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lionel4power:
- let me assume that you have brain (at my own peril).
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- do you know that there is no clear notion of a 'special force vehicle'? its just concept. and its a recent concept.

-the SAS which we all agree is the originator of this concept, used ordinary willy's jeep airdropped from bombers in north African theater.

-anybody can decide to adapt ANY VEHICLE in its inventory to suit the airborne role since there is no clear understanding of this type.

-if you special force team is spotted by mortar squad, then you've screwed up big time.

-if you have to engage RPG team then your not really special forces. because special forces are known for stealth.

- maybe you should understand that being a South African makes you traditionally dumb.

- tanks we know, IFV we know, APC we know, Armoured cars we know, MRAP we know. please define 'special force vehicles'.

maybe u should reexamine your head.

You are indeed a mad man and sorry I can't help. You really don't know what is a special force vehicle.

Special forces vehicles were produced for a combat and not for Stealth or clandestine operation. They were designed for heavy firepower support at the front ranks where missile, mortar, IED, RPG is possible. Special forces train daily on those vehicles on various battle formation of jumping in and out those vehicles even when the vehicle travels at high speed.

It is truly not a favour to be born a nigerian, no wonder your nation has never produced anything to the world other than 419.

agaugust:
Why should a Cobra be open all round when it has many side and rear windows/firing ports for SF to use in firing individual rifles? Dummy.

Only a foolish soldier like you thinks the best thing to do for special forces is to put them in an OPEN VEHICLE with ZERO PROTECTION and no single bullet proof cover so that even a 10 year old boy will kill all your SF with simple AK-47 rifle.

American special forces have thousands of SF Humvees fully covered and armoured, http://usamilitaryposters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/SEALSV12-800.jpg

Only SANDF has NO SINGLE light armoured vehicle for your Southie army or special forces, your SF get killed like houseflies

Nigeria has VBL, Cobra, Igirigi, Spartan LAV with 100% all round bullet proof cover for our SF and regular infantry.

https://i0.wp.com/oi59.tinypic.com/9qfbmc.jpg

If we want to use open vehicles, Nigeria has many types and sizes of small 4x4 ATV and those are not even available in South African SF units, you lack mixed vehicles, multipurpose vehicles, amphibious vehicles, you lack many things that Nigerian SF have.

[size=13pt] Show us your own ATV.... [/size]
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Bwahahaha… agaugust tell me are you really a military researcher? Judging by the level of your reasoning. How will all those vehicle ever be adopted for special ops if they have so many weaknesses? They are too small to the size of a lawn mower motor. Obviously, have low speed as well and also hardly have any bullet proof skin and are clearly meant for light duty to be used around the base carrying out logistic duties.

Stop kidding us with your ignorance and admit for once that you don't have special forces vehicles.

ssaengine:
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/191358-how-nigerian-fighter-jet-crashed-witness.html

Another Nigerian F-7 has fallen out of the sky. How many crashes is it now? 4?

Flying coffins.

Recently the Bangladeshi F7 also came down rolling to the ground. Any country that would ever buy F7 and JF17 will surely have history to tell.

http://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/bangladesh-air-forces-f-7-fighter-aircraft-crashes/articleshow/47865020.cms

lionel4power:
dumb fool so there's a requirementt? is it your father that made the those requirement. you do knw that every country can adapt its vehicles for its own purpose and the otokar cobra is a multipurpose armoured vehicle.
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now what do you understand by 'multipurpose' my boy?

I won't discuss military with chancers anymore. You clearly do not understand the difference between special forces vehicles and cobra. How will you ever escape mortar attacks with closed vehicle like cobra or even have your forces jump out of the vehicle in case of RPG attacks?

The supercat HMT special forces vehicle is good but is not for rapid deployment. That's one thing I don't like it for.



http://www.armyrecognition.com/april_2012_new_army_military_defence_industry/british_company_supacat_selected_for_australian_special_operations_vehicle_with_hmt_extenda_2304121.html

lionel4power:
no your the person not understanding the concept here.

the otokar cobra is a multipurpose utility vehicle. air-transportable and fast. can be air-dropped and all round protected.

perfect for insertion.

