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Christianity EtcRe: Mohammed, the Almighty Partner Of Allah! by Explore2xmore: 10:00pm On Sep 08, 2023
Sahih International: O our people, respond to the Messenger of Allah and believe in him; Allah will forgive for you your sins and protect you from a painful punishment. (Quran 46:31)


The translation of the Quran, the holy book of Islam, is a complex and challenging task, as it involves conveying the essence of the original Arabic text into a different language. Translators face a dilemma when it comes to literal vs meaning translations of Quran verses. Literal translations aim to preserve the exact wording and structure of the original text, while meaning translations focus on capturing the intent and message behind the verses.

Literal Quran translations may often deprive readers of a true comprehension of its meanings. The Quran is written in classical Arabic, a language that is rich in metaphorical and contextual meaning. Translating Arabic into other languages often leads to losing some of the nuances and complexities of the original text.
Literal translations reduce the multifaceted nature of Quranic verses to a simplistic and limited understanding.
Christianity EtcRe: Mohammed, the Almighty Partner Of Allah! by Explore2xmore:
You don't see السامرى and سمير are derived from the same root?

The root words of الْسَّامِريّ are س م ر. In Arabic, root words are the foundation or building blocks from which different words are derived. These root words carry a core meaning and are helpful in understanding the meaning and context of words.

The root word س م ر has multiple meanings, including "to become red" or "to be tanned." From this core meaning, various derivatives are formed. For example, سَمَرَتْ means "to make something red" or "to dye." سُمْرَة, on the other hand, refers to the color brown or dark.

When it comes to الْسَّامِريّ, the root word س م ر is combined with the prefix ال
Christianity EtcRe: Mohammed, the Almighty Partner Of Allah! by Explore2xmore: 6:49pm On Sep 08, 2023
Yahweh is a Hebrew name.
Muhammad pbuh and his audience in Arabia speak arabic; what use is the informing of names in other languages?

Al-Mutakabir is an exclusive name for Allah and any other bearing this is only arrogance.

Abdul-Mutakabir shows a submissive to Al-Mutakabir and Mutakabireen is only arrogance/arrogant.

Did the Pharoah not equate himself to God?
Christianity EtcRe: Mohammed, the Almighty Partner Of Allah! by Explore2xmore: 5:42pm On Sep 08, 2023
The name Yahweh is highly revered in various religious traditions, especially in the Hebrew Bible. In Judaism and Christianity, it is considered too holy for humans to utter, leading to the use of alternative names like Adonai or Lord. This reluctance stems from a deep sense of humility and reverence, acknowledging the difference between divine and human nature. Misuse or desecration of Yahweh is considered a grievous offense. Instead, religious traditions focus on living a life that reflects the attributes associated with the divine name, such as love, compassion, and justice.
Christianity EtcRe: Mohammed, the Almighty Partner Of Allah! by Explore2xmore: 5:37pm On Sep 07, 2023
FxMasterz:
What are you talking?

The name Samaritan has an Israeiite origin. When exactly did the name originate in Israel?

Christianity EtcRe: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 5:35pm On Sep 07, 2023
I don't recall any of those sentences stating that.

Your view is noted.

TenQ:
This mean that your translation is WRONG!

You can't change the meaning of a sentence just because it refers to God.

Sentence:
God killed the babies!

mean exactly that
You don't say the killed here mean saved because it refers to God.


Al-Mutakabbir mean The Arrogant irrespective of whom it applies to!
Christianity EtcRe: Mohammed, the Almighty Partner Of Allah! by Explore2xmore: 11:14am On Sep 07, 2023
As-Samiri also known as the entertainer, holds a significant place in the history of Middle Eastern entertainment. This ancient form of storytelling and performance art has been cherished for centuries. The role of ٱلسَّامِرِيُّ is to captivate audiences with his artistry, bringing joy and laughter to both young and old. Through his vivid storytelling, music, and dance, the Samiri takes audiences on an immersive cultural journey.


FxMasterz:
They twist their words aiming to help them correct their errors in hope that the hearer or reader would be dumb enough to accept their own updated version of the narrative. SMH. That's how legalwolf fought tooth and nail to find a Samaritan in the wilderness with Moses to no avail. He could nor answer simple questions but knows how to hurl the most vile insults on the persons telling him the truth.

