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Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus: The Way, The Truth And The Life by Explore2xmore: 1:09pm On Sep 24, 2023
Al-Makir is not a name of Allah.
You aren't really asking questions and it appears to me you seek extraneous reasons to comfort the inadequacy of the faith you profess.

Did the angels not adopt the likeness of man in appearing to prophets of old? Did they dine with the prophets as mortals? You sure cannot differentiate between what is and what looks like.

I imagine $100,000.00 will do you some good. Why don't you answer Reno Omokri's poser?

Mr Hadith, we have had discussions on the non absolute of these.

Explain your biblical God deceiving.

Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, “Ah, Lord God! Surely You have utterly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, ‘You will have peace’; whereas a sword touches the throat

1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and the Lord has proclaimed disaster against you

Does the video lie about Christianity syncretising pagan trinity beliefs?

Is Makir not the grandson of Joseph in your bible?

TenQ:
Yes sir.
A Man can bare to see an Angel and this is common with the prophets of Israel.
This is why they always say "Fear Not!" or " Don't be afraid!" when they appear to a mortal.

Did not the hadith say Mohammed saw Jibril in his true form at least twice?
Did he die after?

So, the question is still basic:
When Jibril appeared to Mary as a "perfect man", did he stop being an angel?


I did not translate فَتَمَثَّلَ لَهَا .
I used the translation of both Pickthall and Yusuf Ali



Why don't you answer my questions?
1. It seems you don't understand that
God can kill without him being a killer!
God can Destroy without being a Destroyer!
God can imprison without being a Jailer!

Herein the Difference!
Allah is the Deceiver (Al-Makir)


I asked you a number of questions, please why not respond to them?
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus: The Way, The Truth And The Life by Explore2xmore: 12:20pm On Sep 24, 2023
Unfortunately for you word translators and wrong translations how else will Jibril appear to Mary? Can Man bare an angel appearing in it's created form?

Also do you translate فَتَمَثَّلَ لَهَا as perfect man?

You didn't address the biblical verse of God who deceives in your bible. And signed of with the abbreviation for Lucifer o.. l...?
TenQ:
Can you prove that I worship Three Gods?
Even Allah seem to be confused about what the doctrine Trinity means
1. Is Jesus the third of God, The Quran Mary and Himself?
2. Is Allah the Messiah?
What is your reason for every Christian worship just one God.



This is very untrue?
Even Allah compared himself with Baal: true or false?
Mohammed compared Allah with the Dajjal: true or false
Mohammed even compared Allah to a young man in green clothing's and black hair: is this true or false.

It's a mere rhetoric to say Allah is not comparable to anything!


The question you've not been able to answer sir. Why?
When Jubril became a perfect man, I did he stop being an angel!?

It is a simple question to which only one Muslim has been able to speak truthfully on it : the rest of you dodge answering!

I am not comparing Allah with any Angel: I am flexing your understanding of Trinity or Duality as you refuse to even understand what is written in your own books.

Are you saying categorically that it is impossible for God to enter into his Creation?
TenQ:
Which if the two websites are fake?

I can get you more! LOL!!

Is it untrue that Al-Makir is the name of Allah?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bThWd1HgnTY?si=H03xfLLS_Ds--F9c
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus: The Way, The Truth And The Life by Explore2xmore: 10:48am On Sep 24, 2023
What does your Bible verse say? Have you addressed it?

The website you quote is definitely an oddity. Which other sources say Allah has this name amongst the 99?
TenQ:
Al-Makir is one of the names of Allah sir.

1. From your Quran
Qur'an 3:54
Arabic: ومكروا ومكر الله والله خير الماكرين
Literal: And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.

Qur'an 7:99
Arabic: افامنوا مكر الله فلايامن مكر الله الا القوم الخاسرون
Literal: Did they secure God's scheme/deceit? So no(one) trusts God's scheme/deceit except the nation the losers.

Qur'an 8:30
Arabic: واذ يمكر بك الذين كفروا ليثبتوك او يقتلوك او يخرجوك ويمكرون ويمكر الله والله خير الماكرين
Literal: And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive , and God deceives/schemes and God (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers.


2. From Islamic websites
https://www.letsstartthinking.org/Islam/names-and-attributes-of-Allah-by-category.php

https://www.islamicity.org/covers/99-names-of-allah/


Did you see Al-Makir as one of the 99 beautiful names of Allah?
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus: The Way, The Truth And The Life by Explore2xmore: 11:44pm On Sep 23, 2023
Jeremush 4:9 And it shall come to pass at that day, saith the Lord, that the heart of the king shall perish, and the heart of the princes; and the priests shall be astonished, and the prophets shall wonder.

Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, “Ah, Lord God! Surely You have utterly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, ‘You will have peace’; whereas a sword touches the throat

1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and the Lord has proclaimed disaster against you

TenQ:
When Muslim say that Allah is
"Al-Makir" = The Deceiver
and Allah is
"Al-Mutakabbir" = The Arrogant

What else do you expect?
Makir is not recognised as a name of Allah.

Al-Mutakabir is exclusive for Allah as exclusively supreme any other who bares Mutakabir is arrogant to Allah
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus: The Way, The Truth And The Life by Explore2xmore: 11:35pm On Sep 23, 2023
46:13 Surely those who say, Our Lord is Allah, and then remain steadfast—there will be no fear for them, nor will they grieve

46:14 It is they who will be the residents of Paradise, staying there forever, as a reward for what they used to do.


Surely! Surely!Surely!
Go and preach to the totally Godless. You should have more success there or the Christians among you that backslide or grow weak in faith.
TenQ:
Unfortunately,
All these is meaningless because it gives you no guarantee of paradise.

According to your religion, so your all Babies are born as Muslims before their parent mislead them away from Islam.


Sahih Muslim (6435 )
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, reported that a child died and I said: There is happiness for this child who is a bird from amongst the birds of Paradise. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Don't you know that Allah created the Paradise and He created the Hell and He created the dwellers for this (Paradise) and the denizens for this (Hell)?


