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TUANKU:
You totally lost it.

Newton must have lost "it" too when he proposed the law of the universe that "every object exerts a gravitational force on every other object in the universe". That's as true as that our actions on this earth affect every other planet both physically and metaphysically

Jodera:
Gosh! I'm truly amazed. The fact that above 80% of people who commented here actually criticized the op really means they never truly read it from beginning to the end. Nigerians and no-reading culture is what will finally finish us in this country. Some are attacking the op, some are insulting him, all because they didn't read to the end, perhaps, just headlines and the first two paragraphs. It's really pathetic.
To those that didn't read, I sorry for una!!

Are u saying what he wrote is perfect and cannot be criticised in any aspect? I wouldn't say so.

Before I begin, I would like us all to acknowledge that we only know in part and prophesy in part(1Cor 13:9-11) (I included) and our ignorance does not in any way discredit God but reveals that we are not God(omniscient).
@OP stop manipulating scriptures, John 14:26 means only remembrance(not understanding) and I checked that with several Greek lexicons, so please always be humble and reverent enough to not adjust scriptures to match your theories no matter how true they seem to be to you.
Now to the discourse, It is wrong to think that Jesus Christ words at any point only referred to the specific timeframe he ministered in. (3 1/2 yrs). Our God is not myopic rather "he calls the things that be not as if they already were" His words transcended even the age that Pauls words did (which for the most part covered the gentile age). Rather, He spoke of even up to the last days and His coming ( altogether the "kingdom of heaven" age). The words he spoke serve as a foundation for all the teachings of the apostles as well as their crowning/finishing. We can NEVER, i repeat NEVER progress from his teachings to the apostles', rather we must progress from that of the apostles to His. Again there is no dissonance between His words and the apostles', but we need the wisdom of God (from the Holy Spirit) to see how they all fit together into a seamless piece in spite of seeming incoherence( due to our corrupted perception). Also, it might help you to know that Paul on his own can never be an authority for establishing doctrine but everything you believe about Pauls teachings should be witnessed to by other apostles (and when u understand them clearly, u'll see they already are) because it is only by the mouth of two or three witnesses that any matter will be established. ( Deut 17:16, 1Cor 14:29).
A safe rule is always follow the teachings of Jesus because the teachings of the apostles, when correctly understood, can only agree to the root from where they sprang and NEVER contradict it and whenever you don't understand just seek the Holy Spirits help or men who are capable(risky tho)

jarrot:
What about other planets with no evidence of life but experience natural disasters?
Who is your God punishing ?

Bro, whoever said God was punishing anyone, whoever said there's no life on other planets just cause we haven't scientifically detected it, whoever said our actions here on earth don't affect other planets

TUANKU:
This question is deep, these religious bigots don't have that depth.

Sorry bro, ain't deep at all, rather myopic, whoever said God was punishing anyone, whoever said there's no life on other planets just cause we haven't scientifically detected it, whoever said our actions here on earth don't affect other planets?

Before I begin, I would like us all to acknowledge that we only know in part and prophesy in part(1Cor 13:9-11) ( I included) and our ignorance does not in any way discredit God but only reveals that we are not God(omniscient), so in trying to reveal the knowledge of God let us never think that whatever we have seen is all there is to it. Now @OP, u made a few valid points by saying that we see God clearly only in Jesus Christ over any other divine inspiration but don't forget we only see Jesus Christ in the measure of His revelation in us that we have. So we understand Jesus (including the partial exposé given in scriptures about him) only according to this measure. A good scripture that could give light concerning the subject is that u mentioned, about The Lord stopping the wind and the waves (the storm) on more than one occasion. If God stopped the storm, then He didn't initiate it. So obviously God is not behind every natural disaster. What then is behind natural disasters? The challenge humanity has in these issues is that we have limited the scope of science to only the physical universe and excluded the metaphysical. We know that we have a tangible body that we can experiment with in the lab but should we then deny the real emotions we feel which are intangible or our thoughts we think which are intangible. So there are metaphysical realities then with physical effects. Likewise, as we have learnt to cooperate with physical laws (which God set), mankind must also learn to cooperate with metaphysical laws (by obeying Gods laws guiding our character). We don't blame God when someone touches a high tension wire and gets electrocuted to death, it's just messing with physical laws that caused that, right? And if you bounce a hard ball off a wall and it bounces back to hit your head, you don't blame God, no, it's just physical laws ("Action and reaction". Likewise natural disasters are only a reaction of nature to our breaking metaphysical laws which govern it even though we refuse to acknowledge that. When Abel killed Cain unjustly the earth drank innocent blood and immediately reacted but only God heard it because it's reaction was infinitesimal, however with more innocent blood going into the earth (through murders e.t.c.) and all other perversions perpetrated by men, we have reactions on a magnified scale causing earthquakes, tsunamis e.t.c. and the sacrifice of Jesus Christ cannot stop this without first dealing with the sin in men which makes them break the laws thereby preventing their sin and hence the effects (including some natural disasters).
Note also that some natural disasters are caused by spiritual beings according to the degree of Liberty men consciously or unconsciously give them. In the book of Job for instance we see that when Satan afflicted Job, he caused hailstones to consume his property (Job 1:16) and as the habit of men is, they attributed it to God. Today as men interact with some of these beings for some selfish interests, they likewise give them certain levels of Liberty which could lead to some disasters and other evils we see on the earth. And God also at the time of his wrath spoken of in revelation, will bring certain natural disasters on the earth which will be side effects of restoring equilibrium to his universe which has been altered by sins of men. I'll have to stop here for now, will return soon.

