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Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 11:29am On Sep 21, 2023
You didn't answer on Kab al abhar and I have answered, why not answer yourself?
TenQ:
He refused to answer my questions.

He has denied his hadiths now and want to turn himself into Qur'an only Muslim!
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 11:27am On Sep 21, 2023
The Islam you quote is your definition of Islam from hadith not the Quran.

TenQ:
It is impossible for you to speak the truth with respect to your religion.


Volume 7, Book 62, Number 13 :
Narrated by 'Abdullah
We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, "Shall we get ourselves castrated?" He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry women with a temporary contract and recited to us: 'O you who believe ! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, but commit no transgression.' (5.87)


This also found in

Sahih Muslim 1404a
Abdullah (b. Mas’ud) reported: We were on an expedition with Allah’s Messenger and we had no women with us. We said: Should we not have ourselves castrated? He (the Holy Prophet) forbade us to do so He then granted us permission that we should contract temporary marriage for a stipulated period giving her a garment, and ‘Abdullah then recited this verse: ‘Those who believe do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, and do not transgress. Allah does not like trangressers”

You are not a Qur'an only Muslim yet you don't explain the Qur'an with the hadith. I So, non of why reference the hadiths in the first place?

Did you see ANYTHING like Contract of Temporary Marriage in the two Sahih Hadiths?
This Mutah was Authorised By Allah and his prophet! Your prophet banned it then allowed it then banned it then allowed it And till he died, Mutah was still in practice till the second Khalif finally banned it.



All you have shown me is the unreliability of your hadiths narrated by Muslims, guess what compiled by Muslims and used by Muslims. How then can we trust anything from the mouth of Muslims.

You don't even trust yourselves to speak the truth! SMH!


FINALLY
On the title of your Original Post:

KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith -
1. This is completely untrue. Is it possible to follow a person you don't even know?
2. I did not know ANYTHING about Kab al-Ahbar till you opened this your thread
3. You could not even show that any significant number of Hadiths relative to your available hadiths are by Kab al-Ahbar
4. Kab al-Ahbar was a Jew who converted to Islam and DIED as a Muslim




Please let's call it a day!
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 9:08am On Sep 21, 2023
You are too anxious!
I have answered you in my post before this.
Okay let me part answer your updated question, which verse of the Quran has مهر in it?

TenQ:
There are four questions I posted : are you saying that the perfect answer for a question is to ask the questioner the same questions?

My Basis
1. Question 1
The Qur'an 4:24 used the word أُجُورَهُنَّ rather than مهر.
So, I asked you the question:
What is the difference between
أُجُورَهُنَّ and مهر?


2. The Qur'an 4:24 used the word مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ
So, I asked the question
What is مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ ?

The other two questions are straight forward
3. Is it untrue that Qur'an 5:87 is related to Sahih al-Bukhari 5075, Muslim 1404a and subsequently Tafsir by Ibn ‘Abbâs and Ibn Kathir on Qur'an 4:24?

4. Is hadith by Bukhari 5075 and Muslim 1404a Sahih or Daif or Maudu?
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 9:05am On Sep 21, 2023
No temporary marriage in Islam. All you have of it is from the Jahiliyah period and maybe early Islam.
I am not very clear on reports that some people try to validate this claim and we know there are such contractual marriages in society. Do such contract societal marriage carry the name Mutah?

What break dance? I have further educated you about the non reliability of hadith even the ones with the classification of authentic or Sahih. These often rely on the chain of narration and don't bother as much with the content of the hadith.

You that asked the question in arabic should answer. I will love to show you something and probably learn from you.

It is against my belief to explain Quran based on hadith. There will be numerous hadith which are more of people's opinions on the Quran. Sahih, Hassan, Daif or Maudu are irrelevant as these are opinions and you have seen these collections having contrary hadith so tell me what then is the use?

TenQ:
Is marrying with a temporary contract not a kind of Islamic Marriage?
Is this not what is called Mutah?

If you had answered my questions, you would not be doing break-dance about the thread.


Questions :
1. What is the difference between
أُجُورَهُنَّ and مهر?

2. What is مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ ?

3. Is it untrue that Qur'an 5:87 is related to Sahih al-Bukhari 5075, Muslim 1404a and subsequently Tafsir by Ibn ‘Abbâs and Ibn Kathir on Qur'an 4:24?

4. Is hadith by Bukhari 5075 and Muslim 1404a Sahih or Daif or Maudu?
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 8:55am On Sep 21, 2023
As earlier informed.

Abū Isḥāq Kaʿb ibn Maniʿ, also known as Kaʿb al-Aḥbār, was a Jewish convert to Islam who lived in the first century of Islamic history. He played a significant role in the formation of Islamic traditions through the collation of hadith.

His desire to establish his authority and gain influence among the early Muslim community cannot be overlooked. As a convert from Judaism, he sought to establish his credibility and position within the Islamic tradition. By fabricating hadith that were attributed to the Prophet Muhammad, he positioned himself as an important source of knowledge and guidance

Being well-versed in Jewish scripture and traditions, he sought to incorporate elements of Jewish religious teachings into the Islamic narrative. By fabricating hadith that supported Jewish beliefs or linked them with Islamic practices, Abū Isḥāq Kaʿb ibn Maniʿ aimed to consolidate the cultural and religious dimensions of the Muslim community. You may be familiar with the term Israliyat or Israeli stories.

It is essential to recognize that not all of Abū Isḥāq Kaʿb ibn Maniʿ's contributions were negative or unfounded. Some of the fabricated hadith attributed to him contain historical or moral lessons that align with Islamic values.

Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd ibn Aslam from Ata ibn Yasar that Kab al-Ahbar said, "If the person who passed in front of a man praying knew what he was bringing on himself, it would be better for him to sink into the ground than to pass in front of him.
Al Muwatta Book 9, Hadith 38

Yahya related to me from Malik from his paternal uncle, Abu Suhayl ibn Malik from his father that Kab al-Ahbar said, "If you want to know what a slave has with his Lord, then look at whatever good praise follows him.
Al Muwatta Book 47, Hadith 1640

Amr b. Abu Sufyan reported:
Abu Huraira said to Ka'b al-Ahbar that the Messenger of Allah pbuh had said: For every apostle there Is a (special) prayer by which he would pray (to his Lord). I, however, intend (if Allah so willed) that I would reserve my prayer for the intercession of my Ummah on the Day of Resurrection. Ka'b said to Abu Huraira: Did you hear this from the Messenger of Allah pbuh? Abu Huraira said: Yes.
Sahih Muslim 198d

Yahya related to me from Malik, from Zayd ibn Aslam, from Ata ibn Yasar, that Kab al-Ahbar was once coming back from Syria with a group of riders, and at a certain point along the road they found some game- meat and Kab said they could eat it. When they got back to Madina they went to Umar ibn al-Khattab and told him about that, and he said, "Who told you you could do that?", and they said, ''Kab.'' He said, "He was indeed the one I made amir over you until you should return."

Later, when they were on the road to Makka, a swarm of locusts passed them by and Kab told them to catch them and eat them. When they got back to Umar ibn al-Khattab they told him about this, and he said (to Kab), "What made you tell them they could do that?" Kab said, "It is game of the sea." He said, "How do you know?", and Kab said, "Amir al- muminin, by the One in whose hand my self is, it is only the sneeze of a fish which it sneezes twice every year."

Malik was asked whether a muhrim could buy game that he had found on the way. He replied, "Game that is only hunted to be offered to people performing Hajj I disapprove of and forbid, but there is no harm in game that a man has which he does not intend for those in ihram, but which a muhrim finds and buys."

Malik said, about someone who had some game with him that he had hunted or bought at the time when he had entered into ihram, that he did not have to get rid of it, and that there was no harm in him giving it to his family.

Malik said that it was halal for some one in ihram to fish in the sea or in rivers and lakes, etc.
Muwatta Book 20 Hadith 787

Yahya related to me from Malik from Afif ibn Amr as-Sahmi that Ata ibn Yasar said, "I asked Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-As and Kab al Ahbar about someone who was uncertain in his prayer, and did not know whether he had prayed three or four rakas. Both of them said, 'He should pray another raka and then do two sajdas from the sitting position. Muwatta Chapter 3 Hadith 68

Ka'b Al-Ahbar also said every event that has taken place or will take place, on any foot of the earth, is written in the Torah, which Allah revealed to His Prophet Moses.

He also said to Umar r.a when he summoned him and asked where do you think better to build the musalla, oratory? " Ka’b replied: "Beside the rock"i.e. the rock would be the qiblah." 'Umar r.a said: "O Jewish person [son of a Jewish woman], you are mixing your Jewishness [with Islam]. I shall build it at the forefront of the mosque, as to us belong the forefronts of the mosques
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 8:27am On Sep 21, 2023
I put the question back to the questuoner when he asked about مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مَهَرَ to answer describing it's relevance to the discussion.

You later striked this through without answering or saying why only saying corrected. I didn't mark what wasn't being examined and you replaced with أُجُورَهُنَّ.

Do feel free to tell or explain. Appreciate.

TenQ:
Mallam Explore2xmore,
Why haven't you answered my questions?


Questions :
1. What is the difference between
أُجُورَهُنَّ and مهر?

2. What is مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ ?

3. Is it untrue that Qur'an 5:87 is related to Sahih al-Bukhari 5075, Muslim 1404a and subsequently Tafsir by Ibn ‘Abbâs and Ibn Kathir on Qur'an 4:24?

4. Is hadith by Bukhari 5075 and Muslim 1404a Sahih or Daif or Maudu?
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 8:11am On Sep 21, 2023
Your reliance on hadith before reading the Quran has only made you misunderstand the Quran.

Quran 4, An-Nisaa, The women adequately talks about marriage and does not refer to Mutah.

Foremost in verse 3: And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].

Then verse 4 says give women their dowries graciously. But if they willingly forego some of it, then consume it with enjoyment and pleasure.

It now follows with further guidance as to who and how you should marry.

22. Do not marry women whom your fathers married, except what is already past. That is improper, indecent, and a bad custom.

23. Forbidden for you are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your paternal aunts, your maternal aunts, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your foster-mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your stepdaughters in your guardianship—born of wives you have gone into—but if you have not gone into them (essentially the marriage is not consumated), there is no blame on you. And the wives of your genetic sons, and marrying two sisters simultaneously. Except what is past. God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

24. And all married women, except those you rightfully possess. This is God’s decree, binding upon you. Permitted for you are those that lie outside these limits, provided you seek them in legal marriage, with gifts from your property, seeking wedlock, not prostitution. If you wish to enjoy them (important), then give them their dowry—a legal obligation. You commit no error by agreeing to any change to the dowry. God is All-Knowing, Most Wise.

25. If any of you lack the means to marry free believing women, he may marry one of the believing maids under your control. God is well aware of your faith. You are from one another. Marry them with the permission of their guardians, and give them their recompense fairly—to be protected—neither committing adultery, nor taking secret lovers. When they are married, if they commit adultery, their punishment shall be half that of free women. That is for those among you who fear falling into decadence. But to practice self-restraint is better for you. God is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.

26. God intends to make things clear to you, and to guide you in the ways of those before you, and to redeem you. God is Most Knowing, Most Wise.

So you see it doesn't talk of Mutah.

The Quran itself says one should not insist on believing in a ready-made proposition or accepting a popular hypothesis, without deep observation and reasoning, as this is misguiding (2:170, 5:104, 10:100-101, 31:21, 33:67, 37:69-71)

It also harshly criticizes the inertia of a vegetative existence that lacks critical thinking and cognition (7:179, 8:22, 10:100-101, 11:24)

As well as describes unquestioning minds as polluted (10:100); describing unreasoning folks as subhumans (7:179, 8:22, 25:44).

Once you can critically and sincerely study the Quran you will see that Allah never prescribed Mutah. Sadly commentators have mislead many to wrong understanding that Quran prescribes temporary marriage.

