Satan and of its effects, and being All- Wise, He counteracts every mischief of Satan.*

You referred this to Quran 53 to prove your point or Jalalyn did? Even so, read Quran 53 and understand what is going on there for yourself please.

TenQ:
What of if I quote you a Tafsir by no other than Al-Jalalyn?

At least this is not hadith: and Imam Al-Jalalyn is not a novice in Islamic doctrines.


Al-Jalalayn Quran 22:52-53
And We did not send before you any messenger (rasūl) — this is a prophet who has been commanded to deliver a Message — or prophet (nabī) — one who has not been commanded to deliver anything — but that when he recited [the scripture] Satan cast into his recitation, what is not from the Qur’ān, but which those to whom he [the prophet] had been sent would find pleasing. The Prophet (s) had, during an assembly of the [men of] Quraysh, after reciting the [following verses from] sūrat al-Najm, Have you considered Lāt and ‘Uzzā? And Manāt, the third one? [53:19-20] added, as a result of Satan casting them onto his tongue without his [the Prophet’s] being aware of it, [the following words]: ‘those are the high-flying cranes (al-gharānīq al-‘ulā) and indeed their intercession is to be hoped for’, and so they [the men of Quraysh] were thereby delighted. Gabriel, however, later informed him [the Prophet] of this that Satan had cast onto his tongue and he was grieved by it; but was [subsequently] comforted with this following verse that he might be reassured [of God’s pleasure]: thereat God abrogates, nullifies, whatever Satan had cast, then God confirms His revelations. And God is Knower, of Satan’s casting of that which has been mentioned, Wise, in His enabling him [Satan] to do such things, for He does whatever He will.

That He may make what Satan has cast a trial, a test, for those in whose hearts is a sickness, dissension and hypocrisy, and those whose hearts are hardened, namely, the idolaters, [hardened] against acceptance of the truth. For truly the evildoers, the disbelievers, are [steeped] in extreme defiance, [in] a protracted feud with the Prophet (s) and the believers, for his tongue uttered mention of their gods in a way that pleased them, and yet this was later nullified.



Is Al-Jalalayn also a liar?
Do you modern Muslims know Islam better than him?

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Explore2xmore:
With regard to Tafseer al-Jalaalayn (by Jalaal ad-Deen as-Suyooti and Jalaal ad-Deen al-Muhalli), it is a good tafseer and summary, but it is not free of some shortcomings, especially with regard to the attributes of Allah and matters of ‘aqeedah (belief), in which it follows the madhhab of the Ash‘aris.

The tale of Gharaniq was mentioned by many scholars of Tafsir (explanation of the meanings of the Qur’an) in their interpretation of Allah’s Saying (the meanings of which are translated as), Never did We send a Messenger or a Prophet before you but when he did recite the revelation or narrated or spoke, Shaitân (Satan) threw (some falsehood) in it. (Surah Al-Hajj, 22: 52), and in the Tafsir of Allah’s Saying, Have you then considered Al-Lât, and Al-‘Uzzâ (two idols of the pagan Arabs) And Manât (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third? It was narrated through many chains of narration with different wordings.However, all of them are Mursal (with no Companion of the Prophet in the chain of narration), and were never reported through authentic chains of narration, as mentioned by Al-Hafizh ibn Kathir (may Allah be merciful to him) in his Tafsir. After he mentioned this tale through all its chains of narration, he said, “However, all of them are Mursal and disconnected.”

Ibn Khuzaymah said that this tale was fabricated by the Zanadiqah (Heretics); it was also denied by Abu Bakr ibn Al-‘Araby, Al-Qadi ‘Iyad and others, who disapproved of both its Sanad (chain of narrators) and Matn (the text). As for the Sanad, it is due to the above-mentioned reasons. As for the Matn, it is due to what was stated by Ibn Al-‘Araby that when Allah (Exalted be He) sends the Angel to His Messenger, He instills in him (His Messenger) the knowledge that it is the Angel who sends down Wahy (Revelation) to him; Satan can never put on his lips words, which throw him into confusion, and so he recites them as Qur’an. As there is Ijma‘ (unanimous consensus) on the infallibility of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and the impossibility of his committing Shirk (associating others with Allah in His Divinity or worship), he could not have said these words by mistake, or thinking that they were Qur’an. He could not have preferred pleasing his people over pleasing his Lord, which made him wish that Allah would not reveal anything to him that might displease them. Moreover, the evidence used to prove the authenticity of this tale, which is inferred from Allah’s saying, Verily, they were about to tempt you away from that which We have revealed (the Qur’ân) unto you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم), to fabricate something other than it against Us (Surah Al-Isra’, 17: 73) certainly does not prove its authenticity. Rather, it proves the innocence of the Prophet (peace be upon him) of the accusation of reciting these polytheistic words, as the Ayah indicates denial and negation, not affirmation.It is also evident that Satan merely threw some falsehood into his recitation, but he did put such polytheistic words on his tongue nor inspired these words inside him, which he actually recited, read, or uttered, whether inattentively, by mistake or on purpose, until Jibril (Gabriel) came and corrected him, and he (peace be upon him) grieved over what happened. It was not also proven that the Ayah was revealed to console the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) for what he was afflicted with according to this tale, to prop up such an interpretation with all the errors that it contains.

The Jumhur (dominant majority) of Ahl-ul-Sunnah (those adhering to the Sunnah) agreed with Ibn Al-‘Araby on what he said. They stated that the meaning of the Ayah is: Never did Allah send a Messenger or a Prophet before you (O Muhammad) but when he did recite the revelation or narrated or spoke, a devil from among mankind or jinn would throw during his recitation or speech some false words spoken by that devil and heard by the attendants. Or the devil would whisper evil thoughts to the Kafirs (disbelievers) and hypocrites who thought them to be part of the Wahy, while they are not so. Allah then abolishes whatever words, whisperings or deception which Satan throws in and completely eliminates them, to establish the truth by His Words, for the Perfection of His Knowledge and Profound Wisdom. This is the Way of Allah with His Messengers, Prophets and their enemies, to fulfill the purpose of trying and testing mankind, so that the wicked is distinguished from the good; so that the Kafirs and hypocrites who are to be destroyed through their following the falsehood that Satan casts may be destroyed after a clear evidence, and the people of unwavering faith, whose hearts rest secure in Iman (belief), who are guided to the Straight Path, may live after clear evidence.

