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Here under is a list of all products and services delivered by Denel, thus, we cannot wrongfully claim that 90% of their focus is on producing small arms.

http://www.denel.co.za/products_services.html

agaugust: ..@fighter pilot, @msauza, @paniki, etc

see guys, i said DENEL does not produce any of the heavy weapon platforms on south african europan made weapons importation list i posted yesterday. simple.

a weapon platform is what is used to launch a bullet, bomb, rocket, or missile.

i did my research well, and i am very correct to say 90% of DENEL made waepons are light weapons like R4 rifle of which almost half a million have been produced. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R4_assault_rifle

how many G6 artillery guns did DENEL produce ? about 150 units. how many umhkonto missiles ? tell us now

stop deceiving yourselves. without the heavy weapon platforms made in europe and imported to south africa, almost all DENEL made weapons/ammunition/ordnance will be useless.

how will DENEL A-Darta missile be fired without British Hawk jet or Swedish Gripen jet ?

how will DENEL umhkonto missile be fired without German Type 209 submarine ?

how will Rooivalk helicopter fly without French engine ?

how will Badger IFV move without Finland's engine/chasis ?

the list is long so dont waste my precious time. all you south africans are just a bunch of over-bloated egoistic mofos that believe DENEL is an army in itself, sorry o, DENEL is a company with civilian staff.

anyway, Morocco is now ranked above southy africa with its new $4 billion weapons, over 50 latest versions of F-16 jets, powerful FREMM multi-purpose frigate with 180km range new Exocet anti-ship missiles, 330,000 man army of regular and reserves with 20 years combat experience....

these countries can invade and defeat or stalemate south africa at home as at today year 2013

Egypt
Algeria
Morocco

these countries can invade and stalemate south africa at home by year 2014

Nigeria
Angola


this is Angola's army in actyion below !


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"Small weapons are produced on large quantity by any weapon manufacturing company. Remember every soldier has to carry assault rifle, but you are wrong because 80% of Denel's profit does not come from small arms and 80% of their work is not about producing small arms".

South Africa is 100% better than Nigeria who are importing almost everything from abroad to the extent that they even ignore local weapon manufacturers.

Europe and America are the biggest importers of South African weapons and in reverse, I hope you will direct those questions you poised above the same way you did to us.

We developed our own cheetah which could have been used to mount SA made missiles

With our weak engine we could have taken Rooivalk to the skies as it had always been the case before the french were invited.

The Badger could simply be replaced by our ancient rattle

Now, tell me where would the likes of Egypt, Nigeria, Ethiopia, etc be without their foreign made weapons?

Take all those weapons from them and they will all be defeated by South Africa in minutes. We will reign Africa.

Here under, the G5, South Africas engineering and construction company built two power stations in Akwa Ibom and Abia state respectively. This is indeed, a coincidence, BIG Brains allowing small brains to help them construct power station. The skill that the whole 180 million populated country could have.

http://www.southafrica.info/business/success/g5power-111207.htm

CraigB: This is all you have in terms of malls worth even looking at.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shopping_malls_in_Nigeria

2005 - first time you monkeys laid eyes on anything resembling a mall.

So, what did you have before South Africa washed you up?

Still- you remain subpar. 180 million people. 9 subpar malls.

Do you even know they couldn't have ATM until 2005? Courtesy of South Africans. This is too sad, we are building Nigeria, while their brothers down here are destroying South Africa with drugs. Now tell me who is having small brains?

agaugust: yes you do sir. tell me which south african school you attended because your 33% brain cannot read a short english essay and understand without the aid of photos, videos and diagrams

QUOTE :

Marianne Patricia Challens ,·

Hair and Skin Care at Beauty Advisor.