CAPSLOCKED:
I WAS BORN WITH THIS RARE GENETIC DISORDER.
IT'S CALLED WISDOM.

Wise one, you somehow maybe consciously failed to answer my questions while responding to others' posts. A one year old (anyone u can ask about God will fit into this category) was asked by a five year old (u in this case) to describe his father. The one year old then made some incoherent sounds. The five year old then responded that since the one year old couldn't, it only meant he had no father. Bro, the misconceptions and incoherent ideas men(from pastors to sinners) have about God will never justify your argument against his existence. Now try to go back and answer my questions if u can, wise one.
I'm waiting.

CAPSLOCKED:
CHRIST SHOULD BE BLAMED FOR YOUR INABILITY TO FOLLOW HIM, AND I BACK UP THIS STATEMENT WITH THE FOLLOWING POINTS OF MINE.

1. CHRIST (SAME AS GOD, RIGHT?) BEING ALL-KNOWING KNEW THE HISTORY AND LIFE OF AN UNBELIEVER THAT WILL EXIST IN 2019 RIGHT FROM THE TIME BEFORE HE CREATED ADAM.

2. SO CHRIST CREATES THE WORLD, EXPECTS PEOPLE TO FOLLOW HIM, BUT GOES INTO HIDING FOR CENTURIES...
LEAVING US WITH DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF A "WORD OF GOD" CENTERED AROUND MURDER, RAPE, MASS GENOCIDE, WARS, MISOGYNY, SLAVERY, FLYING AND TALKING ANIMALS, AND TONS OF UNBELIEVABLE SUPERSTITIOUS TALES.

NOW HE FAILS TO SHOW UP TO LEAD AND MAKE PEOPLE BELIEVE. INSTEAD WE'RE LEFT WITH CONFLICTING DENOMINATIONS OF CHRISTIANITY BASED ON HIS CONFLICTING HOLY BOOK, CONFLICTING RELIGIONS, AND FRAUDSTERS CLAIMING TO BE HIS MESSENGERS SINCE HE (CHRIST) IS DUMB AND CANNOT SPEAK NOR ACT FOR HIMSELF. THESE FRAUDSTERS, MANY OF THEM APPEAR IN SHINY SUITS EVERY SUNDAY TO MISLEAD THE MASSES THE MORE, AND PERFORM TRICKS AND FAKE MIRACLES... AND END UP RAKING IN MILLIONS OF PEOPLE'S MONEY.

3. HE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED THE WORLD AND ARRANGED MATTERS IN SUCH A WAY THAT PEOPLE WILL GENERALLY FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF THE FAMILY THEY'RE BORN INTO.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE SO MANY FAMILIES AND COUNTRIES THAT DON'T KNOW ABOUT CHRIST. EVEN THOUGH THEY HEAR ABOUT HIM ONCE IN A WHILE, IT SOUNDS TO THEM THE WAY OSCAR OASIS OR WINNIE THE POOH SOUNDS TO YOU. THEY JUST WAVE HIM ASIDE.

