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Henry120: There is absolutely no proof to show that nigeria only uses the roland sam. On the other hand we have provided proofs on multiple occasions that we got different SAM's. indigenously manufactured and imported, yet like 'coconut heads' you lot are, you continue to argue. When we bring up seleka issue, and the fact you only got 6 gripen pilots, you lot get all emotional.

It's simple, if you continue to peddle lies despite overwhelming evidence to prove against, we would have no choice than to reply in same manner.

You either get objective or we make this a free far all country bashing.

My friend are you sure that there is any missile that was developed in Nigeria. I always thought it was only SA in Africa. What is the name of that missile? Is it igirigiri again

South Africa wins and Nigeria bows. Lol!!!

Augustine Again: you south africans can continue wasting your weekend posting Roland Vs Gripen argument, maybe you have nothing else to do. better leave all the stuff we posted for other people to judge. keep on ranting like ants. me, i go to a party now, funtime pizza party....

Enjoy it, but watch out for boko while you are partying. Here in SA is winter anyway.

andrewza: Nigeria received there last roland missiel in 1985 and have only 300. I doubt most are servisbil. Probally will have many falure to lanch, lock or explsion in the tubes.

Just imagine the missile that was since manufactured in 1980. You will start to wonder if it will function properly.

agaugust: How does your spiritual magical and supernatural Rooival helicopter detect a Roland SAM among many other armoured vehicle from 10km distance ? Will some herbalist do the target identification for it ? You want to use a 300km speed helicopter against a 2,000km speed missile, and Roland missile max range is 8km, and Rooivalk helicopter has low altitude by force, its not a Gripen, Roland missile altitude is far above the the low helicopter altitude.

The helicopter option is worse than Grippen, it gets shot down more easily.

You changed your weapon from bad to worse. You failed military exams in the academy ?

Germany that built Roland with France know that helicopter cannot identify a small vehicle target with from 10km away, that's why companies build air defense missiles with range less much less than 10km because no aircraft can carry out air to ground attack on vehicle targets from high altitude plus long distance, ground target from air CANNOT be identified as different from decoy or civilian assets beyond range of 3km away especially a camouflaged Roland air defense in a bush or under special camp cover tents as I posted in the photos today or a Roland tactically hiding between 4 trailer trucks or among taller 3 story buildings.

Does a missile targeting pod or radar turn around corners of obstacles looking for a specific target ?

Have you invented something new to science this morning ?

You think air to ground attack is same as air to air BVR engagement ?

Why does NATO and American ground attack super aircrafts like A-10 Thunderbolt and Tornado get shot down by air defense in Iraq and elsewhere ?

They wanted to hit target and they have no choice than to come close about 5km and that is already about 15,000 feet still high and far.

You think Europeans who build Roland with that range are F00LS to build a Roland that helicopter will come and hit ? No record of any jet that his Roland in combat and you now bring a slow and low flying helicopter....

You drink alcohol ?

Agaugust Helicopters will never fly any near Roland or so to say within the effective range of Roland SAMs. They will safely fly 10km away from Roland position and thereafter at an inclination agle of 60 deg they will fire the mokopa from the distance. Rooivalk can demolish objects at a distance of 10km away. So if the rooivalk has that capability, why would rooivalk come any closer?

Augustine Again: ...a defeated angry south african, so angry in defeat to even asking a nigeria to go find the details of south african navy T-craft vessel and post it for the south africans ? sounds very craaaaaaazy

fellow readers/nairalanders

on pages 1 to 12 of this thread south africans were silencing nigerians with Gripen jet photos against Roland air defense. now on page 315 we know they have only 8 Gripen pilots, and that all south african air force cannot hit a Roland, now they get angry....defeat came long, but still came on nairaland.

my mission is accomplished on this thread/topic/forum, i give thanks to God.

LMBFAO!!!! This guy makes me laugh because of his madness. Indeed he has a serious mental condition.

