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[quote author=*Kails*]^^that's what i said. i've highlighted my points in case you don't understand the point.
the black folks in the west with names like "eboe" are just as mixed as the rest of us.
not even they are only/mostly igbo.

we've been out here since the 1600s sir (1500s if you're caribbean - damn!), there is no way to only name one tribe as our ancestral group. DNA testing only traces back 5 generations and then they will claim the ancestry that comes out the most...but its still not enough to tell us ALL of our ancestry and it never will.[/quote]It is not a one way thing. There are African Americans who know or have heard fragmented stories about their ethnic origin(s) like Paul Robeson and T.D. Jakes and claim it. I defended that eboe surname particularly because there are people from the Virginia side (and other places including Jamaica and Haiti, Barbados) who actually held onto their Igbo identity and passed it onto their children for generations. While it is obvious that many in the African diaspora are mixed or have multiple heritage, there are some that have decided to only claim a lineage, sometimes this is Igbo. It's no different to the equally mixed people of European descent who would simply say they are Irish and German, or just German, even when they may have some native and African ancestry let alone other European ancestry. Then there are those whose family have lived in small communities for a long time. I guess it's left to the individual.

[quote author=c.fours]don't make me laugh in gangnam style abeg
I love how you are talking more about the monarchy's past and history rather than about its present relevance to UK political life.
it's very obvious that the monarchy is in decline and only still exists in UK to keep tourism going. it has no other function. it's just a cultural symbol nothing else. just like things like Ooni of ife or oba of benin in nigeria. these posts are more ceremonial than anything. their real power is largely gone and its not coming back![/quote]You failed this argument. It's clear that you are either avoiding this fact, or that you do not know what a head of state or absolute monarchy is.

[quote author=c.fours]I don't know where your so called "equal stake" idea is coming from. do you even know what the definition of an empire or kingdom is? "equal stake" is a foreign concept to the inherent idea and meaning of what an empire is. which is all about conquests and expansion. what counts as modern day "empires" are really just relics and remnants of what used to exist in the past. their relevance is largely gone. in fact,the decline of the british empire is what led to the wave of independence of many of its dependent states in the mid 20th century. The last real modern empire to exist was the USSR and it fell in 1989.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Empire
and there is NO such thing as "ethnic" equal stake even in modern nation states. that's all idealism for the dreamy idlers. I wish you would give a few examples of the kind of countries or empires with "equal stake" that you are talking about. why do you think people fight wars/ or form allies. it's all about getting as much power as possible for oneself! and at the end of the day, it's all about winners and losers. we are talking about politics here not church sermon.[/quote]You're confusing yourself. You were trying to equate Nigeria's diversity with the ethnic diversity of fallen empires like Benin when in fact they cannot be compared. You were trying to make it seem like states like Nigeria have been present since before European contact which is nonsense because there was never any colonising power that created completely new multi-ethnic states that became independent before European arrival. By law everybody in Nigeria has equal stake, but in Benin and every other empire every non-member of the ruling ethnic group, in this case non-Bini, did not. What you are saying is that in practice, not by law, there is a ruling class or there is bias to a particular group, whether racial or otherwise, in all these countries presently which isn't really countering any arguments I've made.

salam001: i thought Ebonyi suppose be unu obodo

Why is Ebonyi called salt of the nation?

[quote author=*Kails*]"Eboe" is a british sirname.

http://lastnames.myheritage.com/last-name/Eboe[/quote]Eboe is actually a name some Igbo people bear, like this guy: Chile Eboe-Osuji. If you search Eboe in academic resources there's only one reference you'll get. The site seems to go back where the person registered from, the person is probably Igbo even.

I searched Chukwu, it's also a British surname according to them.

http://lastnames.myheritage.com/last-name/Chukwu

Please, let me do I-too-know small,

Anambra - Ife Mba
Enugu - Mba Ama Icheku (okay-ish)
Imo - Okpu ala Owuwa anwu
Ebonyi - Ndi ume ani

Abia State - Ebe Chukwu Huru/Ebe Chukwu Di

[quote author=c.fours]WRONG there is NO such thing as each ethnicities having equal share of the state.
that does not exist in reality. only fantasy.

India is a multi-ethnic nation. because it has a plethora of ethnicities within it's borders. but usually only the most poweful ethnic groups will get to rule it most of the time.
USA is also a multi-ethnic country. I'm sure you live in the USA so I won't say further than that.
what's left is for the ethnic groups to vie for power (if they are still stuck with tribalistic mindframes). if you sit back relax waiting for your share to come to you then you will siddon forever. while you are sitting idly, you can occupy yourselves with stupid stories of how you were "great kingdoms" in the past tales of the weak idlers who don't want to move forward with reality.

if you have problems with these definitions of "multi-ethnic", go and petition dictionaries and encyclopedias to include your crazy ideas in their books.
A multiethnic society is one with members belonging to more than one ethnic group, in contrast to societies which are ethnically homogeneous.

the key word here is "members" not "rulers"
and by that definition, all empires and kingdoms of the past (and *chuckle* present) have been multi-ethnic. in fact, the whole point of becoming an empire is to CONQUER other groups and have them absorbed into yours.
in that sense, nations are actually fairer politically since each member has a vote. but of course numbers matter.[/quote]Yeah, but in the context of politics and ethnocentrism (which you were comparing Nigeria and empires of past with), the empires would have to have equal stake, or potential equal stake in the state. But that isn't apparent in older kingdoms like Benin where it was only ethnic Bini that ruled. So therefore, no, empires of past were not-multiethnic although the society may have been.

