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 Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Scholars Should Help Me Out With This Teachings. PLEASE. by Finallydead: 2:09pm On Dec 16, 2019*. Modified: 3:08pm On Dec 17, 2019 |
stupidity:Oh no problem at all. Can you please do something about your profile pic, it's offensive. Thanks |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Finallydead: 10:59am On Dec 16, 2019 |
Perfectbeing:Very true. When we eventually inherit salvation(Heb 1:14, Php2:12,Heb6:11-12,2Tim2:10,1Cor5:5) on this earth, it will be permanent. Bless you |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Scholars Should Help Me Out With This Teachings. PLEASE. by Finallydead: 10:43am On Dec 16, 2019 |
Sir, let me first commend you for asking this question, because only atheists or serious believers ask such questions(I don't know which you are, if you are of God, you should immediately change that profile pic). However, one thing I usually suggest to believers, is ask every question possible, expecting a satisfactory answer to come at some point, yet don't expect that any bible scholar(no matter how knowledgeable), or your personal study ALONE will give you all accurate and satisfactory answers, because we all being imperfect only know in part(1Cor13:9,12). For perfect and satisfactory knowledge, we must learn to rely on the Spirit(1Cor2:10-16) i.e. invest in growing your relationship with Him, following him step by step until at some point(patience is required), He leads us into all truth. (Jn14:26, Jn16:13) Now, to your question, here is a piece from my answer to another on a similar subject. Hope you find it helpful. Further questions are welcomed. Adam never had the nature of God(image of God), which is the Word of God Himself (Heb 1:3) but was only made in God's likeness(resemblance in looks, design, structure and form) as the account was careful to specify(Gen 5:1). Had he had God's nature neither he nor eve would have been victims of Satan's deception, just like the Word Himself(Mt 4:3-11) proved. To give one God's nature(image/character/attribute) is to take away one's unique identity from him, which defeats the purpose of creation. You may ask about Gen 1:26, then. Take this(Gen 1:1-2:3) to be a different frame of existence only structuring than what actually happened on earth as we know it today(which began in Gen 2:4). The created objects mentioned in (Gen 1) are Divine figures of speech and the man in v26 is actually Christ not Adam, the male being Christ and the female being the bride of Christ. In the Hebrew, the word for Man(v26) and Adam are two very related words with the same spelling except the addition of an tittle on one of the letters and hence a slightly different pronunciation. In other words though Adam was symbolic of the man in v26, he isn't that man. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Finallydead: 11:17pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
Perfectbeing:No, friend. Scriptures debunking men's wrong interpretation of scriptures. When men finally understand true doctrine perfectly(this can only be when the Holy Spirit Himself teaches us and not just our minds/intellect. 1Cor 2:11-16, Eph 1:17) they will find that there is no contradiction in scriptures. So please, once again, embrace my previous plea, for the perfect will of God sake. Bless you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: We Are Called For Fullness by Finallydead: 7:06pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
Hiswordxray:Bless you brother. May His grace help us fulfill His perfect will. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Spiritual Growth by Finallydead: 10:35am On Dec 15, 2019 |
Hiswordxray:I understand from experience too. We need greater grace in this generation to meet the standards of God and it will come shortly. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Do We Identify A Righteous Person? by Finallydead: 10:29am On Dec 15, 2019*. Modified: 11:43am On Dec 15, 2019 |
OP, to really answer your question, I have come out of your context. Good works obviously come with righteousness but can also be displayed without it, (this would be morality which brings along good rewards of creation, if not from men) but this cannot pass in the presence of God. The true test of righteousness, however, is simply the SOURCE of the good works. If they come from our self discipline, they remain just morality and will bring us good rewards of creation but if they come from the spring of Christ's seed in a man's spirit, they are the proof of indwelling righteousness in a man. And if the man allows the Christ seed to possess him and subdue his carnal tendencies completely, he will become ultimately the manifestation of God's righteousness. (Php 1:11, 3:9). As for those saying righteousness is nonexistent and impossible, that's why God had to die so that the impossibility can now be possible. So it is possible for those that can activate the mystery of Christ's sacrifice and not just for any Christian 5 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How I Embraced Sexual Purity And Chastity - My Journey by Finallydead: 10:02am On Dec 15, 2019 |