It is indisputable that temporary marriages was part of the Arabian culture in the time of ignorance and quite a number tried to find ways to hold on to their previous ways. Indeed sincerity , steadfastness and strength in faith isn't automatic. Therein is the real jihad of every believer. You should know too that Israelites married from the female captives of war and were most certain to kill their husbands and males.

TenQ:
My error please for the incorrect citation on Bukhari. Bukhari Book 67 Hadith 52

Error regretted!
The correct citation is below


Volume 7, Book 62, Number 13 :
Narrated by 'Abdullah
We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, "Shall we get ourselves castrated?" He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry women with a temporary contract and recited to us: 'O you who believe ! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, but commit no transgression.' (5.87)


This also found in

Sahih Muslim 1404a
Abdullah (b. Mas’ud) reported: We were on an expedition with Allah’s Messenger and we had no women with us. We said: Should we not have ourselves castrated? He (the Holy Prophet) forbade us to do so He then granted us permission that we should contract temporary marriage for a stipulated period giving her a garment, and ‘Abdullah then recited this verse: ‘Those who believe do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, and do not transgress. Allah does not like trangressers”

My argument is not whether Mutual was cancelled or not. Of course it was cancelled BUT not by Allah in the Qur'an.

Your Claim 1:


My response,
1. The command to do Mutah was given by Allah in Quran 4:24
2. The command for Mutah was never abrogated by Allah in the Quran.
3. Mohammed later abrogated Allah's command for Mutah
4. The report of Mohammed abrogating the command of Allah on Mutah can only be found in the Hadith.

Conclusion :
Why do you hold on to Hadiths over the command of Allah in the Qur'an

2. I showed you from your hadiths that Qur'an 4:24 is about Temporary Marriage (Mutah).
a. Volume 7, Book 62, Number 13 =Sahih al-Bukhari 5075:
b. Sahih Muslim 1404a

3. If you doubt, I give me a single verse where Mutah was abrogated in the Qur'an.
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 6:35am On Sep 21, 2023
Wrong basis for comparison. How did Allah create animals and other living things compared to how he created man?

He is the One Who has made perfectly everything He has created: He began the creation of human beings with clay, And made his progeny from a quintessence of the nature of a fluid despised: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit…”
Q32:7-9

All other creatures were created in a different manner and he did not breath into them to give them life.

And Allah has created from water every living creature. Some of them crawl on their bellies, some walk on two legs, and some walk on four. Allah creates whatever He wills. Surely Allah is Most Capable of everything.
Q24:45

The nature and position of mankind in his creation is far different from other creatures. Allah created mankind and jinn to worship him

I have not created the jinns and men but to worship Me.Q51:56

So you see however highly placed Jesus pbuh is he created neither man nor jinn.

TenQ:
It seems you don't read the Qur'an.
Jesus said:
I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird,
then
I breathe into it and it becomes a bird

Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 1:37am On Sep 21, 2023
Now you did not appropriately tag the hadith in your original post. And you still mistag here. Why?
TenQ:
Here is

Sahih al-Bukhari, [b]Book 62, Hadith 52:[/b]
Narrated by Abdullah bin Mas'ud: "We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, 'Shall we get ourselves castrated?' He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry a woman temporarily by giving her even a garment, and then he recited to us: 'O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you.'"

Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Hadith 3243:
Narrated by Abdullah: "We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of dates or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) and during the time of Abu Bakr until Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr bin Huraith."
Narrated Salama:
`Ali happened to stay behind the Prophet and (did not join him) during the battle of Khaibar for he was having eye trouble. Then he said, "How could I remain behind Allah's Messenger ?" So `Ali set out following the Prophet, When it was the eve of the day in the morning of which Allah helped (the Muslims) to conquer it, Allah's Messenger said, "I will give the flag (to a man), or tomorrow a man whom Allah and His Apostle love will take the flag," or said, "A man who loves Allah and His Apostle; and Allah will grant victory under his leadership." Suddenly came `Ali whom we did not expect. The people said, "This is `Ali." Allah's Messenger gave him the flag and Allah granted victory under his leadership.
Bukhari 62 Hadith 52


TenQ:
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 62, Hadith 52 is Also repeated in Hadith by Muslim with respect to Qur'an 5:87

[/b]
Narrated `Ali:
I said to Ibn `Abbas, "During the battle of Khaibar the Prophet forbade (Nikah) Al-Mut'a and the eating of donkey's meat."
Bukhari Book 67 Hadith 52

Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah and Salama bin Al-Akwa`:

While we were in an army, Allah's Messenger came to us and said, "You have been allowed to do the Mut'a (marriage), so do it."
Bukhari Book 67 Hadith 54

Do the immediate two hadith above this writing not contradict each other?

Then:
Salama bin Al-Akwa` said:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)'s said, "If a man and a woman agree (to marry temporarily), their marriage should last for three nights, and if they like to continue, they can do so; and if they want to separate, they can do so." I do not know whether that was only for us or for all the people in general. Abu `Abdullah (Al-Bukhari) said: `Ali made it clear that the Prophet said, "The Mut'a marriage has been cancelled (made unlawful).
Bukhari Book 67 Hadith 55

Why do you insist on describing Islam with literature that obviously contradict each other.


I don't have the time to show you all the hadith that forbid this mutah you refer to but will paste a link for you to see.

https://sunnah.com/search?q=temporary+marriage

You will read hadith from Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, Abi Dawud, Bulugh etc. forbidding Mutah

Why do you now cross out the arabic words? I simply asked you to explain them and their relevance. Does the crossing mean a withdrawal of the question?
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 10:31pm On Sep 20, 2023
Can you also quote this your Bukhari hadith in full as I am finding hadith of this specification with different content?

TenQ:
Of cause,!
What is chastity?

Qur'an 5:87
"O you who have believed, do not prohibit the good things which Allah has made lawful to you and do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors."


The background and context for this verse
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 62, Hadith 52:
Narrated by Abdullah bin Mas'ud: "We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, 'Shall we get ourselves castrated?' He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry a woman temporarily by giving her even a garment, and then he recited to us: 'O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you.'"