1. Is this hadith untrue?
2. If Muslim babies may go to hell, can you justify why you shouldn't be among the inmate of hell?

Qur'an 46:9
Say: I am no new thing among the messengers (of Allah), nor know I what will be done with me or with you. I do but follow that which is inspired in me, and I am but a plain warner.



Mr Explore2xmore,
You are gambling with your eternity sir. Pause to think and ask questions!
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus: The Way, The Truth And The Life by Explore2xmore: 9:59pm On Sep 23, 2023
TenQ:
Compare with
Qur'an 46:9
Say: I am no new thing among the messengers (of Allah), nor know I what will be done with me or with you. I do but follow that which is inspired in me, and I am but a plain warner.




[s]Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise[/s]
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46:10 Ask ˹them, O Prophet˺, “Consider if this ˹Quran˺ is ˹truly˺ from Allah and you deny it, and a witness from the Children of Israel attests to it and then believes, whereas you act arrogantly. Surely Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.”

46:11 The disbelievers say of the believers, Had it been ˹something˺ good, they would not have beaten us to it.Now since they reject its guidance, they will say, This is˺ an ancient fabrication.

46:12 And before this Quran the Book of Moses was revealed as a guide and mercy. And this Book is a confirmation, in the Arabic tongue, to warn those who do wrong, and as good news to those who do good.

46:13 Surely those who say, Our Lord is Allah, and then remain steadfast—there will be no fear for them, nor will they grieve

46:14 It is they who will be the residents of Paradise, staying there forever, as a reward for what they used to do.
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 9:31pm On Sep 23, 2023
Deuteronomy 20
10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you


Deuteronomy 21
10 When you go to war against your enemies and the Lord your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives,
11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her you may take her as your wife.
12 Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails 13 and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife.

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 9:26pm On Sep 23, 2023
FxMasterz:
No, he didn't confirm anything that came before him. Rather he denied them.

All the prophets that came before him prophesied of a Messaih who would be born from David's lineage, and who would be the Saviour of the world.

The Saviour came. He Performed his duties. He Fulfilled all the prophesies. Mohammed came to deny it all. I don't have any reason to believe in such a person. He does not carry a single mark of Prophethood. He told so many lies and distorted so much histories. His character was nothing to write home about.

There's no single prophet before him who killed people in order to force them to believe in his God.

Would you now show me how Mohammed and the said angel that visited him were verified?
I wouldn't go through with this discussion. There are false fixations on how people accepted Islam. We also do not agree on what messiah from the jewish tradition says.

The messiah is based on doctrine concerning the ultimate or final things is one anointed with holy anointing oil, to be king of God's kingdom, and rule the Jewish people..All of humanity is not jewish. Alternatively the messiah is one who is ordained by God to lead the people of Israel.

Nevertheless, the stories of creation, Adam, Noah, Abraham, Joseph, Moses peace of God be on them all are related in the Quran.

Some prophets as leaders had some battles which may and may not be directly related to religion. David before becoming king participated in a battle and slew Goliath. David and Solomon as kings engaged in some form of battles. This is amongst what was confirmed in the Quran of what came before.
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 12:53pm On Sep 23, 2023
FxMasterz:
You've not told me how Mohammed and the angel that visited him were verified.
FxMasterz:
Now, tell me how Mohammed's encounter with angel Gabriel was verified.
I had assumed you were jesting as you tend not to believe in Allah, Muhammad s.a.w or the Qu'ran.
Q2:97
Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Whoever is an enemy of Gabriel should know that he revealed this ˹Quran˺ to your heart by Allah’s Will, confirming what came before it—a guide and good news for the believers.

I was offline till now.
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 8:47am On Sep 23, 2023
Never mind. It was to clarify since you wrote:
FxMasterz:
Christianity is not a religion of physical things. It is spiritual. Anytime you take a step of faith to invite Jesus into your life, He would manifest Himself to you.
FxMasterz:
A resurrected Jesus said so. He demonstrated in those passages that He resurrected with His physical body. If He didn't present His physical body, then He didn't resurrect. I spoke of a ressurected Jesus. Not a spiritual Jesus. However, the resurrected Jesus can operate spiritually because He is God in His Spirit but man in His body.
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 8:21am On Sep 23, 2023
Interesting though, did a spiritual Jesus say:
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have

41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, Do you have anything here to eat? 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence.

FxMasterz:
Christianity is not a religion of physical things. It is spiritual. Anytime you take a step of faith to invite Jesus into your life, He would manifest Himself to you.
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 7:01pm On Sep 22, 2023
I updated my previous post.
A resurrected Jesus is not physically visible to many people by my understanding. Outside dining with the 11( I believe) apostles.
FxMasterz:
The resurrected Jesus is who we Christians worship.

The resurrected Jesus is the One whom Thomas called "My Lord and my God", not the physical Jesus. That's where Islam misses it. An encounter with the physical Jesus without the resurrected Jesus cannot make you a Christian. The physical Jesus lived only 33yrs. The resurrected Jesus lives forever, and is alive today. He is the One whom Paul met. He is the one all Christians meet. He is the One who returns to reign.

Now, tell me how Mohammed's encounter with angel Gabriel was verified.
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 6:46pm On Sep 22, 2023
I was hoping you will share where Jesus appeared to 12 apostles and Paul or 11 since Judas is reported to have killed himself.


Ananias too is a later apostle of Jesus not mentioned amongst the original 12.

Remember too Peter or Cephas had denied Jesus thrice before in fear of the authorities I think. Paul or Saul is someone who was associated with the authorities in some way though a persecutor of Christians.

FxMasterz:
Please patiently read through. Also understand that Paul's real name was Saul. His name was changed to Paul sometimes after he became a Christian.