"Observation as a foreign wife from south Africa I just had to say few things , we are not prostitutes most of us are well brought up hard working supportive and submissive wife's to your brothers here , we heard such a lot of crap said about us in so many , many papers that's its sounding like a heap of discrimination , we cant help it if other South Africans act like assholes to other black brothers and sisters from other countries , i was never raised that way a lot of us are not what people do is stereo type people , just because someone got married for papers does not mean all do, just because few foreign wives are loose does not mean we all are ,right there in your own country those very things take place where young men marry older well of women ,many prostitutes are wife's in homes now too.

the south african woman said your claim is a lie, she said majority of south african women who marry nigerians are NOT prostitutes.

she was talking to nigerians on that forum and she said...even in your country (nigeria) women prostitutes are now married women in homes, NOT south africa. if i insult you now i will get banned by nairaland auto-moderator, but you deserve insults, yet i will not call you a m.oronic half brain mofo even though you just proved yourself to be one today


http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/03/south-african-women-married-to-nigerians-stage-protest-aganist-discrimination/

In that way let them not enjoy drugs money with their husbands. We have no problem if they marry them, but they must advice them to stop selling drugs to our children because we love our children and we will do whatever it takes to protect them.

chris365: wrong. The brainless maggots are reaping from the foundation laid by the founding fathers of SA of today (the dutch).

Thhe brainless maggots have turned south african military and police to the latest joke of the century.

The brainless maggots are the current generation that attend two beautiful universities and still have nothing to show for it (craigbitch, msauza)

you didn't build south africa, you don't run south africa. I will reveal the brains that still run SA and to my knowledge they've carved out a seperate autonomous state for themselvs. You are brainless maggots.

As if white people never colonised Nigeria as well. Shame!!

agaugust: well @THIZA, sorry i have to dissappoint you again, about 90% of DENEL manufactured weapons are light weapons and those cannot win you a war against powerful countries like Egypt, Nigeria, Algeria, Ethiopia, and Morooco.

no competent military academy in the world will tell you that a country will defeat another in war just because it manufactures more weapons than the enemy. Ethiopia can fight and defeat South Africa without importing any more weapons today, because they have better soldiers and officers with many years battle experience ans unbeaten war records.

i want to settle this your matter finally today.

see my boy, war is won by heavy weapons and not all these small small DENEL toys like grenade launcher, R4 rfle, radar, ingwe missile, etc that you psot here. you need heavy firepower platforms like jet fighters, tanks, warships, submarines, and in this modern day a spy satellite which south africa does NOT have !

these heavy weapons are 'game changers' that determine who wins a war, and also depends on the quality of soldiers that operate and use them in combat.

DENEL does NOT manufacture any of south africa's heavy firepower weapon platforms except the G6 mobile artillery and you have only 46 pieces of it. how will that save you from Libya that has 210 Palmaria mobile artillery 3 years ago ?

the heavy weapons of south africa are all imported made in europe, i have posted it before and i wont repeat it again so get it now and be finally dissapointed, i am sorry sir.

Gripen jets....made in Sweden

Hawk Jets....British product, imported in parts, then assembled

Oryx Transport Helicopter .....French Puma imported and converted

Rooivalk Helicopter Gunship....French engine imported

Super Lynx Anti-Submarine helicopter......British product imported

Oliphant Tank....British Centurion Tank imported and upgraded

Badger IFV....Finland's Patria AMV product to be imported and maybe some assembled

Valour Frigate Warship....German product imported

Type 209 Submarine .....German product imported


now remove all this Europe made imported heavy weapons from south africa and Angola will defeat you in one week

see why i told you that south african military is not the strongest in africa just because DENEL and other companies manufacture some toy light weapons. the same way south africa imports all its heavy weapons listed above, the same way Algeria, Morocco, Ethiopia, and Nigeria also imports from overseas...all of us are in the same heavy weapons importation pot of pepper soup together now, haba...so how you go take beat us ? you get 2 heads ?


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My friend, can't you atleast be corrected at once because what you have written above is just a piece of thrush from someone who doesn't have a slightest clue about Denel. Denel is a big company which is divided into many subsidiaries, such as Land system, Aviation, Munitions, etc. I have picked up where you ignorantly claimed that 90% of Denel's products are light weapons, that is very WRONG and UNTRUE. Maybe you do not understand what is meant by light weapons. Light weapons are;

-Pistols
-Light Machine guns
-Sniper rifles
-Assault rifles, etc.

Surely, the above list is not what Denel put much of their focus on and if I put it on estimation that would probably be around 8% of their overall exports.

Denel land system produces heavy artillery weapons, IFV, tanks, heavy military trucks, etc while the Aviation division put much of their focus on Missiles, UAV, Helicopters and Air Fighters. The Rheinmetall Denel Munitions in Potchefstroom focuses more into producing variety of powerful bombs and anti-tank mines. There are many division in Denel for which some I do not even know about.