Chastity is following the rules of Allah for Mutah.
The rules of Allah
Every other kind of women are lawful to you for sex provided
a. You give these women gifts and
b. Pay the women their dues for the sexual service provided as a must
c. Fulfill your Mutual agreement with these women.


According to Allah, it is a transgression and it is unlawful to RAPE or DEFRAUD an unmarried woman to have sex with her AND A married woman is lawful to Muslims only if she's a prisoner of war

These are the good things Allah has made lawful to you

What is the difference between
مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مهر?
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 10:17pm On Sep 20, 2023
TenQ:
Of cause,!
What is chastity?

Qur'an 5:87
"O you who have believed, do not prohibit the good things which Allah has made lawful to you and do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors."


The background and context for this verse
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 62, Hadith 52:
Narrated by Abdullah bin Mas'ud: "We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, 'Shall we get ourselves castrated?' He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry a woman temporarily by giving her even a garment, and then he recited to us: 'O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you.'"



Chastity is following the rules of Allah for Mutah.
The rules of Allah
Every other kind of women are lawful to you for sex provided
a. You give these women gifts and
b. Pay the women their dues for the sexual service provided as a must
c. Fulfill your Mutual agreement with these women.


According to Allah, it is a transgression and it is unlawful to RAPE or DEFRAUD an unmarried woman to have sex with her AND A married woman is lawful to Muslims only if she's a prisoner of war

These are the good things Allah has made lawful to you

What is the difference between
مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مهر?
As you insist on using hadith to derive the meaning of Quran verses can you help choose which is to be taken:
Ibn Kathir reports:
`Ali bin Abi Talhah said that Ibn `Abbas said, “This Ayah ﴿5:87﴾ was revealed about some of the Companions of the Prophet who said, `We should cut off our male organs, abandon the desires of this life and travel in the land, just as the Ruhban (monks) do.’ When the Prophet heard of this statement, he summoned them and asked them if they made this statement and they answered `Yes.’ The Prophet said:
I fast and break my fast, pray and sleep, and marry women. Whoever follows my Sunnah is of me, and whoever abandons my Sunnah is not of me. Ibn Abi Hatim also collected this Hadith. Ibn Marduwyah recorded that Al-`Awfi said that Ibn `Abbas narrated a similar Hadith. It is recorded in the Two Sahihs that `A'ishah said that some of the Companions asked the wives of the Prophet about the acts of worship that he performed in private. One of them said, "I will not eat meat,'' another said, "I will not marry women,'' while the third said, "I will not sleep on the bed.'' When the Prophet heard this statement, he said,What is the matter with some people who said such and such I fast and break the fast, sleep and wake to stand to pray, eat meat, and marry women. He who is not pleased with my Sunnah is not of me.Allah's statement and transgress not means, do not exaggerate and make it hard for yourselves by prohibiting the permissible things Do not transgress the limits by excessively indulging in the permissible matters; only use of it what satisfies your need; and do not fall into extravagance

Al- Maududi says:
This verse embodies two directives. The first is that man should not attribute to himself the authority to proclaim things either lawful or unlawful according to his own wishes. Only that which God has held to be lawful is lawful, and only that which God has declared unlawful is unlawful. If men were to declare certain things either lawful or unlawful on their own authority, they would not be following the law of God but their own laws. The second directive is that they should not adopt the course of world-renunciation and abstention from worldly pleasures as the Christian monks, Hindu mendicants, Buddhist bhikshus and illuminist mystics did. Religious-minded and virtuous people have always tended to consider their physical and carnal desires an impediment to spiritual growth. They have considered suffering, deprivation from worldly pleasures and abstention from the means of worldly sustenance to be acts of goodness and indispensable for achieving proximity to God. Even some of the Companions leaned in this direction. The Prophet (peace be on him) once came to know that some Companions had resolved that they would fast without interruption, that instead of spending the night on their beds they would remain awake praying, that they would consume neither meat nor fat, and would have no (sexual) relations with women. The Prophet (peace be on him) addressed the people on this subject and said: ‘I have not been commanded to do so. Even your own self has rights against you. So, fast on certain days and refrain from fasting on others. Stay awake praying at night and also sleep. Look at me; 1 sleep as well as stay awake (praying); sometimes I fast and sometimes I don’t. I consume meat as well as fat. Whosoever dislikes my way does not belong to me.’ He then added: ‘What has happened to people that they have prohibited for themselves women, good food, perfumes, sleep and the pleasures of the world, whereas I have not taught you to become monks and priests. In my religion there is neither abstention from women nor from meat, neither seclusion nor withdrawal.

For the purposes of self-control my religion has fasting. As for monasticism, all its benefits can be derived from jihad (struggle in the way of God). Serve God and associate none with Him. Perform Hajj and ‘Umrah, establish Prayers, dispense Zakah and observe the fasts of Ramadan. Those who were destroyed before you were destroyed because they were severe with themselves, and when they became severe with themselves God became severe with them as well.

You can see Ibn Kathir and Maududi are more encompassing in discussing this verse.

Do tell me the difference between مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مهر as well as it's relevance to this discussion.
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op):
TenQ:
The burden of any proof of Kab al-Ahbar is on you. What was my claim on him that requires a proof?
Finally he covetly admits he cannot present anaything. Maybe I will tell you some in a subsequent post.

TenQ:
Yes, Qur'an 4:24 speaks of women lawful for you Muslims and it include Mutah.

Quran 4:24 (Surah An-Nisa):
"And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise."


1. You are forbidden to have sex with married women unless they are your captives in war, why then it becomes legal.
2. Every other kind of women are lawful to you for sex provided
a. You give these women gifts and
b. Pay the women their dues for the sexual service provided as a must
c. Fulfill your Mutual agreement with these women.

I am sure you know the difference between
مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مهر.
Q4:24And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

Point of focus italicised and emboldened.
(You seek them in marriage) and (desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse.

