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patriot4: We advertise some of our weapons only when it suits us. Forexample when we are about to use the weapon or when some foreign media try to mislead the world about our capabilities. Apart from that we prefer to be a silent army and to keep most of our stuff secret.

Sir please stop telling us lies. Nigeria does not have any hidden weapons. Your country is not North Korea or Iran. You have signed many treaties that expose you not to hide anything.

souldust: you can check out some of DICON products here although they are mainly light arms.
http://www.dicon.gov.ng/military.html

note that the IGIRIGI, Andoni, UAVs, the new tech augagust posted, the robots he also posted, the 120km missile are not recorded by DICON. This could also mean that Nigeria does not brag about its military and prefers to keep things downlow

Then why was aguagust always making noise about assertions that Nigeria does not advertise here own weapons? DICON as an arm manufacturing company has the responsibility to show the world what products it has. Why should DICON keep hiding weapons as if it is conducting some secretive nuclear Weapon research. Weapons ought to be known, whether is Germany or the US that developed them, we ought to know about them. DENEL is being accused of advertising her weapons, while the likes of the US, GERMANY, CHINA, etc are doing alike, but there is nothing wrong about them.

patriot4: Let me ask you something more challenging: prove that Zorn's lemma is equivalent to The axiom of Choice.
And is the class of ordinals an ordinal, is it a set ?

That way let me leave you in peace, because there is no sense from that statement above.

patriot4: First of all, you are adressing the wrong person.
I am the one who said i have been involved in teaching teenagers.
And second of all I hold a masters degree in mathematics, I studied physics till my third year of university.
And third of all: are you trying to test me by asking me to explain what aerodynamics mean ?
Surely you must know that we are communicating via the internet and that any human being can Google "aerodynamics" to know the meaning of the word.
fourth of all, I and most people I know, knew the meaning of that word in our first days of high school.
fifth of all, I do not teach as a profession, I do it when my help is needed, eventhough I am qualified for it, I don't like teaching.

So what does Aerodynamics has to do with an artillery gun? Explain to me.

souldust: you cant live in banana island i swear!!! And again, have you being to asokoro, VGC, gwarimpa, maitama etc? Some of your wealthiest cant even live in these areas fact!!!

There is no place like Sandton or Houghton in the whole of Nigeria.

patriot4: That is why I do not like this forum verry well, the South africans always do things in bad faith and act like children (I blieve ost of them are).
Ok, it is time for me to go and do some sports.

Don't runaway answer me first. What is meant by AERODYNAMICS?

patriot4: I have the feeling some of these South africans are teenagers.
Because while discussing with them I get the same irritation I get while teaching teenagers.

Patriot what is meant about AERODYNAMICS again. Please can you lecture me for a while "my teache"r,?

Donian007: MEEHN! I Also believe so. While responding to post they always resort to name-calling even when your post is very civil. Dey surely must be kids, even if theyre adults they'r not far from having kids mentality.

Then if you are a teacher, you should be having a vast knowledge of many things in the world, other than that poor performance you have exhibited. You have such a very limited cognitive abilities. By the way can you briefly explain to us what is meant by AERODYNAMICS?

saengine: If you don't know wat you're talking about rather keep quiet. Do you think our troops are watching game of thrones on those computers? So if Nigeria was offered guns with and without fire countrol software you would choose guns without? Such useless logic. Those computers as you call them give much much better fire control. Our gunners are able to adjust firing angles and distances much quicker. They also give gunners information on the correct charge to use, given the position of the target and atmospheric conditions. You know for a fact you would rather be on the side which has modern combat systems.

You see why Nigerians are half brains? That guy proved it all. I wonder if he even know the meaning of Aerodynamics. LMFAO!!! Bahahahahahahahah!!!!!!

Donian007: Not about JEALOUSY but IGNORANCE. I understand your ignorance.

LoL!! I proved you wrong.

patriot4: As usual, one needs to explain something ten times before andrewza could understand it.
Four year old children understand quicker than andrewza.
Look even in high school you learn enough about physics to be able to control such a gun with precision.
As I have already said, the computer is completely useless, unless ofcourse the person using the gun has been trained in following the orders from the computer rather than on how to use such a gun. So I rpeat it again: the computer doesn't make the gun modern.
What makes it modern is a specific design to better its aerodynamics. It is only the mechanical modifications that make the gun modern, so you can even put 1000 computers next to the gun, it doesn't make it modern.

You are very ignorant. The computer is very important, since it operates the gun better than a human being. It helps in programming the gun.

South African Navy is the only blue water navy in the whole of sub-Saharan Africa and that a fact.