As for the list above; Cheetah, Orynx, Rooivalk and Olifant tank are proudly South African products built by Denel. What is wrong of using an already prepared product as a model to design yours? It has happened in China, Japan, France, America, etc. Nobody came with a helicopter from heaven and every country made theirs by either copying the model or importing the skill by monetary exchange. All those products were build from scratch in SA and in respect of Rooivalk, SA had always flown it with an ordinary helicopter engine until it started showing defects. Denel never had the capability of designing the gunship engine and had to import the skill for upgrades from a french aviation company.

patriot4: Why wouldn't you try to stop looking like a fool: do you know about google ?
If you use it then you can check out "my claims".
moreover this only shows you know nothing about the Nigerian army you keep insulting.
And stop speaking for other people.
I gave those wars because a quick check with google will prop up thousands of pages.

My google tells me nothing about the wars you have mentioned. Let us leave this topic to Cameroon pride to speak for his country that has been reportedly defeated by Nigeria. I recall Cameroon pride asserting the incident where cameroonian soldiers flushed out Nigerian soldiers in Bakassi, the war that never even started because Nigeria pulled off.

agaugust: .
ethiopian female air force jet fighter pilot....south africa's new teacher

https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kw8l8nzJqx1qza7mbo1_400.png

[size=16pt]Ethiopian air force agrees to train South African air force [/size]

South African Minister of Defence and Military Veterans, Lindiwe Sisulu, told reporters that Ethiopia and South Africa would sign a Memorandum of Understanding to enable Ethiopia to provide air force training for South Africa.
The South African Minister made the remark after she met Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi in Addis Ababa.

weblink source : http://danielberhane.com/2011/12/23/ethiopian-air-force-to-train-south-africans/

so who has the strongest military in africa ?

Unfortunately, Lindiwe Sisulu is no longer a minister of defence and she has been reshuffled somewhere else for lack of vision to steer defence to greater heights. I guess those were some of the reasons she was dished out in the defence portfolio.

By the way we are still waiting with bated breath for Ethiopians to come train us just like we offered Nigerians training in manpower training, logistics and capacity building. I hope that training will benefit South Africans. Cheers!!

THE ARGUMENT ABOVE WILL NOT HELP US.

FACT!! Most squatters camps in South Africa are inhabited by foreigners.

America with all its influence in the world is a capital to modern slums and far the biggest than that you see in SA. I have personally been to the US in Florida and during my visit I saw that there are many places which cannot even reach the standard of SA. Nigeria has got even more scarier places than those squatter camps you see in South Africa. If South Africa has a population of 50 million and the government build free houses for its citizens then what about poor Nigeria whose government cannot do anything for them.

@Agaugust- I am still waiting reply

It gives me a clear impression that you are just a poor boy who grew up in a village and never got a chance to see how a drone look like. Drones can fly as high as over 60 000feet and become virtually impossible to see with a n.aked eye. If an Airbus becomes almost difficult to see when it reached its full altitude, then what about a tiny drone that reaches that altitude? Drones are often shot when they fly at low altitude, but spy UAVs have the ability to fly as high as possible, so that it can be difficult to recognise their presence. Drones are often armed with AGM missiles, such as Denel's seeker which is often armed with mokopa and Americas Hellfire drone. Drones are not easy to be shot at and even if they are shoot at there will be no any casualties and the location of the enemy will already been exposed due to their foolish attack on drones.

Furthermore, if I may ask, why did your most fancy satellites failed to locate Boko Haram and only managed to be traced by the employment of the US drones. Boko Haram had always been hiding the anti-air guns neatly camouflaged in the forest, while the eye of your satellite in orbit failed to root them out. Just be informed that your satellite is not as mighty as you think and may not help you in all situations

Augustine Again:
who cares how india and others do it ? camera or radar or infra red or oracle or crystal ball ? did anybody on this forum study space technology in university ? there are modern satellites that see through clouds, darkness of night, and can pick a bicycle parked at the door of a small house. i proved it clearly. you were wrong, so swallow that truth, period.

dont reverse the whole world of science and technology back to the backwardness of south africa that has no single satellite in this modern age....go beg kenya to help you use their for photo imaging, or humble yourself and come beg nigeria the way ghana does and we let them use nigerian satellite.

try use your drones to take picture of enemy army approaching you from distance and see if they wont shoot the drone down with anti - aircrafts weapons. dont rubbish satellites because you dont have them. why are you looking for Rand 400m to build one ?