Thus, it becomes clear through the previously mentioned that the tale of Gharaniq is false. Satan does not have the power to thrust some falsehood into the mouth of the Prophet (peace be upon him) which he then recites or utters. Satan might have thrown some false words while the Prophet (peace be upon him) was reciting; words which were uttered by Satan and heard by the attendants, or Satan might have whispered some evil inspirations in the soul of the disbelievers and hypocrites, which they thought them to be part of the Wahy, while they are not. Allah then abolishes such Satanic sayings, eliminates misconception and establishes His revelations.

It also becomes clear that the opinion of Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Abdul-Wahab (may Allah be merciful to him) is the same of the Jumhur (dominant majority) of scholars, which holds that Satan has thrown some falsehood or evil whispering during recitation, but certainly not on the tongue of the Prophet (peace be upon him), or in his soul, or in the souls of the true believers. It was only in the ears of Kafirs, or inside their souls, which they thought to be part of the Qur’an. The wisdom of Allah entails that He destroys falsehood and establishes His revelations, so that the truth triumphs out of His Mercy to the people. Allah is All-Knowledgeable, All-Wise. The scholars of Islam are unanimously agreed on the infallibility of Messengers in all and everything that they convey from Allah (Glorified and Exalted be He) to mankind.

Read and translate.

اَفَرَءَيۡتُمُ اللّٰتَ وَالۡعُزّٰىۙ‏ ﴿53:19﴾ وَمَنٰوةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الۡاُخۡرٰى‏ ﴿53:20﴾ اَلَـكُمُ الذَّكَرُ وَلَهُ الۡاُنۡثٰى‏ ﴿53:21﴾ تِلۡكَ اِذًا قِسۡمَةٌ ضِيۡزٰى‏ ﴿53:22﴾ اِنۡ هِىَ اِلَّاۤ اَسۡمَآءٌ سَمَّيۡتُمُوۡهَاۤ اَنۡتُمۡ وَاٰبَآؤُكُمۡ مَّاۤ اَنۡزَلَ اللّٰهُ بِهَا مِنۡ سُلۡطٰنٍ​ؕ اِنۡ يَّتَّبِعُوۡنَ اِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَمَا تَهۡوَى الۡاَنۡفُسُ​ۚ وَلَقَدۡ جَآءَهُمۡ مِّنۡ رَّبِّهِمُ الۡهُدٰىؕ‏ ﴿53:23﴾

TenQ:
Even though this is your preferred Narrative, your early Islamic Scholars such as
Ibn Ishaq,
Al-Jalalyn,
At-Suyuti
Al-Tabari
Ibn Sa'd,
Ibn Hisham
Al Waqidi et al. say quite the opposite.

Even Imam Bukhari's hadith say opposite

Sahih Bukhari 6:60:385
Narrated Ibn Abbas: The Prophet performed a prostration when he finished reciting Surat-an-Najm, and all the Muslims and pagans and Jinns and human beings prostrated along with him.






Who do you advise I believe?

Please let's close this chapter. I appreciate your input sir.

Are there verses in the Quran where prostration (sujud) is done when recited?

The prostration in Surah Najm (52) is at the 62nd verse.


فَٱسۡجُدُواْ لِلَّهِ وَٱعۡبُدُواْ
"So prostrate to Allah and worship [Him]."

I doubt you considered this.

Of course you cannot discern from the translations of the meaning of these verses written.

What are Uzza, Lat and Manna aren't they female pagan gods?

Did the Pagan arabians commit infanticide?

Is there a prostration at the end of Surah Najm?

Are there verses in the Quran where prostration (sujud) is practiced?

Mr airplane cleaner that stumbled on a book talking about how to start and fly an airplane not knowing how to land was in another book.

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Read these verses that you hold on to as Satanic and use your senses hopefully you have enough to discern.

52:19:So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza?

20:And Manat, the third - the other one?

21:Is the male for you and for Him the female?

22: That, then, is an unjust division.

23: They are not but [mere] names you have named them - you and your forefathers - for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow not except assumption and what [their] souls desire, and there has already come to them from their Lord guidance.


Are you aware of the Pagan practice of ignorance and killing the female child at birth?

In these verses, Allah is telling the disbelievers to think logically about their ridiculous beliefs. They used to value sons more than daughters, but then attributed daughters to Allah! What sense does that make? Does God have something they considered inferior, and they had the superior thing? It doesn’t make sense.

Then, Allah concludes by stating that these idols are nothing but invented names that their ancestors came up with.

With regard to Tafseer al-Jalaalayn (by Jalaal ad-Deen as-Suyooti and Jalaal ad-Deen al-Muhalli), it is a good tafseer and summary, but it is not free of some shortcomings, especially with regard to the attributes of Allah and matters of ‘aqeedah (belief), in which it follows the madhhab of the Ash‘aris.

The tale of Gharaniq was mentioned by many scholars of Tafsir (explanation of the meanings of the Qur’an) in their interpretation of Allah’s Saying (the meanings of which are translated as), Never did We send a Messenger or a Prophet before you but when he did recite the revelation or narrated or spoke, Shaitân (Satan) threw (some falsehood) in it. (Surah Al-Hajj, 22: 52), and in the Tafsir of Allah’s Saying, Have you then considered Al-Lât, and Al-‘Uzzâ (two idols of the pagan Arabs) And Manât (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third? It was narrated through many chains of narration with different wordings.However, all of them are Mursal (with no Companion of the Prophet in the chain of narration), and were never reported through authentic chains of narration, as mentioned by Al-Hafizh ibn Kathir (may Allah be merciful to him) in his Tafsir. After he mentioned this tale through all its chains of narration, he said, “However, all of them are Mursal and disconnected.”

