₦airaland Forum

Onyiridike:
4. If Buhari couldn't profer a lasting solution to Nigeria problems as president in 1985 when he is young, do you think he can do so now that he is 72 years and half of his brain cells are dead? Even Profs retire at the age of 70 years because they can no longer strain their brains to think and come up with new ideas.

What dumb thing to say. So because researcher did not find the cure for cancer when he was young, therefore, he is incapable of achieving it when he is 72?

If Buhari doesn't have a hidden agenda other than his love for Nigeria, why didn't he give other credible candidates in APC the opportunity to become president? Is Buhari the ONLY saint in APC? Must he be president again at all cost?
Another dumb question. So in your set way of thinking, you really that your dreaming of doing something is better realized through another man's own dreaming?
The guy had been running for this position for God knows how many times, now he has a better opportunity more than the previous three occasions, and you wan him to give it to someone else. Who was looking for a saint? Presidency is not by all cost if you chose not to vote for him. Atta Mills lost on few occasions but eventually succeeded.


[quote]6. Is it NOT glaring that APC is just a means for the Northern muslims to re-claim power back since it is no longer possible in PDP?

You see, if you lot from the south joined APC, it wont be a northern thing, would it? And those that had the courage to join, you are calling them sell outs, malam etc. You cannot have it both way. By the way, there is nothing southern about PDP more than APC, if you can open your eyes and use it.

7. Do you think Buhari would have remained in APC if Rochas or Atiku had emerged victorious in just concluded APC presidential primary election? If No, why?

What is the relevant of this question? Fortunately or unfortunately he didn't lose, so deal with the reality instead of what could have been.

Finally, Goodluck may not be the type of president we clamoured for but Buhari is NOT an alternative. I thought APC would have provided us a vibrant and better candidate who can brace up with the existing realities of this modern and complex world.

Really? vibrant and better, like who, Jesus of Obalende? There are plenty of alternatives apart from Buhari and Jonathan, how many political parties has Nigeria got? The likes of Pat Utomi, Chris Okotie, Dele Momodu once ran for the same position, how many like you voted for them? They are young, bright and all sort, whats the excuse?

If they had done that, Nigerians will NOT need paint-him-black strategy of APC to vote GEJ (Not PDP) out in 2015.

Come on! Not another vote vote GEJ and not PDP ?
I don't think most people will quite buy that now.
I think another strategy might work better, like, when the senior Igbinedion said about his son that, "they should give him a second chance because anyone that fail his exam deserve a re-sit of the exam". That might work for Jonathan.

Onyiridike:
I am NOT a fan of GEJ. However, it baffles me tremendously that no party in Nigeria has come up with a better alternative. When APC come up with their usual chorus 'CHANGE!!!', I always ask them:

1. What sort of change and in what direction?

Falsehood is the greatest crime against humanity especially if such lies are meant for public consumption.

Obviously, some of our major challenges as a Nation-State are:

It is like asking a manager what direction a team he does not coach will go.
Interview them for the job, have confidence in them and give them the job, if after a year or their four years contract, their game is terrible and the result is worse than the previous manager, then you know your answers.

orimsamsam:
By God grace. This is the incoming first lady of nigeria

No, the incoming there is God, probably in a little bit posh version. They are all the same. Power can do a lot to many people beyond recognition.

atlwireles:
Why are you lying, major gen Magoro, the man responsible for implementing the policy is still alive. The humanitarian nightmare at the seme and idroko borders happened under Shagari? Look at this man trying to invent reality.

I am not in the habit of wasting my time and breath, life is precious. You can believe whatever you like. Am out. Talk about something else.

melvinjames:
The source I quoted was encyclopaedia Britannica, you derided the NY Times, you're now casting doubts on encyclopaedia Britannica, where do you get your own news?
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Encyclopedia Britannica?
I don't know your level of education, am sure you must have been told that before wikipedia, there was your source.
When I was student in them years in England, It's place to get general basic knowledge but never a reliable source of information on every subject and not thoroughly authentic because of its editing authenticity methodology.

melvinjames:
The source I quoted was encyclopaedia Britannica, you derided the NY Times, you're now casting doubts on encyclopaedia Britannica, where do you get your own news?



The information Awwal stole £14million is widely available on the internet in case you plan to search for it. But going by your previous summation I doubt you're interested in real facts, your own facts only.

Total federal revenue collected including oil in 1983 for example is about N10.6 billion (naira)
Then please use the same internet to check out what the value of £14 million was at the time, check and find out how much his state budget was annually, the gross revenue allocation at the time, price of oil at the time and the exchange rate at the time. That will be more beneficial to you, than reading some nonsense on the internet.
After that, you can then use your tongue to count your teeth.

melvinjames:
You failed to give a reason why you think Abiola would have jubilated and the same Abiola was overwhemingly voted for in the 1993 election. This supposed misdeeds by Abiola is known only to you or what? I think I've read somewhere the ITT contracts were from Murtala, Abiola was a rich man before joining the NPN, no? Did Abiola become rich whist member of NPN or he made his money before joining NPN?