Christianity EtcRe: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 2:30am On Sep 07, 2023
All these your sentences are in reference to human beings not Allah so it wouldn't take. When you use this name for all other than Allah it is negative.




TenQ:
To test your claim,
1. Here are 10 Arabic sentences (attached) for which you should replace the word Mutakabbir with either supremely great or perfection of greatness or even great or excellent
*****
*****
See the attached 10 Arabic sentences to which he you should substitute your re-definition of Mutakabbir so that we see if the sentence makes sense
*****

The Truth is apparent to you here: you are redefining words to suit your purpose different from normal usage

2. Is it true that In everyday non Religious Arabic usage, "Mutakabbir" (متكبر) is an adjective that describes someone who is arrogant, haughty, or filled with pride. It is not a positive term and is often used to criticize someone's behavior when they display excessive pride or a sense of superiority over others.
So, if in a normal, non-religious context, "Mutakabbir" refers to a person who exhibits arrogance or an inflated sense of self-importance it means that you Muslims are redefining words to mean different from what it normally is.


Summary :
I see that you want to invent a new meaning of either supremely great or perfection of greatness or even great or excellent for the normal use of the word "Mutakabbir" (متكبّر) , this is a fallacy and deceptive use of words sir.
Christianity EtcRe: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 1:42am On Sep 07, 2023
You obviously refuse to accept this -
هُوَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِي لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلۡمَلِكُ ٱلۡقُدُّوسُ ٱلسَّلَٰمُ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُ ٱلۡمُهَيۡمِنُ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡجَبَّارُ ٱلۡمُتَكَبِّرُ ۚ سُبۡحَٰنَ ٱللَّهِ عَمَّا يُشۡرِكُونَ
"He is Allah, other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him."
- simply because it clearly illustrates how the meaning of an arabic word is derived from its use and context of the sentence where it occurs.

Even if Mutakabireen is a plural term it is grammatically incorrect to say Al-Mutabireen.
This term does not actually exist in Arabic, and its usage is grammatically incorrect. The term itself seems to be a jumble of Arabic words, but when examined closely, it becomes apparent that it has no meaningful translation or context. Ungrammatical terms like Al-Mutabireen often arise due to a lack of understanding or knowledge of the Arabic language. Arabic, like any other language, has a set of grammatical rules that govern its structure and syntax.

In the Quran, one of the attributes of Allah is Al-Mutakabir, which means "The Supreme" or "The Majestic". This attribute emphasizes the greatness, grandeur, and superiority of Allah. It highlights the fact that Allah is the ultimate authority and that no one can ever compare or rival His power and knowledge. This name in the Quran, reminds believers of the ultimate majesty and sovereignty of their Creator.

In Islam, believers are encouraged to recognize and submit to the greatness of Allah as Al-Mutakabir. This means not only acknowledging His power and majesty, but also humbling oneself before Him. Muslims are taught to understand their place in the grand scheme of creation and to avoid arrogance and vanity. Only Allah is truly supreme, and all of creation is subservient to His will. The concept of Al-Mutakabir serves as a reminder for Muslims to remain humble and modest in their actions and interactions with others.
The Quran also mentions the "Mutakabireen", which refers to those who display arrogance and pride. This is viewed as a negative quality in Islam, as it goes against the principles of humility and submission to Allah. The Mutakabireen are depicted as individuals who believe they are superior to others, and they often take pride in their wealth, knowledge, or social status. Islam warns against such attitude and encourages believers to reject arrogance and to recognize that all blessings and successes come from Allah. Instead, Muslims are encouraged to cultivate a sense of gratitude and humility in all aspects of life.

Al-Mutakabir is an attribute of Allah that underscores His supreme power and majesty. It reminds Muslims of their place in front of their Creator and encourages them to remain humble and modest. Islam discourages arrogance and pride, promoting a sense of gratitude and humility instead. By recognizing and submitting to the greatness of Allah, believers strive to align themselves with the teachings of Islam and live a life of humility.
TenQ:
I asked you a question :



Is it UNTRUE that In Arabic that "Mutakabireen" (متكبرين) is the plural form of the word "Mutakabbir" (متكبر), which means "arrogant" or "proud."?