Ibn Khuzaymah said that this tale was fabricated by the Zanadiqah (Heretics); it was also denied by Abu Bakr ibn Al-‘Araby, Al-Qadi ‘Iyad and others, who disapproved of both its Sanad (chain of narrators) and Matn (the text). As for the Sanad, it is due to the above-mentioned reasons. As for the Matn, it is due to what was stated by Ibn Al-‘Araby that when Allah (Exalted be He) sends the Angel to His Messenger, He instills in him (His Messenger) the knowledge that it is the Angel who sends down Wahy (Revelation) to him; Satan can never put on his lips words, which throw him into confusion, and so he recites them as Qur’an. As there is Ijma‘ (unanimous consensus) on the infallibility of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and the impossibility of his committing Shirk (associating others with Allah in His Divinity or worship), he could not have said these words by mistake, or thinking that they were Qur’an. He could not have preferred pleasing his people over pleasing his Lord, which made him wish that Allah would not reveal anything to him that might displease them. Moreover, the evidence used to prove the authenticity of this tale, which is inferred from Allah’s saying, Verily, they were about to tempt you away from that which We have revealed (the Qur’ân) unto you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم), to fabricate something other than it against Us (Surah Al-Isra’, 17: 73) certainly does not prove its authenticity. Rather, it proves the innocence of the Prophet (peace be upon him) of the accusation of reciting these polytheistic words, as the Ayah indicates denial and negation, not affirmation.It is also evident that Satan merely threw some falsehood into his recitation, but he did put such polytheistic words on his tongue nor inspired these words inside him, which he actually recited, read, or uttered, whether inattentively, by mistake or on purpose, until Jibril (Gabriel) came and corrected him, and he (peace be upon him) grieved over what happened. It was not also proven that the Ayah was revealed to console the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) for what he was afflicted with according to this tale, to prop up such an interpretation with all the errors that it contains.

The Jumhur (dominant majority) of Ahl-ul-Sunnah (those adhering to the Sunnah) agreed with Ibn Al-‘Araby on what he said. They stated that the meaning of the Ayah is: Never did Allah send a Messenger or a Prophet before you (O Muhammad) but when he did recite the revelation or narrated or spoke, a devil from among mankind or jinn would throw during his recitation or speech some false words spoken by that devil and heard by the attendants. Or the devil would whisper evil thoughts to the Kafirs (disbelievers) and hypocrites who thought them to be part of the Wahy, while they are not so. Allah then abolishes whatever words, whisperings or deception which Satan throws in and completely eliminates them, to establish the truth by His Words, for the Perfection of His Knowledge and Profound Wisdom. This is the Way of Allah with His Messengers, Prophets and their enemies, to fulfill the purpose of trying and testing mankind, so that the wicked is distinguished from the good; so that the Kafirs and hypocrites who are to be destroyed through their following the falsehood that Satan casts may be destroyed after a clear evidence, and the people of unwavering faith, whose hearts rest secure in Iman (belief), who are guided to the Straight Path, may live after clear evidence.

Thus, it becomes clear through the previously mentioned that the tale of Gharaniq is false. Satan does not have the power to thrust some falsehood into the mouth of the Prophet (peace be upon him) which he then recites or utters. Satan might have thrown some false words while the Prophet (peace be upon him) was reciting; words which were uttered by Satan and heard by the attendants, or Satan might have whispered some evil inspirations in the soul of the disbelievers and hypocrites, which they thought them to be part of the Wahy, while they are not. Allah then abolishes such Satanic sayings, eliminates misconception and establishes His revelations.

It also becomes clear that the opinion of Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Abdul-Wahab (may Allah be merciful to him) is the same of the Jumhur (dominant majority) of scholars, which holds that Satan has thrown some falsehood or evil whispering during recitation, but certainly not on the tongue of the Prophet (peace be upon him), or in his soul, or in the souls of the true believers. It was only in the ears of Kafirs, or inside their souls, which they thought to be part of the Qur’an. The wisdom of Allah entails that He destroys falsehood and establishes His revelations, so that the truth triumphs out of His Mercy to the people. Allah is All-Knowledgeable, All-Wise. The scholars of Islam are unanimously agreed on the infallibility of Messengers in all and everything that they convey from Allah (Glorified and Exalted be He) to mankind.

TenQ:
What of if I quote you a Tafsir by no other than Al-Jalalyn?

At least this is not hadith: and Imam Al-Jalalyn is not a novice in Islamic doctrines.


Al-Jalalayn Quran 22:52-53
And We did not send before you any messenger (rasūl) — this is a prophet who has been commanded to deliver a Message — or prophet (nabī) — one who has not been commanded to deliver anything — but that when he recited [the scripture] Satan cast into his recitation, what is not from the Qur’ān, but which those to whom he [the prophet] had been sent would find pleasing. The Prophet (s) had, during an assembly of the [men of] Quraysh, after reciting the [following verses from] sūrat al-Najm, Have you considered Lāt and ‘Uzzā? And Manāt, the third one? [53:19-20] added, as a result of Satan casting them onto his tongue without his [the Prophet’s] being aware of it, [the following words]: ‘those are the high-flying cranes (al-gharānīq al-‘ulā) and indeed their intercession is to be hoped for’, and so they [the men of Quraysh] were thereby delighted. Gabriel, however, later informed him [the Prophet] of this that Satan had cast onto his tongue and he was grieved by it; but was [subsequently] comforted with this following verse that he might be reassured [of God’s pleasure]: thereat God abrogates, nullifies, whatever Satan had cast, then God confirms His revelations. And God is Knower, of Satan’s casting of that which has been mentioned, Wise, in His enabling him [Satan] to do such things, for He does whatever He will.

That He may make what Satan has cast a trial, a test, for those in whose hearts is a sickness, dissension and hypocrisy, and those whose hearts are hardened, namely, the idolaters, [hardened] against acceptance of the truth. For truly the evildoers, the disbelievers, are [steeped] in extreme defiance, [in] a protracted feud with the Prophet (s) and the believers, for his tongue uttered mention of their gods in a way that pleased them, and yet this was later nullified.



Is Al-Jalalayn also a liar?
Do you modern Muslims know Islam better than him?

Within and without Mutah classification there are so many temporal marriage relations in the world today. This has little to do with Islam.