Augustine Again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSSosDM8yG4

Gripen Jet, Rooivalk Helicopter Vs Roland SAM, Type 90 AA GUN


@all south africans, as many as you are ....i reply you all in one combines posts

you all posted very poor and internet based battle field tactics, no wonder seleka rebels defeated south african army

all you 3 south africans (including 2 soldiers) against me 1 nigerian and you still cannot win, which poor military academy did you go to ?

Roland is not on open display like new shoes in trade fair exhibition for enemy aircraft to come and hit.

Roland speed 2,000km/hr, Mokopa speed 1,900km/hr, Paveway Bomb 35km/hr,Rooivalk helicopter speed 278km/hr...and you forgot i said earlier that artilleries never stand alone to fight....Type 90 air defense gun has double cannon with anti-aircraft ammunition speed of muzzle velocity shell speed 4,200km/hr that is why it is built to shoot down incoming enemy missiles firing 1,100 shells per minute as a close-in-defensive weapon.

no Gripen or Rooivalk can jam electro-optical target guidance of both Roland and Type 90, technically optical firing guidance CANNOT be jamed electronically, thats why manufactures installed it as option if radar needs to shut down.
did you write and pass military exams or impersonator wrote it for you ?

radar will be switched of if aircraft threat is picked up by radar before a missile gets close. Roland radar detects incoming attack from 18km away.

you assume the only radar on ground is directly on the air defence vehicle, wrong, other radars independent are on the same army battalion formation for other purposes and some for deliberate decoy, older Bofors anti-aircraft guns in an air defence battalion formation will confuse any aircraft or helicopter far away 10km trying to act like a spirit or oracle and determine which radar is directly on Roland or Type 90.

no pilot will ever know what radar he is picking up from 10km away or 30,000 ft high in the middle of many targets on ground, and aircraft radar or targeting pods does not travel bending around corners, like a snake. radars are airwaves and waves travel in straight line, simple physics law.

dont add to a weapon more than its real technology can do in reality, modern weapon does not mean supernatural spiritual weapon.

south africa has no strategic air power like NATO , america, russia, china to carry out SEAD against nigeria's level of air defence and technological advancement, we are not Togo republic. 8 Grippen jets cannot do that level of SEAD.

Roland is for hitting low flying aircraft, but that low flying height is far up to 26,000 feet in the sky !

Roland shoots 8 missiles in less than 3 minutes, and reloads another 8 missiles in seconds.
Type 90 has too much ammunition resrves, its also reloaded rapidly in 7 seconds and many shells per catridge.

Grippen and Rooivalk can only carry few bombs and missiles at a time, and south africa has only 50 Paveway bombs and it will all be shot down plus any other weapons that comes also.

Paveway, Umbani, Mokopa are not among low calibre size high speed rate RCS minutions that wikipedia talks about. google the meaning of RCS, those type are usually very small and so tiny to hit.

all the south african bombs and missiles will be shot down by Roland in some seconds.

Type 90 also gives support to Roland, artillery never works alone, they work is a spider web of support.

Roland shot down both fast and slow aircraft, Harrier jet flies max speed 1,000km/hr, Tornadoe jet flies max speed 2,400km/hr and Roland has shot down all of them in combat, and those were British Royal air force jets pilots shat down, not even south african Gripen jets pilots that dont have enough flying hours to train annually and Rooivalk pilot that flew his helicopter blind like a bat into street electricity wires in broad daylight....south african pilots are far below the quality of British pilots Roland shot down.


Rolands wins, Gripen, Rooivalk, Paveway, Umbani, Mokopa all lose. i have posted many long details on this topic, i leave the rest to neutral public to judge us.

end of discussion

Have you now satisfied yourself with lies. You are such a big lier!!!

saengine: There are very few military pictures more embarrassing than the one posted above. Are those soldiers or fashion models? Look at the two back to back. Not a single person looking towards the bush where deadly fire will come from.

LMFAO!!! Hahahaha!! I kept on asking myself the same question if those were the real soldiers or models posing with army uniforms. Wonders shall never end in Nigeria.

