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Jimmy Boy:
I am sorry, they have to wait a little longer 2019 or 2023 sounds more like it.

The Nigeria is gone by then.

sheyguy:
If u give Ibos the chance they will pass this thing called presidency for the next 200 yrs . . . . . . from Bayelsa-Ibo to SE-Ibo to Delta-Ibo to Rivers-Ibo to Diaspora-Ibo to Dark-skinned-Ibo to Female-Ibo. . . . . the very same ambition that ignited 1966 drama series still running to this day

Please, those aren't all the same people. We need to rotate around Delta Igbo and South east Igbo at least, before others. It's fair.

Now this is boring. Have fun.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=796506.msg9510672#msg9510672 date=1320809001]Yoruba agbada[/quote]http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/oxymoron

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=796506.msg9510663#msg9510663 date=1320808906]Precolonial Yoruba woman[/quote]Can't afford Ivory?

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=796506.msg9510651#msg9510651 date=1320808650]That really dark man is a Yoruba man, compare their lace[/quote]I would never have been able to tell which of those men was Yoruba.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=796506.msg9510634#msg9510634 date=1320808416]What would you do if I say the man with the white hat looks like a yoruba king? [/quote]I would say you need to send yourself back to researching Odudwa, the origin of Arabic-Yoruba words, and why there's an Emir of Illorin, oh, don't forget about Agbada's and half of your peoples religion.

Do you guys wait for Igbo threads? There needs to be some kind of rehabilitation for Igbo obsession.

You keep mentioning people being hurt, is that what's on your mind? I'm not hurting. Thanks for caring.

Now, I see you're on your way studying the Islamic history of your people, so I'll leave you to it. Don't forget Odudwa now. (Hint: he was an Arab! I know ).

Are we coming back for more? Go an do something better, like counting Arabic/Hausa words in Yoruba. Here's a start: Yoruba.

I may not understand "influence", but I understand 'Islamic conquest' well.

"Got confused" or 'are confused'. See what envy and follow-follow caused. Internet uselessness. Again: we should have been respectful and kept things to ourselves, now shouldn't we?

Failure plus a certain poster are becoming inseparable.

Somebody thought there was a Bini king parading at an Igbo festival. They only noticed the feathers later because they open the page from the bottom and scroll up, riiiiiiggghhhht. *hearbreak*

Ewu calling somebody and "ediot", because I embarrassed it? When they should have respected themselves and moved to another thread?

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Yoruba chiefs?

lakal:
^^ Look at this Onitsha chief and tell me the attire of the Benin chief above is not [b]very [/b]similar.

If it was you would have backed it up with a picture.

lakal:
Excuse my unfamiliarity with al aspects of Igbo culture, but where else  (except other parts of Western Igboland) do Igbo chiefs and obis wear the "Puffy" (for lack of a better term) type of wrapper that Benin chiefs and Oba wear?

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I've never seen an Obi dressed like that, they usually dress in white or in generic clothing.

The most 'Benin-looking' king I've seen is that of Ogba (Eze Ogbah) or one of his chiefs.

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Apart from that all they wear from Benin is sometimes hat, the round coral, and the sword. Like here: http://www.ofaac.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=106&Itemid=553

Asagba of Asaba:

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Obi of Onicha doesn't wear any of that apart from holding the sword.

lakal:
O'boy, you are entering dangerous territory.  

Let's look at this festival.  The traditional clothing looks similar to other cultural groups' own, especially those of the Obi/Chiefs and a certain empire across the Niger. . .

"Onitsha Ado n'Idu."  I don't speak Igbo, so could you tell me what the "idu" in Onitsha means?  Because I believe I know, but I just want to be sure. . .

Bring up a picture of a Benin king and the only things that are similar with the chiefs (Ozo) and Obi are their corals and swords, everything else has a root in some Igbo culture, maybe except for some other minor details. Idu means Benin City, yes the Onicha clan migrated from Benin city. Yes they have cultural relics from Edo culture, such as some of their names and some other things. No, they are not acculturated clearly seeing from the fact that the Obi is supported by Ọzọ, an Nri establishment.

Or maybe it's because Odudwa was from Saudi Arabia?

lakal:
Isn't "yabasi" Igbo for onion?


The Yoruba and Igbo words for onion are derived from the Arabic "Al-basal."

But let's not digress, for real. I was really enjoying the thread, it seems like an eminent tradition, and one that is going strong in Onitsha.

Oh, one word aint acculturation, I'm talking changing peoples traditional attire, even their name sef.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=796506.msg9510438#msg9510438 date=1320804475]Yoruba boys

So you see the similarities between the pixs and Yorubas?[/quote]Because Yoruba people invented white clothes.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=796506.msg9510438#msg9510438 date=1320804475]I like the acculturation  tho. Even modern Igbo women are dressing in tune with the Yoruba attires.  And I love it![/quote]Now she's coming for lace and ankara. Next it will be blouse and headtie, you know, all originated from Yoruba land.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=796506.msg9510435#msg9510435 date=1320804406]Oba of Lagos

[img]http://4.bp..com/_bDcpR_wJ7hk/SrLLfrpxKSI/AAAAAAAABv8/8rpHnIWpntQ/s400/Adeyuika+Oyekan+II,+Oba+of+Lagos, jpg[/img][/quote]Oba of London

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Borrow, borrow.

??

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Yoruba king?

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lakal:
But the Igbo word for onion seems to have come from Arabic too, una sef dey acculturate small

What are the words?

The[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=796506.msg9510408#msg9510408 date=1320803958]Yoruba king

[img]http://www./wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/oba11.jpg[/img][/quote]Another Grand bou-bou? Chai!

The exit is this way, leave quietly.

What was exactly meant to hurt me? Borrowed Islamic clothing from Fulani conquests, or the fact that the "Agbada" you were bragging about earlier was revealed to have originated hundreds of miles away from Yorubaland proving your Islamic "acculturation" that has already happened hundreds of years ago.

[quote author=Francis-1 link=topic=798773.msg9510040#msg9510040 date=1320798046]Neither East nor West. Somewhere between Edo and Delta (Agbor) will do. Build a new capital from scratch that is central to all. Lagos is too congested for any rethink, and has become too Yoruboid for the liking of any non-Yoruboid.[/quote]Yes Agbor will do. Nice and neutral.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=796506.msg9510336#msg9510336 date=1320802764]Seriously, the one on the right looks he's going to a Yoruba's owanbe party. Yoruba attire. I'm liking this acculturation.[/quote]Yoruba men wear wrappers to Owambe now? Everything borrowed?

Formal national attire, much more professional, as can be seen. Non of that conquered-African stuff:

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Does anyone know what even this was? Seeing as he's wearing less formal clothing as the last.

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This picture is so great.

Extended, remixed, refashioned, replaced, revamped < Islamic Origin.

NRI PRIEST:
Though the Igbos wear it sometime but not as much as Yorubas do.

But the Igbo have not adopted it like others, it isn't seen like traditional clothing. Igbo people aren't Islamized.

The people in the Onicha photo look nothing like those in the second picture because 1. they're not wearing lace, 2. they're not holding fly-whisks in the second picture, and 3. the Onicha photo clothing is much richer.

The origin of "Agabda":

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