Sorry, I don't understand how Quran 59:23 has anything to do with this

Qur'an 59:23
هُوَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِى لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلْمَلِكُ ٱلْقُدُّوسُ ٱلسَّلَٰمُ ٱلْمُؤْمِنُ ٱلْمُهَيْمِنُ ٱلْعَزِيزُ ٱلْجَبَّارُ ٱلْمُتَكَبِّرُ ۚ سُبْحَٰنَ ٱللَّهِ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
Christianity EtcRe: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 9:46pm On Sep 04, 2023
Al-Mutakabir, an Arabic term, refers to Allah's greatness and perfection.It is not appropriate to assign a plural form to this term due to its uniqueness and incomparability. In Islamic theology, Allah is considered one and indivisible, making it inappropriate to assign plural forms. Instead, we can appreciate Allah's vastness and grandeur through various attributes and qualities conveyed in the Quran
Christianity EtcRe: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 9:40pm On Sep 04, 2023
Sentence context Mr not individual words.
These are the specifics of grammar in this language.
You submit that Q59:23 is not a correct translation of the meaning of the verse or will you rather reverse this into the other verses?

At last we will all know wouldn't we?

TenQ:
I don't know where you learnt your Arabic as your write up above is completely false and deceptive.
You submit that Al-Mutakabir has plural?

Let's test it out ,
1. Is it UNTRUE that In Arabic that "Mutakabireen" (متكبرين) is the plural form of the word "Mutakabbir" (متكبر), which means "arrogant" or "proud."?

The Arabic is written so that you can be sure that we are speaking about the same thing.


Mutakabireen refers to a group of people who are characterized by arrogance, pride, or a sense of superiority. This term is often used in the context of moral or behavioral descriptions.

Mutakabbir refer to a single person who is Arrogant. In the case of Allah, he is a single person Al-Mutakabbir!


I gave you an attachment of Arabic sentences in which singular forms Mutakabbir is used with respect to humans
Christianity EtcRe: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 8:32pm On Sep 04, 2023
I hope this gives you better understanding of the nuances in the interpretation and you see just the last verse where Allah is referred to.
Christianity EtcRe: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 8:27pm On Sep 04, 2023
TenQ:
Tell me, if Christians redefined an embarrassing word they didn't appreciate in the Bible and claim that Hebrew or Greek is spectacularly untranslatable and thus give it a different meaning , how would you feel? Would it make you respect us Christians?

It's just food for thought!

Have a beautiful night rest sir
قِيلَ ٱدۡخُلُوٓاْ أَبۡوَٰبَ جَهَنَّمَ خَٰلِدِينَ فِيهَا ۖ فَبِئۡسَ مَثۡوَى ٱلۡمُتَكَبِّرِينَ
"[To them] it will be said, "Enter the gates of Hell to abide eternally therein, and wretched is the residence of the arrogant.""
(Q39:72)


ٱلَّذِينَ يُجَٰدِلُونَ فِيٓ ءَايَٰتِ ٱللَّهِ بِغَيۡرِ سُلۡطَٰنٍ أَتَىٰهُمۡ ۖ كَبُرَ مَقۡتًا عِندَ ٱللَّهِ وَعِندَ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ يَطۡبَعُ ٱللَّهُ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ قَلۡبِ مُتَكَبِّرٍ جَبَّارٍ
"Those who dispute concerning the signs of Allah without an authority having come to them - great is hatred [of them] in the sight of Allah and in the sight of those who have believed. Thus does Allah seal over every heart [belonging to] an arrogant tyrant."
(Q40:35)

إِلَٰهُكُمۡ إِلَٰهٞ وَٰحِدٞ ۚ فَٱلَّذِينَ لَا يُؤۡمِنُونَ بِٱلۡأٓخِرَةِ قُلُوبُهُم مُّنكِرَةٞ وَهُم مُّسۡتَكۡبِرُونَ
"Your god is one God. But those who do not believe in the Hereafter - their hearts are disapproving, and they are arrogant."


هُوَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِي لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلۡمَلِكُ ٱلۡقُدُّوسُ ٱلسَّلَٰمُ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُ ٱلۡمُهَيۡمِنُ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡجَبَّارُ ٱلۡمُتَكَبِّرُ ۚ سُبۡحَٰنَ ٱللَّهِ عَمَّا يُشۡرِكُونَ
"He is Allah, other than whom there is no deity, the Sovereign, the Pure, the Perfection, the Bestower of Faith, the Overseer, the Exalted in Might, the Compeller, the Superior. Exalted is Allah above whatever they associate with Him."
(Q59:23)

Two terms frequently mentioned in the Quran that highlight this theme are "Mutakabireen" and "al Mutakabir". Although both words have a similar root and convey the concept of arrogance, they differ in their nuances and implications within the context of the Quran.
"Mutakabireen" refers to those who exhibit arrogance and pride, often in a way that denies the existence or superiority of God.
This term is used to condemn those who reject religious guidance and consider themselves above divine authority. The Quran portrays the "Mutakabireen" as unappreciative and ungrateful individuals who fail to acknowledge their dependency on God's blessings.

On the other hand, "al Mutakabir" refers to God Himself as the Supreme Being, the Ultimate in Magnificence and Supreme Greatness. In this context, the term highlights God's infinite power, wisdom, and authority. It emphasizes the belief that true greatness and majesty belong to God alone. The Quran uses this term to remind humanity of their position of subservience to God and the need to submit to His will.
Christianity EtcRe: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 5:43pm On Sep 04, 2023
You can run with whatever makes you feel better and helps you sleep at night.

Understand the context in the use of the word
Christianity EtcRe: Is Jesus God:the Quran Evidence by Explore2xmore: 3:46pm On Sep 04, 2023
The story of Prophet Isa (Jesus) performing miracles and creating a bird is a significant aspect of his life as mentioned in the Quran. However, it is important to note that these miracles do not make him Allah, but rather signify his unique position as a Prophet. Isa's miracles serve as evidence of his divine appointment and should be seen within the context of his role as a messenger of Allah. By creating a bird from clay, Isa demonstrated his exceptional power bestowed upon him by Allah, affirming his legitimacy as a Prophet and reinforcing the belief in Allah's unlimited ability.

As a Prophet, Isa had a mission to convey Allah's message to humanity. One of the ways in which he did this was through miracles. These miracles served as signs from Allah, allowing people to witness the extraordinary power bestowed upon His chosen messengers. The ability to create a bird from clay was one such miracle granted to Isa by Allah. This miraculous act was a clear demonstration of Allah's power and Isa's exceptional position as a Prophet. However, it is important to emphasize that these miracles were performed by Isa with the permission of Allah, and not through his own inherent divine nature.

It is crucial to distinguish between the position of a Prophet and the position of Allah. The miracles performed by Isa do not elevate him to the level of Allah, nor do they imply that he is divine. Rather, Isa's miracles should be understood as a manifestation of Allah's power and a testament to the authenticity of his Prophethood. It is through these miracles that Isa demonstrated his obedience and submission to Allah, constantly reminding his followers of the ultimate authority of Allah in the grand scheme of things. Thus, while Isa's miracles were extraordinary, they were performed by the permission and will of Allah, highlighting the fundamental belief in the oneness of Allah.
Christianity EtcRe: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 2:25pm On Sep 04, 2023
It's your hypocrisy I seek refuge in Allah from.

You stated distressing and benevolent in one of your comments.






Though I doubt you have the ability to understand being drunken in your opium of what the almighty's divinity should be

Christianity EtcRe: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 2:07pm On Sep 04, 2023
The best of people are those who speak only the truth even when joking.

اللهمّ أعذني من نفاقه
Christianity EtcRe: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 12:22pm On Sep 04, 2023
Arabic, known for its rich vocabulary, encompasses words that hold multiple layers of meaning within different contexts.
As a Semitic language, it employs root words that derive from three-letter patterns, which can be conjugated and modified to convey a wide range of concepts.
The context in which an Arabic word is used heavily influences its interpretation, allowing for various shades of meaning and nuances to be expressed. Thus, comprehending Arabic words requires a holistic approach that considers both their intrinsic definitions and the context in which they are employed.

Solely Allah is Al-Mutakabir used for any other is arrogance as non other than him is worthy of this position of greatness or supremacy.