[quote author=c.fours]you must be out of your mind.
What about Ooni of Ife
Oba of Benin
Igwe of iboland
etc etc

these are all CEREMONIAL posts. They have absolutely no power over the direction of the country. When was the last time Queen Elizabeth had anything to do with British foreign and economic policy besides just providing fodder for celebrity tabloids. the only thing that makes "royalty" relevant today is the fairy tale idea of princes and princess ex weddings. kate middletown etc. they are just like entertainers rather than rulers.
they are no longer relevant in today's global political reality!!

you are only deluding yourself if you think otherwise.
when the so called "royalty" is being forced to pay rent by the president or prime minister. you know something is up. worst of all is when it's featured in a tabloid.ROTFL
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1077382/How-Princess-Pushy-pay-120-000-year-rent-Kensington-Palace-apartment.html

Who ever still calls Sweden, Denmark, Japan etc empires and kingdoms are just fools who need to be shipped back to the iceage. [/quote]Funny, cause Saudi Arabia, Brunei, and a few others are absolute monarchies, meaning the monarch is the only ruler/leader. Queen Elizabeth II is actually the Head of State of the United Kingdom, meaning she can declare war on another country without anyones consesnt (well, you know what I mean).

"The Queen is Head of State of the UK and 15 other Commonwealth realms. The elder daughter of King George VI and Queen Elizabeth, she was born in 1926 and became Queen at the age of 25, and has reigned through more than five decades of enormous social change and development. The Queen is married to Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh and has four children and eight grandchildren.

In this section packed full of images and videos, you can find out more about Her Majesty's early life and reign, public life, marriage and family and personal interests."

http://www.royal.gov.uk/hmthequeen/hmthequeen.aspx

Apart from all this Elizabeth II and probably all those monarch are looked after by Tax payers money. The United Kingdom isn't called "United Kingdom" for no reason. All those kingdoms I listed are the official long name of the state, meaning they recognise themselves as a kingdom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_monarchy

Flytefalls: @Kails, you are very good to know your history. My Jamaican ancestry is baffling, I don't attempt to go there. St Vincent was more of a refuge island for African slaves, but I can trace Indian and south American blood also. Trying to trace African heritage is confounded by ancesters who "island hopped" .

I'd like to see someone show interest in an Island that is not Jamaica for once .

Like me? My favorite Islands are Dominica and Barbados. Barbados is the only majority African descended nation that has been rated with very high human development. Dominicas beauty is unmatched.

Plus these guys have had more Igbo presence. And by Dominica I mean the island of Do-mi-ni-ka, not Do-mini-ka.

Ọ gị wụ okwu Igbo nke gị gụ gị ike, ọ wụghị okwu bekee.

Nà ebe omenàlà kwa? Ha! Ebole ka madu gị sụwa asụsụ ha?

https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m88ybofvFT1qjh37to1_500.jpg

Ọgọdọ.

odumchi: Ufodu ndi na akpozi "pant" "ogodo".

O nwere ilulu di otu a: okolo elulelu iyili ogodo; ikuku bia bulu okolo bulu ogodo.

Ọ dị ndị na kpọ ya ọbante, ọgọdọ wụ ihe ha ne kechi ime ukwu.

[quote author=madame_bebe]Mcheeeew how does this help the culture section? [/quote]Ga tu ihe ị gị rụ. Ga chọ ọrụ.

Nigerians are followers. Everything is follow-follow especially when it comes to gossip, and it seems like men are the worst. So many rumours in Nigeria kill. Nigerians will follow to the point of murder.

I still don't believe that language thing. I think that is mainly due to ethnicity.

bigfrancis21: Evidence says so. I'm not claiming you people at all. Once more, i'm only re-iterating history!!
We may not make up the entire east but we sure are numerous in population, over 35 million. Anambra and imo states are the two most homogeneously (single tribe) dense states in Nigeria, after Lagos which is heterogeneous with all Nigerian tribes. Well, you are entitled to your own beliefs, anyway, which differs from mainstream history to an extent. And one last thing, go take the dna test and tell us all the nationalities with their percentages present in your lineages, lets see how this supports your claim.

There's no group that is mostly Igbo, and certainly not Jamaicans. They may have many people who are of Igbo descent but many of them have a lot of other descent. I would say that there would be a lot of mostly Ghanian descent in the Maroons and other isolated communities. Now, there are communities across the Americas that may be mostly one group, but this would actually be mainly in the United States, specifically Virginia and North Carolina. You can actually meet people there who have ancestors called Armaka, and surnames like Eboe, some even know of this ancestry. If you were to concentrate on mostly Igbo descended communities I would look at Virginia/Kentucky/North Carolina, although I'm not saying it's everybody or community there oh!