See, in Christianity, we're commanded to try all spirits. Except you're ignorant, it's very difficult for anyone to deceive Spirit-filled Christians. We're given the Holy Spirit who gives us discernment. If Paul lied, he'll be bursted. Elymas the soccerer couldn't succeed even though he tried all he could to make himself look like a Christian. Verification usually takes place before acceptance. Then, the Holy Spirit confirms that person. For Paul, this was how it happened:

After his encounter with Jesus, he was blinded and led by the hands into Damascus. Then, the Lord Jesus Himself spoke to one of the disciples in Damascus about Paul as seen below:

Acts 9:10-19

" 10 In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, “Ananias!”

“Yes, Lord,” he answered.

11 The Lord told him, “Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. 12 In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight.”

13 “Lord,” Ananias answered, “I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your holy people in Jerusalem. 14 And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name.”

15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”

17 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said
“Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength.

Please, take note of the words in Italics. Paul wasn't the one who went about telling Christians about his encounter.

And, that wasn't even enough. Paul was rejected when he attempted to join the disciples in Jerusalem on his return from Damascus."


Then in Acts 9:26:

"When he came to Jerusalem, he tried repeatedly to associate with the disciples; and yet they were all afraid of him, as they did not believe that he was a disciple.'

It took the efforts of Barnabas, one of the top disciples to interrogate Paul and afterwards present him as a true disciple to those in Jerusalem. Upon verification of his Damascus encounter, the testimonies of the disciples in Damascus, the confirmation of Ananias and the recommendation of Barnabas, he was accepted under probation before he was later commissioned by the Holy Ghost to preach. He didn't push himself forward. A word of prophesy commissioned him and Barnabas to preach in Acts 13:2.

Before he was commissioned to preach, he was further verified. He himself submitted himself for further verification. It was a serious grilling. You can read the whole account in Galatians 2. Paul stated the results of the grilling in Galatians 2:9:

"James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised."

Note that the person called Cephas here is Peter.

Now, tell us how Mohammed's encounter with the said angel Gabriel was verified.
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 4:58pm On Sep 21, 2023
TenQ:
What is the difference between
مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مهر?

corrected!

Questions :
1. What is the difference between
أُجُورَهُنَّ and مهر?


2. What is مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ ?

[[/b]
Decided against elucidating?
Don't live it hanging. I don't know. Do tell
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 2:35pm On Sep 21, 2023
Rabi' b. Saburah reported on the authority of his father:
The Messenger of Allah (saws) prohibited temporary marriage with women.
Sunan Abi Dawud 2073
Book 12, Hadith 28

Narrated 'Ali (RA):
Allah's Messenger (SAW) forbade Mut'a ( temporary marriage) in the year of Khaibar.
Muslim book 8, Hadith 34


Sahih Muslim 1406 h
Rabi' b. Sabra reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle (may peace be
upon him) prohibited the contracting of temporary marriage.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4216
Narrated Àli bin Abi Talib:
On the day of Khaibar, Allah's Apostle forbade the Mut'a (i.e. temporary marriage) and the eating of donkey-meat.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4216
Sunan Ibn Majah 1961
It was narrated from 'Ali bin Abu Talib that:
The Messenger of Allah forbade on the Day of Khaibar, the temporary marriage of women and (he forbade) the flesh of domestic donkeys.

Mishkat al-Masabih 3147
‘Ali said that at the battle for Khaibar God’s Messenger forbade the temporary marriage
(mut’a) of women, and eating the flesh of domestic asses. (Bukhari and Muslim)


By Allah, If I hear of any married person entering a temporary marriage, I will stone him to death, unless he can bring me four witnesses who will testify that the Messenger of Allah, allowed it after he forbade it'."

Sahih Muslim 1224 c
Abu Dharr (Allah be pleased with him) said:
Two are the Mut'as which were not permissible but only for us, i. e. temporary marriage
with women and Tamattu' in Hajj.

Sahih Muslim 1407 a
'Ali b. AbiTalib reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) prohibited on the
Day of Khaibar the contracting of temporary marriage with women
and the eating of the flesh of domestic asses.

Sahih Muslim 1407 c
Muhammad b. 'Ali narrated on the authority of his father 'Ali that Allah's Apostle (may
peace be upon him) on the Day of Khaibar prohibited forever the contracting of temporary
marriage and eating of the flesh of the domestic asses.


TenQ:
He says Qur'an 4:24 is not about Temporary marriage contrary to the statements in black and white narrative from two hadiths by Muslim 1404a and Bukhari 5075
FxMasterz:
It's not him. Actually, he doesn't know what he's doing himself. He's under the influence of the spirit of Islam.
Fxmasterz
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 1:34pm On Sep 21, 2023
Must have missed this cause the mentions were quite a number.
1. The moulding and breathing into man was explicitly mentioned. If this was the case with other animals it would have been stated.
Does your Bible say God breath into the animals? Perhaps if it did there would be some more to discuss.

2. In the Quran Allah says he will create an authority on earth. ˹Remember˺ when your Lord said to the angels, “I am going to place a successive ˹human˺ authority on earth.” They asked ˹Allah˺, “Will You place in it someone who will spread corruption there and shed blood while we glorify Your praises and proclaim Your holiness?” Allah responded, “I know what you do not know.”Q2:30.
The other created animals are not authority. Man was created as an authority on earth.
Other translations has this as And when your Lord said to the angels, “Verily I am going to make in the earth a vicegerent
Meaning of vicegerent are:
A person appointed by a ruler or head of state to act as an administrative deputy.
An officer deputed by a superior or by proper authority to exercise the powers of the higher authority; one having a delegated power; a deputy; a vicar.
An officer who is deputed by a superior, or by proper authority, to exercise the powers of another; a lieutenant; a vicar.
This is the status of the creation of man. Don't you ponder how we control the affairs of much larger animals? And the plants and earth?