TenQ:
You did not say anything much different than I said except that I also added that Mutah was done
1. During the life time of the prophet even though he allowed it, then banned it then allowed it then banned it.
2. Mutah was still done by Muslims after the death of Mohammed especially during the reign of Abu Bakr and Umar the first two rightly guided khalifa
3. Umar was the one who finally banned Mutah for Muslims (except for the Shia who still practice it today)
4. The final thing I said was that Allah himself gave permission for Mutah instead of castration before it was banbed Qur'an 5.87 was revealed on account of this by Allah

In which of these above have I said that which is untrue about Islam ?


I don't practice Mutah and I've never done it, so how could I be the unbeliever here?


I still insist that you are more knowledgeable than your peers here on Nairaland. I only wish that you ask Question not just swallow everything hook, line sinker as they have fed you. How would you know if what you've swallowed is Taqqiya?

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Have a good night rest my brother.

I dare say you are not but a troublesome type. It is my life and the almighty will not bother you about my misdeeds; yours should be more than enough for you.

The Hafs qiraat of Abū ʽAmr Ḥafṣ ibn Sulaymān ibn al-Mughīrah ibn Abi Dawud al-Asadī al-Kūfī
came through his teacher Aasim ibn Abi al-Najud. This reading was according to Ali ibn Abi Taalib.

Ath-Thahabi stated in his book Al-Kaashif that Hafs ibn Sulaymaan was accurate as far as the recitation of the Quran is concerned. Ibn ʻAdiyy underlined in his book Al-Kaamil that the recitation of Hafs was more accurate than that of Shuʻbah who read according to ibn Masood.

The fact that scholars of Hadeeth declared Hafs a weak reporter in the field of Hadeeth does not undermine his great status in the field of Quran recitation.

Hadith have been called by some as "the backbone" of Islamic civilization, and for many the authority of hadith is a source for religious and moral guidance known as Sunnah, which ranks second only to that of the Quran.
So you see the Quran is most important.

Never will the Jews or Christians be pleased with you until you follow their way.

I don't need you to be pleased with me.
حَسْبُنَا اللَّهُ وَنِعْمَ الْوَكِيلُ

“In the year of the battle at Awtās the Messenger of Allāh (ﷺ) allowed mut’ah (temporary) marriage for three days – and then he forbade it thereafter.”

Muslim no. 1405.

997 – 1: Narrated ‛Alee (radiyallaahu ‘anhu) that:

“Allāh’s Messenger (ﷺ) forbade mut‛ah in the year of the battle of Khaibar.”

Bukhāree (4216, 5524) and Muslim (1407).

997 – 2: Narrated ‛Alee (radiyallaahu ‘anhu) that:

“Allāh’s Messenger (ﷺ) forbade temporary marriage with women, and the eating of the meat of the domestic donkey on the day of the battle of Khaibar.”

Reported by the seven except Abu Dawood: (Bukhāree, 4216; Muslim, 1407; Ibn Mājah, 1961; At-Tirmidhee, 1121; An-Nasā’ee, 6/126, 7/202; Ahmad, 592)

997 – 3: Narrated Rabee’ Ibn Sabrah from his father that Allāh’s Messenger (ﷺ) said:

“I used to permit for you temporary marriage with women. And Allāh has now forbidden that until the Day of Resurrection. So if anyone has any of these women, he should let her go. And you are not to take back anything of what you have given them [as dowry or gifts].”

Reported by Muslim, 1406; Abu Dawood, 2072; An-Nasā’ee, 6/126; Ibn Mājah, 1962; Ahmad, 15345; and Ibn Hibbān, 4147.

Shaikh Sālih al-Fawzān (hafidhahullāh) said:
All of these narrations are concerning the forbiddance of temporary marriage (mut’ah); it is from the invalid types of marriage.

Mut’ah: is that a man marries a woman for a fixed known term – so when this fixed term comes to an end, so does the marriage contract without the need for the pronouncement of talāq (divorce). This type of marriage did not obligate maintenance, nor ascription of any children to the husband, nor inheritance – it was from the types of marriage in the days of pre-Islamic ignorance.

Thereafter, the Prophet (ﷺ) forbade it in the year of the battle of Khaibar, in the seventh year after the Hijrah, before the conquest of Makkah and after the treaty of Hudaibiyah. So he forbade it during the battle of Khaibar, and he forbade eating the meat of the domestic donkey.

Then at the battle of Awtās, and that is the battle of Hunain in the eighth year after the Hijrah, he permitted Mut’ah for just three days. The Prophet (ﷺ) encountered the Hawāzin tribe in the valley of Hunain and fighting broke out between them. Allāh aided the Muslims. The remaining forces of the Hawāzin moved to a place called Awtās that is near Tā’if. So the Prophet (ﷺ) sent after them a fighting force under the leadership of Abu ‛Āmir Al-Ash‛aree – and Allāh aided him against them.

So he permitted for them: meaning allowed them an affair that was forbidden, whilst upholding the underlying reasons for its prohibition, and for an outweighing benefit at that time – so he allowed it in that time, in that year, then he forbade it forever.

So the affair of temporary marriage went through three stages:

Firstly, the Prophet forbade it, then he permitted it, then he forbade it forever. And the scholars have a consensus that the mut’ah marriage is invalid – and that its permissibility was only a short-lived allowance and then it was abrogated. And no one allowed it thereafter except the Rāfidah and no one pays attention to their opposition. So this is the mut’ah nikāh, and this is its ruling in Islam. So whoever makes it permissible is an unbeliever due to him making permissible that which is forbidden by consensus.

Adapted from volume 4, no. 996-997 (English, 848 to 851), Kitābun-Nikāh (The Book of Marriage) from Shaikh Sālih al-Fawzān’s explanation of Bulūgh Al-Marām min Adillatil-Ahkām of Al-Hāfidh Ahmad Ibn ‘Ali Ibn Hajr Al-Asqalāni (born 773H, died 852H), entitled Tas-heel al-Ilmām bi-fiqhil-Ahādeeth min Bulūghil-Marām and is printed in seven volumes.

Seems you are the unbeliever in an almighty God referred to here

Tenq the hadith quoting addict, tell me then which hadith is to be believed?

He allowed it even when it was practiced before him? Do a history check on Mutah don't rely on hadith.

Why do I bother giving a reply? You defiantly will never reason and even when you do it is shear pretence.