وَلَهُ ٱلۡكِبۡرِيَآءُ فِي ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ ۖ وَهُوَ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡحَكِيمُ

هُوَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِي لَآ إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ٱلۡمَلِكُ ٱلۡقُدُّوسُ ٱلسَّلَٰمُ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُ ٱلۡمُهَيۡمِنُ ٱلۡعَزِيزُ ٱلۡجَبَّارُ ٱلۡمُتَكَبِّرُ ۚ سُبۡحَٰنَ ٱللَّهِ عَمَّا يُشۡرِكُونَ
TenQ:
Don't you see that I am using purely Islamic Qur'an interpretation like my friend Ohyoudidnt?

He said:

Instead of Mutakabbir meaning Arrogant

Are you saying that my interpretation doesn't make sense?
Doesn't
He is Superior to the tyrants among His servants who claim grandeur.
Christianity EtcRe: Why is Allah In Such A Deep Disguise? by Explore2xmore: 11:33am On Sep 04, 2023
Oh Really! Why do the scripture say distressing then,

TenQ:
Thanks for the complement!

However,
I just discovered that the distressing spirit in 1Sam16:14 sent by God to Saul is NOT actually a distressing spirit. It means a benevolent spirit that is sent by God to bless Saul.
LOL!

I believe this makes total sense to you.

Have a nice and beautiful day sir
Christianity EtcRe: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by Explore2xmore: 11:29am On Sep 04, 2023
The way you mislead people with your talk on grace implying they are not liable for their actions.

This is why I pointed out these verses to establish that the laws with regard to righteous conduct must be obeyed.

There's high risk of misunderstanding in the guise of not yet being under the control of the 'holy spirit'.

Individuals must for decide and determine to be upright then God will help. Just as the proverb that it's the child who raise his hands up seeking help that will be carried.

Submission and surrendering to the will of God while asking for the good yourself.

Allow Vanessa7 to grow in faith which is something that proceeds from God himself and no man can truly influence.

FxMasterz:
Yes, we do the works, not by power nor by might but by His Spirit. The Spirit of God does the works in us. "Therefore, there's no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. Romans 8:1-2.

'So, walk in the Spirit. Let the Spirit live out the life of God in you, and you shall not fulfil the deeds of the flesh.'


For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Philippians 2:13.

This is Grace.
Christianity EtcRe: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by Explore2xmore: 1:04am On Sep 04, 2023
Matthew 12:36-37
But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Romans 14:12
So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God

Ecclesiastes 11:9
Rejoice, young man, during your childhood, and let your heart be pleasant during the days of young manhood. And follow the impulses of your heart and the desires of your eyes. Yet know that God will bring you to judgment for all these things.

1 Corinthians 3:13
each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work.





FxMasterz:
Man, you don't understand what grace is, do you?

You can't understand grace until you know how sinful sin is.

If someone poos in a plate, what amount of washing would your 3 year old daughter give to the plate that would satisfy you? No matter how she washes it, I bet you'll never ever eat from that plate.

We are God's plates. God's vessels. We're like that 3 year old. Sin is the poo in our plate. No amount of personal washing we do can satisfy God. Our self righteousness and good works are in vain.

Grace means, God does the washing Himself to His own acceptable standard, and then empowers us by His Spirit to live according to His will. Not by our own might but by His Spirit. That's Grace - God working lthrough me to do what I'm unable to do; to live a life I'm unable to live.

You'll agree with me that you may eventually eat from the plate if you do the washing by yourself to your standard and taste. This is the whole concept of Grace. This is Christianity.

'For by Grace are we saved through faith. Not of works, lest anyone should boast.'

CC:

Vanessa7
Christianity EtcRe: TRINITY EXPLAINED. God And Man Are TRINITY-BEINGS. Bible Scriptures by Explore2xmore:
I am not a myth and definitely not a trinity.

Allah did not misinterprete the trinity unless you claim he defined trinity as you state. Simply as a monotheistic faith it states nothing to be co worshipped with him.
a) It debunks any claim of God bearing a Son through which you pray to him

b) It states that a claimed son is not equal to him and God cannot be born by his creation.

Even if you say Catholics are not Christians is this statement not from Pope John Paul 2?
Mary "is endowed with the high office and dignity of the Mother of the Son of God, and therefore she is also the beloved daughter of the Father and the temple of the Holy Spirit"


Specifically praising Jesus as God is making him co divine with God.
Calling Mary a mother of God is degrading.