3. Allah did not say he moulded birds with clay. Why are you forcing this argument.

And Allah has created from water every living creature. Some of them crawl on their bellies, some walk on two legs, and some walk on four. Allah creates whatever He wills. Surely Allah is Most Capable of everything.
Q24:45

Allah would have included man explicitly here but with respect to man He began the creation of human beings with clay note he doesn't say water.
Isa a.s moulded the form of a bird from clay not starting with water as Allah to whom non can be compared that created from water.

Do you understand what the similitude refers too?

Do you refuse to see: And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour upon you and your mother: how I supported you with the holy spirit1 so you spoke to people in ˹your˺ infancy and adulthood. How I taught you writing, wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel. How you moulded a bird from clay—by My Will—and breathed into it and it became a ˹real˺ bird—by My Will. How you healed the blind and the lepers—by My Will. How you brought the dead to life—by My Will.

What does by my will tell you?
This will enabled Abraham pbuh kill and disect birds that came to life and answered his call.

Allah needs no co-creator and is the sole creator.
He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and who has not taken a son and has not had a partner in dominion and has created each thing and determined it with [precise] determination Q25:2

Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is, over all things, Disposer of affairs.Q39:62

Do we now promote the prophets and messangers of God to the position of God for the signs he gave them to convince people of the divinity?

We should watch the reverance of those sent so as not to earn the wrath of the one who sends and has power over all.
TenQ:
1. There is no verse that says explicitly that Allah did not breathe into the animals as animals were collectively grouped without any specifics
2. Man is the highest of God's creation and Allah specifically said he breathe into Adam after moulding him with mud or clay.
3. Jesus did exactly what Allah did
a. He moulded with clay
b. He breathe into the clay
c. The clay came to life and animals.

Are you aware that the challenge of Allah was about something as small as a fly and not Man nor Jinn?
Quran 22:73
"O mankind! A similitude has been coined, so listen to it (carefully): verily! Those on whom you call besides Allah cannot create (even) a fly, even though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly snatched away a thing from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought."


Are you saying Allah is wrong and you are correct on this?


1. Do you agree that Jesus is at least a co-creator with Allah?
2. Do you know any other human with this ability to create life?


probably the descendants of the bird created by Jesus is still alive right now.
LOL!


I doesn't dawn on you that Jesus did
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 12:40pm On Sep 21, 2023
Would you say there was no understanding of this verse before transmitted hadith were written down and gathered in the 8th and 9th centuries; more than 100 years after the prophet's s.a.w death?
TenQ:
He says Qur'an 4:24 is not about Temporary marriage contrary to the statements in black and white narrative from two hadiths by Muslim 1404a and Bukhari 5075
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 11:35am On Sep 21, 2023
School me on how the apostles verified this please? I really want to understand.
FxMasterz:
Paul's meeting of Jesus was first verified by the disciples of Jesus before he was finally accepted into the fold! Who verified the meeting of Mohammed with the said angel Gabriel? I really want an answer to this question.

Also, your Quran and your hadith are your holy books. Do you now want to deny your hadith because they're not the sayings of Allah and Mohammed? Are your hadith now filthy books?

Thirdly, keep your pbuh to yourself while referring to Christ. He is the Prince of Peace. He needs no such prayers. Mohammed needs such prayers as his fate was actually uncertain to him. He was even afraid to face death. Unfortunately for him, prayers don't work for the dead. Once you die, your fate is sealed.
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 11:31am On Sep 21, 2023
TenQ:
Here is Bukhari 2155
Sahih al-Bukhari 2155
Narrated `Aisha:
Allah's Messenger came to me and I told him about the slave-girl (Barirah) Allah's Messenger said, "Buy and manumit her, for the Wala is for the one who manumits." In the evening the Prophet got up and glorified Allah as He deserved and then said, "Why do some people impose conditions which are not present in Allah's Book (Laws)? Whoever imposes such a condition as is not in Allah's Laws, then that condition is invalid even if he imposes one hundred conditions, for Allah's conditions are more binding and reliable."


So, why aren't you obeying Allah's commands?


Then why do you disregard the command of Allah in Qur'an 4:24 knowing that you should not prohibit the good things which Allah has made lawful to you according to Qur'an 5:87.

Here are laws you impose which are not present in Allah's book
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 62, Hadith 52:
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 13 =Sahih al-Bukhari 5075:
Narrated by Abdullah bin Mas'ud: "We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, 'Shall we get ourselves castrated?' He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry a woman temporarily by giving her even a garment, and then he recited to us: 'O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you.'"

Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Hadith 3243:
Narrated by Abdullah: "We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of dates or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) and during the time of Abu Bakr until Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr bin Huraith."
Highlighted is Buhari 2155 what does it mean?
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 11:29am On Sep 21, 2023
You didn't answer on Kab al abhar and I have answered, why not answer yourself?
TenQ:
He refused to answer my questions.

He has denied his hadiths now and want to turn himself into Qur'an only Muslim!
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 11:27am On Sep 21, 2023
The Islam you quote is your definition of Islam from hadith not the Quran.

TenQ:
It is impossible for you to speak the truth with respect to your religion.


Volume 7, Book 62, Number 13 :
Narrated by 'Abdullah
We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, "Shall we get ourselves castrated?" He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry women with a temporary contract and recited to us: 'O you who believe ! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, but commit no transgression.' (5.87)


This also found in

Sahih Muslim 1404a
Abdullah (b. Mas’ud) reported: We were on an expedition with Allah’s Messenger and we had no women with us. We said: Should we not have ourselves castrated? He (the Holy Prophet) forbade us to do so He then granted us permission that we should contract temporary marriage for a stipulated period giving her a garment, and ‘Abdullah then recited this verse: ‘Those who believe do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, and do not transgress. Allah does not like trangressers”

You are not a Qur'an only Muslim yet you don't explain the Qur'an with the hadith. I So, non of why reference the hadiths in the first place?