AND ACCORDING TO YOU CHRISTIANS (AND MUSLIMS) AND YOUR PREACHERS, NON-CHRISTIANS (AND NON-MUSLIMS) ARE LIABLE TO GO TO HELL. THIS MAKES BILLIONS OF PEOPLE AND FAMILIES EXISTING IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES WHERE CHRISTIANITY (AND ISLAM) IS A MOVIE TITLE TO THEM CANDIDATES OF ETERNAL TORTURE AND SORROW IN YOUR LOVING GOD'S HELL FIRE.

THESE FAMILIES KEEP PRODUCING BABIES, AND THESE BABIES TAKE UP THEIR FAMILY'S DEFAULT RELIGION. CHRIST BEING THE GIVER OF CHILDREN KEEPS SUPPLYING KIDS TO THOSE NON-CHRISTIAN FAMILIES AND COUNTRIES.. WHICH MEANS HE KEEPS RECRUITING MORE CANDIDATES FOR HELL. I DON'T KNOW. HE NEVER SHOWS UP. AND IF IT'S A VIOLENT COUNTRY HE NEVER SENDS ANY OF HIS FRAUDSTERS IN SHINY SUIT OVER THERE TO SPREAD THE WORD. SO THEY KEEP EXISTING AND EXPANDING WITHOUT CHRIST BECAUSE HIS DIVINELY PROTECTED MESSENGERS CANNOT GO THERE TO SPREAD THE WORD, AND CHRIST HIMSELF IS IN COMA. CANNOT WALK (OR FLY) NOR TALK, NOR ACT. CANNOT INFLUENCE ANYTHING AND ALL THE IDEAS WE HAVE ABOUT HIM ARE BEING CREATED BY MEN FOR SELFISH MANIPULATIVE PURPOSES.

4. ON MY PART AS A FORMER CHRISTIAN, THE WORD OF CHRIST (THE BIBLE) DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A GENUINE MANUAL FROM THE PERFECT GOD I WAS TAUGHT ABOUT IN SUNDAY SCHOOL.
HIS MESSENGERS IN SHINY SUIT ARE SIMILAR TO HIGHWAY ROBBERS WHO CARE ABOUT NOTHING ELSE BUT YOUR MONEY.
HIS PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL ABSENCE IN REAL SENSE IS A THING TO WORRY ABOUT AND I CAN'T PRETEND TO "FEEL HIM IN MY HEART WHEN I PRAY" LIKE OTHER CHRISTIANS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK.
THE EXISTENCE OF THOUSANDS OF RELIGIONS, AND THE FACT THAT CHILDREN GENERALLY FOLLOW THEIR PARENT'S RELIGION SHOWS THAT PEOPLE MAKE UP THESE SILLY RELIGIONS BECAUSE IT MAKES THEM FEEL GOOD. SO WHY SHOULD I WASTE MY LIFE TO LIVE AND DIE FOR MEN'S SPIRITUAL (IMAGINARY) INVENTIONS?



THE WORLD IS SUFFERING. GLOBAL POVERTY, DISEASES AND NATURAL DISASTERS.
TOO MANY RELIGIONS. TOO MANY IDEAS OF A CREATOR GOD.. ALL DEPENDING ON THE GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION.
CHRIST IS REFUSING TO SHOW UP NO MATTER HOW ANYBODY PRAYS OR CALLS ON HIM.
WE CAN'T EVEN PRAY AWAY A DEADLY DISEASE, A RAPIST, A SERIAL KILLER.. OR A NATURAL DISASTER, CREATED BY THE LOVING CHRIST TO CAUSE PAIN AND DAMAGES ON EARTH.

IN MY BOOK, I HAVE NO REASON TO FOLLOW CHRIST, OR ANY RELIGION IN EXISTENCE. THE THREATS OF GOING TO HELL (WHEN I DIE) WON'T CHANGE MY MIND.

TO BE FOLLOWED, YOU HAVE TO BE THERE TO LEAD.
CHRIST IS NEVER THERE TO LEAD OR DO ANYTHING FOR THAT MATTER.

HE ALONE IS TO BE BLAMED FOR PEOPLE'S INABILITY TO FOLLOW HIM.

You seem to feel justified in answering questions and solving puzzles you never bothered to verify the validity of yet you claim to be a truth seeker. A truth-seeker must understand how not to allow people's opinions come between him and his quest but you only succeeded in debunking mostly falsely conceived opinions of men. I will begin with you from here:

1. How did the universe begin to exist and if you say it's a Big Bang, you wouldn't be wrong but you will still need to explain the cause of this in context of the law of the universe: "Energy can neither be created..."

