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agaugust:
You just proved how useless South African military academy is ! You have BSc Military science from a useless country like South Africa.

Reconaissance is done by an entire army using various regiments like regular infantry, armour, and regular recce regiments.

Show me a source that defines reconnaissance as an operation performed only by special forces.

You mean an army armoured corps brigade in a tank battle will not do reconnaissance?

Army mechanized regular infantry IFVs like BTR-4, Patria, Bradley, BMP-3, etc all have reconnaisance versions, so are those IFV for special forces ?

Scorpion tank is a recconnaisance tank belonging to armoured regiments. Do special forces use tanks for reconnaissance?

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/fv101_scorpion.htm

PHOTO : SCORPION RECCE TANK....SANDF MILITARY EDUCATION IS WORSE THAN THAT OF RWANDA

The word reconnaissance has now become so much of a fancy word to be misused by many militaries across the world. Reconnaissance as we come to know it is not the task that is performed by ordinary military forces other than those who have vigorously trained to do it. It is no wonder that you understand that word on the spectrum of civilian milieu because you are a civilian and hardly know anything military. You read about military and whatever you have written ever since the beginning of this forum was largely based on your theory. I have never head you writing anything out of experience.

Reconnaissance and surveillance is a specialised task which happens at the front lines. Special forces carry out such duties. Like it or not.

lionel4power:
the financially strapped SA Air Force (SAAF) is further extending its foreign training commitments with Russia being the latest addition.
A report has it that about 10 pilots from 2 Squadron at AFB Makhado have been selected for further training in Russia. This is a direct outflow of a co-operation agreement signed between the defence ministers of the two countries, Afrikaans weekly Rapport said.

Four pilots are already undergoing training in Cuba and according to SA National Defence Force Chief General Solly Shoke, agreements have also been entered into with the United States and the United Kingdom on various aspects of military training.

At the same time the paper reports the SAAF has experienced more resignations from the ranks of its jet pilots.

“Four of only the handful of jet fighter pilots in the SAAF have resigned leaving the force with three times as many Gripens as qualified pilots for them,” the paper said.

[size=15pt]26 ÷ 3 = 9[/size]



Making matters worse is that two test pilots based at AFB Overberg, home of the Test Flight and Development Centre (TFDC), have not had their contracts renewed.

Against this background it is not surprising the original number of 18 pilots supposed to go to Russia was cut. Another reason for sending fewer jet pilots is cost. South Africa had to pay for travel and living expenses while Russia is carrying the cost of training.

The majority of those going to Russia are qualified pilots but are short of flying hours to build their experience base. The lack of flying hours, also a result of a tight budget, has contributed in no small measure to this.

Pilots at AFB Makhado told the paper their colleagues who resigned had done so because they couldn’t fly. They have apparently joined airlines or companies operating in the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and China.

It appears the group bound for Russia are not going to have an easy time of it. A SAAF officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the Russians had made it clear no time would be wasted on pilots who cannot fly properly.


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41029&catid=111&Itemid=242


SOUTH AFRICAN AIRFORCE TRULY DEAD..... JUST 9 PILOTS

I SHOULD HAVE INSTEAD BEEN MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE SITUATION AT NIGERIAN AIRFORCE WITH VIRTUALLY ZERO FIGHTER JETS. YOU HAD ONLY THREE FIGHTER JETS AND ANOTHER ONE CRASHED.


I NOW WONDER WHO IS NEXT ON THE FLYING CASKET?

agaugust:
All those propaganda liars did not do any military reconnaissance and intelligence gatherings in Bangui, that's why they manufacture figures from 2,000 to even more ridiculous 7,000 Seleka.

French army intelligence report from inside Bangui said between 1,000 to 1,500 Seleka rebels.

Best source from battlefield.

CASE CLOSED.

Seleka was on full strength when they swept the CAR government on a coup. Seleka is an alliance of rebels totalling over 6000 and SA alone took on over 3000 of them when the CAR government troops and peacekeepers force disappeared into thin air. Truly, Djotodia would have never risked to take over Bangui by force with only 1000 militants to face possibly gunship that was patrolling the area, French troops, SANDF troops and CAR government troops.

HandOfChukwu:
Cameroon has just disgraced themselves and caused a million more problems by allowing 300 US troops into their land to "fight Boko Haram", Cameroon is a disgrace to Africa. I thought it was bad enough being a french colony in 2015 and now they are doing this.

They are doing it in the interest of protecting lives other than waiting for too long like how Nigeria did. Lives of citizens comes first.

Patchesagain:
[size=15pt]How does it feel to know that with only 9 Gripen we are still better than the NAF?[/size]

Bwahahaha… Nigeria has no air force. They have only flying coffins.

lionel4power:
southie dondies.... fake special force using wheelbarrow vehicle lol

see rea SFs here... with real SF vehicle with proper protection for the frontlines.