Your first statement shows that you, either knew nothing about Nigeria or just pure ignorance.
Everybody knew that ITT ripped up Nigeria with their substandard work that cost Nigeria billions. He was a CIA agent and the CIA was behind most coups in Nigeria. He was one of the sponsors of 1983 and 1985 coups.
Shagari's government spent millions at the time building an local paper manufacturing plant at Oku-Iboku (in Cross Rivers or Akwa Ibo now). Though it was commissioned and running well below capacity because of lack of patronage from newspaper industry and others alike like concord as they are still importing papers, which gives them cheap dollar access from the official forex market.

The first thing Buhari government did was to ban further importation of processed papers. They also changed the entire MANAGEMENT structure at Oku-Iboku and within 6 months they were not only running in full capacity but was making PROFIT. Countries like Germany and Britain, where some of the papers were being imported from were not happy. The likes of Abiola were not happy either. Their source of cheap foreign exchange has been cut off.

You kept saying Abiola made his money.
He made his money doing what exactly?
Where is his money now, if has root?
When Nigerians say that someone made their money especially when you came from a very poor background and started as an employee of a firm and then within a shot period you are a millionaire.
It should be easy to tell people where your money come from. Did you borrow money from a bank to start business? Did you save to start business and how many years did you save enough to start?
And what business was that?
When you ask real businessmen like Richard Branson, he will give you every detail of how he started to the last penny. Every little money I got today, I can account to where they all came from. From my savings, investment to borrowings and inheritance etc.
Abiola winning an election got nothing to do with his record or his past, because in Nigeria, you can be anybody or anything and still contest for public office and win.
That is why rogues like him including your current senate president made sure he never inherited what he rightly merited because they knew him inside out including his best friend IBB.
Alamesiegha will by this time next year be your lawmaker, if you needed reminding.

atlwireles:
Yes, Shargari asked immigrants without papers to leave, and it was done in an human way. Buhari, also asked immigrants to leave,the way the policy was implemented became an humanitarian disaster, which made headlines across the globe.. The New York times article is from May 1985. So, what are you trying to spin here.

I kept trying to help you but you chose to be drowning in fiction. Mass deportation of foreigners was already a past event before the army removed Shagari.
Shagari asked or gave them weeks to leave or face the consequences and people were leaving in trailer loads, especially in Lagos, Aba and Onitsha, where many of these migrant were residing.
This event happened well before the military took over, and should be a common knowledge to you.
Humanitarian disaster? Give me a break.

melvinjames:
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Insurmountable economic problems plagued the Buhari regime as petroleum prices collapsed in the face of expanding foreign debt. Buhari instituted austerity measures that caused severe hardship to the average Nigerian. In addition, political corruption continued unabated, with politicians escaping to Western countries with millions of dollars in government money.[/color] From Encyclopaedia Britannica

Again, another simply information that should be common to you. Austerity measures was introduced by the Shagari's governement as a pre condition from the IMF and world bank before they can loan them more money.
This ipad generation are supposed to be well informed, right?

Buhari Does not listen to other opinions hence Babangida said this when he overthrew Buhari: Major-General Muhammadu Buhari was too rigid and uncompromising in his attitudes to was too rigid of national significance.

Buhari refused to take further international monetary loans, with their harsh economic conditions, which Babangida himself reverse even after a waste of time debate where Nigerians across the board rejected any further IMF loans

Jailing of opponents or perceived enemies. Sam Mbakwe 100-year jail, Ambrose Ali 75yrs, Lateef Jakande 100yrs and Pa Ajasin. Pa Adekunle Ajasin was tried, found innocent, tried again and still found innocent, and Buhari just decided enough was enough and jailed him anyhow. But curiously his friend Awwal Ibrahim – the highly corrupt governor of Niger State who was arrested at Heathrow airport with £14 million was only placed under house arrest.,

Dumbo, the sentences are in concurrent. Gosh! not real 100 years.
Where did you get this iinformation, 1. That Awwal Ibrahim was his friend? Ibrahim was one of the oldest politicians at the time and the total budget of his state throughout his tenure was probably lower than what you have just quoted that he stole, which was a rabid nonsense. Ask your daddy again, if he knew, he will tell you that the politicians of that era stole in hundreds or thousand, not in millions as today, due to factors like the Naira power in those days.
The only politician caught at the time with huge sum was Alhaji Barkin Zuwo of Kano and it was hundreds of thousands, not even a million.

melvinjames:
Was Abiola convicted of any looting? I think research would prove he was a business mogul and not a government minister at the time you referred to above.