Donian007: IGNORANCE! U post so senselessly. And you think Lagos is the only city where wealthy people live? Don't scrambble the net, come to Abuja, Uyo, Calabar, Portharcourt, Benin, etc, even sm small towns under these cities wld shut you up.

What about Durban, Capetown, Port Elizabeth, Bloemfontein, Pretoria, Pietermaritzburg, Polokwane, Kimberley, etc?

Donian007: Stop lieing, Agustine have shown clear sensibility with facts in all he posts!

Your fellow countryman has tried his luck to an extent that he even finished all Nigerias firepower to no avail.

Donian007: IGNORANCE AND JEALOUSY THAT WE ARE MOVING AHEAD.

Is not about jealousy!! Have you checked if those parts have been approved by the manufacturers first? If that is not the case it will not be long that we will start to see headline news with yet another air crash in Nigeria. You see why people always have second thoughts about Nigerian flights.

agaugust: other countries in africa have guns that shoot up to 60km.

you south africans have never seen real army battles, you keep making noise about G6 artillery extra 10km or so range, who told you that in real battle the enemy army will be sitting down 70km away from you to be shelling them like a F00L ?

armies move with speed and close up any gaps so as to win territory, what was the distance between aouth african army and seleka rebels in combat ? 70km ? seleka was close enough to uproot south african army with 1980's old AK-47 rifles.

Again you show your ignorance. Artillery guns are good at demolishing targets from the long range, especially military installations. Other use is to put your enemy in disarray and disturb their plans and offensive.

On the issue of Seleka, the rebels had intelligence over us because of some of Bozize's mutinous soldiers and special forces from Chad. They launched an ambush on SA soldiers who returned back from the Airport after escorting Bozize to escape the country. Soldiers do not survive ambush easily and in those cases it is where armoured IFV are needed. We lost several troops on that fateful night, but on one-on-one situation, the rebels lost bitterly.

Fynline: Air force fabricates aircraft parts

Nigerian Air Force yesterday said it has resuscitated many of its aircraft using locally produced spare parts.

The F-7 fighter jets based in Makurdi, Benue state and the Agusta 109 helicopters in Enugu, Enugu state were among the refurbished planes using locally made spare parts while the Alpha jets in Kainji, Niger state will have some of their parts produced locally.

The air force signed Memorandum of Understanding with 14 tertiary and research institutions on research and development in Abuja. Chief of Standards and Evaluation Air Vice Marshal Sadiq Abubakar said during the event that the service has produced several aircraft parts locally in conjunction with instructions of higher learning thereby reducing dependence on foreign companies.

He said the air force has locally produced hydraulic diaphragms for its helicopters which were hitherto obtained from Russia and Ukraine. The new diaphragms can last for over 50 flying hours without replacement unlike the Russian made. Now all our helicopters are flying, he said.

He said the electrolytes of the F-7 fighter jets were produced by the air force in collaboration with the Benue State University while the cameras of the Agusta 109 helicopters that were dysfunctional have now been fabricated including the camera recorders.

dailytrust.

Re-engineering the F7 and the Alpha, a confirmation of what has been mentioned before

Let them keep on with their counterfeits!!! It is the lives of their lives of their pilots they are putting at risk not ours.

saengine: This is the last bit of evidence I need to confirm that you are the biggest fraudster on this site. You claim to know about the military, but If one reads closely your knowledge is lacking. Do you think the prototype Gripen which flew in the 1980's is the same Gripen (with the same systems) that you see flying today? Do you think the prototype Eurofighter Typhoon which flew in the 1980's is the same Eurofighter flying today? Do you think the prototype F22 Raptor which first flew in the 1997 is the same (same systems and electronics) that you see flying today? What a sham you have proven yourself to be.

By the way, I countered your simulation of a South African Naval blockade on page 308. I hadn't seen it till now. Your so called simulation was embarrassing to say the least. You simulate your artillery firing on us, but you don't simulate our guns firing on you? Then you have the guts to say Agaugust has sank the SA Navy?. Again, what a sham and failure you have turned out to be.

Agaugust must just go to sleep, because he's embarrassing himself a lot lately. Even his fellow Nigerians have washed their hands of his most comments.

I will only accept apology from agaugust because he is not a product of a civilised nation. He was never born on and industrialised country, no wonder he is ignorant about development of technology.

agaugust: show us, post a list of all existing nigerian weapons fully recorded from IISS and JANES, post it or you become a F00L forever !