Did you see ANYTHING like Contract of Temporary Marriage in the two Sahih Hadiths?
This Mutah was Authorised By Allah and his prophet! Your prophet banned it then allowed it then banned it then allowed it And till he died, Mutah was still in practice till the second Khalif finally banned it.



All you have shown me is the unreliability of your hadiths narrated by Muslims, guess what compiled by Muslims and used by Muslims. How then can we trust anything from the mouth of Muslims.

You don't even trust yourselves to speak the truth! SMH!


FINALLY
On the title of your Original Post:

KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith -
1. This is completely untrue. Is it possible to follow a person you don't even know?
2. I did not know ANYTHING about Kab al-Ahbar till you opened this your thread
3. You could not even show that any significant number of Hadiths relative to your available hadiths are by Kab al-Ahbar
4. Kab al-Ahbar was a Jew who converted to Islam and DIED as a Muslim




Please let's call it a day!
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 9:08am On Sep 21, 2023
You are too anxious!
I have answered you in my post before this.
Okay let me part answer your updated question, which verse of the Quran has مهر in it?

TenQ:
There are four questions I posted : are you saying that the perfect answer for a question is to ask the questioner the same questions?

My Basis
1. Question 1
The Qur'an 4:24 used the word أُجُورَهُنَّ rather than مهر.
So, I asked you the question:
What is the difference between
أُجُورَهُنَّ and مهر?


2. The Qur'an 4:24 used the word مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ
So, I asked the question
What is مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ ?

The other two questions are straight forward
3. Is it untrue that Qur'an 5:87 is related to Sahih al-Bukhari 5075, Muslim 1404a and subsequently Tafsir by Ibn ‘Abbâs and Ibn Kathir on Qur'an 4:24?

4. Is hadith by Bukhari 5075 and Muslim 1404a Sahih or Daif or Maudu?
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 9:05am On Sep 21, 2023
No temporary marriage in Islam. All you have of it is from the Jahiliyah period and maybe early Islam.
I am not very clear on reports that some people try to validate this claim and we know there are such contractual marriages in society. Do such contract societal marriage carry the name Mutah?

What break dance? I have further educated you about the non reliability of hadith even the ones with the classification of authentic or Sahih. These often rely on the chain of narration and don't bother as much with the content of the hadith.

You that asked the question in arabic should answer. I will love to show you something and probably learn from you.

It is against my belief to explain Quran based on hadith. There will be numerous hadith which are more of people's opinions on the Quran. Sahih, Hassan, Daif or Maudu are irrelevant as these are opinions and you have seen these collections having contrary hadith so tell me what then is the use?

TenQ:
Is marrying with a temporary contract not a kind of Islamic Marriage?
Is this not what is called Mutah?

If you had answered my questions, you would not be doing break-dance about the thread.


Questions :
1. What is the difference between
أُجُورَهُنَّ and مهر?

2. What is مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ ?

3. Is it untrue that Qur'an 5:87 is related to Sahih al-Bukhari 5075, Muslim 1404a and subsequently Tafsir by Ibn ‘Abbâs and Ibn Kathir on Qur'an 4:24?

4. Is hadith by Bukhari 5075 and Muslim 1404a Sahih or Daif or Maudu?
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 8:55am On Sep 21, 2023
As earlier informed.

Abū Isḥāq Kaʿb ibn Maniʿ, also known as Kaʿb al-Aḥbār, was a Jewish convert to Islam who lived in the first century of Islamic history. He played a significant role in the formation of Islamic traditions through the collation of hadith.

His desire to establish his authority and gain influence among the early Muslim community cannot be overlooked. As a convert from Judaism, he sought to establish his credibility and position within the Islamic tradition. By fabricating hadith that were attributed to the Prophet Muhammad, he positioned himself as an important source of knowledge and guidance

Being well-versed in Jewish scripture and traditions, he sought to incorporate elements of Jewish religious teachings into the Islamic narrative. By fabricating hadith that supported Jewish beliefs or linked them with Islamic practices, Abū Isḥāq Kaʿb ibn Maniʿ aimed to consolidate the cultural and religious dimensions of the Muslim community. You may be familiar with the term Israliyat or Israeli stories.

It is essential to recognize that not all of Abū Isḥāq Kaʿb ibn Maniʿ's contributions were negative or unfounded. Some of the fabricated hadith attributed to him contain historical or moral lessons that align with Islamic values.

Yahya related to me from Malik from Zayd ibn Aslam from Ata ibn Yasar that Kab al-Ahbar said, "If the person who passed in front of a man praying knew what he was bringing on himself, it would be better for him to sink into the ground than to pass in front of him.
Al Muwatta Book 9, Hadith 38

Yahya related to me from Malik from his paternal uncle, Abu Suhayl ibn Malik from his father that Kab al-Ahbar said, "If you want to know what a slave has with his Lord, then look at whatever good praise follows him.
Al Muwatta Book 47, Hadith 1640

Amr b. Abu Sufyan reported:
Abu Huraira said to Ka'b al-Ahbar that the Messenger of Allah pbuh had said: For every apostle there Is a (special) prayer by which he would pray (to his Lord). I, however, intend (if Allah so willed) that I would reserve my prayer for the intercession of my Ummah on the Day of Resurrection. Ka'b said to Abu Huraira: Did you hear this from the Messenger of Allah pbuh? Abu Huraira said: Yes.
Sahih Muslim 198d

Yahya related to me from Malik, from Zayd ibn Aslam, from Ata ibn Yasar, that Kab al-Ahbar was once coming back from Syria with a group of riders, and at a certain point along the road they found some game- meat and Kab said they could eat it. When they got back to Madina they went to Umar ibn al-Khattab and told him about that, and he said, "Who told you you could do that?", and they said, ''Kab.'' He said, "He was indeed the one I made amir over you until you should return."

Later, when they were on the road to Makka, a swarm of locusts passed them by and Kab told them to catch them and eat them. When they got back to Umar ibn al-Khattab they told him about this, and he said (to Kab), "What made you tell them they could do that?" Kab said, "It is game of the sea." He said, "How do you know?", and Kab said, "Amir al- muminin, by the One in whose hand my self is, it is only the sneeze of a fish which it sneezes twice every year."