Damn man, cobra can never be used as operators specialised vehicle because it does not meet the requirements. It is just only good for the army dummy. It is not open.

lionel4power:
what are you saying? can your hornet protect troops from anti tanks? the cobra has all round protection from all calibers of personal and squad served weapons.

There you go again comparing apples with oranges. Hornet is for special forces and is not designed for a sole purpose of providing protection, rather for manuevrable offensive that requires operators to jump in and out of vehicle during heavy fire support. Compare VBL to ratel or any IFV and not Hornet because they are completely not on the same class.

lionel4power:
light, fast, air-deployable and amphibious.

all hail the Nigerian military.

Amphibious vehicles comes with a hefty price to pay. They are a lot riskier and do not use enough armour to protect your troops from anti-tank rounds. AK47 rounds can pierce it like it was just made of fibre glass especially when the enermy can catch it crossing the river or lake

agaugust:
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Nigerian VBL is FULLY AMPHIBIOUS.....let us see your Hornet do amphibious crossing with your SF troops drowning in the river or lake

Our VBL can be used to drop our SF many kilometers off coast line and swim the sea to land and drive to target area WITHOUT NEED OF A BOAT like your submarine deployed SF who will have ZERO access to land vehicle transport....I guess that carry MILAN anti-tank missile launchers across water too and get it soaked wet and kill all the electrical components [code][/code]
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Hornet and cobra are two different vehicles which are used for different purposes. Your practice is now tantamount to comparing apples with oranges. Hornet was purposefully designed for special forces and VBL is just an IFV. With VBL you cannot maneuver and jump in and out in offensive mode. It means you will remain trapped inside for the rest of your trip. VBL is only good for ordinary traditional forces.

agaugust:
[s]Your police go to war where armies fight? SA police surrendered to Zimbabwean guma guma gangs of armed robbers in your own homeland.

I agree with you, lets not talk about dead or retired old men apartheid recces because they are bygone history, old relics of a forgotten boer white-man's colonial era

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I proved you wrong or do you want me to prove you wrong again?

Under administration of Mbeki police worked border patrol duties for four years and under the interim president Motlanthe there was a shift of policy. SAPS never ran away and the knife carrying gumma gumma which does not exist by now will never make our police run like your soldiers when they were pursued by BH to Cameroon.


Change of policy as to who will take over patrol duties between SAPS and SANDF.

http://www.bdlive.co.za/articles/2008/04/24/saps-upbeat-on-zimbabwe-border-patrol

https://www.issafrica.org/iss-today/sandf-back-to-the-borders

agaugust:
[s]Stop the habit of striking out or strikingthrough other people's comments, let the world read what you are replying to and behave like an adult, or you have inferiority complex when you read what Nigerian's write?

1. HALO jump is an old ancient basic parachute jump you dunce, even a Ghanaian paratroop can do it.

2. Deploy from submarines to attack targets how many miles away? Walk through enemy territory how many miles? How many SF battle theaters have ocean deep enough for submarine insertion? How does coming out of a submarine make an SF fight better than the one dropped by stealth speed boat like a Nigerian X-38 combat catamaran? Any submarine insertion done by SF around the world in the last 20 years? Like your submarine deploys SF inside Arabian desert or Congolese jungle, or land locked C.A.R Bangui with no ocean access or coastline? Fool.

3. Citation for SF foot insertions? Like how, they don't travel on foot or what? Who has details of any SF operation, usually secret though.

4. VBL beats Hornet, VBL is fully amphibious and all round armour protection. Hornet cannot swim and is open on all sides for Boko Haram to use AK-47 rifle to kill off all Southie SF troops one by one from long distance away, not to talk of a GPMG machine gun fire 1 km away wasting all your special forces like mosquitoes.

5. Shekau I is different from II and III, yes we killed I by SF insertion into Sambisa forest.

6. SA-7 Strela MANPAD has 4.5 km altitude, it will kill a 2km altitude helicopter you dunce!

Starstreak is piece of crap with max 1 km altitiude.