Didn't you post?
by TenQ: 8:31pm On Jul 30
Dear Explore2xmore,
You have at least more knowledgeable than the host of many on NairaLand. I appreciate your time and deep knowledge.

You very well know that many things are difficult to defend in Islam because the Hadiths present too much loopholes in the Qur'an itself. Unfortunately, many times, the Qur'an is meaningless without the hadiths and the tafsir.

If you ask me, I would say that Islam has been upgraded many times between the 7th and 9th century. This is why there seem to be a big gap between Mohammed and the hadiths or Mohammed and the Modern Qur'an. This is my opinion(I am not an expert)

This statement above is contrary to the modern standard Islamic Narratives!
The Modern Standard narratives under scrutiny Break down irrevocably. This is why some Muslims call themselves Qur'an-Only Muslims. These Muslims think that complexities and dissonances would be resolved only to create a new problem.

As Muslims, you are Commanded by the almighty Allah not to ask questions about what has been revealed to you in the Qur'an. Unfortunately, this is a trap that forbids you to check if what you are reciting is truly from God or not.

Even prophet Muhammad fell into this trap when the verse on the intercession of the daughters of Allah was received from satan.
Mohammed didn't ask questions until Jubril had to tell him that he wasn't the one who gave him this satanic verses as Qur'an.

My objective is to stimulate Muslims to ask Questions. As they ask Questions, the Truth would be made apparent to them. As long as they refuse to ask questions, they would never know when they will be DECEIVED!

With ALL my Heart, I LOVE Muslims!
I wish them to know the Messiah who is their guarantee to Paradise.


Finally,
Mr Explore2xmore, just as I ask you Questions about Islam, I appreciate if you also ask me ANY Question about Christianity and I will try my best to answer them.

So, my friend, thank you once again for your time and I hope we remain cordial as we explain to each other the reason for our faith.

Thank you Sir.
TenQ


PS. No one needs your deceitful and mischievous love.

I marvel at your continuing display of idiocy.

According to Islamic tradition Ibn Ishaq's biography from the early Abbasid period was the most renowned and highly documented, but no copies exist. Half a century later, Ibn Hisham rewrote the alleged biography of Ibn Ishaq as narrated to him by Ziyād al-Baqqāʾi.

You see Ibn Hisham rewriting based on the tale told by the liar Ibn Ishaq?

Well I understand you attachment to false tales.

Read an understand what is hadith, seerah and Tafsir. Discern how to find truth.

Your friend has reinformed you of breastfeeding before the age of 2.5 years. Here the infant gets fed to his full. Can a grown man be fed to his full on breast milk of 1 woman in a session of breastfeeding?

I may answer you when you get back to this forum on what you learn about hadith and seerah.

Authentication and reasons for variation.

You trouble makers hang on hadith because unlike the bible which has numerous authors the Quran just has one who only rendered it but is not the originator. This leaves no room for manipulations of he said, she said which you easily get in your reliance on hadith.

Rabble rouser

This is meant for the OP

Explore2xmore:
We have to also teach you English?

A cloud of mountains
This is a Metaphor which suggests that the the seen were humongous.

We have to also teach you English?

A cloud of mountains
This is a Metaphor which suggests that the the seen were humongous.

rolams:
Yes. May Allah accept all our acts of ibadah.

Metaphors in the Bible

Jesus said, “I am the bread of life” (John 6:35). This confused some people. “The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?


Isaiah 64:8: “But now, O Lord, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter; we are all the work of your hand.” We are not literally clay, but God molds us in certain ways.

Ezekiel 34:15–16: “I myself will be the shepherd of my sheep, and I myself will make them lie down, declares the Lord God. I will seek the lost, and I will bring back the strayed, and I will bind up the injured, and I will strengthen the weak, and the fat and the strong I will destroy. I will feed them in justice.

(How many humans take kindly to being likened to sheep)

Stop being obnoxiously critical

In pre-Islamic Arabia, a variety of different marriage practices existed. The most common and recognized types of marriage at this time consisted of: marriage by agreement, marriage by capture, marriage by mahr, marriage by inheritance and Mutah or temporary marriage.

Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) forbade mut’ah marriage and the meat of domestic donkeys at the time of Khaybar. According to another report, he forbade mut’ah marriage at the time of Khaybar and he forbade the meat of tame donkeys. (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 3979; Muslim, 1407)

Al-Rabi’ ibn Sabrah al-Juhani narrated that his father told him that he was with the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) who said, “O people, I used to allow you to engage in mut’ah marriages, but now Allah has forbidden that until the Day of Resurrection, so whoever has any wives in a mut’ah marriage, he should let her go and do not take anything of the (money) you have given them.” (Narrated by Muslim, 1406)

The prophet met the pagan practice and in time on Allah's command abolished it.

You see other hadith here and understand that with varying hadith words of reporting in hadith confusion can easily arise.
Following the Quran is better and once you are in doubt about an issue it is better left so as not to fall into wrong doing.

Ibn Ishaq started collection of tales like his transmitter father and came into collection of Hadith.

However, Ibn Ishaq was ordered to get out of Medina for relating a false Hadith from a woman, Faṭima bint al-Mundhir, wife of Hisham ibn Urwa.

Following the revelation of verses 53:19 and 53:20 of Surah Al Najam, Have you thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza (53:19) And Manat, the third, the other?” (53:20), Ibn Ishaq transmitted the false tale that after these verses 53:19 and 53:20 of Surah Al Najam the next two verses, “These are the exalted intermediaries cranes” and “Whose intercession is to be hoped for” were originally revealed by Satan, and as soon as these verses were revealed the whole council of Arab pagans and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) prostrated to the deities al-Laat , Manat and Uzzah and their conflicts on religion were peacefully dissolved but the Angel of revelation Gabriel’s timely Interventions made the Prophet of Islam aware that these verses were not from Allah as Satan had revealed them. Then Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) instantly changed his point of view.

In other words Ibn Ishaq gave an impression that Satan is more powerful than Allah (Nauzubillah), who made and revealed his verses more efficiently before Allah Who was still managing to reveal His verses through His Angel Gabriel and left behind the Satan.