OP, give all the glory to God. It wasn't by your strength you achieved it but by the divine energy released with the divine Voice you heard, else you may have been like many today. For those who seek freedom from the clutches of sexual bondage. You can't win by the arm of flesh. Its easier if you never fall but even if any has fallen, you can come out by the mystery of Grace. Not the empty grace preached by many today, but the real tangible grace found at the Throne that gives men power for righteousness. Seek this as long as God gives you another day to live on this earth. Don't condemn yourself as long as He gives you today, but keep on asking(for as long as you can) each day for grace until you get it and live shamelessly righteous before God. Remember this key- another day, another God-given opportunity to ask grace for selfless-righteousness of God. To the virgins, seek grace to not fall from your privileged position and come under bondage and curses of demons. The Lord uphold you. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Know Thyself: The Miracle Called Man by Finallydead: 9:35am On Dec 15, 2019 |
EternalBeing The fact that Man(we that have submitted our lives to JEUSUS, now live and alive in HIM) so "blindly" and irreversibly adhere to loving YAHWEH ALMIGHTY the Source of Life, who we can't physically see for now or hear as of old, is mystifying the Angels in Heaven. We are a great Miracle to them. They are even more speechless and mystified as they observe how Satan and his demons, temptations and trials of this temporary Life have been unable erase or reduce our love and hunger to eternally please and abide in the Will of our great CREATOR. JESUS is using this to celebrate us so euphorically, we are His prove that His death is not in vain.Truly, this is not mystifying to the angels simply because God has left us with sufficient witness in creation all around us and even within every one of us. Rather they are mystified that we do not give God His deserved worship by obedience as they have learnt to, especially, after His sacrifice on the cross for us. Just like a husband loves to show off his beautiful wife, His heart is always immeasurably gladdened whenever He looks down and sees us in the beauty of Holiness(Holy Life) that He purchased for us with His precious blood. You need to see His Heart and how so unquantifiably proud of us HE is. Living by Faith is the real Purpose of Man in the current dispensation.God will only be pleased and satisfied when we bear the "great"(much in KJV) fruit to Him which represents the manifestation of His selfless love in us(Jn 15:8 ), to the very degree that Jesus Himself showed. YAHWEH stood back to let the Angels watch and see that these humans truly deserve the Glory HE made for them.Exactly. And if we would pass through such a test and display the character of Christ, only then will the angels know that God's sacrifice has paid off in transforming man. Far more than the past Generations of humans, the Angels are more mystified by the current sets of Christians on Earth. We are not just called the chosen Generation for fun. We are so called because we MUST prove that we don't need any feelings, sparks, miracles, shaking of Heaven or Earth to show that our believe in our CREATOR is unshakably irreversible.Not sure what you mean but I know we need the supernatural manifestations of His Spirit(thus we were given, if we didn't need, we wouldn't have been given the Spirit) to lead us to God's ultimate purpose. Many lost their salvation after years of expecting to feel Holy Spirit fall on them, but it didn't happen (it happened without them knowing it). Man, know thyself, you are glorious and your Glory is in the fact that you live by Faith and not by sight. This is what earns you the respect of Satan, demons, Angels in Heaven, and your eventual final immortality after leaving this World. The Just shall LIVE BY FAITH!!! Not by sight or feelings. This is the Life we have been called unto. This is the only Way to eternal Life.You seem to wrongly suppose faith is separate from evidence but if you go down to Heb 11:1 faith is definitely evidential though it is ITSELF, not seen with physical eyes but its effects are eventually. Faith is only real if there is spiritual evidence(within us, reality superimposed on our minds)first which leads to natural, practical evidence, afterwards. What many believers call faith today is therefore not really faith for lack of spiritual and the consequent natural. If the Holy Spirit falls on us too, we would have evidence that is first supernatural (within us) and consequently, natural evidence of non-mechanical(sadly like many churches today fake it), Spirit-inspired language(according to every instance in Acts that He filled men, and even today). |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Spiritual Growth by Finallydead: 8:20am On Dec 15, 2019 |
hisgrace090:Great piece OP. The thing is most believers were never taught that the life of Christ was invested in them and is the center and circumference of Christianity. The best time to have known this was immediately they received this life, when the life was most active and easy to discern. Now, however, for lack of teaching, this life has been suffocated in most to a point of almost inactivity. The thing is to revive that life and make it rule them again will involve a heavy(and seemingly unfruitful initially) investment which most are too discouraged and disoriented by both the world system and the endless, rampant doctrines of demons to pay. However, to the overcomers(Rev 2 and 3) who would be rewarded by the Lord in His day of light, it will be a small price to pay even if it costs them everything. The key principle is to frequently and AOAP begin to imagine and focus on this inner Christ-life in their thought, though now it may seem indiscernible, having long been suffocated, until it translates from an unreal thought in the mind to a reality that all around them can see if they only persevere to the end. As one perseveres(indefinite time) however, they will find the light of life at the end of the tunnel, that will never go out. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Spiritual Growth by Finallydead: 8:20am On Dec 15, 2019 |