Or another translation of the meaning:
Also ˹forbidden are˺ married women—except ˹female˺ captives in your possession. This is Allah’s commandment to you. Lawful to you are all beyond these—as long as you seek them with your wealth in a legal marriage, not in fornication. Give those you have consummated marriage with their due dowries. It is permissible to be mutually gracious regarding the set dowry. Surely Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 7:05pm On Sep 20, 2023
TenQ:
Yes or No: Do you practice Mutah?
What do the Quran verses you present say? Do they talk about Mutah?

You are unable to provide up to 3 hadith from or with Kab al abhar in the chain of narration and are diverting from the subject. Why? To cover your inability?
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 5:54pm On Sep 20, 2023
Can you not comprehend what is stated in Bukhari not to follow laws outside the Quran?

Which command do you accuse me of not following? Did I snatch your wife which is what 4:24 and 5:87 refer to? I doubt we have ever even met in person.

You are the one that often refers to hadith for no other cause than to claim errors in Islam without even understanding what hadith is about.

Concisely state your arguments and premise for wrong conclusions.

TenQ:
Here is Bukhari 2155
Sahih al-Bukhari 2155
Narrated `Aisha:
Allah's Messenger came to me and I told him about the slave-girl (Barirah) Allah's Messenger said, "Buy and manumit her, for the Wala is for the one who manumits." In the evening the Prophet got up and glorified Allah as He deserved and then said, "Why do some people impose conditions which are not present in Allah's Book (Laws)? Whoever imposes such a condition as is not in Allah's Laws, then that condition is invalid even if he imposes one hundred conditions, for Allah's conditions are more binding and reliable."


So, why aren't you obeying Allah's commands?


Then why do you disregard the command of Allah in Qur'an 4:24 knowing that you should not prohibit the good things which Allah has made lawful to you according to Qur'an 5:87.

Here are laws you impose which are not present in Allah's book
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 62, Hadith 52:
Narrated by Abdullah bin Mas'ud: "We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, 'Shall we get ourselves castrated?' He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry a woman temporarily by giving her even a garment, and then he recited to us: 'O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you.'"

Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Hadith 3243:
Narrated by Abdullah: "We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of dates or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) and during the time of Abu Bakr until Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr bin Huraith."
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op):
FxMasterz:
That's how they do. In one breath they'll reverence their books as holy books, in another breath, they'll deny the same books whenever incriminating evidences stare them in the face. You'll quote from their Quran directly, they'll call you a liar. Very funny guys.
And you rely on what neither Allah nor his prophet say muslims should refer to?

Perhaps it's a lot like Paul's encounter with Jesus pbuh after his passing that significantly controls the new testament.
What irrefutable proof is there that Paul indeed met Jesus? Did Jesus appear to the living apostles to affirm the status of Paul?
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op):
You didn't confirm or deny this too.

Confirm or deny if Sahih Bukhari 2155 says:
....Why do some people impose conditions which are not present in Allah’s Book (Laws)? Whoever imposes such a condition as is not in Allah’s Laws, then that condition is invalid even if he imposes one hundred conditions, for Allah's conditions are more binding and reliable.”.....

Do you not try to place an importance on hadith when neither Allah nor Muhammad pbuh placed any importance on them?

TenQ:
Is your Quran, the book of your Allah even comprehensive?

If it is comprehensive, I why do you need thousands of hadiths and Tafsirs to back it up?

You Muslims even dispute on your own Tafsirs and you claim comprehensiveness!

Your Hadith is even less than comprehensive.
Bukhari has 7563 Hadiths
Muslim country has 3033 Hadiths

Do you even care to know the difference?
4,530
Only in Islam is this difference insignificant.

Finally,
If everything outside the Qur'an is invalid, why don't you practice Mutah (Holy Prostitution)
Do you or do you not practice nikāḥ al-mutʿah?
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 3:00pm On Sep 20, 2023
FxMasterz:
Meanwhile, you're unable to prove beyond reasonable doubt that TenQ is a hearsay speaker. We have no reason to take you seriously.
Fortunately Tenq himself says what he uses in arguments are not comprehensive

TenQ:
Are hadiths from Muslim and Bukhari comprehensive collections?

Yes or No!
[i]If they are comprehensive, then we should be able to find the urine of Mohammed inside. If not, I we will only find urine of carmels inside. LOL
If they are comprehensive, then we should be able to find the urine of Mohammed inside. He cannot find this there yet he carries one saying from wherever to prove a false point.

He ignores a clear statement in Buhari that everything outside the Quran is invalid.
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 12:42pm On Sep 20, 2023
We are then free to conclude to not take Tenq seriously as his sources are not comprehensive in their hearsay reports.

Point to note is the hearsay status.

Tenq is simply a hearsay specialist and spreader
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 10:24am On Sep 20, 2023
TenQ:
Are hadiths from Muslim and Bukhari comprehensive collections?

Yes or No!
If they are comprehensive, then we should be able to find the urine of Mohammed inside. If not, I we will only find urine of carmels inside. LOL

What did your prophet command you to do with camel urine in Bukhari and Muslim?


On a serious note:
You were the one who introduced Kab al-Ahbar to the chat as I don't know him. You are the one who should bring evidence of his connection with me.

You are the one who REJECT you own hadiths not me. One of your excuse was that Kab al-Ahbar was a major source of fake Hadiths in your compilations.

Now, According I check through and I saw that your most rever hadith compilation by Bukhari and Muslim hardly mentioned hadiths from him.

How is that my problem?
It is your problem : solve it!
Now you modify your argument to how comprehensive they are. Why did you emphasise on them in the first place?

You claim you don't know Kab al abhar but mentioned one or two jews that became muslim. Also their influence on Abu Hurayrah etc. Are you bothered about saying all you know?

Stop diverting and answer appropriately
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 8:42pm On Sep 19, 2023
TenQ:
Do you believe ALL hadiths from Muslim and Bukhari?
I am sure, but you will say no!
Then, tell us if Kab al-Ahbar was the one who fabricated the hadiths you reject!

You forget that your argument was that Kab al-Ahbar inserted daif and corrupt hadiths into your hadiths. Now we can't find them in Bukhari and Muslim YET to you still reject some hadiths from them. Who are you fooling?

Are you affirming that Bukhari and Muslim collected only authentic hadiths?
Since several hadiths are not common amongst hadith collectors, your question about Mohammed's urine is irrelevant.