7. RPG HEAT kills tanks at good range, SF skill can do that. Mostly, SF are not meant to fight against tanks, they are mobile, light, quick action and quick extraction forces or covert and undetected if deployed for long tour in area of ops. By the time enemy tanks are seeing your SF, their mission is getting busted and wasted, they have lost cover and cover blown off means enemy troops reinforcement, getting outnumbered, getting killed .

Milan is heavy and needs two men to operate even if they can carry about, a burden for SF who wants to be light and mobile without vehicle in a bush, forest, or clustered urban terrain where foot work is essential for operation. Fire one Milan, enemy locates you, try run away, must abandon missile launcher, no time to dismantle and carry pieces, the man with RPG HEAT operates it alone and can flee after launch with ease, his RPG is light for one man and carried like a rifle. SF are not specialty tank killers.

8. SANDF Brigadier denied the sniper record kill and has killed the fake story, CASE CLOSED by your own army HQ.

9. Current South African special forces have ZERO battle experience, the whole world passes so called skill down to new recruits, yet every man must fight his own war and prove himself, until blood and bullets begin to flow in battle we don't know who is going to run away. Lat time I checked, South African special forces did not fire one bullet against Seleka rebels, they ran to French army base to hide in the airport, they ran faster than even the SANDF parabats, your SF of today was a FAILURE ON THE DAY OF TEST AND BATTLE in Bangui.

10. SA is now past history and bygone story when it comes to. special forces, dead old apartheid recces won't fight for you today 2015.

See a loaded VBL when fully armed...and amphibious too

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Your special forces do not have history to write home about nor any experience to talk about. You are just making a fool of yourself to ever compare your 9month old special forces to SA special forces which have trackable history and experience.

Nigeria's special forces were established late in 2014. They never even had considerable encounter with BH. Inexperienced indeed.

infants fitting into BIG SHOES. Let's rather talk about their history after 30 years.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/168110-nigeria-to-establish-special-forces-brigade-to-counter-boko-haram.html

agaugust:
Jumping from helicopters is done even by police men in civilian riots, it's a piece of cake for any special forces even that of Cameroon.

C-130 jumps, with or without parachute? No parachute on land means death, with parachute is common drill for even paratroops of Ghana.

Picking up special forces by submarines? Even when the operation area is in the desert, city, or jungle/bush? How many submarine special forces operations are going on around the world today against ISIS or Taliban?

Nigeria has helicopter/aircraft deployable/parachute deployable light armoured fully amphibious vehicles far superior to the Hornets used by South Africa, your vehicles are open and unprotected, ours are Panhard VBL with all round armour protection and amphibious water swimming capability, your Southie special forces hornet vehicle cannot cross has ZERO full amphibious swim capability, your equipment is inferior.

500 km walk, who goes around measuring how many round trips Nigerian SF have made in North East zone, you followed them around? Even BIR of Cameroon are a standard SF that are physically fit to walk all the distance they need, it's basic SF stamina training worldwide.

Our SF don't need Startstreak SAM with only 1km max ceiling, foolish missile. Nigeria uses SA-7 and Blowpipe MANPAD with better max ceiling than your disappointing Starstreak that cannot reach enemy helicopter flying at 2km and shooting the brains out of South Afriacan SF men.

Record sniper kill? It was denied by your SANDF army Brigadier General, your only written data source is Wikipedia that anybody can edit and post false information. Your sniper record kill is fake.

SADF Recces of old, relics of a 30 years ago war, are retired or dead.

The new South African special forces of ANC loyalists are mostly hungry blackmen recruited jobless from Soweto slums, and have ZERO war experience in their lives, you have special forces who have NEVER killed a human being in their lives, they even failed to fight Seleka, they were the first to escape to French army base at Bangui airport.

Nigeria has the most trained and battle tested, proven and effective Special forces in all of Africa today. Nobody compares to us.

We don't compare our recces with infants.

agaugust:
How many operations require special forces to deploy by submarines? Will you deploy commandoes by submarine in desert, bush, jungle warfare, or in urban warfare where the target is far interior on land? Most special forces operations are by high speed boats, warships, land vehicle and aircraft deployment, or did USA navy seals sail by submarine to kill Osama Bin Laden?