Great piece OP. The thing is most believers were never taught that the life of Christ was invested in them and is the center and circumference of Christianity. The best time to have known this was immediately they received this life, when the life was most active and easy to discern. Now, however, for lack of teaching, this life has been suffocated in most to a point of almost inactivity. The thing is to revive that life and make it rule them again will involve a heavy(and seemingly unfruitful initially) investment which most are too discouraged and disoriented by both the world system and the endless, rampant doctrines of demons to pay. However, to the overcomers(Rev 2 and3) who would be rewarded by the Lord in His day of light, it will be a small price to pay even if it costs them everything. The key principle is to begin to imagine and focus on this inner Christ-life in them, though now it may seem indiscernible, having long been suffocated. As one perseveres(indefinite time) however, they will find the light of life at the end of the tunnel, that will never go out. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Salvation? by Finallydead: 6:15am On Dec 15, 2019 |
chiommy123:Actually that's God's benevolence. Our responding correctly to the terms and conditions of the life and Spirit he has given to us, by growing in our relationship with him will give us grace to endure to the end, which is salvation. God bless |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Salvation? by Finallydead: 6:11am On Dec 15, 2019 |
OP, what you've presented here is the correct standpoint in doctrine. However don't be surprised when 'enlightened' ones come against it with scripture quotations that seem to oppose this. You may or may not have a formidable answer from scripture, at the moment, to refute their arguments. But you can be sure that they misunderstand doctrine as long as their position contradicts OTHER portions of scripture. The key then to true knowledge of doctrine is not just knowledge of scriptures, as all are not equally gifted in their ability to assimilate, but it is growing in our relationship with the Holy Spirit, who leads us into all truth and will never lead us to lies. So continue to grow in Him and you will never missit. God bless. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Finallydead: 5:57am On Dec 15, 2019 |
Perfectbeing:Exactly my initial point. You cherry pick a bunch load of scriptures to present a concept totally debunked by other scriptures(e.g. presented by OP, 2Pet2:1,13,20-22, Jude 4-6, Mt 24:12-13, Heb6:4-6, Heb 10:26). This is the proof of a ignorance/misunderstanding of Doctrine. The one who truly understands doctrine is the one that presents concepts that cannot be refuted by ANY portion of scripture but reconciles all perfectly. If you are truly of Christ, I plead with you don't be tied to what you heard from a preacher just because he speaks convincingly but seek the Holy Spirit daily and grow in intimacy with Him, eventually you will understand clearly the Doctrine far beyond what preachers claim and will have spared yourself loss of eternal rewards. God bless |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Finallydead: 5:03pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
Perfectbeing:So you've quoted some scriptures to counter. That's not the test of understanding but a superficial show of shallow knowledge. Can you also deny the scriptures solite3 presented. No. It means you're a cherry picker of scriptures and have no true understanding of what they mean. Many elements form a compound. picking each element by itself is a completely different compound from the whole mixture. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Born Again Christian Lose His Salvation? by Finallydead: 7:36am On Dec 13, 2019 |
solite3:Alas! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Born Again Christian Lose His Salvation? by Finallydead: 11:19pm On Dec 11, 2019 |
solite3:Good to hear bro. Some of these false convictions cost us more than we can imagine. Did you happen to research on the concept of apostasy? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: In D Beginning God Created Heaven And Earth, When Did He Create Hell by Finallydead: 8:36pm On Dec 09, 2019*. Modified: 8:52pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Good question. About this, please understand the scripture is not an encyclopedia written to inform you of every spiritual thing but to get you to learn righteousnes and shun sin, hence you may not find some things of this sort explicitly stated. Do not just because of the limited information, therefore doubt the authenticity of holy scriptures. Do not be presumptuous either to always reconcile all unknowns. Rather, keep first the requirement of righteousness, shunning sin and expect progressively to know all other details. (Mt 6:33) 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Non Believer Cast Out A Devil In The Name Of Jesus? by Finallydead: 6:16pm On Dec 09, 2019*. Modified: 6:47pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Non Believer Cast Out A Devil In The Name Of Jesus? by Finallydead: 6:13pm On Dec 09, 2019*. Modified: 8:03pm On Dec 10, 2019 |