TenQ:
If indeed it is a metaphor, explain how Dhu al-Qarnayn found a people at the rising or setting of the sun

Qur'an 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

If you claim Qur'an 18:86 is a metaphor,
1. How did Dhul-Qarnain find a people NEAR the setting place of the Sun?
2. How was he supposed to punish them or leave them with kimdness




Check the Arabic: the word Cloud (as mountain) is not present. Is it?

Qur'an 24:43
Hast thou not seen how Allah wafteth the clouds, then gathereth them, then maketh them layers, and thou seest the rain come forth from between them; He sendeth down from the heaven mountains wherein is hail, and smiteth therewith whom He will, and averteth it from whom He will. The flashing of His lightning all but snatcheth away the sight.

1. If the clouds is NOT figurative/metaphor , how can the mountains be figurative. It is the same verse sir?
2. Apart from the mountain, what else is figurative/metaphor in the verse?



And even the pagans joined Mohammed in prostration.

Why?


Sahih Bukhari / Volume 6 / Book 60 / Hadith 385
Narrated Ibn `Abbas: [/b]The Prophet (ﷺ) performed a prostration when he finished reciting Surat-an-Najm, and all the Muslims and pagans and Jinns and human beings prostrated along with him.




Your prophet allowed it, then baned it, then allowed it and it was practiced by you Muslims till the time of Umar.

[b]Sahih Muslim 1405 d
Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported:
We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of (tales or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and durnig the time of Abu Bakr until 'Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr b. Huraith.

Umar forbade Mutah not Mohammed!


Sahih Muslim 1405 a
Jabir b. 'Abdullah and Salama b. al-Akwa' said:
There came to us the proclaimer of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and said: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) has granted you permission to benefit yourselves, i. e. to contract temporary marriage with women.

Sahih Muslim 8: 3243
Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported: We were on an expedition with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and we had no women with us. We said: Should we not have ourselves castrated? He (the Holy Prophet) forbade us to do so He then granted us permission that we should contract temporary marriage for a stipulated period giving her a garment, and 'Abdullah then recited this verse: 'Those who believe do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, and do not transgress. Allah does not like trangressers" (al-Qur'an, v. 87).


What is the difference between temporary marriage and prostitution?
When did Allah abrogate the law of Mutah?



Was the verse of breastfeeding adult males 10 times revealed by Allah?.
Was this verse abrogated and replaced with 5 times breastfeeding by Allah?

Who finally deleted it front the Qur'an?
I've shown you what your Hadiths says.

Are they fabrications?
Can anyone be a Muslim without following the sunna of Mohammed?

And he was mocked for badly reciting sajah with tales of old that he banned it.

If these verses were recited kindly provide a copy of the Quran where they exist

Ibn Ishaq was the son of Yasar’s third son Ishaq, who was a transmitter of akhbar (news) and also used to collect and recount tales of the past.

Ibn Ishaq started collection of tales like his transmitter father and came into collection of Hadith.

However, Ibn Ishaq was ordered to get out of Medina for relating a false Hadith from a woman, Faṭima bint al-Mundhir, wife of Hisham ibn Urwa.

Hence, the false Hadith transmitter Ibn Ishaq left Medina and settled in Baghdad, where he found employment with Abbasids, who were establishing their new Capital in Baghdad having overthrown the Umayyad Caliphate. (“Ibn Isḥaḳ - Encyclopedia of Islam” and “The Making of the Last Prophet”- University of South Carolina).

Under Abbasid’s hands Ibn Ishaq wrote the earliest biography of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) namely “Sirat ar Rasul Allah” in which he brought doubts in the verses of the Quran, pressed lies on Allah, and accused Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) of fabricating Allah’s words.

The false Hadith transmitter Ibn Ishaq transmitted “Qissa Gharaniq” (the story of intermediary cranes) with reference to the verses of Surah Al Najam Chapter 53 of the Quran, in which he accused Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) of not distinguishing the verses of Allah and the verses of Satan and that the Prophet (pbuh) purposely fabricated Allah’s words to compromise with Arab pagans on the matter of intercession (Persian Shafaat “شفاعت”) through their deities Lat, Manat and Uzzah.

Will Ibn Ishaq be the only false hadith transmitter?

I refer you to the Quran then you decide to quote from places that are not secure from manipulation.

The first pillar of Islam is belief.
Belief in Allah, his prophets, their books, heaven, hell, destiny and predestination.

The books mentioned here are the Torah, Zabur, Injil and Quran. No mention of hadith.

TenQ:
Again, these are your answers with evidences


I perfectly answered your questions
1. What was deleted :
The verse on breastfeeding Adult men 10 times which was later abrogated to 5 times.

[b]Sunan an-Nasa'i 3307: Book 26, Hadith 112
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"One of the things that Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed" -(one of the narrators) Al-Harith said (in his narration): "One of the things that were revealed in the Qur'an"- "was that ten known breast-feedings make marriage prohibited, then that was abrogated and changed to five known breast-feedings. Then the Messenger of Allah passed away when this was something that was still being recited in the Qur'an."

Sunan Ibn Majah 1942: Book 9, Hadith 98
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“Once of the things that Allah revealed in the the Qur'an and then abrogated was that nothing makes marriage prohibited except ten breastfeedings or five well-known (breastfeedings).”



2. Is it in the modern Qur'an?
No! .
It is Now completely absent and deleted from the Qur'an !


3. An example of the Adult breastfed was Salim
Sunan Ibn Majah 1943: Book 9, Hadith 99
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“Sahlah bint Suhail came to the Prophet and said: 'O Messenger of Allah, I see signs of displeasure on the face of Abu Hudhaifah when Salim enters upon me.” The Prophet said: “Breastfeed him.” She said: “How can I breastfeed him when he is a grown man? The Messenger of Allah smiled and said: “I know that he is a grown man.” So she did that, then she came to the Prophet and said: “I have never seen any signs of displeasure on the face of Abu Hudhayfah after that.” And he was present at (the battle of) Badr.