How did Jewish Chidren bedtime story enter the Qur'an as scripture?
Solomon's flying carpet!
Ants talking to themselves about Solomon!
Solomon's army etc
How would you ask me about hadiths of Kab al-Ahbar that were rejected?
Am I a Muslim?




See how you twist language like shaitan!
SMH!
That God needs to create the world through something else
No wonder, non of you Muslims have been able to explain how Jesus is
the Word of/from Allah
the Spirit of/from Allah
a Prophet of Allah?


No wonder you don't understand that Jibril is a spirit and yet became a perfect man.
You don't even know what a spirit is!
Do you!?


Please when you can answer my questions convincingly on these, I then I will consider you ready for knowledge.
Why are you grasping at the air?
You have used Buhari and Muslim as a yardstick? I ask which of Bukhari hadith has Kab al abhar in its chain? Which of the 600,000 or 300,000 you say that were collected and probably rejected has al abhar in it? You cannot produce?

Based on your Buhari yardstick I ask of the one that has a report on the medicinal use of the prophet's pee? Can't you produce it?

Produce this first before we go into the story telling or not of Jewish writing on a man who himself was a Jew or was Jesus not a Jew?
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 7:36pm On Sep 19, 2023
TenQ:
1. The Bible never said that Jesus molded a bird and brought it to life. The writers of the gospel probably forgot to include it as one of the miracles of Jesus
2. The Bible says Jesus created everything seen and unseen.
3. You will need to first ask Allah why after Adam and Eve, he never created any other human being: then ask why Jesus Didn't create a human being.

You seem not to know that molding a figure into any form is the easy part, giving it life is the difficult one. Jesus did both.


The way you blame your Jewish scapegoat Kab al-Ahbar, one would think that all your Daif and Maudu hadiths are from him. I was surprised to find out that neither Bukhari nor Muslim quoted him extensively.
Kab al-Ahbar unfortunately, he died as a Muslim which weakens your position.

Too bad sir, it seems the majority of Muslims are confirmed liars else, there is no need to begin to grade hadiths and be cherry-picking as you do.



You and your prophet don't even know when Jewish Midrash fables entered the Qur'an and Allah never knew that the story wasn't part of the scriptures. SMH!

Children's bed time stories entered the Qur'an!?



Mat 1:21:
"And she shall bring forth a son, and you shall call his name JESUS: for he shall [i]save
his people from their sins."[/i]
Of course, He is coming back again for the harvest of His own

John 3:15-17:
"That whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

So, non of just as Moses saved the physical Israel to their destination-Israel, Jesus is saving His own people to their destination - Paradise.


There is a question I've been asking Muslims for ages now to no avail.

Why was the Messiah in the world with his outstanding nature?
Do you know?




Kab al-Ahbar is a Muslim like you, I deal with him.
What is the average percentage estimate of hadiths related by Kab al-Ahbar?
Still unable to answer?

Are Buhari and Muslim the only books of hadith?

Still waiting for even the Hadith of Kab al Abhar that were rejected? Or you cannot find any of his sayings at all?

If Buhari collected only authentic hadith where is the hadith in Buhari that talks about healing powers of Muhammad's pbuh pee?

You cannot answer these directly?

On Jesus creating everything you are off and the Bible literature is strange that the almighty God needs to create the world through something else. We will discuss these perhaps later but on the primary subject lets finish first.
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 2:54pm On Sep 19, 2023
Impressive display replying before evening.
The Bible and Quran refer to moulding a bird figure and bringing this to life.
Why isn't a human moulded and brought to life? Does this not show a limitation?

I ask you about him as you often say you know more of Islam than me to prove my lack of understanding or the scholars. Going as far as to abuse the honoured prophet of Islam and Allah the creator and sustainer of all.
I ask about him because of his position in relation to hadith which you are quick to bring up in support of your misguided untrue claims.

You search for hadith in Buhari and Muslim but do not strictly refer to hadith from them in your futile mission. Are you sure you have gone through all the narrators in the hadith of these two?

Are they the only books of hadith. At best they are 2 of 6 books recognised but still there are other hadith books or if you prefer look in the seerah.

Did Jesus understand the language of other animals like Solomon? Did he reassemble and liberate the Israelites like Moses yet all his apostles forsake him after his arrest and were still persecuted after his disappearance?

Ask yourself if your focus on Jesus beclouds you from the real God and truth of this?

Still waiting for even the Hadith of Kab al Abhar that were rejected if Buhari collected only authentic hadith. P.S also share the hadith in Buhari and Muslim that talks about healing powers of Muhammad's pbuh pee.

Still some time before evening.
TenQ:
It seems you don't read the Qur'an.
Jesus said:
I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird,
then
I breathe into it and it becomes a bird
And
I cure the blind [from birth] and the leper,
and
I give life to the dead -
And
I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses.


Who is the one DOING these things according to your Qur'an?

Do people need to be convinced that God has power by MAN doing only things God should be able to do?



Kab al-Ahbar is a Muslim and he died a Muslim, why ask me about him. He is related to you and not me. Is Kab al-Ahbar a Christian?

On a more serious note:
I searched for his hadiths and I discover that he has zero hadith mentioned by Bukhari and just two from Muslim.
But you talk as if he corrupted more than half of your hadiths.
Solve your hadith causing embarrassment problems by yourself or are you employing me to help you do so?

Why is it that of all humans, I only the Messiah can create? Creation of life is the attribute of God alone!
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 10:13am On Sep 19, 2023
Interesting view. However The Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will.” (Daniel 4:17).
Or you say this is a saying of old testatment.

Hope Tenq reads that only God can create life and understand. Jesus says in John 5:19 Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. Also John 14:31but so that the world may know that I love the Father, I do exactly as the Father commanded Me. Get up, let us go from here.
FxMasterz:
Only God can create life. Humans, angels and Satan can create organizations, designs, fashions, weapons even new terminologies, technologies, religions, etc.