Augustine Again: b.oko h.aram ran away and still running to the mountains and forest to hide, VOA news said your earlier video of fake nigerian soldier talking about downplayed numbers is false....

click weblink video again, first posted by @fynline...nigerian army showed face, b.oko boys run to forest, opposite result for seleka vs south african army

http://www.voanews.com/content/visit-to-boko-haram-zone-leaves-unanswered-questions/1677386.html

This put it otherwise

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/05/boko-haram-were-winning-nigeria-war-2664816.html

Army which cannot defeat Boko Haram and whose weapons and uniform are in the hands of the Boko Boys will surely not defeat SA.

agaugust: [/b] did Seleka rebels use any computer to defeat South African army in CAR battle ? [b]

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LMFAO, symptoms of defeat.

andrewza: you don't think we will call up the reserves, move pilots seconded to other units back to 2 squadron, cancel leave and courses. It will not be 8 in in this case but many more.

Thank you Andrew!!! SA has many experienced pilots in reserves. We wouldn't even need the so called mercenary pilots.

AGAIN Aguagust LOSES!!! He tried to come with many excuses that Gripen will burn on its full speed!! LMFAO!!!

Augustine Again: i just proved your claims false in my few posts above. find another story to tell. case closed. Roland wins. Gripen fails.

That comes from your flawed conclusions. We tried to lecture you even your so called favourite source "wikipedia" tried as much as we could by pointing out that Roland SAM was meant for old low flying aircraft with less speed. The wikipedia never differed from what I was taught at the mil academy when I was doing my lessons on SAMs. Perhaps, it is only in Nigeria where they are still being taught that Rolands are the best air defence to this age of technology. Technology of missiles advance rapidly with time but Nigeria is still stuck to the 1980 version and yet claim that they can defeat a nation using 4th generation fighters. Nigeria should have upgraded their SAMs long ago.

You are disgracing yourself.

Augustine Again: post the speed of Mokopa, Umbani, Paveway with weblink source or i will call you a F00L every day you come to nairaland.
[b]
paveway is 35km/hr, Roland is 2,000km/hr. [/b]i keep your air force uniform hanging on my mango tree, be c.areful or esle your boxer shorts too goes on mango tree.

The Mokopa is a South African made AGM (air-to-ground Missile) and was initially meant to be utilised as an anti-tank. However, mokopa is now used for multipurpose and can be launched on various platforms http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mokopa. The mokopa can clear out targets at the range of 10km which is far the safest from ineffective Roland SAMs only 5.5km. I hope that I have made myself clear.

Augustine Again: ....maybe a herbalist oracle told you that lie.

Lol!!! That's a fact. Your grandfather Roland is very too slow to counter attacks from Mokopa, Umbani and paveway. LMFAO!!!

Augustine Again: this is why i hanged your air force uniform on mango tree. i am civilian, you are air force officer and you dont know this.....

"The MiG-25's speed was limited to Mach 2.83 in operations, but it could reach a maximum speed of Mach 3.2 or more with the risk of damaging the engines beyond repair"

weblink source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-31

see why nigerians are more intelligent than south africans, even nigeria civilian knows battle tactics more than a south african air force fighter pilot

Which is why the speed of SAAB JAS 39 Gripen was limited to mach 2 which is the safest speed for its engine parts.

Augustine Again: i just proved your claims false in my few posts above. find another story to tell. case closed. Roland wins. Gripen fails.

What you have claimed is an immature simulation of wonder. Did you ever see the rain of hell fire. I have seen it many a times throughout my exercises. It is technically impossible for any SAMs, modern or ancient to stop such mass attacks. You are just living in the world of dreams my friend. Grandfather Roland will not be able to stop Mokopa, Umbani and paveway that hit at the same time. Least of all the rain of paveway bombs which are the most effective air strikes by NATO nations.

There is something clearly wrong with Agaugust to think that SANDF does not have the capability to demolish Roland air defence. Umbani, Mokopa and paveway will surely do the job without any hardship.