Since you've done your research, why not prove the verifiable facts above wrong with your own findings?


from NY Times
EXPELLED FOREIGNERS POURING OUT OF NIGERIA By The Associated Press
Published: May 5, 1985

LAGOS, Nigeria, May 4— Thousands of illegal aliens, carrying mattresses, clothing and cooking utensils, poured back across the borders to their homelands today, ordered out by Nigeria's military rulers.

The foreigners had been attracted to Nigeria in part by an oil boom in the 1970's, but now the West African nation has deep economic problems and an increasing crime rate, which it attributes in large measure to the immigrants.
http://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/05/world/expelled-foreigners-pouring-out-of-nigeria-by-the-associated-press.html

Never mind New York times, this is a fact a nursery school pupil in Nigeria should know. It was Shagari's govt that deported the migrants mainly Ghana nationals.

melvinjames:
Was Abiola convicted of any looting? I think research would prove he was a business mogul and not a government minister at the time you referred to above.


Since you've done your research, why not prove the verifiable facts above wrong with your own findings?
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Business mogul, whats that? What does his business produce or manufacture? What services was it that his businesses known for? Only newspaper Concord was his only genuine business, which he setup to fight Awolowo and Tribune and for his presidential ambition under the flag of NPN but was cut down by Umaru Dikko and Shinkafi.
Concord folded when they ban importation of paper print materials. The rest of his business is contracts through ITT and we all knew what that stood for.

chukel:
It would have been nice, op if u had pictures of both the imo and rivers sides of this road for those who haven't seen. Anytime I want to go home, I develop serious headache cos of the deplorable road and what they do my cars which are low. GEJ has simply done nothing in the east and my brothers still sing his praise. This is stupi.dly astonishing. I wish any igbo person who wants to vote GEJ to ply owerri-ph road, aba-ikotekpene, umuahia-akwaibom, okigwe-arondizuogu-nnewi roads. After plying them and still wishes to vote him, may God deal with him accordingly

The last time I used Owerri-Port Harcourt road was two years ago, what the op said without being bias was hundred percent the truth, so I don't know whats obtained now.
But I went through Okigwe-Arondizuogu-Orlu-Nnewi road, fairly recently, and nothing had been done seriously on this death trap since it was first initiated by Shagari's government.
It has become a no go area because robbers use this roads more than any other road in the East as I was told, because they can easily manipulate the slow pace of traffic due to bad state of the road.

melvinjames:
[size=15pt]Why People Jubilated When Buhari Was Overthrown[/size]

Have you always wondered (ask your dad) why people jubilated when Buhari was overthrown in 1985?

Unless your daddy is a liar. The only people that jubilated were crooks always around any government of the day like Abiola. Or pick pockets at Ojuelegba who had been put out of business because orderliness give no room for them to work.

No need to wonder any more, these are some of the reasons people went on the streets after his removal. It took pains for me to research so we can catalogue and list the real reasons he was overthrown. Am sure this would help people my age group who were too young or were not born then.
Here are my findings

In advance environment, most people of your age are well read, researchers and hence better informed and not fed by barber shop gossip and took it as fact.

Soured Nigeria’s relations with Britain and neighbouring countries by ordering the brutal expulsion of 700,000 West African immigrants

This gives credence to what I said above. Because if you have bordered to research, this was done by the Shagari government and that is where the phrase Ghana must go came from.

Descartes:
...when you desecrate the alter of democracy through military coup

Good one. Almost all the current Nigeria so called democrats have in many ways worked with the junta in the years past as ministers, commissioners, contractors etc.
Good point.

This was a discussion I had many many years ago with a Pakistani born Canadian colleague when Zia Ul Haq was in power, which I have noticed in mainly African dictators like Mugabe. Nothing do with any particular individual ruler. Just my indexes of what to see When a ruler is turning into a dictator.

barcanista:
Jonathan can't win, he won't win

Don't be daft, of course he can win. It's a contest. And in contests, the best don't always win, neither does the worst always lose.

ukukaegbu:
Yet when the Nigerian army starts killing Boko Haram, the same America will start shouting human rights abuse.

They never did. They complained about JTF brutality against civilians at their check points inside cities, molesting, intimidating them to collect money by force when they should be in Sambisa forest.

harrysterol:
whenever you start smoking weed

That's a good one. Abacha always seem to be on substance with his dark goggle.

1. When you see your fellow citizens start wearing clothings bearing your images.

2. When you start taking gossips as fact.

3. When you start collecting awards, titles like trophies.

4. Whenever those around you start telling you that you are God sent, annoited and musicians start singing your name in their song as the only messiah.