Further blasphemy?

Hear, O Israel, Adonai Eloheinu Adonai is one. These three are one. How can the three Names be one? Only through the perception of faith; in the vision of the Holy Spirit, in the beholding of the hidden eye alone.…So it is with the mystery of the threefold Divine manifestations designated by Adonai Eloheinu Adonai—three modes which yet form one unity.

Emboldened is your belief?

You follow the assertions of the true mischief makers. Translate deceiver from English to arabic and compare this to where the claim of Allah being a deceiver exists.

Furthermore do say the early Christians up till the advance of Protestantism in the 16th century were misguided for 1500 years.

No trinitarian doctrine is explicitly taught in the Old Testament Sophisticated trinitarians grant this, holding that the doctrine was revealed by God only later, in New Testament times (c.50–c.100) and/or in the Patristic era (c. 100–800). They usually also add, though, that with hindsight, we can see that a number of texts either portray or forshadow the co-working of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Very simply put Greek philosophy laid the foundation for the concept of the trinity. Influenced by the philosophical ideas of Plato, Aristotle, and other prominent thinkers, early Christian theologians drew on these principles to develop the doctrine of the trinity.

MrPRevailer:
TRINITY is not a myth because you are not a myth.
To deny Trinity is to deny your entire existence or perhaps mere ignorance.

Don't forget that Allah
1) Misinterpreted Trinity by infering to it as God taking a wife to have a son.
2) erroneously claimed that Christian's Trinity is God the Father, the Son and Mary.
Even the most heretic Christians, Roman Catholics, JW, Mormons do not believe this.

1) Is definitely ignorance.
2) is either Ignorance or MISCHIEF. Nor hard for a god that calls himself the best of deceivers and kept Jews and Christians deceived for 600 years to believe Jesus was Crucified.
Christianity EtcRe: TRINITY EXPLAINED. God And Man Are TRINITY-BEINGS. Bible Scriptures by Explore2xmore: 6:01pm On Aug 18, 2023
Interesting arguments but it seems a little more confusion .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JasJSrWQuuk

God is not a baby?
God doesn't grow
God wasn't breastfed
God is not flesh
God is not man
God is not a Jew
God is not begotten

God is father
God is never son, God is in Son
God is holy spirit


Varied views oh
Problem

Finalizes with the phrase

TRINITARIAN MYTH MISS
Christianity EtcRe: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by Explore2xmore: 6:53pm On Aug 10, 2023
Christianity EtcRe: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by Explore2xmore:
1.Abu Ruwaym Ibn ʽAbd ar-Rahman Ibn Abi Naʽim al-Laythi better known as Nafiʽ al-Madani and His method of recitation via his two most famous students, Qalun and Warsh, is the most common Quran reading mode in North Africa, West Africa and Qatar.A large number of narrators became famous for his recitation, and among them are four of the narrators in the “Small Ten
2.Abdullah bin Kathir al-Makki, who is the second reciter of the seven. He read to Abdullah bin al-Sa’ib and his students Abdullah bin Abbas as Mujahid bin Jabr and others. He became famous through his narrators Ahmed Al-Bazi and Muhammad Qunbul.
3.Abu Amr bin Al-Alaa Al-Mazni Al-Basri, the imam of the people of Basra in reading and Arabic. Abu Muhammad Al-Yazidi took the reading from him, and narrated it from him. Abu Omar al-Douri and Abu Shuaib Al-Susi are famous for reading from him.
4.Abdullah bin Amer Al-Yahsabi, the imam of the people of the Levant. His narration is famous through the narrators Hisham bin Ammar and Abdullah bin Dhakwan
5. Asim bin Abi Al-Nujud Al-Kufi, the imam of the people of Kufa, read to Abi Abd Al-Rahman Abdullah bin Habib Al-Salami from the Tabi’een ,Shu'bah bin Ayyash and Hafs bin Suleiman relate from him
6.Hamza bin Habib al-Zayyat, the imam of the people of Kufa after Asim. He read to Hamran bin Ain and Suleiman bin Mahran al-Amash. His two famous narrators are Khalaf bin Hisham Al-Baghdadi and Khallad bin Khalid
7.Abu Al-Hassan Ali bin Hamza Al-Kisa’i Al-Asadi, the imam of the people of Kufa after Asim and Hamza Abu Omar al-Douri advanced. Abu al-Harith al-Laith ibn Khalid