'Multi-ethnic' would mean that every one of those ethnicities had an equal share of the state, including cultural influence.

United Kingdom
Kingdom of Norway
Kingdom of Bahrain
Kingdom of Denmark
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Kingdom of Swaziland
Kingdom of Tonga
Kingdom of the Netherlands
Kingdom of Sweden
United Arab Emirates
Grand Duchy of Luxembourg
And so on...

Other:
Japan (Emperor Akihito)
Brunei (Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah)
Commonwealth: Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, and so on... (Queen Elizabeth II)

I knew about the Maroons, but I didn't count them in as Tainos, although they retained their culture. There are islands like Dominica where the native population (Kalinago) are still very much present (even some with African and European ancestry), and compared to Jamaica I would say indigenous Jamaicans are pretty much all gone.

[img]http://76.12.225.32/site1/images/pic_caribs.jpg[/img]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BXBkd4IClE

In Jamaica, they are completely gone, the ones that exist moved to other islands and many are of African and European descent as well.

demmie1: you never mentioned how the british conqured other nigerians; the igalas, the jukuns, the tivs. these were independent kingdoms in their own rights.

however, what went wrong was simple, the british empire had far advanced weaponry and military organisation than locals, they played one group against the other and they believed its within their rights to colonise us.

The British didn't have more advanced military organisation than the locals.

I think the Taino and Caribs were wiped out completely before the British even arrived to Jamaica.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]Jamaicans are more probably Yoruba descendant heavily mixed with native Carib and Taino populations.[/quote]Why?

Descent! You're confusing descent with amount of ancestry. For example, over 90% of African Americans are of British descent.

Odenigbo Aroli: Am I missing something from this your epistle ?? You make it sound as if aro is the only igbo kingdom. You can't get aro higher that it already is! You ppl sold human for a living and there is no NOBILITY in that. Aros were savages and never contributed nothing to Igbo culture and history. You Odumchi must stop using aro as a tool for an Igbo representation,so the world doesn't think all Igbo sold human like your barbaric forefathers. Hell,you guys are hardly Igbo,to be very factual. Aro is not a model Igbo tribe. The only thing my father said about aro is that they were kidnappers and human sellers and we Nri look down on such people including Oyo and Benin kingdoms. Odumchi,you are a decendant of barbaric human sellers and as such will never represent the DIVINE,SACRED AND THE NOBLE PEOPLE of Eri and Ifikuanim! Keep deceiving yourself!

Nri isn't relevant in this discussion since they did not have military presence. Aro also bought people, which means there needed to be people that were more than willing to sell. Are you sure non of your ancestors sold slaves? Because I'm sure no Igbo can be sure their ancestors didn't.

StarFlux: The Portuguese were probably one of the less destroying nations when it comes to colonalization. The Portuguese traded fairly with Benin Kingdom as far as I know, it didn't go down until the British decided to burn it into the ground. But hey, I guess greed would've gotten to them sooner or later anyway, if it weren't for the British. But the Portuguese were in my book, less harmful if you can put it that way, than most other colonization powers. Though, I could be wrong

They were largely like the expats we have in Nigeria these days, the just came to trade, drink, f*ck and get away from their wives. That's why all these 'mixed' African communities are Portuguese speaking.

[quote author=*Kails*]according to them ALL OF AFRICAN DESCENDANTS IN THE WEST are Igbo! [/quote]I'm not agreeing with the info you quoted, but it's possible for 90% of Jamaicans to be of Igbo descent.

ChinenyeN: Written Izii does little justice to actual Izii speech. Anyway, here is one of the Izii audio recording. There are others.

[flash=490,390]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu-63K9IhHw[/flash]

Igbo is probably the closest to the language spoken by the aboriginals of West Africa, it sounds like everything.

odumchi: Here's another one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrYt0TZbC0o&feature=youtube_gdata_player

That sounds like Farsi/Akan/French. What the...? Is this what Igbo sounds like to others?

Do those snakes even produce venom?

ifyalways: Polygamy is an African tradition.

However, it takes lots of greed and less of tradition for a 23 years old lady to consent to mail bride arrangement as a second wife.

African tradition doesn't exist.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns]this is our african culture. before islam and christianity our ogun worshipping forefathers practiced polygamy. we should continue this practoce so we dont end up like the westerners where a man has a wife but he spends his money in strip clubs googling over other women and spendig his paycheck on a LovePeddler....or worse, end up in a homosexual relationship.[/quote]Rubbish, Ogun and Sango probably even had their own sex mates, have you never heard of a concubine?

[quote author=c.fours]you are stupid if you can't find the answer in the two pages of this thread.
either that or you are looking for an answer that only fits your limited, ignorant world view.

your question even makes no sense. Saying arabic is islamic is akin to saying english is christian.
Why is there christian writing on the naira? is Nigeria a christian nation?

only a fool will not see through this topic as a biafra garbage.[/quote]You don't even know what Islamic calligraphy is, do you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calligraphy

Now, why is there Hausa Islamic calligraphy on the notes?