5. When you start getting paranoid about being out of power.

6. When your wife start to run some pet projects or even a parallel government of her own.

7. Whenever you noticed that everything you said to your aids ends with yes Sir in reply and some start referring you as daddy, papa, baba and your wife as mummy.

8. Whenever you start being suspicious of everybody.

9. Whenever you start feeling that the constitution was wrong or badly written and needs rewriting by you.

10. You start to prefer the Chinese and Russia as best partners and blame the West for everything.

11. You loved big military parades and synchronize matching by school kids and celebrate just about every event.

12. You hated criticism and any sort of opposition.

13. You cannot separate what is private and what is States.
14. Your spokespersons start to act as if they love you more than their mother.

15. Economic forecast over inflation became a Western propaganda.

16. You and your wife's penchant of exuberant luxury in the midst of poverty.

17. You start seeing bad rulers as heroes and court their friendship.

18. Military spending geared towards appeasing their higher hierarchy quadruples that of social spending.

19. The word treason follows every varied opinion of disapproval.

20. All the State owned media become all about you. Your personal images is all over the place on billboards, offices and monuments.

Can you recall any? These are few characteristic of mainly African dictators.

rozayx5:
hope he bought a handkerchief too

You guys make me laugh loud.

coogar:
and which of the hoodlums in that picture is incapable of assassinating a political adversary? look at their murderous faces again and answer my question.

Have you heard about baby face assassin? You cannot identify a murderer by the way he looked. The most kindest person could be the most ugliest person, while the most psychopathic killer could be the best looking guy in the hood. Example is Ted Bundy.
You cannot judge a book by it's cover. If you do, then you still got a great deal to learn about life.

How I hoped and wish that reality will match his confidence. Good luck to him. He will need plenty of it.

fx45:
Trust me 2015 will surely mark the end of Nigeria. Its inevitable and its becoming glaring now. I sincerely hope U'll continue to enjoy Ur romance and new-found love with the North when its all said and done. I can't wait for the pullout... I just can't wait for 2015

How did you make that out? Trust you, you said?

koikoi2:
It is only God who can install a president. All d sai Buhari will not translate to anything gud except God has chosen him in heaven but in this case it's Jonathan dat heaven has chosen.

So the same god of yours installed Buhari in 1984? That god killed Yar Adua in order to install Jonathan I suppose.

We Nigerians can decide to chose Buhari but God has not chosen him.

How does your god does, switch the ballot boxes?

God's decision is final.
Many heads will roll again in 2015.

Make sure you roll out your own head first.

The dogs and d baboons will be soaked in blood again in 2015 but at d end Jonathan will be d president.

Did your god tell you this through email or text messages?

God can allow many fo*lish ppl in d north to die just for Goodluck to be d president of this country.

GEJ till 2019

Now you are more mad than your god.

If the issues raised is true, I cannot say that am slightly surprised.
You idiots started this mindless jingoism of betraying a brother and the rest of the nonsense like Rochas is a sell out, alhaji Ngige or malam Okorocha etc.
This is likely to be one of those made up stories but a good lesson nevertheless.

The way Nigeria politicians govern as if they are running their private enterprise. What law authorized a two weeks of holiday?
How much two weeks holidays with pay will cost and business of public services suspended for two weeks and impact on the state economy?

In the voice of Okupe and the presidency, this list is a hoax and these people does not exist and if they exist they must be paid to be co-workers of GEJ. We need their pictures to verify.

coogar:
jonathan's political machine in full effect....

some igbo leaders have been bribed again. these are people's grandfathers displaying gross ineptitude - the type you would expect from street urchins. pray for these men in church tomorrow, they have mortgaged the souls of their unborn generation for a plate of GEJ's pottage.

Don't talk rubbish.
How Funsho William and Daramola families wished that someone burned a broom than sending them 6 ft under few years ago.
As long as they are not shedding any blood, they can burn as many broom as their dumb heads can handle.

Where did they get the flag? Indirectly funding APC by spending their money buying their item. Dumb bunch.

Specialist900:
That one made bad investment in politics 3 times and failed all 3 shouldn't blame the one who decided to invest wisely na.

If he had kept all his money spent in politics in the bank Shey him for get more than cows now

I need the phone number of his financial adviser, he must be a genius, the sort of yield he is getting him on his investment within four years of having nothing previously.

olatunji21:
Mehn.. Goodluck is Gift personified..He could receive all this as "Gift and Donation" as a deputy Governor i wonder what he get now..

My point exactly. He should have changed his name to charity as he received more gifts than motherless babies homes.

BrosPeter:
Buhari is so poor he couldn't afford his nomination forms, I refuse to believe that. I think he has suceeded in hiding his wealth better than some other rulers.

And he will spend it in the after life?