It gives me a clear impression that you are just a poor boy who grew up in a village and never got a chance to see how a drone look like. Drones can fly as high as over 60 000feet and become virtually impossible to see with a n.aked eye. If an Airbus becomes almost difficult to see when it reached its full altitude, then what about a tiny drone that reaches that altitude? Drones are often shot when they fly at low altitude, but spy UAVs have the ability to fly as high as possible, so that it can be difficult to recognise their presence. Drones are often armed with AGM missiles, such as Denel's seeker which is often armed with mokopa and Americas Hellfire drone. Drones are not easy to be shot at and even if they are shoot at there will be no any casualties and the location of the enemy will already been exposed due to their foolish attack on drones.

Furthermore, if I may ask, why did your most fancy satellites failed to locate Boko Haram and only managed to be traced by the employment of the US drones. Boko Haram had always been hiding the anti-air guns neatly camouflaged in the forest, while the eye of your satellite in orbit failed to root them out. Just be informed that your satellite is not as mighty as you think and may not help you in all situations.

@Agaugust- Here under is an example of how satellites can become a burden to tax payers because of their frequent technical errors. America with their hundreds of satellites is faced with this very challenge.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/957239/posts

Augustine Again: like i just told @andrewza, you people think anything south africa does not have, does not exist.

India's new satellite can see through clouds and darkness

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/indias-new-satellite-can-see-through-clouds-and-darkness/article3351157.ece

south africa is a prison cage of it's people's minds, cut off from the rest of the world's reality.

for your further information, any shell that can bore a hole through tank hull with hot plasma to discharge particles works as HEAT round and is HEAT shell, no country in the world has copyright or monoploy of it. try educate yourselves better, HEAT shell is not a brand name of one particular country , manufacturer, or product.

It is very surprising that you can now believe in propaganda. Satellite cannot see in the night, that is just propaganda that was spread by western powers to instil fear in the people, especially the wannabe terrorists. They know well that people know the weaknesses of satellites and now they come with new theories that make their satellites almost invincible. Those are total lies, http://propaganda-dimitrios..co.uk/2011/01/us-germany-developing-secret-spy.html

Augustine Again: like i just told @andrewza, you people think anything south africa does not have, does not exist.

India's new satellite can see through clouds and darkness

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/indias-new-satellite-can-see-through-clouds-and-darkness/article3351157.ece

south africa is a prison cage of it's people's minds, cut off from the rest of the world's reality.

for your further information, any shell that can bore a hole through tank hull with hot plasma to discharge particles works as HEAT round and is HEAT shell, no country in the world has copyright or monoploy of it. try educate yourselves better, HEAT shell is not a brand name of one particular country , manufacturer, or product.

It is very surprising that you can now believe in propaganda. Satellite cannot see in the night, that is just propaganda that was spread by western powers to instil fear in the people, especially the wannabe terrorists. They know well that people know the weaknesses of satellites and now they come with new theories that make their satellites almost invincible. Those are total lies, http://propaganda-dimitrios..co.uk/2011/01/us-germany-developing-secret-spy.html

Augustine Again: quote a source that says there is none because you dont know it. since its like if south africa does not have a weapon then it does not exist or it cannot work...satellites dont see through clouds because south africa does not have one...modern satellites made in ordinary india see through clouds and see through dark night with infra red.

weapons dont exist when south africa does not have it, or the weapon has limitations you imagine in your mind.

post a source that says no 155mm HEAT round artillery exists in this modern world, dont change story now and say it is experimental. they exist and some weigh about 40kg and costs about $500 each.

below is an example current use long range 155mm indirect fire artillery anti-tank shell that works the work of a HEAT round

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMArt_155

because you dont know a weapon does not mean it does not exist, you are not master of world knowledge, even a brigadier-general is not !

Lies, there is no such satellites in India that can see through the night. Satellite cameras cannot penetrate through dense bushes and pick up people from there. Drones are doing much better job than those useless satellites.

agaugust: did nigerians infect south african army with HIV ?

did nigerians pay seleka teenagers to use south african army for shooting practice ?