Malik was asked whether a muhrim could buy game that he had found on the way. He replied, "Game that is only hunted to be offered to people performing Hajj I disapprove of and forbid, but there is no harm in game that a man has which he does not intend for those in ihram, but which a muhrim finds and buys."

Malik said, about someone who had some game with him that he had hunted or bought at the time when he had entered into ihram, that he did not have to get rid of it, and that there was no harm in him giving it to his family.

Malik said that it was halal for some one in ihram to fish in the sea or in rivers and lakes, etc.
Muwatta Book 20 Hadith 787

Yahya related to me from Malik from Afif ibn Amr as-Sahmi that Ata ibn Yasar said, "I asked Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-As and Kab al Ahbar about someone who was uncertain in his prayer, and did not know whether he had prayed three or four rakas. Both of them said, 'He should pray another raka and then do two sajdas from the sitting position. Muwatta Chapter 3 Hadith 68

Ka'b Al-Ahbar also said every event that has taken place or will take place, on any foot of the earth, is written in the Torah, which Allah revealed to His Prophet Moses.

He also said to Umar r.a when he summoned him and asked where do you think better to build the musalla, oratory? " Ka’b replied: "Beside the rock"i.e. the rock would be the qiblah." 'Umar r.a said: "O Jewish person [son of a Jewish woman], you are mixing your Jewishness [with Islam]. I shall build it at the forefront of the mosque, as to us belong the forefronts of the mosques
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 8:27am On Sep 21, 2023
I put the question back to the questuoner when he asked about مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مَهَرَ to answer describing it's relevance to the discussion.

You later striked this through without answering or saying why only saying corrected. I didn't mark what wasn't being examined and you replaced with أُجُورَهُنَّ.

Do feel free to tell or explain. Appreciate.

TenQ:
Mallam Explore2xmore,
Why haven't you answered my questions?


Questions :
1. What is the difference between
أُجُورَهُنَّ and مهر?

2. What is مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ ?

3. Is it untrue that Qur'an 5:87 is related to Sahih al-Bukhari 5075, Muslim 1404a and subsequently Tafsir by Ibn ‘Abbâs and Ibn Kathir on Qur'an 4:24?

4. Is hadith by Bukhari 5075 and Muslim 1404a Sahih or Daif or Maudu?
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 8:11am On Sep 21, 2023
Your reliance on hadith before reading the Quran has only made you misunderstand the Quran.

Quran 4, An-Nisaa, The women adequately talks about marriage and does not refer to Mutah.

Foremost in verse 3: And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].

Then verse 4 says give women their dowries graciously. But if they willingly forego some of it, then consume it with enjoyment and pleasure.

It now follows with further guidance as to who and how you should marry.

22. Do not marry women whom your fathers married, except what is already past. That is improper, indecent, and a bad custom.

23. Forbidden for you are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your paternal aunts, your maternal aunts, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your foster-mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your stepdaughters in your guardianship—born of wives you have gone into—but if you have not gone into them (essentially the marriage is not consumated), there is no blame on you. And the wives of your genetic sons, and marrying two sisters simultaneously. Except what is past. God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

24. And all married women, except those you rightfully possess. This is God’s decree, binding upon you. Permitted for you are those that lie outside these limits, provided you seek them in legal marriage, with gifts from your property, seeking wedlock, not prostitution. If you wish to enjoy them (important), then give them their dowry—a legal obligation. You commit no error by agreeing to any change to the dowry. God is All-Knowing, Most Wise.

25. If any of you lack the means to marry free believing women, he may marry one of the believing maids under your control. God is well aware of your faith. You are from one another. Marry them with the permission of their guardians, and give them their recompense fairly—to be protected—neither committing adultery, nor taking secret lovers. When they are married, if they commit adultery, their punishment shall be half that of free women. That is for those among you who fear falling into decadence. But to practice self-restraint is better for you. God is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.

26. God intends to make things clear to you, and to guide you in the ways of those before you, and to redeem you. God is Most Knowing, Most Wise.

So you see it doesn't talk of Mutah.

The Quran itself says one should not insist on believing in a ready-made proposition or accepting a popular hypothesis, without deep observation and reasoning, as this is misguiding (2:170, 5:104, 10:100-101, 31:21, 33:67, 37:69-71)

It also harshly criticizes the inertia of a vegetative existence that lacks critical thinking and cognition (7:179, 8:22, 10:100-101, 11:24)

As well as describes unquestioning minds as polluted (10:100); describing unreasoning folks as subhumans (7:179, 8:22, 25:44).

Once you can critically and sincerely study the Quran you will see that Allah never prescribed Mutah. Sadly commentators have mislead many to wrong understanding that Quran prescribes temporary marriage.

It is indisputable that temporary marriages was part of the Arabian culture in the time of ignorance and quite a number tried to find ways to hold on to their previous ways. Indeed sincerity , steadfastness and strength in faith isn't automatic. Therein is the real jihad of every believer. You should know too that Israelites married from the female captives of war and were most certain to kill their husbands and males.

TenQ:
My error please for the incorrect citation on Bukhari. Bukhari Book 67 Hadith 52

Error regretted!
The correct citation is below


Volume 7, Book 62, Number 13 :
Narrated by 'Abdullah
We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, "Shall we get ourselves castrated?" He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry women with a temporary contract and recited to us: 'O you who believe ! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, but commit no transgression.' (5.87)


This also found in

Sahih Muslim 1404a
Abdullah (b. Mas’ud) reported: We were on an expedition with Allah’s Messenger and we had no women with us. We said: Should we not have ourselves castrated? He (the Holy Prophet) forbade us to do so He then granted us permission that we should contract temporary marriage for a stipulated period giving her a garment, and ‘Abdullah then recited this verse: ‘Those who believe do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, and do not transgress. Allah does not like trangressers”

My argument is not whether Mutual was cancelled or not. Of course it was cancelled BUT not by Allah in the Qur'an.