What we can't do is that we cannot create life. Only God can create life.
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 9:58am On Sep 19, 2023
Did the Messiah create a hunan being? Was the bird creation not a miracle to convince of the power of the almighty?
If the Messiah is so powerful how come he knows not of the exact date of the hour?

Focus Tenq. Where are the hadiths of Kab al Abhar? Perhaps you can emphasise the ones fabricated. Hope to read from you in the late evening.
TenQ:
Only the Messiah creates LIFE but by the permission of Allah! LOL!

I can fly a plane too, but but only by the permission of the FAA!? Does it make sense to you?


Why is it that of all humans, I only the Messiah can create? Creation of life is the attribute of God alone!



Qur'an 3:49
And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allāh. And I cure the blind [from birth] and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allāh. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.



Qur'an 5:110
[The Day] when Allāh will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit [i.e., the angel Gabriel] and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind [from birth] and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic."
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 11:24pm On Sep 18, 2023
Your earlier reply quoted and point of interest bolded. Does Satan have the ability to create? This ability is only Allah's (the almighty). Saying another has this ability is equating him to almighty God.

FxMasterz:
My friend, Jesus came before Mohammed. He was prophesied of God before His arrival. He accomplished everything that was Prophesied about Him, including the exchange of His life for the redemption of the world. The greatest blow Jesus dealt Satan was His death on the cross. His death on the cross permitted Him to operate against Satan in the spirit realm as a man and recover man's lost glory for man.

This death, which is Christ's greatest accomplishment and Satan's greatest woe is what Satan created Islam to deny. Remove the death of Christ from everything in His existence, and His coming to the world immediately becomes useless. It's Christ's death that is the Hallmark of Christianity. That is the seal of salvation. It is the emblem of Satan's eternal defeat.


To conceal his defeat and keep men in perpetual ignorance, he created Islam to deny that Christ died and resurrected. Meanwhile, the Jesus portrayed in the Quran is a false Jesus. That Jesus isn't the Jesus of the Bible. The Jesus of the Bible came into the world through the Virgin birth purposely to make His soul an offering for sins. He actually came here as "the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world."

Tell me why Islam denies the same death that is the core message of salvation. Tell me why Islam denies the death of Christ which is the greatest blow satan suffered in all of eternity. The only one who can deny such event is that Satan who was most affected by it, and wants to keep people ignorant regarding the defeat he suffered on the cross. This truth has been spreading around the world for 600yrs before Satan created Islam to deny this truth regarding Satan:s defeat. You can choose what to believe but I know that the Original always appears before a counterfeit is created. Islam cannot be original because it was created as a counterfeit to counter Christianity. And, you'll soon see the reason why. The most important counter Satan needs is to deny the death and the resurrection of Christ because therein lies Satan's defeat. If Christ didn't die for sins, the Virgin birth is Useless. Thankfully, your Quran does not deny the virgin birth, but it denies the purpose of it. Why? Islam is claiming that Jesus indeed came into the world as promised but did not fulfil the purpose for which He was born.

If such an event as the death and resurrection of Christ is being denied 600yrs after it happened, now, you can easily decipher who authored the Quran and the purpose for which Islam was invented.
FxMasterz:
I'l answer the biblical question you raised but I wouldn't want to digress on the topic being discussed.

I never said Allah was Satan. I only showed you a video that demonstrates how words were wrongly translated in the Quran. The content of that video wasn't my focus.

Now, let's take the word makir as an example. You can't give it a meaning it never has just because of the context in which it is used in the Quran. It can't have a different meaning in the Quran other than the meanings for which it is already know in the Arabic Dictionary. See it's meaning in the screenshot below.

Now, regarding the Bible verses you raised, please understand that the Old Testament was never intended as a religious book. It was written only as a book to record Israel's history as well as document the activities and gemology of Israelites, their kings and Prophets. They were later adopted as religious books because of the spiritual insights they give on how to walk with God. The main religious books are the 5 books of Moses also called the Torah.

Now, there are two recorders of same events in the verses you referenced. These two people wrote according to their understanding of what God is. In Hebrew theology, it is generally believed that both good and evil come from God. The writer who holds this ideology wrote that God did move David to number Israel. The other writer who holds a different ideology, wrote that Satan moved David to number Israel. So, the verses don't express God as being Satan or vice versa. The Bible was not written verbatim by God. God moved people to write, and while they did so, God did not take their understanding from them. That's why the Spirit of God dwells in us to give us the true message and gems of scripture. The letters of the Bible kill, it is the Spirit that gives life.

The above explanations do not hold for the Quran because the Quran claims to be the verbatim word of God.
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 9:32pm On Sep 18, 2023
I appreciate your response. Who knows the nairaland technology for bans in full detail.
Your letters are of very large font size.

You rightly wrote in agreement with the concept of words having different meanings dependent upon context of use. It seems you are more inclined to the negative verb or word forms which you will agree does not eliminate a positive meaning. Varied meanings of the noun form of ماكِر (Makir) are presented.

You stated yesterday that Allah was satan which indeed is extremely far from the truth however your Bible seems to clearly indicate an equivalence of the two.

In 2 Sam 24:1 it is written that the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, Go and take a census of Israel and Judah

Yet in 1 Chron 20:1 it reads Then Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.

Was it Satan or God that incited David and are they alter ego to each other?

FxMasterz:
I actually replied you yesterday but bots banned me. I don't actually know why. I screenshot the post after I was banned. Please read my reply in the screenshots below:

Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 9:42am On Sep 18, 2023
Now I grow concerns about you. You post and highlight from my previous post yet you still ask? Is it that you don't understand?

Does Bukhari have Kab al Ahbar in the sanad of Hadith he collected and compiled?
Now you claim some clairvoyance to read my mind? Wrong again.

If talk is as cheap as you say are all your sayings too cheap or you exclude yourself from this?

Take some more time but not all the time and tell what impact Kab al Ahbar has on hadith and perhaps the truth you claim to uphold in hadith.



TenQ:
I can read you like a book without fail.

Talk is cheap sir!

Your insinuation was not about Al-Suyuti or Musnad Ahmad, Tabari but about hadiths in general.
Here was your post


Did you or did you not mention Bukhari?