Sunan Abi Dawud 2061
A’ishah wife of the Prophet(ﷺ) and Umm Salamah said “Abu Hudaifah bin ‘Utbah bin Rabi’ah bin ‘Abd Shams adopted Salim as his son and married him to his niece Hind, daughter of Al Walid bin ‘Utbah bin Rabi’ah. He (Salim) was the freed slave of a woman from the Ansar (the Helpers) as the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) adopted Zaid as his son. In pre Islamic days when anyone adopted a man as his son, the people called him by his name and he was given a share from his inheritance. Allaah, the Exalted, revealed about this matter Call them by (the name of) their fathers, that is juster in the sight of Allaah. And if ye know not their fathers, then (they are) your brethren in the faith and your clients. They were then called by their names of their fathers. A man, whose father was not known, remained under the protection of someone and considered brother in faith. Sahlah daughter of Suhail bin Amr Al Quraishi then came and said Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ), we used to consider Salim(our) son. He dwelled with me and Abu Hudhaifah in the same house, and he saw me in the short clothes, but Allaah the Exalted, has revealed about them what you know, then what is your opinion about him? The Prophet (ﷺ) said give him your breast feed. She gave him five breast feeds. He then became like her foster son. Hence, A’ishah(may Allaah be pleased with her) used to ask the daughters of her sisters and the daughters of her brethren to give him breast feed five times, whom A’ishah wanted to see and who wanted to visit her. Though he might be of age; he then visited her. But Umm Salamah and all other wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) refused to allow anyone to visit them on the basis of such breast feeding unless one was given breast feed during infancy. They told A’ishah by Allaah we do not know whether that was a special concession granted by the Prophet (ﷺ) to Salim exclusive of the people.


4. Is there evidence that it was Recited as Qur'an?
Yes. Several Sahih hadiths say that
a. Allah revealed it
b. It was recited while it was ten times breastfeeding till it was abrogated to five times.
c. Aisha claimed to have it written on a patchment which a tame sheep ate while they were mourning the death of Mohammed.
d. The verses were still being recited by the time of death of Mohammed.
Sunan an-Nasa'i 3307: Book 26, Hadith 112
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"One of the things that Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed" -(one of the narrators) Al-Harith said (in his narration): "One of the things that were revealed in the Qur'an"- "was that ten known breast-feedings make marriage prohibited, then that was abrogated and changed to five known breast-feedings. Then the Messenger of Allah passed away when this was something that was still being recited in the Qur'an."


5. Are the Hadiths Hassan?
All the hadiths are Sahih except where Aisha claimed a sheep ate the verse of stoning and breastfeeding. Even this hadith is Hassan!





We can only use Data provided by Muslims as EVIDENCE for Islam.

Are you a Qur'an only Muslim?

If you are not, then we must use ALL your hadiths especially the ones you call Hassan or Sahih.

Here you are!?
Are these Hadiths Fabrications?

Jazakallahu bro. May he find some use. Interestingly he follows with more or repeated questions for reasons best known to him

rolams:
Thank you for your time ooo! But I told he won't believe you. I know his mission that's why he doesn't deserve my time.

1. This verse doesn’t state the sun goes into a body of water, there are no implications of this at all.
If I tell you I found the sun setting in my basket ball net. Then what would you understand?
Will you fuss saying no science says .....
Or if I say the Sun is rising from behind the hills what will you understand?
If you do that i will put you with fools because this has nothing to do with science here but with how I personally saw the sun.

It looked like it was fading into that but not literally.

2. Do you not see that Allah drives clouds? Then He brings them together, then He makes them into a mass, and you see the rain emerge from within it. And He sends down from the sky, mountains [of clouds] within which is hail, and He strikes with it whom He wills and averts it from whom He wills. The flash of its lightening almost takes away the eyesight

The preposition on the translation you have used is misplaced

Hence the confusion.
Mountains of clouds ..is used as a figure of speech used in similar fashion as “metaphor” in English language

3. No.
https://www.al-islam.org/quran-and-hadith-sayyid-saeed-akhtar-rizvi/addenda-satanic-suggestion

4. No prostitution is not allowed in Islam. The act of temporary marriage was prominent in the ignorant pagan arabian lifestyle and it was abolished in time. Similar to how drinking alcohol was stopped. Quran 4:24 primarily encourages kindness in marital engagement. Giving the mahr (bride price) to the wife as mutually agreed.

5. What Quran says on breastfeeding is here:
Al-Baqarah 2:233
Mothers may nurse [i.e., breastfeed] their children two complete years for whoever wishes to complete the nursing [period]. Upon the father is their [i.e., the mothers'] provision and their clothing according to what is acceptable. No person is charged with more than his capacity. No mother should be harmed through her child, and no father through his child. And upon the [father's] heir is [a duty] like that [of the father]. And if they both desire weaning through mutual consent from both of them and consultation, there is no blame upon either of them. And if you wish to have your children nursed by a substitute, there is no blame upon you as long as you give payment according to what is acceptable. And fear Allāh and know that Allāh is Seeing of what you do.

Unless you refer to what we trashed out on the claims to breastfeed men.

You do know Muhammad pbuh was mocked by the pagans as writing poetry.

Noted.
However you write about loopholes which bemuses me.

Quran 3:7 states:
(interpretation of the meaning of what Allah says):
“It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) the Book (this Qur’aan). In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book [and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkaam (commandments), Al-Faraa’id (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudood (laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers)]; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allaah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: “We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord.” And none receive admonition except men of understanding”

What is meant here is that the Quran contains verses that are very clear and verses that are not entirely clear. The entirely clear verses (muhkam) are those which are clear and concerning which there is no confusion; this applies to most of the verses of the Qur’aan.
These verses are the “foundations of the Book”. As for the verses which are not entirely clear (mutashaabih) these are verses which may not be clear to some people, in exclusion to others. The scholars know them but the ignorant do not, and there are some which only Allaah knows.

Those who follow the truth refer the verses which are not entirely clear to the verses which are entirely clear, whereas those who follow deviation follow the verses which are not entirely clear, and they use the verses which are not entirely clear to contradict the verses which are entirely clear, for the purpose of creating confusion, distorting and misleading.

You make reference to the Prophet pbuh falling into the Satan's trap. This is very far from the truth so I refer you to:

https://www.al-islam.org/quran-and-hadith-sayyid-saeed-akhtar-rizvi/addenda-satanic-suggestion

And in conclusion do enjoy:


https://youtube.com/shorts/p6HgP7E1rPQ?feature=share

TenQ:
Dear Explore2xmore,
You have at least more knowledgeable than the host of many on NairaLand. I appreciate your time and deep knowledge.