Grace and peace to you sir. Ihedinobi3:Its actually kind of illogical to believe that if we find no instance in scripture of God doing something, He therefore never did or ever will(even if it does not violate any of His principles). Read John 21:25. It is impossible to record all acts of an omnipotent God in a finite book and no one ever attempted to. But all recording in scripture was to present His principles to men (so we may not err) and so that we may believe unto eternal life(John 20:31, 2Tim 3:16) but there are yet new things not imagined that He will do(never contradicting scriptural principles though) for which He gave us ONLY His Spirit for their birthing(1Cor 2:9-10) Yet you lack even this privilege of refuting this as Lk 24:31, Jn 21:4, Jn 20:14, Mk 16:12 all show He took different forms after He resurrected as angels were known to as Heb 13:2 Considering that the Lord Himself made clear that there is "little faith" (Matthew 8:26, for example) and "great faith" (Luke 7:9, for example) and that we are called to "build up ourselves in our most holy Faith" (Jude 1:20).You have only chosen to make baptismS suggest different(several)kinds and faith, one(in progressive degrees) but you should see it as one baptism into Christ(baptism of John/purification of jews was never taught to believers btw because they needed nothing of it) but of different depths(levels or degrees)just as one may drown in the sea but yet sink progressively further until the sea bed(from into Christ(repentance by divine nature), to the Holy Spirit(gifts), into the cup(Mt 20:22-23), into fire (Mt3:11), into Name(Mt 28:19) etc.) yielding different degrees of divine experience and fellowship hence "...baptisms"(Heb 6:2). Just as the Lord was baptized in water(repentance)(this of course not because he had sin but to 'fulfill all righteousness', leaving us a complete example to follow 1Pet 2:21), then in the Holy Spirit(Mt 3:16), then into the cup or sufferings(Mt 20:22), into fire, like the brazen serpent on the cross(Lk 12:49-50), death and burial(Mt 12:40), into the name(Php 2:9). Let's see it this way, baptism is simply going into a realm(like water) you never come out of(Water baptism is only symbolic, so you still come out). The real believers baptism is however simply about going into the sea of Christ once to never come out, yet progressively from depth to depth. I wouldn't say that this part about countless guides or tutors is actually a positive statement. That is to say, that only such people as Paul endorsed to them were people who were good to listen to for them, since Paul was the one with the charge to provide for them spiritually.No. No trace of sarcasm here at all.Paul clearly said as father, his work was to lay foundation, 'plant' (1Cor3:10), but as tutors, others(Apollos, Peter and any others to come) would build on it, 'water'(v 12-13). Paul indeed endorsed certain people, but did not discredit the Lord's endorsement of Apollos, Peter etc., who he didn't personally endorse. This is an Internet forum. I cannot actively avoid interacting with or being interacted with by people whom I would never have anything to do with physically. If the Lord had given me a physical group of people to provide spiritual food for and the likes of some people I have seen here were to come there, they would have been expelled from that group, and I would have had nothing further to do with them.Now you understand why I still engage you, it's not because I hope to change you or to work together (you seem to have wrongly developed this idea from my last post)with you(or anyone else except whoever the Spirit instructs me to that we may have a mutual working of faith in brotherly love. Of course if he ever wanted us to, I would be willing) or to be an authority over you(as you wrongly interpret my corrections to be, no more than Paul hoped to be Peters overseer when he corrected a wrong). If you wish me to and I could avoid contacting you while dispelling your errors, I would. I'm sure yo do not in your heart of hearts, though. I think we are of benefit to each other. I don't consider many people who do what you have done with me brethren at all. I see them as wicked people committed to causing weak believers to stumble. So, all I do with them is limit the actual possibility of accomplishing that.I already know you know your brothers include those who don't agree with 100% of your doctrine and critique it in light of actual scripture. I will be spared such 'brotherhood' for Truth sake. I have provided Scriptures for everything that I have said to you.Only with subjective lens of 'theology' and 'training', some of which I have clearly used a wholistic view of scripture to dispel, some being true. I have a mandate from the Lord as a pastor-teacher. My mission is to fulfill it, not quite to satisfy you, so that is what I will do going forward.May His grace perfect you and help you to. Amen. I have no rewards for you in heaven and I am unworthy of any such high favor from men so I would never imagine you should satisfy me. Nota bene: The reason that I am this way with you is that you are meddlesome. I am not quite convinced that you are a false teacher looking to prevent others from coming to know the Truth. I still think that you are just a very zealous believer who, unfortunately, is untaught in the Truth - some of your ideas are surprisingly correct (your read on the OSAS doctrine and on the business of spiritual growth and associated eternal rewards, for example), but others are expectedly wrong and desperately so (pretty much everything else that you and I have discussed is an example). Still, whether you are doing what you are doing deliberately or ignorantly, it is still doing damage, and that is why I cannot treat you as mildly as I would prefer.I see a 'not seared', tender conscience. The Spirit will reveal what I am to you and we can laugh over all this in heaven. Meddlesome, I wouldn't quite say, just on a similar mission as you, we investigate what comes in here as much as disposed and offer our views for the readers' sake. I'm sure you feel the same way about me, but you are quite wrong to think of me as any kind of danger to God's children. I'm not perfect, but I have been taught the Truth