What ancient 30 year history of special forces combat does SANDF have? All those white men of those days are old, retired, and dead apartheid era special forces that no longer exist to fight for South Africa, so stop posting past by gone glory here, the current majorly black men South African special forces are fresh recruits from Soweto townships with ZERO war experience in their lives.

Nigeria has many thousands of currently active special forces who have been fighting on battlefield, for the past 10 years from navy SBS in Niger Delta war to Army SF and air force SF who have killed thousands of enemies on the battlefield of North East war where we killed Shekau I deep inside his forest stronghold.

Show us who is able to match Nigerian special forces REAL WAR EXPERIENCE in Africa today !

9 month old special forces paraded as the best in Africa. What a mediocrity!!!!

THE WORD COMMANDOS WAS COINED IN SOUTH AFRICA AND THATS WHERE IT STARTED, NOT IN AMERICA OR EUROPE. RIGHT HERE IN SOUTH AFRICA IN 1900s.

Henry120:
"The 3rd Marine Commando
was stretched across a vast area of
jungle and riverain creeks called the
“southern front” extending 150 miles
from the Orashi river through Owerri,
Aba and Ikot Ekpene to Itu along the
Cross-River.
Amphibious landings by the Nigerian
marines led by Major Isaac Adaka Boro
captured the Niger Delta cities of
Bonny, Okrika and Port Harcourt on 26
July 1967. The Bonny landing of July
1967 was hailed as the first such
operation by any Third World country.
The 3 Marine Commando landing at
Bonny was the first large scale
amphibious operation planned and
executed by the Nigerian Armed Forces."

Everyone then enjoyed the honour of calling himself a commando irrespective of whether he met the requirements or not. Even at amateur level of football you encounter Rinaldos, Messi, etc. Nigerian so called commandos was more of a name than the training they received and certainly none of them could show any skill of a highly trained operator let alone sky diving.

Does henry even know that historically all African armed forces never made use of special forces because they could not afford the kind of training that produces a fully qualified special operator, but except only one country and that was South Africa. SA from the beginning was more of a European than African and used to measure every of their progress in accordance with European standard.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…

You won't believe this. In fact Nigeria's special forces are only one year old as in 2015 having established in 2014.

Way younger than my four year old son.

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/168110-nigeria-to-establish-special-forces-brigade-to-counter-boko-haram.html

Henry120:
The 3rd commando regiment have been in action since 1967, they saw active action led by then Gen. Olusegun Obasanjo in the Nigerian civil war.

Nigeria's special forces is 4 years old and I can prove you wrong if you want to.

Do you even know where the word "commando" come from?

Ask the whole world and even the best commandos in the world about who is the best in tracking the enemy. Who has the skill to read the tracks and tell how many people were there and what direction they went. The same technique that was used to track Boko haram in Nigeria without technological equipments, only by just the art that was leant from our fore fathers, our forebears. The art that various special forces across the world came to learn from us.

Henry120:
Dictatorzoo!!! The SANDF does not have an advanced seal delivery vehicle.
You cannot compare the level of training Nigerian Special forces undergo to the rudimentary training your special forces receive.
Nigerian forces are Air, Sea, Land, Swamp, Creek, Desert and underwater compliant. They are heads and shoulders the best trained and experienced soldiers on the continent.
Dictatorzoo, you cannot in one had want to claim Apartheid army achievements and on the other hand vilify the Apartheid regime as despotic and un-African.
ATGMs are nothing. Nigerian special forces have dedicated transport and assault helo assets.
Why don't you beat that?

If you know your military history very well you will come to know indisputably that SANDF has the best special forces in Africa that even surpass those of Egypt. Go and ask your commanders about the recces. You can never compare your 4 year old special forces to the recces that have been existing for over 40 years

Henry120:
Congratulations!


You immature, illiterate sh*t-head, so a lady actually agreed to get married to you and bore you a son........ That's wonderful!

Congrats!

Am I wrong to say that your special forces are not even over four years old?