Augustine Again: be very careful when you challenge @agaugust. you failed mathematics in school. mach 1.6 is equal to 2,000km/hr ask your maths teacher, because mach 1 is 1,200km/hr.

nigerians are far more intelligent than south africans, proved here many times. how is it they claim their university education is better ? better schools but worse graduates. nigerian are the most intelligent africans.

Roland speed at 2,000km/hr, Gripen at 2,200km/hr. now back to my classroom my small boy student, no jet fighter flies at its maximum speed like a missile does, the jet engine will burn and damage. google Mig 25 Foxbat that tries max speed. @andrewza tried that Gruipen speed game with me here on Roland issue and i told him Gripen will never fly max speed or engine will damage and ruin the jet, @andrewza went silent immediately till today.

try again my student, learn fast, i am your teacher. your air force uniform is still hanging on a mango tree top beside that of @andrewza

south africa has NO weapon that can hit a nigerian Roland. proved here today. science and battle field practicals. case proved beyond doubt, Roland wins.

Boy you lost your argument even before you started. Is rhetoric when you claim that Nigerians are intelligent when they even fail to dominate Africa on the aspect of technology and science.

Lol!!! Jets will burn when they fly at their maximum speed!! That's your ignorant claims. Did you ever ask yourself why did the 4th generation fighter jet manufacturers decided to endow their new found high-tech planes speed that is more than that of Roland missiles. Jets do not burn when they fly on Max speed, because their engines were specially designed to accommodate that speed.

I do not know why is it so difficult for you to come to conclusion that SAAB Gripen can outrun Roland missiles. I told you that Roland missile launch at a very low speed and only pick up its full speed seconds later just before it reaches its full technical limit of 5.5km.

Augustine Again: you failed physics in school or in air force academy. 9.8m/s is 35km/hr speed, and paveway guided bomb is that slow. umbani is also slow, just glides more than paveway, you told a big lie about its high speed...show me source that says umbani bomb has high speed, show us source now or you will be called a F00L forever

....Roland missile high speed is 2,000km/hr, south african bombs will all be shot down from far away. nigerian Roland air defence wins the battle.

i promised i will rubbish those south african air force over-rated Gripen jets and Umbani/Paveway guided bombs today...and i am doing that now. any south african wants to make a F00L of himself anout Roland vs Gripen ? try it, nigerians are ready to reduce the Gripen to a useless toy today

@Agaugust- from your most favourite source "wikipedia" I quote "The Roland SAM system was designed to engage enemy air targets flying at speeds of up to Mach 1.3 at altitudes between 20 meters and 5,500 meters with a minimum effective range of 500 meters and a maximum of 6,300 meters. The system can operate in optical or radar mode and can switch between these modes during an engagement (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_(missile)). The speed of Roland SAM is mach 1.6 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_(missile) not 2000km/h in contrary to what you have claimed above. The 4.5 SAAB JAS 39 Gripen is a faster fighter jet which kick up to mach 2 here (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen) with almost mach 0.5 advantage over the useless Roland missile. Modern SAMs missiles can reach the speed of up to mach 3.5 with the aim of fighting faster jets.

Augustine Again: @Henry is correct, nigerian air force had zero combat aircraft at start of Biafran war, we purchased 54 jet fighters and jet bombers with hired private pilots all during the war time. nigeria has a formidable ability to transform in few months of war. nigeria has an emergency weapons supply defence pact with ukraine, i published it few months ago and @andrewza had to go silent immediately with shock. ukraine has about 250 Mig 29 Fulcrum and SU-27 Flanker jets with 150 jets in storage and many jobless discharged pilots for them.

50 SU-27 Flankers with private pilots will cost nigeria only less than $1 billion, and we have over $50 to $60 billion cash reserves.

see the Mig-17 nigeria bought many in less than 6 months of Biafra war starting.

https://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/mikoyan_mig17/ZMiG17_Nigeria_4.jpg


@fighter pilot, i say now answer my post, show us source of high speed umbani bomb that you say is faster than Roland missile or else your disgrace will be laughed at by the whole public readers today....i am waiting for you my small boy...