Gripen jet is actually 1890 era, the aircraft was built in 1987 and could not enter service because it failed to fly well, and now that south africa has it, you cannot maintain the problematic Gripen jet, and you put hals of your air force in a cold freezer long term storage.

Gripen jet is an over-rated 1987 product....

quote from source from the first page on top just beneath the Gripen photo on that weblink page.

Swedish Air Force JAS 39 Gripen
Role Multirole fighter
Manufacturer Saab AB/Saab Group
First flight 9 December 1988
Introduction 1 November 1997
Status In service
Primary users Swedish Air Force
South African Air Force
Czech Air Force
Hungarian Air Force
Produced 1987–present
Number built 235[1]
Unit cost US$ 40–60 million[2][3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen


however, nigerian army Type 90 air dfence anti-aircraft gun was first seen in 1999.

The Type 90 was first revealed to the public during the 1999 National Day parade held in Beijing.

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/antiaircraft/type90towed35mm.asp

south african m_others gave birth to a new generation of internet liars and f_raudsters as we see here on nairaland.

Agaugust stop embarrassing yourself. Let me lecture you yet again. Prototype is completely different to the final product. That SAAB gripen that was seen flying in the sky in 1988 going for testing is completely different to the one that was officially lounged in 1997. Many aircraft that are still going for testing are being assessed for modifications and many technical errors. So I hope this will convince you.

souldust: @dictatorZar if the like of chris brown, after seeing some of the most beautiful houses in the US, comes to lagos and still gets wowed by what he saw, i dont think the judgement of a spear weilding Zulu, who has never left the company of his animal companions in Kruger park, should bother me so much

why dont you read on and catch jealousy

Pictures- Chris Brown Wowed by
Lagos Mansion He Was Lodged In,
posts photos
Chris Brown stands in awe
Chris Brown could not keep to himself the
awe he felt at the splendour of the palatial
mansion he was lodged in after giving a
good account of himself at the concert
which took place at the Eko Hotel & Suites,
Victoria Island, Lagos, yesterday.
The 23-year-old posted photos of himself
standing and looking in awe, then later
playing with dalmatian dogs in the
unidentified building.
He posted the photos online with the
caption: “This house I’m at in Nigeria is big
as f–k!”
Nigeria rocks!

Then tell that Chris Brown to come and have a look at Mzansi. Just like his departed counterpart Michael Jackson he will be taken such that he will even want to buy properties here in SA.

agaugust:
Gripen jet is a copy of 1944 German world war II jet named Messerschmitt Me 163 Komet, it is the father of every other jet fighter existing today, so Gripen Jet too is not modern. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_163

nigerian M56 artillery is a 105mm towed howitzer but south african G6 artillery 155mm is a self propelled howitizer and they are built for different type of combat ranges, one is 105mm but the other is 155mm, built for different purposes, so you are very wrong to compare the two, a sign that your military training is poor indeed.

nigerian Archer 155mm self propelled artillery compares well to south african G6 self propelled artillery, only difference is the extra 10km range of G6, and in real combat the archer operator simply drives his vehicle forward for 10 minutes and equals the range of the G6 if any need to close up the 10km gap of shooting range difference. in all technical perfomance capability like accuracy, both guns are equal. simple fact.

weblink source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_Artillery_System#Potential_and_future_operators

however, armies are not always 70km apart when the exchange artillery fire, especially when they want to capture territory, they both close in on each other to gain grounds.

back to the nigerian M56 artillery, it is a very modern gun that first came into service in 1998, the south african G6 gun is actually 10 years older! i dont know why @andrewza tells open lies about whose weapon is more modern ! south africans are fraudsters.

nigeria has 200 units of M56 artillery not 50, no way, it is 200 guns we have, and all brand new, but south africa has zero, nothing in the class of 105mm artillery, not one single piece !

weblink sources

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M56_Howitzer#Users
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Army


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Just once, Aguagust allow yourself to be corrected because you will only end up being laughed at. That crap you have written above about SAAB Gripen is very untrue. Fighter jets take many years to produce, unlike missiles which could only take 3 years to produce. SAAB JAS 39 Gripen (Griffin) is a 4th generation fighter, to be more exact 4.5th Generation which only came in service in 1997. Forth generation fighters are considered modern because they are all fighters designed from ( 1980-2010) http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_jet_fighter. Fifth generation fighters are still prototype to date and only Americas F-22 Raptor http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth-generation_jet_fighter is in service while the rest are still being tested.

agaugust: you are wrong, new generation jet fighters CANNOT provide close air support to their own soldiers at high altitude to avoid 'friendly fire errors'. south african air force academy trained you very poorly. you south africans have a wrong idea that jet fighters perform miracles at high altitude against ground targets, no way, they can only do air to air dog fights or BVR engagements against enemy aircraft.

your air force uniform i keep hanging on a mango trr until you learn real art of war, then i give you and @andrewza one ladder each to get your uniforms down from tree top.