Does the urban setting on the surrounding of those people not telling you that those special forces are doing city raid and urban warfare.

Henry120:
None of them are combat qualified.

What GEN is that?

What makes a pilot combat qualified according to you?

Henry120:
[s]26 Gripens

9 Gripen Pilots

16 years.[/s]

Pathetic!

First batch of gripens were received in 2010 and the last ones in 2012. SANDF has over nine gripen pilots. Hawks and gripens are used as same training platforms.

Henry120:
So, this, as well as Nigerian Army Panhard VBL are Special forces vehicles?

Can you drop that from the air?

Nope.

Henry120:
That's not bangui.

How pathetic

lionel4power:
yet again you exhibit your south african stupid.ity.

try to argue within context

i asked you to give me a combat scenerio where a 'special force vehicle' was used and you come here and start listing wars people fought.

you are very daft

give me a combat scenerio/ combat operation where your 'special force vehicle' was employed.

any country can adapt its vehicle for its own special force use.

The only thing that is left of you is to run mad. I don't believe that you can even understand a thing about what you have wrote there.

lionel4power:
foolish south african exhibiting stupi.dity as usual.

-- when special forces want to go from one place to another they use light armored vehicle to provide protection in direct action, not some wheelbarrow vehicle you are parading up and down.

-- any country can adapt its vehicle to suit its special force needs.

-- show me a combat scenerio where your 'special force vehicle' was utilized.

come recieve free lessons from nigeria illite.rate

What my fellow stupidd Nigerian called Lionel could not think about is "what if there is RPG attacks?" Will lightly armoured closed vehicle provide protection against RPGs. Those wheelbarrows help in such times as mentioned above where the battle is fierce with motar and IEDs. They become useful when operators have to conduct battle formation.

Henry120:
I give it to you, you have completely obliterated these South-Africans.

How can you give your mate such a false statement? You are very cruel.

lionel4power:
fool how do we know that it is actual Bangui mumu.

show us source not pics taken in your backyard

Hornets were deployed on Bangui dammy.

http://beta.iol.co.za/sundayindependent/how-deadly-car-battle-unfolded-1493841

agaugust:
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So, it was only 1,000 Seleka men that uprooted more than 250 SANDF Elite forces.

"President Zuma said just over 200 South African troops had battled more than 1,000 rebel fighters."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-21923624

The SANDF mission was not just to train CAR government troops as claimed, the mission had been expanded to include staying in CAR to protect human lives of that country...so mission was NEVER accomplished and a total failure !

" It remains for Minister Mapisa-Nqakula and President Zuma to explain how the diplomatic note figures in the extension of the MoU and the deployment of the South African troops, who would come under rebel fire three months later.

The diplomatic notes provide for the ‘reinforcement of the South African Contingent for self-defence, protection of property and saving of human lives in Bangui’. The expanded scope of cooperation to include – self-defence, protection of property and saving of human lives."

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2013-04-18-car-debacle-da-gunning-for-zuma/#.Vh1gT_lViko

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Seleka Rebels involved over 3000 men to sweep the government of Bozize out of power by force. Djotodia would have never risk to face CAR government troops on the capital Bangui with only 1000 men. He made admission that he had another 3000 men who would have faced SA troops if need be.

agaugust:
No you do NOT !

The Hornet of Wasp vehicle is NOT a special forces designed vehicle, it is just an ordinary reconnaissance vehicle built for any military that likes to use them, SANDF just decided to use it for your special forces....

[size=13pt] Hornet is NOT a special forces purpose built vehicle - Confirmed ! [/size]

"The Wasp rapid deployment reconnaissance vehicle developed in 2003 produced by BAE Land Systems OMC and to satisfy the requirements for a light airborne rapid deployment vehicle.

In April 2008 the Wasp was chosen by the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) for use by their special forces in covert operations as an air-droppable vehicle. The South Africans ordered 25 of these out of a total requirement for 40 vehicles.

The vehicle is known as the Hornet by the South Africans."

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/baewasp/

Fake SA Special Forces vehicle
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By using the word recconaissance you have already compromised your argument because there is only one division in the armed forces trained to carry out recce duties and that's special forces.

That vehicle can also be dropped down the plane with a parachute, something which ordinary soldiers cannot do or even Nigerian special forces cannot do. Lol!!

Hornet is a rapid deployment vehicle which can only tell you that no ordinary forces utilise rapid deployment vehicles but only special forces. Fake military researcher.


YOU LOSE!!!

agaugust:
13 hour battle by about 50 SF men, 6 killed while running away from Seleka. Bangui was a disaster for Southie SF.

So all you have in the past 20 years is 13 hours battle experience and it was a defeat

The medals you gave them is for their Olympic running speed to the airport seeking French army protection.