Country to country battle is not a civil war ( Biafran or Boko) which will comfortably wait for you to procure reinforcements. By the way I will answer to your question just now because I wanted to gather information to prove you wrong.

Henry120: With nigeria's 62 billion dollars in foreign reserves, it would be one hell of dog fight. As the airforce would hasten and upgrade her purchase 20 sukhoi-30MKK's and 24JF-17thunder block II. 13 F-7ni, 12 hongdu L-15 falcons, 10 upgraded alpha jets.

All assumptions made if a war between both countries occur within 6months.

Yet again you take refuge on a wish list, but anyway is good to dream. Do you think that if you are under siege the enemy will even allow you time to make that transaction? It will be too late, let alone recruiting mercenary pilots, they are difficult to get at this time and age.

Augustine Again: you are NOT a real fighter pilot. you are admin staff at air force office drinking coffee, no combat skills

stop quoting 4th generation, and a system in place to hit a Roland, what system ? all the systems in Gripen is known on internet data specs, so what system ? i defeated it, radar, then what syatem ? paveway and umbani guided bombs technical data and systems are available on internet, i defeated it, so what systems are you talking about here ? did you personally build a new Gripen or Umbani ?

i said american air force most modern jets gets shot down till today and you are boasting of south africa ?

Roland combat history says it is a perfect bomb k.iller, it k.ills all bombs from the air, so all your long range high altitude bombs are useless before Roland SAM and the umbani bomb is not a missile so it is very slow, and Roland is faster many times more to shoot down the bombs many kilometers before you reach Roland

South Africa has NO long range stand -off air to surface missile to hit a nigerian Roland SAM. go back to air force training school and learn the frustrating tactics of enemy air defence, stop doing copy and paste from wikipedia data of range and speed you cannot interprete in practical battle field engagement



you are looking for Roland from 100km away, the picture below is like a Roland you can never see from long distance.

tell me another story.

[img]http://www.zmne.hu/tanszekek/ehc/konferencia/may/Image264.gif[/img]

Your comments are very desperate! The 4.5th generation SAAB JAS 39 Griffin is equipped with this system (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_Approach_Warning) but the more advanced one which can even tell the pilot before the radar can even track him.

My fellow dear friend falling object always appear to be much faster than launching objects. Newton law of motion of falling objects taught us that the earth has gravitational force which exerts certain acceleration of (9.8 m/s2) on free falling objects. Imagine now if such falling objects are propelled. Umbani is not just an ordinary bomb that falls from the sky without any propulsion. That bomb approach at the very high speed boss.

Henry120: This is the part that got me interested. If and when you do bomb the Roland SAMs, and AA guns, how then would you troops advance, facing a barrage of nigerian army artillery, special forces troops?

*note, I did not add the first line of defence which is TRANCON, neither did I add missile crafts and vessels on the seas.

Any army with a failed air defence is down and out, because continuous air strikes will stress your army to an extent of visually giving up. Air strikes will put your armies in disarray facilitating offensive by our forces' infantry.

Augustine Again: .
https://www.saabgroup.com/Global/Documents%20and%20Images/Air/Gripen/The%20face%20of%20success_JamieHunter_440x277.jpg


Gripen Jet Vs Roland SAM air defense

Roland SAMs are radar/visually guided missiles http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surface-to-air_missiles and the forth generation fighters have a system in place to detect approaching Roland SAMs from far away. Though even if missiles appears to be faster than planes that is not the case with Roland SAMs since they start to launch with a slow speed before they reach their full speed.

Firstly let us compare the speed of Roland SAM in relation to that of SAAB JAS 39 Gripen. If I am not mistaken, Roland SAMs make Mach 1.4 as compared to Gripen (Griffin) which kicks up to Mach 2. With all of this advantage, it gives experienced Gripen pilot upper hand to deploy counter measures timeously. Rolands have lot of disadvantages in this era of forth generation fighters because of their radar system.

patriot4: you are a troll.