and I'm zealous for the Household of God. I have put much on the line just to learn the Truth and become truly qualified to teach it. So, I am not a danger to the Church. Not that I expect you to believe it, but for the hope that I have concerning you, I have said it anyway.No. I don't think you are a danger to the brothers. I think you have a gift (I pointed out from my very first post, not to affirm you but to show I have no wrong intentions) but just as wheat and chaff that the Lord must thresh with His fire until a chaff-less perfect offering you become (We all are such) (Mt3:11). Every gift given to one is to lead one, as well as others to perfection of love, but if idolized, may hinder one from it. You prove to be well taught in truth but must recognize the best any of us can come to before perfection of love is 'epignosis', sufficient recognition of truth to reproduce a worthy response/lifestyle to the gospel(which is most important btw), while we still have partial 'gnosis' (1Cor13:9) in the mode of partial functions/interdependence of our body cells. God gave one what he did not give the other, so no man will take glory and all will need all others. Paul, after so great a ministry, admitted his limited gnosis(Php 3:10), though his epignosis was undeniable. No pastor-teacher, no matter how skillful in the word of truth has absolute truth but must keep learning, like Paul. Although I have not expressed it until now, I do hope that as the Lord had mercy on me and brought me to the Truth after I spent much of my life teaching errors in my zeal, He will do the same for you. I would be thrilled to help you or to direct you to where I was helped too, but I'm sure that you will not accept my help. So I will only hold out the hope that I have for you.I'm so grateful for this and I'm sure there is much to gain from there but the greatest wisdom for me is to always seek the Spirit and hear what he would instruct me to do next for I am only an unworthy servant and know not how to lead myself. If He ever instructs me to, I will immediately contact you. But also remember that He has many other plantations apart from that you know of and we should be open to gain what we may from each as he leads us from one post to another. The Lord has also been very merciful to me, as to you and He will yet have more mercy on us and reveal more 'gnosis' to us directly through His Spirit of revelation and indirectly, men who have this Spirit. Conclusion: Although I remain a stickler for accurate doctrine as you have presented yourself to be and will not give it up for its worth, as well as tangible power to deliver men from satanic bondage. In the end, our greatest feat on earth, for which we will be rewarded is Christlike love and our manifesting the Christ life to men so they may see Him living through us(the true proof of His resurrection) and see nothing more of ourselves(the true proof of His death). May we both come to this after all our doctrine. Amen. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Non Believer Cast Out A Devil In The Name Of Jesus? by Finallydead: 5:55pm On Dec 09, 2019*. Modified: 6:14pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Does The Success Of A Church Consist In The Abundance Of Possession It Has? by Finallydead: 10:17am On Dec 08, 2019*. Modified: 3:07pm On Dec 08, 2019 |
jesusjnr Money comes in three ways. 1. God gives money(Job), (Deut.8:18, Hag 2:8, Ps 50:12) 2. Satan also gives money.(Mt 4:9) 3. Your skills and developed abilities under two categories (a) derived from Adam i.e. naturally developed (still from the Creator though) or (b)from your spiritual gift (believers in Christ) Both 3(a) and 3(b) give money and that is whether the natural/spiritual gift is used under God's template of the selflessness of Christ or selfishly (including taking advantage of/manipulating others) (1)and (2) come at a difficult price however. Hence majority of human population (including believers today) falls in category (3)(a or b) But if ministerial success was based on finance, Paul, as well as other apostles(Acts3:6), was certainly a failure because not only did he not always have (Php 4:12, 2Cor 11:27) but he even raised poor churches he had to support from other wealthier churches (2Cor 8:11-14). But success in ministry to them was to present everyone perfect in Christ(Col 1:28-29, 2Pet 1:12-15). For this, they in fact chose to give up gain(financial profits)(1Tim6:11-12) even to the point of dissociating with those that pursued gain(1Tim6:5-6). Only God knows how many ministers Paul would have dissociated with today. Also, church of Laodicea comes to mind. They were indeed wealthy in silver and gold(Rev 3:17), yet were the most rebuked church of all the churches in God's judgement(Rev 3:16-18). Conclusion: Money is innocent(the maker and user may not be). Money is useful for doing both good and evil. But in view of eternal judgement, give it only its due place. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Non Believer Cast Out A Devil In The Name Of Jesus? by Finallydead: 8:19am On Dec 08, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3:Angels with glorified bodies, SOMETIMES, took disguised human forms(Gen 19:5, so that the Sodomites desired them rather than being afraid, and countless other texts, if you read your bible) hence the admonition...show hospitality to strangers...UNAWARES. If after the Lord resurrected with a glorified body, his body couldn't transform (when He pleased) to disguised human forms as the angels, then He didn't resurrect with all power and authority because angels can do what He can't. This he clearly did in (Mk 16:12) But it is interesting that you say that there are "several Christian baptisms." This is what I read in the Bible:You must be one of those who pick and choose scriptures while IGNORING others to suit your position rather than reconcile scriptures together like skillful teachers do(2Tim2:15). As there is "one faith", we also move from "faith to faith"(Rom1:17). Only one glory but from "glory to glory"(2Cor 3:18). Only one grace but from "grace to grace"(Jn 1:16). So also "one baptism" but from one level to another, hence baptismS(Heb 6:2). You even prove this by distinguishing two baptisms, baptism into the name(though your definition is very wrong) from the baptism of the Holy Spirit(Acts1:5). Maybe one day, you should learn the doctrine of baptismS. (Heb6:2) Teaser: What baptism was the Lord talking about here(Lk 12:50) AFTER he was filled with the Holy Spirit(Lk 4:1), like we are filled(baptized) in (Acts 1:5, Acts2:4). Also which was he speaking of to John and James(Mt20:22-23). "Name" is another way of saying "Person." [s]Peter calls this "partaking of the divine Nature." [/s]The New Testament is filled from end to end with references and teachings of the joining of the believer with the Lord (that is, the Trinity)No sir. You neither know what the baptism in Mt 28:20 nor Mk 16:17 is but have simply picked a stance. But when you receive this baptism, those signs will follow you, as the Lord said. Mark 16:16, on the other hand, says "baptize" without qualification. That ALMOST always means water baptism in THEOLOGY and in the Bible. You will see Paul also use the word the same way in 1 Corinthians 1. The context is often the final arbiter. Here, the context does not provide the distinction that made it clear to the disciples what kind of baptism the Lord was talking about.And so you 'helped' him qualify from your lens. Your 'theology' or any others' does not determine the mind of God. Please don't help God define what he meant because you don't know it and have much to learn, like APOSTLE Paul and all of us(1Cor13:9) 15 For though you may have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.Did you actually read this and miss the part that says, though you may have countless tutors... Only one person can birth you into faith, but countless may contribute to yours, if you wish, else Paul would have said Apollos and Peter were in the wrong for watering but ALL he says are "of Christ" and "ALL(tutors of Christ) ARE YOURS"(1Cor 3:22. Note also: Do not glory in any man, father or tutor(pastor-teacher)(1Cor3:21). The Scriptures actually tell us to quit engaging a heretic or a divisive person after we have warned them twice (see Titus 3:9-11). In other words, by now, if you had any respect for the Bible, you should not even be discussing with me anymore. I assure you that I am not going to change what I teach, certainly not because you "begged" or "pleaded" with me too, however many times you wish to do it. But I feel pretty confident that I have not seen the last of you, [s]but you are certainly going to hear nothing more from me going forward.[/s]As usual, mind games that would never work on me. You have definitely not seen the last of me if you remain on this forum and post anything harmful to others. This will not be about changing your opinion but always about the innocent reader, who ALREADY wants to do God's will and may be shortchanged by your errors. You are a hypocrite in this too, if you also correct threads of proven heretic authors here like you always do, ...Sabina.. comes to mind, or engage heretic teachers with more than two replies. You claim to do so however for the sake of readers. If you can suggest to me anyway I can correct your falsehoods so every reader can see without engaging you directly, I would welcome it. For me I waste no time trying to change a man's view, I have learnt that only God does this. You also admit by your decision to stop correcting my errors that you have been trying to change my view, NOT to help the readers, which is why seeing you can't, you will no longer engage me. .[/quote]Conclusion: I only wish you quit at this point as I wish to end this here too(its become redundant). Any reader has sufficient information to pick his stance. You clearly have nothing from scripture to dispute my claims. We can, however, both use what we have to do more relevant work, correcting errors on other threads to help the innocent readers (maybe the one common goal we have) and learning from others. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Difference Between ‘christ In You’ And ‘you In Christ’? by Finallydead: 5:03pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
Before I say anything, let me clarify. Did you say the Lord actually appeared to you and gave you this revelation you're sharing? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: "Poor In Spirit", What Does It Mean? by Finallydead: 2:49pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
Blabbermouth:If by press into, you mean what i called praying until you get these, then I don't know if I said wrong. If you're correcting something I said wrong, please point it clearly out for me. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Adam, The Created Man by Finallydead: 2:45pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:For time sake, could we go directly to the meat of this so I can lend my opinion and learn from yours. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Adam, The Created Man by Finallydead: 2:44pm On Dec 07, 2019*. Modified: 6:49pm On Dec 25, 2019 |