Henry120:
Who is better?


Who is better trained, better equipped or better experienced than Nigerian Special Forces soldiers on this continent?

SA special forces

Egyptian Special forces

Algerian Special forces

Ethiopian special forces.

Zim special forces and the list is endless.

Nigerian special forces are not even older than my four year old son. Your special forces are even inferior to just a handful of soldiers that Eeben Barlow trained.

agaugust:
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AFRICA'S BEST EXPERIENCED, best armed, best equipped, best trained, the special forces of Nigeria !
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According to agaugust and not according to the world. Special forces only become the best when they were facing an experienced well armed enermy that is highly trained to the world standard. Boko does not satisfy any of those descriptions and requirements. I hope it would suffice to say your special forces are only best to the level of Boko haram.

agaugust:
Any report published that does not favour SANDF is written by an enemy according to your own opinion.

What then about THIZA's article saying Nigerian army is worse equipped than Boko Haram, that one is good to post here and correct info?

My point exactly. Maynier is officially an opposition to the current government. Do you expect him to say anything positive? Nope. He will mislead the public with wrong information especially the likes of agubugibu.

agaugust:
"David Maynier, the shadow Minister of Defence and Military Veterans told IRIN that the South African police had "raised the white flag" on their attempt to impose border security. "

http://www.irinnews.org/report/89262/south-africa-troops-reinforcing-a-porous-and-dangerous-border

white flag = surrender .

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Maynier a "shadow" as he calls himself, is nothing in the government. His primary duty is to criticise the government as the member of the opposition DA. The man does not even sit on the cabinet meetings, he is nobody and we just don't have shadow minister in defence. We don't salute him.

He does not know the simple basics that the police were withdrawn from the border patrol duty as the crime was becoming a problem more into the interior. That duty was then transferred to SANDF again as it had been before it was hijacked by the police during Thabo Mbeki administration. Maynier is as drunk as agubugibu.

http://www.bdlive.co.za/articles/2008/04/24/saps-upbeat-on-zimbabwe-border-patrol

https://www.issafrica.org/iss-today/sandf-back-to-the-borders

agaugust:
The beanies are all army green colour hats and standard issue of NA, so are green cotton sweaters, green camo T-shirts and pants, all are army green official issue and standard for all men in service. Only 3 or less men among 300 have private jacket on top their army camo and that is not in a combat zone of engagement. They will pull off those, only a fool will go into battle with a red color jacket, even his mates won't allow him to do it and expose them to enemy visibility. Show me a Nigerian soldier in fighting engagement wearing red jacket in combat.

Thanks for admitting that some of your men showed high level of indiscipline by mixing uniform with the private clothes. Perhaps it was a standard issue as well to assist when tactical retreat is considered.

agaugust:
The original argument was Nigeria Vs SA as usual.

My point is did I put SA in that equation?

iblawi:
Just as our debt is far lower than yours dondi. Have you ever considered your debt before posting rubbish.

Have you even considered our revenues before you posted rubbish.

agaugust:
None is wearing private clothes, Nigerian army issues many types of different clothing for various needs of soldiers in various conditions.

Those bennies and other items they have worn are purely for private business.

Well said!!! Like you've put it, it really does not need a ruler. They have been issued with private clothes for various needs like when the heat is too much to bear it shouldn't take them more time to just convert to civilians and run away. Bwahaha…

agaugust:
Same way they have more than South Africa too.

Did I ever put SA on that equation?

agaugust:
Stop telling lies against me dude !

It was your Southie guy Patches who was repeatedly posting photos of Nigerian troops in Konduga without helmet, claiming they were in a red zone, whereas the men were marching just outside their base on a long trip to engage the enemy, so they took off their helmets where it was still safe.

I explained many times to Patches but he kept insisting that the location where even the Vice News Journalist took off his own helmet too is a red zone, who can go into danger of bullets without helmet, does that make any sense?

When you fellow Southies start a foolish argument you will not correct them at that time, buy when Nigerians hit back, you say we started it.

You liar.

But why were they wearing private clothes mixed with uniform? Or is it just normal to them?