Hello drunken master, I am not speaking of altitude here. I am speaking about an inclination angle.

andrewza: no you messed up. The type 90 is a copy of a GDF 002 built in the 1980s. SA uses a local modziced GDF 003 so it not even has good has our 35mm guns.

Why does Nigeria procure arms from China? That country is only good at making low-quality copies using cheap materials. China invest more into quantity than quality and that proof has been written all over their fong-Kong type chengdou F7-Ni. We are making better weapons than China. They used to donate a lot of those cheap weapons to Zimbabwe.

agaugust: You just m.essed up yourself, Gripen Jet is older than Nigerian Type 90 anti-aircraft defense built to shoot down high speed 4.5 generation jets launching air to surface attacks. Gripen jet is older you d.umb g.oat, google is your friend and I posted details of page 300.

If you keep posting deliberate lies I will put you on the list of men without honour.

You cannot use anti-aircraft guns against new generation fighter jets, because the pilot will safely fly out of range of such guns and hit you from the long range.

agaugust: You just m.essed up yourself, Gripen Jet is older than Nigerian Type 90 anti-aircraft defense built to shoot down high speed 4.5 generation jets launching air to surface attacks. Gripen jet is older you d.umb g.oat, google is your friend and I posted details of page 300.

If you keep posting deliberate lies I will put you on the list of men without honour.

Now that you have lost arguments about your old Grandfather Roland you want to start yet another debate which you will eventually lose.

souldust: your name is loser and it will forever be.
Why dont you just read this and feed your ignorance so you can get heart attack for knowing you are not what you think you are.

Houses more expensive on Banana
Island than London
2013-05-07 00:00:28
High cost of property on Banana Island
reinforces Lagos' position as one of the
most expensive cities in the world, SAMUEL
AWOYINFA reports
A serene environment. Well-laid out streets.
Undiluted breeze from the sea. Good
lighting and other facilities that make life
comfortable… All have combined to make
Banana Island, Ikoyi, Lagos one of the
most expensive areas to acquire a landed
property in the country, nay the world.
The 'island', which derives its name from
the banana-shaped landscape, is
approximately 1,630,000 square metres in
size – less than a square mile. It is divided
into 536 plots.
Landed property is even more expensive
here than in some other parts of
developed world such as the United
Kingdom and South Africa, thus
buttressing the various surveys that say
Lagos is one of the most expensive cities
in the world.
An investigation by our correspondent
shows that Banana Island is, indeed, for
the big players who have more than
enough money to afford the luxury of life it
offers.
Both the luxury flats and even lands being
offered for sale by developers attract
staggering prices. While a three-bedroom
flat costs as much as N248m, a four-
bedroom counterpart can go for as much
as N3.5bn, depending on the facilities it
offers.
Ironically, in some parts of London, with
all its international prestige, a four-
bedroom flat goes for between N86.1m
(£350,000) and N3.46bn (£10m). In
Johannesburg and Capetown, South Africa,
such can be obtained for between N20.2m
(R1,190,000) and N40.8million
(R2,400,000).
Current exchange rate of N246 to a Pound
Sterling and N17 to the South African Rand
was used as the yardstick to arrive at the
Naira equivalent.
Part of the irony is also that there is a
tested mortgage facility the buyer enjoys in
London and other developed places,
whereas in Nigeria, this is almost non-
existent as it is a system of cash-and-carry.
In some highbrow areas of London,
including Notting Hill and Chelsea,
however, four and seven-bedroom flats sell
for N3.45bn (£14m) and N4.5bn (£22m).
Yet on Banana Island, a four-bedroom pent
houses at the waterfront go for N3.5bn
each. While a three-bedroom flat complete
with three bathrooms, attracts N900m.
It is not only fully-built houses that attract
such a staggering amount. Even virgin
lands that are being put up for sale are
very expensive.
A land area covering 19,000 square metres
is, for instance, listed for sale for N5bn
while the least available costs N250m on
land area covering 1,100 square metres.
There are others: N370m for a parcel of
land covering 1,800 square metres;
N280m for a piece covering 1,527 square
metres, and N900m for a total land area
covering 6,000 square metres.
The consolation, however, is that at
Banana Island, residents are provided with
world-class utilities, including
underground electrical systems (versus the
overhead cabling common throughout
Lagos), an underground water supply
network, a central sewage system and
treatment plant as well as street lighting
and satellite telecommunications networks.
It is no longer news that many influential
Nigerians and companies have found a
home on this island of affluence. Among
offices of other business organisations,
the headquarters of one of the
telecommunications companies, Etisalat, is
located on this island.
In this digital age, Banana Island's fame
has spread to the social media. For
instance, our correspondent, on Monday,
watched a documentary on its fortunes on
Youtube. While this provides an
opportunity for its admirers to further
savour its beauty, however, some people
have also exploited the media to criticise
the expensive paradise it seems to
represent.
Omarie Combs, on his Youtube account,
describes the staggering amount being
used to acquire property there as crazy.
"My uncle recently moved to Banana Island
from Toronto, Canada. I believe he got the
land and the mansion for N600m.
"Nigerians have the best houses in the
world. Trust me, I have been to most of
these areas. It's crazy and it's worth
millions of dollars," he writes.
In his account, Martins Major says it is
amazing that such an exclusive haven can
be found in a country regarded as a
'declining one.' He adds that the beauty of
some houses on Banana Island "cannot be
compared to some houses in the United
Kingdom."