Please answer my questions or have a good day.



However and on a serious note since you don't want to answer my previous questions. Can you please answer these five short questions?

1. Quote me just two hadiths narrated by Kab al Ahbar in Al-Bukhari and two from Al-Muslim?

2. What is the relationship of Kab al Ahbar to prophet Muhammad that warranted him being believed by collectors like Muslim and Bukhari?

3. What are the Evidences that Kab al Ahbar died as a Jew or Christian?

4. When was Kab al Ahbar born and when did he become a Muslim?

5. There had been thousands of Arab Muslims who were companions of your prophet, who related your hadiths. Yet just one or two Jewish converts to Islam (probably during the time of Abu Bakr) infiltrated Islam and out of almost 300,000 hadiths, they composed more than 90% of fake, Daif and half truth hadiths AND the other Muslims especially people like Bukhari, Muslim etc were oblivious of him?


Please number your response for each question you are responding to!
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 8:45am On Sep 18, 2023
TenQ:
You can't force me to say I know a person or persons who I've never even heard of their name. So, you can have it your way with whatever you think about me.


However and on a serious note since you don't want to answer my previous questions. Can you please answer these five short questions?

1. Quote me just two hadiths narrated by Kab al Ahbar in Al-Bukhari and two from Al-Muslim?

2. What is the relationship of Kab al Ahbar to prophet Muhammad that warranted him being believed by collectors like Muslim and Bukhari?

3. What are the Evidences that Kab al Ahbar died as a Jew or Christian?

4. When was Kab al Ahbar born and when did he become a Muslim?

5. There had been thousands of Arab Muslims who were companions of your prophet, who related your hadiths. Yet just one or two Jewish converts to Islam (probably during the time of Abu Bakr) infiltrated Islam and out of almost 300,000 hadiths, they composed more than 90% of fake, Daif and half truth hadiths AND the other Muslims especially people like Bukhari, Muslim etc were oblivious of him?


Please number your response for each question you are responding to!
That is not how this works. You cannot have me first answer to benchmark what you may or may not know. Hadith's collected in Bukhari and Muslim are not all that are classified as Sahih or are they?

You have quoted Imam Al-Suyuti and Musnad Ahmad as proof in your posts? Are you saying these are less reliable than Buhari and Muslim you have chosen?

You make bold to say 90% of hadith are fake? You limit this claim to 300,000 hadith when Bukhari alone collected 600,000 hadith. These are not adding up? What's going on?
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 6:47am On Sep 18, 2023
TenQ:
Me!?
Divert!?
Not possible!

1. You see me as the enemy of Allah and Islam, can so I ask:

You believe in the Destiny of Allah
1. Can you explain how Allah has destined me to do what I am doing on Nairaland?
2. If I am doing the will of Allah, the how do you come to accuse me of wrong/error?


2. You in avoiding my question, what gave criteria that makes you a Muslim, so I ask:

What makes you different from satan?
He also testifies and believe that there is no god but Allah.
Satan also know that there is heaven and hell,
He believes in his prophets and what they were sent with,
Satan know the angels that are not seen by humans, and totally believe the book he sent Muhammad pbuh with as he inspired a chunk of it: called the Quran.


What makes you different from satan?


3. Your argument is so lame. There had been thousands of Arab Muslims who were companions of your prophet, I who related your hadiths. Yet just one or two Jewish converts to Islam (probably during the time of Abu Bakr) infiltrated Islam and out of almost 300,000 hadiths, they composed more than 90% of fake, Daif and half truth hadiths AND the other Muslims especially people like Bukhari, Muslim etc were oblivious of him?

He even taught Abu Hurayra and Ibn Abbas!? Are these dummies?

Please find another excuse for your failures!
Oh! You know this much and are pretending?

Tell us more? Are you not going in similar fashion for those who are oblivious translating Quran out of context, mistranslating or double translating within a verse?

You say you know this much and fail to say? Is it not that you doubt what you know or still know too little? Is this all you can say in 24hrs?
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 11:51pm On Sep 17, 2023
Why are you trying to divert?
You know the companions (may Allah be pleased with them) of Muhammad pbuh?

You know Umar r.a? You know of his trip to Jerusalem but don't know he had a companion said to have predicted his death?

This same person vigorously supported Uthman r.a.

You feign ignorance and/or pretend you cannot do research?

If you cannot do this simple task how then did you arrive at the volume of information you claim to have against Islam, Muhammad pbuh and Allah?

I am not getting distracted from the subject of the thread by your bids to divert. Let's focus please. When this is addressed we can move on to your concerns. 😐
TenQ:
You did not answer my question sir
You believe in the Destiny of Allah
1. Can you explain how Allah has destined me to do what I am doing on Nairaland?
2. If I am doing the will of Allah, the how do you come to accuse me of wrong/error?



What makes you different from satan?
He also testifies and believe that there is no god but Allah.
Satan also know that there is heaven and hell,
He believes in his prophets and what they were sent with,
Satan know the angels that are not seen by humans, and totally believe the book he sent Muhammad pbuh with as he inspired a chunk of it: called the Quran.

What makes you different from satan?
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 9:52pm On Sep 17, 2023
TenQ:
I know Mohammed and follow what his companions wrote reported about him.

I think this is better put.
LOL!

The Hadiths are your religious books not mine. How you came about them is not my business. Your scholars even tried to filter off the lies and we are still left with much more things you Muslims are finding difficult to trust


You believe in the Destiny of Allah
1. Can you explain how Allah has destined me to do what I am doing on Nairaland?
2. If I am doing the will of Allah, the how do you come to accuse me of wrong/error?
I testify and believe that there is no god but Allah.
I believe in the unseen and see some of his signs, I believe in heaven and hell, his prophets and what they were sent with, angels that are not seen, and totally believe the book he sent Muhammad pbuh with. This is the Quran.
Christianity EtcRe: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 9:16pm On Sep 17, 2023
This video is more straight forward.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMjTIN2Ipxw?si=UVUQk_b9v98roLN8

FxMasterz:
Yeah. The videos further buttress my points.

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