Lies will not do you any good. It will only seek to undermine the integrity and reliability of this forum.

agaugust:
6 Special forces soldiers of South Africa were killed by Seleka you liar !

"The Beeld reported on Tuesday that beyond the official toll of those injured, killed and missing, six special forces operators were also killed in the fighting."


South African special forces were said not to have fought according to @Andrewza because all 13 men who died and were named are paratroopers not SF https://www.facebook.com/CHUTESYSTEMS/posts/10151489647766773

This proves the Seleka story that more than 13 SANDF troops dies, actually over 50 died.

South African Beeld news report above also confirms this, saying apart from official list of 13 dead Parabats, another 6 dead special forces were not publicly named.

The SF could have been killed while running away to avoid a fight with Seleka.

Even if they did fight, the only fact we know is that either fleeing or fighting Seleka, SA special forces got beaten up blue black by local farmers turned rebels with no military training

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In your dreams!!!!!


All casualty sustained is attributed to 44 parachute batallion. All 15 soldiers killed were paratroopers not special forces brigade operators.

Confirmed by government sources.

lezz:
So that's your special forces vehicle? Bangui?
You're an organic waste! !!! Get out!!!

You have been beaten hands down.

I can never be defeated by Nigerian intellectually.


YOU LOSE!!!!

lezz:
patch up your leaking emotions, phoney pilot. I haven't even started with you and you're already squealing like pig who lost his mom.

Lionel asked you to back your claims by providing a source where S.A has deployed your so called SF vehicles in combat and you have failed.

You represent the backwater educational reality of South Africa. Dummy dum_dum

Bwahahahahahaha… how pathetic are you?


In the battle of Bangui, SA special forces deployed hornets and they were involved in the direct action on the front lines of a fiece battle, Dammy. I enjoy it when I always crash Igbo's flat head


Hornet as seen in Bangui.

lezz:
Please give up the special forces horse_shit. Lionel has totally hammered you to coma. You're a dummy.

Next topic, idiota.

Lionel is as illiterate as the whole Nigeria. How will one blind man ever guide another? You are as well a lay person in military equipments.

Your illiterate mate as I tested him could not tell a simple answer that SF vehicle is a collective term used to describe rapid deployment reconnaissance vehicle and LA tactical vehicles. Nigeria does not have any of such specialised vehicles other than they converted what was not initially meant for such from various platforms many which were civilian vehicles.

These so called Nigerias SF vehicles looks exactly like my double cap except that mine is a later model called Legend 45.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2952507_slide11_jpegb7a84e5ea189e4e1429c0cbc858ecd50


https://image.cars.co.za/image/upload/t_large/v3/carsimages/909226.jpg

agaugust:
American Predator drones crash.

SAAF has no drone....or you tell us the name ?

You have only one drone left and it is also patiently waiting to crash as well as always.

agaugust:
Nigerian bullet entered your ribs....sorry o !

Those vehicles are not SF vehicles. They are luxury vans with soft skins

Bwahahahaha…

Oosh!!! My ribs, my legs feel so numb.

agaugust:
You are posting old 1980s photos of ancient, dead, retired, or wheel chair ridden sick old men of Apartheid era .

Will dead soldiers fight for you today? The few blacks among them are NOT even South Africans, they are mercenary Angolans, Rhodesians, and Mozambicans who supported apartheid regime against ANC, MPLA, FRELIMO. Are they in your military today? 2015

Show us your South African SF of today with combat experience
.

Current SA special forces killed over 600 Seleka rebels and suffered zero casualty.

They further went on to DRC and stormed out with a recorded sniper kill in history.

What an experience!!!

agaugust:
LOL....your own photos kill y.our argument

Those vehicles are not any specially built special forces vehicles, or can you tell us their special names ?

They are simply variants of infantry Humvees, Toyotas, Jeeps, Landrovers, etc.

Funny your last American SF photo below shows a distant ATV in the photo, Nigeria has it, you dont have in SA ! The nearer vehicle in the same photo painted brown is nothing but a simple Toyota Hilux kind of vehicle with guns on it Nigeria has it in the second photo below painted green.

Nigeria has thousands of open body Toyota 4x4 including the ones with armour despite being open.

We have all you have, and we have extra and more, we have a large variety of vehicles our SF can choose from....LAV and ATV, open or covered, armoured or soft skin.

Best equipped SF multiple variety vehicle fleet in Africa is that of Nigeria. No rival from Cape Town to Cairo.

Nigeria compare with America NOT South Africa !
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Stop killing us with laughter please.

Eish!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaa…

My ribs!!!

agaugust:
SAAF has NO drone.
SANDF only has a short range old fashioned obsolete drone with ZERO weapons.
NAF has guided missile armed drones with anti-tank capability. We are 50 years ahead of you.