Still with all that which you have written above, SA looks more and more beautiful than Nigeria. Infact in the whole Africa there is no country that come any close to infrastructure that SA has.

agaugust: .

@all South Africans, can you Soweto half b.rains try to prove all these strange claims you post on nairaland ? apart from weapons you copy and paste from south African websites, 90% of what you post have no single web link source to prove your claims and nobody wants to believe you except among your fraudulent selves

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Then how does that help us because when we quote weblink with the domain "CO.ZA", we are being accused of biased media. However, ironically it is then all well when weblink with domains "Ng" are quoted for us.

DictatorZAR: Hey Scamster I see you find it hard to respond to my post your Fraud.


Now thanks to your own site your FG Senate member in defense complained about Nigeria's second hand 46 year old RELIC called the NNS Thunder AKA Diesel Guzzler which is becoming more a liability then a asset to your small fleet.

By the way your Adonni's hull isn't Nigerian built nor is its subsystems and Radars.

On the issue of the Chinese shipping through the hull and subsystems for your engineers to built its said that your Navy would want 70% home built its not stated as fact that it would be 70% homemade. By the way its also nothing new the Biggest and most Sophisticated ship ever built on African soil Remains the SAS Drakenberg which is 3times in displacement then the single OPV which Nigeria will built with the Help and expertise of the Chinese.


You talk about Nigeria building a few arms now most of that arms which Nigeria use is low tech, your so called IPV is a joke RPG's also is nothing to write home about, the day your Proforce or Dicon garage builts fuselage's for Airbus A400M's, APC's and IPV's for US/Nato.


If SA manufactured weapons are so overated why are Finland, Sweden, US, Brazil, Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan and Algeria all buying systems and not Dicon vest or Proforce IGIRIRI APC's.

There is no any country that would ever buy Nigerian made weapons!!! Not even Dtibouti would be interested.

gingerbeer: AFRICAS RICHEST SUBURBS
NOTE: SA buildings are different to the rest AFRICAN suburb buildings up north who still have COLONIAL LOOKS ;DCOLONIAL ARCHITECTURE in Nigerian, Kenya,Ghana,Cameroon. While north Africa is stuck to their muslim roots(like them good).

PRESENTING FUTURISTIC SA BUILDINGS VS NAIJA SLUMS.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1526578

My fellow countryman let us just leave them for a while, because in that department Nigeria is still primitive. What would normally look like a township would be classified as a suburb in Nigeria.

DENEL is ARMS Manufacturing company, just like Dassault, SAAB, etc they advertise their products on their respective media. Nigeria is still young and upcoming in the game of arms, so there is no need for their arms companies to shine their weapons since they do not manufacture their weapons with intent to export them. South Africa has been manufacturing world class weapons even before the father of agaugust was born.

agaugust: nigeria is manufacturing 70% of a modern stealth guided missile light frigate domestically in lagos, and it will be completed next year 2014 see page 304 for details. weblink source http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-18300358

south africa has not done better, because every country has its own area of focus in weapons building. israel has not built its own jet fighter aircraft and its nation's survival depends very much on its air force.

people over-estimate south africa because you publish free photos, videos, data of all the weapons you manufacture. some other countries like nigeria like to keep silent about their own. we are two different countries with different policy and rules.

i wont reply you again if you make posts that are not intelligent, i dont have time for such, i work.

The truth is your so called DICON or whatever you call it, can never be compared to DENEL or even black owned PARAMOUNT.