Patriot you are out of your senses. Computers cannot be reduced to just a mere pocket calculator. Computers operate big machines in factories and do magnificent job and tell me what is wrong with those computers if they are being integrated in weapon system to provide it with more accuracy?

patriot4: Your article is actualy an advert meant to entice buyers, and it never talked about 800 buyers, it said 800 were in use worlds wide.
And I still don't see how relevant bringing your ad is. It still remains that your system is not only easy to make by anyone with highschool knowledge of physics and little skills in programming but it is still a useless system.

Agaugust is indeed supposed to be very embarrassed of you wherever he is. Surely he is eagerly waiting for your departure so that he can finally have his comments.

saengine: Arachnida II WMS

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/LAND/LAND_new/arachnida2.JPG

The Arachnida II is based on the very successful Arachnida I system, of which 800 are currently in service worldwide, with the SELEX GALILEO FIN3110 inertial navigation unit as primary sensor.Arachnida II system has Sun-Readable colour touch screens and is suitable for mounting on Self Propelled Artillery, Towed Artillery, Mounted Guns, Multiple Rocket Launchers and reconnaissance vehicles. It navigates the Gun or Launcher accurately on a map background, with or without GPS, and therefore completely eliminates any survey procedures. The system provides for full on-board autonomous ballistic calculations and for receiving fire orders via radio data link. Gun Laying can be done accurately to within 1 mil RMS, while offsets for direct firing are calculated automatically. The new system can also include the function of fully automatic gun pointing with the required upgrades to the Gun Control System.

http://denellandsystems.co.za/artillery/arachnida_II.html

I guess those 800 customers worldwide could have just come to Patriot instead. He would have done it for them on his laptop for free while watching Game of Thrones on the other tab . I don't like kicking a man when he is down, but he asked for it.

Lol!!! Patriot will just use his own pocket calculator. These guys surely are disgracing Aguagust bigtime.

Hezron Lorraine: if you sa nationales think nigeria is a sleeping bulldog that bullies others with its so called mordern weaons,aircrafts and artilleries,then u are all so lost.even ur grippens and sub can'tdefeat naija.the day u decide to start a war with nigeria,remind me to pay beyonce half a million dollars to sing i was here at the rememberance day of your soldiers that will roast both in air and on sea,so far u've dodged the roland vs grippen simulation by creating strategy for ur humiliation.u no the saying,naija no dey carry last,yeah we never come last in both the good and bad.your shiny armoury doesn't win a war.note that.na knows ur capabilities so do sandf.its a win-win on both sides.what if i tell you nigeria plans on going nuclear soon b4 2017.u'll probably choke to death.watch and see.stop playing smart.

Before I can argue with you I will instead refer you to go to school first.

patriot4: You are a verry funny man, I talked about highschool because the handling of such a gun is a thing a highschool student can do, mostly because the physics education in high schools gives you all the tools needed here.
I also hope you know that in the calculators of today, you can actually write programs, you can actually add sensors, and virtually that your "beautiful computer" is not more usefull than a calculator. And I am fed up of this aimless discussion you called "argument". Your "modernization" is verry easy to do, for God's sake I could do it for free, the only thing is that it is useless. Now let's focuss on the topic instead of discussing about your "magic computers".

Young man indeed physics has troubled your brain. You are damn crazy!!!

Donian007: U are foolishly insinuating that nothing gwud can come out of Nigeria because it pains and shocks u to c and know that we are getting advanced, yet you are here, in NAIRALAND, a social/news site, a Nigerian platform and creation, freely interacting, thesame Country u say all sorts of lies abt, even shamelessly n arrogantly calling-names. HAVE YOU NO SHAME? Upon your ignorant and mischievous claims that Nigeria is very backward u still use her platforms to interact. U are sooo senseless. GOSH!

There's absolutely nothing that can make me envy about Nigeria.