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AIDS exist everywhere and your lovely Nigeria is the second most infected country in the world by current stats. Due to Nigerias nature of unreliable records and the overall unwillingness to conduct routine AIDS check, Nigeria spells only disaster. Mark my words, it will only take 10years from now that Nigeria will become AIDS capital.

agaugust: [img]http://www.topnews.in/health/files/SA-Aids.jpg[/img]

[size=16pt]25% of south african school girls have HIV[/size]





then what are you waiting for ? 25% of south african school girls have HIV....please get infected without delay !

weblink source : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21783076

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It is good that SA does not hide the truth to the world, unlike those who do not know where do they stand. The bomb is ticking, tick-tock, tick-tock!!

@Agaugust- What you are on about is hypocritical. You only want to run the show alone because you do not want to be challenged. You are such a typical Nigerian who would rather project himself as a dictator than taking a punch from your opposition. You like to throw stones and forget that you are living in a glass house. How can you stoop that low? To be more exact, I do not have any respect to your so called naai-jerian military and I personally do not regard them as superior. You failed to convince us about the superiority of your combat soldiers and instead descended into banning your rivals unjustly.

You can compile your roughly sketched military rankings thousand times but that will certainly not help you because such will only amount to full self deception. I do not revere people who are suffering from inferiority complex because when people start to pass over factual details you will instead dive back to your administrators for censorship. I understand that some of my comrades were out of line, but certainly not all of them.

Andrew, saengine, msauza, thiza and others have done nothing wrong. They were censored hopefully based on the fact that they are South Africans. You should have been clear from the onset that we do not have to comment about anything that will harm your integrity or so to step on your toes because is only you (Nigerians) who have the ball in the court to ridicule other nations whatever way they like. Anyway, we understand and the message is clear that this is Nigerian factory and as such we were not invited. However, be informed that wherever the name of SA appears to be dragged on the mud, we will have an honour to defend it. Most of us joined this forum through GOOGLE search tool which alerted us that somebody somewhere in Nigeria is damaging the image our country.

I truly now believe what one Ghanaian in SA told me about the character of Nigerians. They hate from the bottom of their hearts to be told that THEY DON'T HAVE. They become very angry to an extent of even waging war against you. It is good if they ridicule other nations, but the moment the wheel is turned against them it becomes another chapter. It is in their spirit to defend their psedo title of GIANT OF AFRICA.

NaijaPikinGidi: The Nigeria Police Force can charter, but not the Nigerian Military Forces!! Yet how often does the Nigeria Police get deployed? Stop skirting aimlessly around the point I made. In 4 months SANDF chartered planes to lift slightly over 200 men and gear to CAR to the tune of R100 million? That is economic recklessness by the SANDF. Sadly, SANDF further fails to justify the expenditure by abandoning base and gear to SELEKA fighters. Nigeria knows when and how to work jointly with her partners to achieve our interests and missions. We have not CHARTERED and will not CHARTER to airlift our military men and gear to Mali or anywhere else!! That is why the AirForce has floated the "United Nigeria Airlines." Your link above clearly mentions the new Airline. Nigeria will not CHARTER like the SANDF. Mr. SAEngine ... what next?

Chief, what is so difficult of you to admit the obvious. That is a practice that is done by militaries in Africa. However, we will conclude that you deliberately refuse to admit the obvious.

Augustine Again: ....answer my question about what 100 Nigerian military officers are doing everyday permanently working inside the satellite control room of Nigerian space agency....and ask if the Nigerian army combat operations satellite images of Baga and Bama anti-booko gram fire-fight published as evidence and shown to international journalists was a civilian spy assignment like DSTV movie relay into peoples private home Television for entertainment.

I laugh at you so much my teeth almost fall out.

Sir those are not spy satellites, else we would have not known anything about their existence. Spy satellites are launched clandestinely and nobody should know if they are there. those satellites serves the interests of everybody, both civilians and military.

agaugust: after the last upgrade in USA, nigerian air force engineers now fully maintain all our C-130 Hercules domestically at home in nigeria so keep quite and stop the usual empty soweto boasting panarama

weblink source http://kaiserslauternamerican.com/nigerians-receive-first-c-130-after-pdm/

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Chief what is your point? South Africa also does her upgrades locally, so what?