Your Claim 1:


My response,
1. The command to do Mutah was given by Allah in Quran 4:24
2. The command for Mutah was never abrogated by Allah in the Quran.
3. Mohammed later abrogated Allah's command for Mutah
4. The report of Mohammed abrogating the command of Allah on Mutah can only be found in the Hadith.

Conclusion :
Why do you hold on to Hadiths over the command of Allah in the Qur'an

2. I showed you from your hadiths that Qur'an 4:24 is about Temporary Marriage (Mutah).
a. Volume 7, Book 62, Number 13 =Sahih al-Bukhari 5075:
b. Sahih Muslim 1404a

3. If you doubt, I give me a single verse where Mutah was abrogated in the Qur'an.
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 6:35am On Sep 21, 2023
Wrong basis for comparison. How did Allah create animals and other living things compared to how he created man?

He is the One Who has made perfectly everything He has created: He began the creation of human beings with clay, And made his progeny from a quintessence of the nature of a fluid despised: But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit…”
Q32:7-9

All other creatures were created in a different manner and he did not breath into them to give them life.

And Allah has created from water every living creature. Some of them crawl on their bellies, some walk on two legs, and some walk on four. Allah creates whatever He wills. Surely Allah is Most Capable of everything.
Q24:45

The nature and position of mankind in his creation is far different from other creatures. Allah created mankind and jinn to worship him

I have not created the jinns and men but to worship Me.Q51:56

So you see however highly placed Jesus pbuh is he created neither man nor jinn.

TenQ:
It seems you don't read the Qur'an.
Jesus said:
I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird,
then
I breathe into it and it becomes a bird

Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 1:37am On Sep 21, 2023
Now you did not appropriately tag the hadith in your original post. And you still mistag here. Why?
TenQ:
Here is

Sahih al-Bukhari, [b]Book 62, Hadith 52:[/b]
Narrated by Abdullah bin Mas'ud: "We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, 'Shall we get ourselves castrated?' He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry a woman temporarily by giving her even a garment, and then he recited to us: 'O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you.'"

Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Hadith 3243:
Narrated by Abdullah: "We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of dates or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) and during the time of Abu Bakr until Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr bin Huraith."
Narrated Salama:
`Ali happened to stay behind the Prophet and (did not join him) during the battle of Khaibar for he was having eye trouble. Then he said, "How could I remain behind Allah's Messenger ?" So `Ali set out following the Prophet, When it was the eve of the day in the morning of which Allah helped (the Muslims) to conquer it, Allah's Messenger said, "I will give the flag (to a man), or tomorrow a man whom Allah and His Apostle love will take the flag," or said, "A man who loves Allah and His Apostle; and Allah will grant victory under his leadership." Suddenly came `Ali whom we did not expect. The people said, "This is `Ali." Allah's Messenger gave him the flag and Allah granted victory under his leadership.
Bukhari 62 Hadith 52


TenQ:
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 62, Hadith 52 is Also repeated in Hadith by Muslim with respect to Qur'an 5:87

[/b]
Narrated `Ali:
I said to Ibn `Abbas, "During the battle of Khaibar the Prophet forbade (Nikah) Al-Mut'a and the eating of donkey's meat."
Bukhari Book 67 Hadith 52

Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah and Salama bin Al-Akwa`:

While we were in an army, Allah's Messenger came to us and said, "You have been allowed to do the Mut'a (marriage), so do it."
Bukhari Book 67 Hadith 54

Do the immediate two hadith above this writing not contradict each other?

Then:
Salama bin Al-Akwa` said:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)'s said, "If a man and a woman agree (to marry temporarily), their marriage should last for three nights, and if they like to continue, they can do so; and if they want to separate, they can do so." I do not know whether that was only for us or for all the people in general. Abu `Abdullah (Al-Bukhari) said: `Ali made it clear that the Prophet said, "The Mut'a marriage has been cancelled (made unlawful).
Bukhari Book 67 Hadith 55

Why do you insist on describing Islam with literature that obviously contradict each other.


I don't have the time to show you all the hadith that forbid this mutah you refer to but will paste a link for you to see.

https://sunnah.com/search?q=temporary+marriage

You will read hadith from Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Majah, Abi Dawud, Bulugh etc. forbidding Mutah

Why do you now cross out the arabic words? I simply asked you to explain them and their relevance. Does the crossing mean a withdrawal of the question?
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 10:31pm On Sep 20, 2023
Can you also quote this your Bukhari hadith in full as I am finding hadith of this specification with different content?

TenQ:
Of cause,!
What is chastity?

Qur'an 5:87
"O you who have believed, do not prohibit the good things which Allah has made lawful to you and do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors."


The background and context for this verse
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 62, Hadith 52:
Narrated by Abdullah bin Mas'ud: "We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, 'Shall we get ourselves castrated?' He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry a woman temporarily by giving her even a garment, and then he recited to us: 'O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you.'"



Chastity is following the rules of Allah for Mutah.
The rules of Allah
Every other kind of women are lawful to you for sex provided
a. You give these women gifts and
b. Pay the women their dues for the sexual service provided as a must
c. Fulfill your Mutual agreement with these women.


According to Allah, it is a transgression and it is unlawful to RAPE or DEFRAUD an unmarried woman to have sex with her AND A married woman is lawful to Muslims only if she's a prisoner of war

These are the good things Allah has made lawful to you

What is the difference between
مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مهر?
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 10:17pm On Sep 20, 2023
TenQ:
Of cause,!
What is chastity?

Qur'an 5:87
"O you who have believed, do not prohibit the good things which Allah has made lawful to you and do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors."