You very well know that many things are difficult to defend in Islam because the Hadiths present too much loopholes in the Qur'an itself. Unfortunately, many times, the Qur'an is meaningless without the hadiths and the tafsir.

If you ask me, I would say that Islam has been upgraded many times between the 7th and 9th century. This is why there seem to be a big gap between Mohammed and the hadiths or Mohammed and the Modern Qur'an. This is my opinion(I am not an expert)

This statement above is contrary to the modern standard Islamic Narratives!
The Modern Standard narratives under scrutiny Break down irrevocably. This is why some Muslims call themselves Qur'an-Only Muslims. These Muslims think that complexities and dissonances would be resolved only to create a new problem.

As Muslims, you are Commanded by the almighty Allah not to ask questions about what has been revealed to you in the Qur'an. Unfortunately, this is a trap that forbids you to check if what you are reciting is truly from God or not.

Even prophet Muhammad fell into this trap when the verse on the intercession of the daughters of Allah was received from satan.
Mohammed didn't ask questions until Jubril had to tell him that he wasn't the one who gave him this satanic verses as Qur'an.

My objective is to stimulate Muslims to ask Questions. As they ask Questions, the Truth would be made apparent to them. As long as they refuse to ask questions, they would never know when they will be DECEIVED!

With ALL my Heart, I LOVE Muslims!
I wish them to know the Messiah who is their guarantee to Paradise.


Finally,
Mr Explore2xmore, just as I ask you Questions about Islam, I appreciate if you also ask me ANY Question about Christianity and I will try my best to answer them.

So, my friend, thank you once again for your time and I hope we remain cordial as we explain to each other the reason for our faith.

Thank you Sir.
TenQ

No you have not answered any of my questions.

1. Write out the exact verse or verses you allege were deleted.

2. Provide names of adult males breastfed with evidence. (Naming Salim alone is unacceptable)

You initially claimed a verse and I referred you to it with exact location.
You provided text for this verse.

Another which you lay claim of is entirely from hadith which is most questionable.

The normal practice forbidding marital relations between those who suckled from the same breast is clear.
Q4:23
Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your [milk] mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And [also prohibited are] the wives of your sons who are from your [own] loins, and that you take [in marriage] two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.

As mischief makers are unable to corrupt the Quran they look to fabricated hadith as a way to achieve this

Answer my questions please or withdraw your claim.

You cannot allege something to be deleted if it is not properly identified. We have gone through hadith being a secondary source which may be unreliable.
Allah says he will protect the Quran not hadith. which the Prophet was not in support of its documentation.

You are quite obsessed with a fixation of a missing Quran of Abu Bakr. Is it different from others? Please explain how.

This Quran that has a sustainable link of being passed down through the following Caliph then to his daughter and was used by Uthman the Caliph after to produce Quran in Qureysh dialect.

Unlike now most people knew the Quran by heart.

Your 'sahih hadith' is a statement saying so. More evidence of proof is required so tell us the deleted texts and name other males other than Salim which is an exceptional case.

You are bantering not much other than hearsay unless you can bring on anyother proof.


Hearsay may arise where a document is adduced in evidence which was created by a witness who is absent from the trial

TenQ:
How can I show you verses that have been deleted from the modern Qur'an especially when no one knows where the copy of the Qur'an of Abu Bakr and the Qur'an of Uthman are.

However, I can give you sahih hadiths to show that Allah revealed verses which are not found anywhere in the modern Quran.


Hearsay may arise where a document is adduced in evidence which was created by a witness who is absent from the trial

Sunan an-Nasa'i 3307: Book 26, Hadith 112
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"One of the things that Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed" -(one of the narrators) Al-Harith said (in his narration): "One of the things that were revealed in the Qur'an"- "was that ten known breast-feedings make marriage prohibited, then that was abrogated and changed to five known breast-feedings. Then the Messenger of Allah passed away when this was something that was still being recited in the Qur'an."

1. The verse of breastftwas revealed by Allah
2. The 10 times breastfeeding was abrogated ant reduced to 5 times breastfeeding.

Both the 10 times breastfeeding and the 5 times breastfeeding are DELETED from the modern Qur'an.




Salim was breastfed according to the instruction of Mohammed.

Evidence:
Sunan Abi Dawud 2061
A’ishah wife of the Prophet(ﷺ) and Umm Salamah said “Abu Hudaifah bin ‘Utbah bin Rabi’ah bin ‘Abd Shams adopted Salim as his son and married him to his niece Hind, daughter of Al Walid bin ‘Utbah bin Rabi’ah. He (Salim) was the freed slave of a woman from the Ansar (the Helpers) as the Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) adopted Zaid as his son. In pre Islamic days when anyone adopted a man as his son, the people called him by his name and he was given a share from his inheritance. Allaah, the Exalted, revealed about this matter Call them by (the name of) their fathers, that is juster in the sight of Allaah. And if ye know not their fathers, then (they are) your brethren in the faith and your clients. They were then called by their names of their fathers. A man, whose father was not known, remained under the protection of someone and considered brother in faith. Sahlah daughter of Suhail bin Amr Al Quraishi then came and said Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ), we used to consider Salim(our) son. He dwelled with me and Abu Hudhaifah in the same house, and he saw me in the short clothes, but Allaah the Exalted, has revealed about them what you know, then what is your opinion about him? The Prophet (ﷺ) said give him your breast feed. She gave him five breast feeds. He then became like her foster son. Hence, A’ishah(may Allaah be pleased with her) used to ask the daughters of her sisters and the daughters of her brethren to give him breast feed five times, whom A’ishah wanted to see and who wanted to visit her. Though he might be of age; he then visited her. But Umm Salamah and all other wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) refused to allow anyone to visit them on the basis of such breast feeding unless one was given breast feed during infancy. They told A’ishah by Allaah we do not know whether that was a special concession granted by the Prophet (ﷺ) to Salim exclusive of the people.



No problem with this.
Mohammed commanded Muslims not to take hadiths from him anyways!