MhizVee:Hi. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Non Believer Cast Out A Devil In The Name Of Jesus? by Finallydead: 11:55am On Dec 07, 2019*. Modified: 12:27pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3:A limited perspective. If God cannot change His appearance, then He certainly did not resurrect with all power and authority as even ordinary angels can do this( Heb13:2). ii. Verse 14. Luke records the first meeting of the Risen Lord with the remaining members of the Twelve in Luke 24:33-36. They were with other believers in Jerusalem receiving the report of the two disciples from Emmaus when the Lord showed Himself to them for the first time. Even His Words on this occasion are recorded and we see very little of this "rebuke" that is recorded here.Again a limited perspective, you look from. There is no exclusiveness of both events, because each gospel narrative complements the other, some highlighting one detail, others, another detail. Even all put together, still leave out some events. (Jn 21:25) iii. Verse 16. The Lord never ordained water baptism. What He said in Matthew 28:19 was that teaching the Gospel is the same as baptizing anyone who believes it into the Trinity.Your subjective proposition again. You have of course, only chosen to help the Lord define the baptism he meant in Mt 28. And have by yourself, made the baptism in Mk 16:16 to mean water baptism. Your lens is your problem. iv. Verses 17-18. This is one reason that many who love to think of this passage as part of the Bible do. Yet, it stands in direct opposition to 1 Corinthians 12-14. It certainly does not lend itself very easily to agreement with Acts 1:8.You just don't understand what baptism is here meant(...doctrine of baptisms...Heb6:2), as there are several Christian baptisms. If only you knew what provision goes with this particular baptism(same here as in Mt 28), It is not in the class of what you find in 1Cor 12-14, Acts 1:8. But don't worry, as the building of the Lord is completed, these things will come to light. v. Verse 19. The Lord ascended from the Mount of Olives "in the vicinity of Bethany." See Acts 1:12 and Luke 24:50, not from Jerusalem. And He did not ascend right after His Resurrection. Acts records that He appeared to the disciples over a period of 40 days before He ascended. This verse stands in direct contradiction of all that.Once again, subjective proposition. Where was it emphatically told of where He ascended from. If you study the gospels very well, especially Mark, you will see his is the least for continuity and details. He doesn't tell us v18 and v19 are directly continuous(there could any length of time in between) but only that one happened after the other, as he also doesn't describe the details of His ascent. So please be careful when tampering with scripture, you may be heaping on yourself(Rev 22:19), all because of a simple limited human perspective. You are not clearly either to me. I am not sure what you are. So far, it just seems to me like you are one of those very fiery, zealous believers who have perhaps a strong teaching gift and some knowledge of the Bible, but absolutely no training in the Bible.I am clearly under scriptural authotity, it is you who rejects scripture and hold on to the traditions of men that you have learnt. Otherwise show me an instance where I failed to give scriptural support for my stance. However, even with refutations from scripture, you keep your traditions with only the support that "you were trained by a teacher.." and I can't nor will ever try to take this right from you. It is also better to have "no training in the bible" and enter the kingdom "as a child"(Mt 18:3) than to be as trained as the pharisees and shut the doors of it to men(Lk 11:52) with bible school falsehood traditions of men, which quench the Holy Spirit. You can make some connections, but you are not able yet to learn from anybody.Haha. Ask me and I could give you a endless catalogue of men I have learnt one or two things from(and you probably would learn from if you're humble enough), most also coming from the Holy Spirit Himself who God has given to us all for spiritual education of those who give Him His rightful place. It is you however, who l see cannot learn from anyone outside of your "pastor-teacher", not even the Holy Spirit Himself, as you believe you both only have custody of the full, flawless understanding of the things of God, needing nothing more from outside your enclave, as the eye that says I do not need the hand (1Cor 12:21). (I hope I am wrong in this). I have no desire, time, or energy to correct it.Ah! all these I see you have but 'lack' only when scripture is clearly against your false traditions. You are at least bordering right now on (2), which is why I tend not to talk to you, and people like that tend to end up in (1).Your deliberately warped impression, which I consider mind games as a result of obvious inability to dispute my claims from scripture doesn't deter me. Make more wrong propositions, and if I find out and feel I should correct them, I definitely would. Love for the brethren(readers),as you said, will make to. And yes, you do talk to me, but of course only before I disarm you with scriptural refutations to any falsehood you present. Finally, although this is a hobby for you, it is not the same for me. I am here as a pastor-teacher offering both spiritual food and protection for any believer willing to receive them from me. So, if you are not helping, you are meddling.Pastor-teacher, apostle, prophet or whatever title you have. We all, like Paul, know in part and see through a vague mirror for now(1Cor 13:9,12). As Paul reproved APOSTLE Peter, only pride will make you indisposed to reproof. If I am not "helping" you, I may at least help others from falling into any falsehood you present here, and that, just as a hobby. If you aren't mature enough to entertain this, I advise you stay off a public forum. Note also that I consider your