Completing the 10 readings collected by some of the imams and are added to the 7 canonical stated above are:
8 The reading of Abi Jaafar Yazid and his two narrators are:
1. Suleiman bin Muslim bin
Jammaz
2. Issa bin Wardan,
9 The reading of Yaqoub bin Ishaq
Al-Hadrami who has two
narrators:
Muhammad ibn al-Mutawakkil, known as Royce and Rawh bin Abd al-Mumin al-Hudhali
10. Khalaf bin Hisham Al-Baghdadi is called Khalaf the Tenth, in order to distinguish his narration from the aforementioned Hamza from his chosen reading, which is the completion of the ten readings. Two narrators of him are Ishaq bin Ibrahim Al-Warraq and Idris Al-Haddad.


The last three primarily used in tafsir.

Imagine picking narrators as separate recitation.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by Explore2xmore: 6:27pm On Aug 10, 2023
May Allah reward you. As I was advised it is often fruitless with a lot of these guys. It really is a period of dajullun.

They think the recitations differ in core message picking single word variations here and there and exclusively reading without going with the entire verse

They don't know or in a bid to deceive think the ummah is unaware of the 10 recitations.



Ohyoudidnt:
Does your sharing of videos that point at wrong titling justifies your falsehoods?

Don't these Mushafs include the style and transmitters?

Are what you labelled as Ibn 'Amir an Shaybah and Hisham an Ibn 'Amir different from Hafs ibn Asim?

Is this too different from Yaqub an Nafi'?

What is different between Khalaf an Hamzah,
Khallad an Hamzah?

Look picking names of transmitters instead of their reading doesn't amount to different Quran.

Why weren't these different books opened by Jay Smith to show differences in their verses?
Christianity EtcRe: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by Explore2xmore: 2:53am On Aug 07, 2023
It's your book and should first apply to you. Why did you give an arabic name when that isn't how you and your book recognise him.

It's been a lengthy waste of time; glad you now know some truths though you will not accept.

Bye


TenQ:
It wasn't my advice sir. It was the advice of the Suleiman


.Pro 14:12:
"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end only leads to death."

Christianity EtcRe: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by Explore2xmore: 11:42pm On Aug 06, 2023
Hope you have taken your own advice before giving it out

TenQ:
There is a way that looks RIGHT to a man but the end is destruction!

I still appreciate you my guy. Have a good night rest and I wish you the best in life and in eternity!

Shalom!
Christianity EtcRe: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by Explore2xmore: 11:01pm On Aug 06, 2023
Your conviction. Stand for yourself and get off the Superman saving fable. You ain't living make belief
TenQ:
There is not one single Religion in this whole world that saves sir.

Only the Messiah saves and I from my heart invite you to ask God about Him and be saved.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by Explore2xmore: 10:50pm On Aug 06, 2023
Seems you have deep issues staying on a subject. Were you not referring to a verse on clouds, rain and hail?
Either way it's my religion. Mind yours!

TenQ:
Qur'an s it not true according to your religion that shooting stars are missiles thrown at the Jinn for eavesdropping the words of Allah in Heaven?


Shooting stars are massively big physical structures, shaitan (non physical being) and the Jinn is so small that shaitan can urinate in the noses of Muslims : does this not sound like a myth to you?

If it is not a myth, is it REAL occurence?
Christianity EtcRe: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by Explore2xmore: 3:45pm On Aug 06, 2023
Never heard.
What village or tribe has this myth? Yours?

Break it down.
Christianity EtcRe: Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad? by Explore2xmore: 2:22pm On Aug 06, 2023
Some clouds contain hail.


Have you not seen that God drives the clouds, then joins them together and puts them fold on fold. Then you see the rain fall through them; and He sends down hail from the sky where there are mountains of it, and strikes those with it whom He will, and wards it off from whomsoever He please. His lightning could snatch away their eyes.

TenQ:
Just respond to the question and everything will be clear

Does the clouds contain hail according to the words of Allah ?

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