The background and context for this verse
Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 62, Hadith 52:
Narrated by Abdullah bin Mas'ud: "We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, 'Shall we get ourselves castrated?' He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry a woman temporarily by giving her even a garment, and then he recited to us: 'O you who believe! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you.'"



Chastity is following the rules of Allah for Mutah.
The rules of Allah
Every other kind of women are lawful to you for sex provided
a. You give these women gifts and
b. Pay the women their dues for the sexual service provided as a must
c. Fulfill your Mutual agreement with these women.


According to Allah, it is a transgression and it is unlawful to RAPE or DEFRAUD an unmarried woman to have sex with her AND A married woman is lawful to Muslims only if she's a prisoner of war

These are the good things Allah has made lawful to you

What is the difference between
مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مهر?
As you insist on using hadith to derive the meaning of Quran verses can you help choose which is to be taken:
Ibn Kathir reports:
`Ali bin Abi Talhah said that Ibn `Abbas said, “This Ayah ﴿5:87﴾ was revealed about some of the Companions of the Prophet who said, `We should cut off our male organs, abandon the desires of this life and travel in the land, just as the Ruhban (monks) do.’ When the Prophet heard of this statement, he summoned them and asked them if they made this statement and they answered `Yes.’ The Prophet said:
I fast and break my fast, pray and sleep, and marry women. Whoever follows my Sunnah is of me, and whoever abandons my Sunnah is not of me. Ibn Abi Hatim also collected this Hadith. Ibn Marduwyah recorded that Al-`Awfi said that Ibn `Abbas narrated a similar Hadith. It is recorded in the Two Sahihs that `A'ishah said that some of the Companions asked the wives of the Prophet about the acts of worship that he performed in private. One of them said, "I will not eat meat,'' another said, "I will not marry women,'' while the third said, "I will not sleep on the bed.'' When the Prophet heard this statement, he said,What is the matter with some people who said such and such I fast and break the fast, sleep and wake to stand to pray, eat meat, and marry women. He who is not pleased with my Sunnah is not of me.Allah's statement and transgress not means, do not exaggerate and make it hard for yourselves by prohibiting the permissible things Do not transgress the limits by excessively indulging in the permissible matters; only use of it what satisfies your need; and do not fall into extravagance

Al- Maududi says:
This verse embodies two directives. The first is that man should not attribute to himself the authority to proclaim things either lawful or unlawful according to his own wishes. Only that which God has held to be lawful is lawful, and only that which God has declared unlawful is unlawful. If men were to declare certain things either lawful or unlawful on their own authority, they would not be following the law of God but their own laws. The second directive is that they should not adopt the course of world-renunciation and abstention from worldly pleasures as the Christian monks, Hindu mendicants, Buddhist bhikshus and illuminist mystics did. Religious-minded and virtuous people have always tended to consider their physical and carnal desires an impediment to spiritual growth. They have considered suffering, deprivation from worldly pleasures and abstention from the means of worldly sustenance to be acts of goodness and indispensable for achieving proximity to God. Even some of the Companions leaned in this direction. The Prophet (peace be on him) once came to know that some Companions had resolved that they would fast without interruption, that instead of spending the night on their beds they would remain awake praying, that they would consume neither meat nor fat, and would have no (sexual) relations with women. The Prophet (peace be on him) addressed the people on this subject and said: ‘I have not been commanded to do so. Even your own self has rights against you. So, fast on certain days and refrain from fasting on others. Stay awake praying at night and also sleep. Look at me; 1 sleep as well as stay awake (praying); sometimes I fast and sometimes I don’t. I consume meat as well as fat. Whosoever dislikes my way does not belong to me.’ He then added: ‘What has happened to people that they have prohibited for themselves women, good food, perfumes, sleep and the pleasures of the world, whereas I have not taught you to become monks and priests. In my religion there is neither abstention from women nor from meat, neither seclusion nor withdrawal.

For the purposes of self-control my religion has fasting. As for monasticism, all its benefits can be derived from jihad (struggle in the way of God). Serve God and associate none with Him. Perform Hajj and ‘Umrah, establish Prayers, dispense Zakah and observe the fasts of Ramadan. Those who were destroyed before you were destroyed because they were severe with themselves, and when they became severe with themselves God became severe with them as well.

You can see Ibn Kathir and Maududi are more encompassing in discussing this verse.

Do tell me the difference between مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مهر as well as it's relevance to this discussion.
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op):
TenQ:
The burden of any proof of Kab al-Ahbar is on you. What was my claim on him that requires a proof?
Finally he covetly admits he cannot present anaything. Maybe I will tell you some in a subsequent post.

TenQ:
Yes, Qur'an 4:24 speaks of women lawful for you Muslims and it include Mutah.

Quran 4:24 (Surah An-Nisa):
"And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise."


1. You are forbidden to have sex with married women unless they are your captives in war, why then it becomes legal.
2. Every other kind of women are lawful to you for sex provided
a. You give these women gifts and
b. Pay the women their dues for the sexual service provided as a must
c. Fulfill your Mutual agreement with these women.

I am sure you know the difference between
مُسْتَمْتِعِينَ and مهر.
Q4:24And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

Point of focus italicised and emboldened.
(You seek them in marriage) and (desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse.

Or another translation of the meaning:
Also ˹forbidden are˺ married women—except ˹female˺ captives in your possession. This is Allah’s commandment to you. Lawful to you are all beyond these—as long as you seek them with your wealth in a legal marriage, not in fornication. Give those you have consummated marriage with their due dowries. It is permissible to be mutually gracious regarding the set dowry. Surely Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.
Christianity Etc › Re: KAB AL AHBAR The Prominent Jew Tenq Follows And Fabrication Of Hadith by Explore2xmore(op): 7:05pm On Sep 20, 2023
TenQ:
Yes or No: Do you practice Mutah?
What do the Quran verses you present say? Do they talk about Mutah?

You are unable to provide up to 3 hadith from or with Kab al abhar in the chain of narration and are diverting from the subject. Why? To cover your inability?

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