accusation of 'meddling' a subtle way of trying to take my freedom of speech and correction of your falsehoods, for the sake of others, away from me. A 'psychological' bullying. And that will carry a reward from the Lord.Is this another mind game. Funny. You know nothing of my rewards from the Lord. I even doubt you know yours. You are not talking to a babe in Christ that you can ward off with things like this. 1. I do have evidence for your hounding of me. This is only one piece of it:Even though you wittily removed the beginning of that sentence." Please read ....and stop spreading these delusions of demons". It still fails conspicuously, as you have presented it, to take away your choice to keep spreading the delusions, as it is only a suggestion, hoping you care about souls of men. If then you want to call this hounding, I will hound you yet more when you spread delusions and I want to do so but please don't in any way feel under "hounding" pressure to stop whenever I plead you do, I assure you that I am harmless as a dove and never imagine to take your freedom of choice away. Conclusion: Although I may sound really blunt with you in my criticisms, please know that I have not failed to recognize your teaching gift, but only wish to encourage you to see that we ALL know in part (1Cor 13:9, though you seem not to accept this) and I may need you today while you will need someone else(not me, as you have rejected me)tomorrow(apart from your teacher). I've been blessed by so many brothers who have crossed my path and helped me to advance and I am always looking for more gains from new contacts, l don't care if its even an ignoramus. After all said and done, with the love of God, I wish you a fruitful ministry in the Lord and commend you to His grace to His grace that it will perfect you. I also appreciate if you wish me same. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Adam, The Created Man by Finallydead: 9:02am On Dec 07, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:1. Not too sure I get your question but for what it's worth. Maybe God did that by creating prototypes(adam inclusive) and putting regenerative ability in each. 2. Adam was a prototype(for remote-controlling the universe Ps.115:16, Ps.82:6) having an Female(for regeneration) inside of him but was obviously for undisclosed reasons unable to connect with this Female until she was brought out of Him by God hence being "alone". Gen 3:18 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Speak With Men Today?? by Finallydead: 7:37pm On Dec 06, 2019 |
Boywiszy:My dear friend, God definitely does speak. That was part of why He put His Spirit in the believer. If the believer is appropriately discipled in the spiritual, he can learn to hear God at will and tangibly experience God on progressively higher levels. The problem is that today's christianity does not teach believers how to relate with God one on one, so many are shortchanged and settle for superficial spirituality, make-believe or even non-spirituality altogether. However, as regards another, do not be gullible as anyone can claim to hear God whether they do or not. The appropriate way to judge this is to also check with your own spirit(not your carnal intellect) bearing witness as well as compatibility of the message with sound biblical doctrine, otherwise some conmen who are out for your money will scam you in broad daylight in the name of the 'lord' or even diviners with familiar spirits will lead you astray. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Non Believer Cast Out A Devil In The Name Of Jesus? by Finallydead: 6:05pm On Dec 06, 2019*. Modified: 12:23pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
missjo:I do hope you actually get my point so we don't get lost in talking. To make it easier, from your txt, let me point it out 13.....unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; i.e. A principle we can glean from this is: If we focus on building up(edifying ourselves) to maturity (growing by relating with the Holy Spirit), we will gradually come to know the true and full doctrine/knowledge of God that brings us eternal rewards beyond just a ticket to heaven, thereby easily avoiding the sway of wrong doctrines that lead to eternal losses. This is the right way to learn the knowledge of God not just mere reading and research (which still has its rightful place. But at the same time is in fact the real reason for denominations/sects and divisions in Christianity you spoke of). If we all seek to grow in our relationship with the Spirit, we will have less divisions and will together gradually unite in faith towards perfection. If we however continue to read the scriptures only with our distorted vision(for wee all see darkly 1Cor13:12) trying to solve all puzzles, we will have more division. Get it now? Once again, I say, unequivocally, do not entertain any iota ignorance in your life(it will cost you a lot in eternal rewards) but seek more of the knowledge of God (from the cross to beyond) until you have it all. How? Growing in your relationship with God(Jude:20) by seeking more of the the Spirit not just through the letter. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Non Believer Cast Out A Devil In The Name Of Jesus? by Finallydead: 2:50pm On Dec 06, 2019*. Modified: 3:19pm On Dec 06, 2019 |
missjo:For clarity purposes, I have made some modifications to my last post. Take note. And yes, your accurate knowledge of Doctrine has everything to do with how you are admitted into His presence(2Pet 1:5- 11 ). Also (2Pet 1:2, Eph 4:13-15). If your knowledge is faulty you may miss this millenial reign,I assure you(some would) and even lose available rewards for improper application of the gospel. |