Donian007: Now, my ignorant and dull student sit down as I teach you. First: I am a Nigerian but I am not from the Beautiful Coal City, I am from the Treasure Base, live in the Garden City, to be precise I have my ancestral roots in the Little New York of the Kalabari(ABONNEMA) not Kalahari "that's if u can let go of your ignorance and understand me". Second: Racism can be detected by a person rudely emphasizing the colour and ability of a group of people, or futhermore presenting them directly or indirectly as inferior due to most especially colour because at some point the most powerful banner with which different races have united is Religion. E.g Malcom X.

In what way have I used race irresponsibly? Nigeria has got only one race and hopefully you have never been exposed to racism. Racism is not that which you are struggling to elaborate above. Do you want to tell me that people should never say anything about race because they will only be labelled as racists. Nonsense!!!

NaijaPikinGidi: 9 C130s and yet a R100 million was spent to airlift 200 to 300 military personal to CAR in 4 months? Simply amazing nonsense. I am torn up in rumbling laughter!!

Why does it worry you? You are not contributing any of your taxes in our treasury.

Donian007: Thank you Saengine for debunking DictatorZAR's senseless LIES, now you've shown sm level of objectivity. DictatorZAR you should hide your face in shame!

We have a total of nine, that is, 401, 402, 403, 404, 405, 406, 407, 408 and 409.

READ THIS QUOTE;
During September 1997 C-130 No 407 left for Marshalls Aerospace in the United Kingdom for a major avionics upgrade, in order to extend the aircraft’s service life with an additional 20 years.  Two USAF C-130’s (EDA grant), No’s 408 and 409 were also upgraded at Marshalls thus increasing the SAAF fleet to 9 aircraft.  The first of the upgraded aircraft (No 407) arrived back at AFB Waterkloof during September 2001, followed shortly afterwards by No’s 408 and 409.  Denel Aviation has completed the upgrade of aircraft 401 and 406 with 402, 403, 404 and 405 still in process of upgrade

Read further http://www.af.mil.za/bases/afb_waterkloof/28%20Squadron.htm

Donian007: Keep up with your RACISM "they remain one race of black people" Keep up with your RACISM "they remain one race of black people" Keep up with your RACISM "they remain one race of black people" this shows how deluded and emotional you've gotten. LOOSER!

How does my comment has to do with racism. You must read well village boy of Rural Enugu state.

Henry120: Oga, don't go insulting the president of my country. Nobody here on the nigerian side insulted zuma. It seems you are very silly.

Zuma was insulted many a times here by being labelled a rapist.

Well said young man from Nigeria; thank you

http://www.businessdayonline.com/NG/index.php/business-intelligence/41596-south-african-firms-in-nigeria

NaijaPikinGidi: Ask your Parliamentarians. At least they were applauading all the points President Jonathan made which you shamelessly want to deny!! Unfortunately, truth and history can never be denied!!

They are just only fooling the bastard with white teeth showing. They are aware that his economy is flourishing and that's where they want to have their hands. Jonathan must allow more SA businesses to do business in Nigeria so that they can repatriate their profits back in Mzansi. DSTv, MTN, LOTTO Nigeria, Shoprite are few examples.

NaijaPikinGidi: You again fail to make any cogent point!! DSTV satelites are not for military use. It's private property to which Nigeria/ns hold a fair stake. Anything else is noise to the ears!

What is this strong staff that you are smoking? DSTv is 100% owned South African company, Finish and klaar. What is so difficult to understand. The only ownership you will claim will be front. South Africa is just only using you as cash cows. DSTv is everywhere in Africa and now you will want to tell me that Kenya, Congo, Uganda, Tanzania,Zambia, Zim, etc, also own DSTv. In your dreams boy, Multichoice is covered with the colours of Mzansi and all their satellites many hundreds of miles above the planet earth have the flag of the pride of the nation (SA). You will never find any of stinking Nigerian flag in all their products talkless of their satellites.

NaijaPikinGidi: You again fail to make any cogent point!! DSTV satelites are not for military use. It's private property to which Nigeria/ns hold a fair stake. Anything else is noise to the ears!

Sir a beg in your rotten English. NigSatCom-2 and NigSat X are not military spy satellites. They are also civilian satellites, so what?