Yet you saw them in pictures. Bwahaha…

Make no mistake, they are old fashioned but they don't crash.

agaugust:
American and European jets crash in bad stormy weather
F-7 crash was NOT in air combat with another jet.
The F-7 crashed due to heavy wind storm during a slow landing after returning from successful combat mission.
Any light jet can be stalled by heavy wind storm when the jet has slowed down to land. The storm was so heavy it carried the F-7 pilot away with his parachute after successful ejection, he was swept by wind force into a tree and that tells how heavy the storm was.
A Gripen or F-16 jet would have suffered same fate at landing in heavy storm, no jet has immunity to that.
Not a combat loss, F-7 good to kill a Gripen if it comes to combat. Fighting against forces of nature/weather, both jets will perish.
"He made a similar statement as the Air Force that the crash could have been caused by bad weather, saying there was heavy windstorm in the area. We saw the pilot parachuting out of the jet but he could not land safely as he lost control and rammed into a tree as a result of the heavy windstorm leading to his instant death. In a statement on Saturday, the spokesperson of the Air Force, Dele Alonge, said the aircraft crashed at about 4:23 p.m. Nigerian time due to bad weather."
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/191358-how-nigerian-fighter-jet-crashed-witness.htmlhttp://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/191358-how-nigerian-fighter-jet-crashed-witness.html
PHOTO : GRIPEN JET CRASH WHILE LANDING....EVEN IN GOOD WEATHER, GRIPEN JET CRUMBLES INTO PIECES WHILE LANDING !

F7 is.generally a bad fighter tagged flying casket or coffins.

lionel4power:
keep your useless lesson.
your post reeks of illiteracy.
well if im trying to influence people with my one-dimesional views why dont you provide a counter-view. or your useless brain cant come up with anything.
-- i ask you again provide a source where a 'special force vehicle' has been used, since south Africans owns one it shouldnt be difficult.

Well!! It is no secret that Nigeria has a high level of illiteracy in Africa and you subsequently you succumbed and became a victim yourself.

Dummy read this source and educate yourself about primary and secondary tasks of the special forces.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Special_Forces


When it comes to the use of vehicle, you sound very foolish because special forces use vehicles when they want to get from one to another in a force battle. They have been doing it for ages on the direct action with the enemy.

lionel4power:
your idiocy is overwhelming... what trash did you just spit out here? are you trying to re-design special forces?


so special forces now needs to heavy firepower? then what is the job of regular infantry.

-- when seal teams killed osama bin laden in battle of tora bora did they use 'special force vehicles'?

-- when ISIS leader Abu sayyaf was killed by american special forces in Syria did they use 'special force vehicle'?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/top-isis-leader-abu-sayyaf-5707626

-- when russian special forces killed Aliaskhab Kebekov, also known as Ali Abu Mukhammad in the caucasus did they use 'special force vehicles'?
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/islamic-terrorist-leader-killed-in-caucasus-say-russian-authorities/519363.html

-- when US army SF killed Zafar the leader of al-Qaeda in northern Iraq, did they use 'special force vehicles'?
http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Capture-Operations-Notorious-Terrorist-ebook/dp/B00447822I

-- when Nigerian special forces killed shekau I, II, III did they use 'special forces vehicles'?

-- and countless hostage rescues around the world was 'special force vehicle' used?

-- i asked you to define 'special forces vehicle' and you have not said anything.

-- now tell me one mission that special forces vehicle was actually used fool, idiot, illiterate.


your idiocy is becoming annoying. useless illiterate southie...

That is truly cherry-picking exercise to influence people to believe your one dimensional views. Special forces have various tasks and are not only restricted or limited to clandenstine or secret missions only.


Bin laden was killed on a stealth or clandenstine mission. Special forces perform various tasks including supporting firepower at the front ranks. That's why their specialised vehicles are always armed to the teeth with rockets and heavy machine guns. You should pay me for giving you these lessons.

Lastly, Shekau was never killed by Nigerian special forces because they never existed. Nigeria special forces have less than one year of existence. They were officially established late last year and became fully functional this year 2015.

DictatorZAR:
Later the NL clown augubugu will come and claim they posses the best jet fighter squadron in the hole sub sahara and there relic cold war 1960's F-7 flying coffins can take out a Gripen on any day.

I remember that he told us Nigeria has never had any F7 crashes in the past three years and will never have any in the near future. F7s are unreliable indeed.

agaugust:
ANALYSING SOUTH AFRICAN AIRFORCE PIECE BY PIECE.


DID ANYONE EVER SEE SOUTH AFRICAN AIR FORCE WITH ANY DRONE AT ALL ?

IF YOU DID SEE THEM, PLEASE ATTACH A PICTURE.

We used drones many years ago when Nigeria was just a small bush during the border war and we still use drones to this day.


Hope it will make you peace at last.