2. Again, since you pride yourself in your ability to reason, you also should justify this ability in the context of an initial unintelligent energy source/being (Non-God) in the same context of the law of the universe: "Energy can neither be created nor destroyed...".

3. Also try to justify a universe so complex and yet upheld by laws of science( which you somehow believe in asides God's existence) which keep it in equilibrium and sustain its continuity if there is no such intelligent being

MiaB:
Sounds like someone that's suicidal and has finally given up on life. �

Dear goodness! That couldn't be farther from the truth. Ma'am if you know the death I speak of you'd know it's d beginning of d greatest life and adventure possible on planet earth. The only thing suicidal about it is the intensity of the joy, love and hope energies flowing inside can sometimes seem to wanna kill you. Believe me! A beginning of life on another plane where the sun is risen for good and never sets. U dig?

Then again, this re-emphasises your proverb - don't judge a book by its cover.

[quote author=MiaB post=82275410][/quote]How does my moniker contradict my posts?

MiaB:
your moniker is contradicting with your posts, and about my dp don't judge a book by it's cover

Really, how's my moniker doing that? and about your dp I wasnt thinking that pic was the cover of ur "book" believe me, (that might have been a little shallow of me too), I didn't even know if that was you at all. just thought it was strange.

MiaB:
Your moniker tho

Yeah, how bout it? and ur pic tho!

tintingz:
- Again if God is good why did he create evil like Satan?

- What Justice is God looking for when he can see the future and knows everything?

- If I can act independently from God's predestination, does it mean God didn't know my fate?

Look at my modified post, I think a careful reading would answer these questions
Again bro, don't be proud enough to think you can challenge His wisdom, even if you don't have reasonable answers to all questions in this world, you will in the end in eternity and you will only see where YOU (not God) missed a thing or two or overlooked something and even you at that time will admit without coercion that He is just when you see from His glorious light. So make up your mind to do right always even when you don't know all the answers and hope for as many answers as will come.

tintingz:
1. If God is love and good such thing as evil will never exist. He's the creator and knows every possible thing that will happen in future, so again if he's all loving and good, no evil will exist not even a room for it.

It's either God is incapable or he's malevolent.

2. God is said to be the creator of all, everything that exist still lead back to him being the cause except you want to tell him God didn't create all.

Like they say he's omnipotent and omniscient.

He can simply make amendment from onset since he posses those powers not this unecessary drama we read in religious texts.



3. Let me ask, before you are born, did God predestined your life? If yes, can you act independently from this predestination?

1. Bro if you're born again, you should have experienced the bliss of Gods life inside of you and then I would have to wonder how you could see God this way. I know God is good even before logic coz I've experienced his life inside of me-unexplainable love, joy and peace. From that starting point I have gradually seen that even logic shows God is good. Good and evil has always existed because there is God(good) and then the possibility outside of God(evil). If not we can't have a choice between

2. God puts justice before ability/power. He will do what is just not just what He can. It is unjustto create a being without freewill to choose good and evil if you want to make him an administrator in your kingdom over other created beings and also to prevent a being from experiencing the consequences of his actions good or evil


3. Of course, you can act independently, he doesn't predestine your choice, he predestines his will/goal which will be ultimately achieved even if you fail to do your part which he predestined for you originally because someone/something else will be born to do it in your place. This is a very simple point we keep going over. There is such a thing as substitution when God sees you've made your choice against him. It's all over the scriptures with Eli and Samuel, Saul and David, Israel and the gentile church e.t.c.

tintingz:
If God didn't want human to suffer why then did he allow suffering to exist?

Why can't God just make human perfect and save all these unecessary drama?

You're a leader, you know the future and you have all the power to stop Boko Haram attack, why did you choose not to stop Boko Haram but allow them to destroy people's life?

Preordaining someone's life means you already determine their life, how is freewill gonna work here?

You can't have freewill and again God has already predestined what your end will be, it's conflicting.

You're asking reasonable questions but just a little problem, u seem to be asking from a position of God already got it wrong somewhere. Careful now! Whenever it seems that way, u can rightly assume you're just not seeing the whole picture Because God is a loving and just God and will do no evil to his creation and he dwells in the high heavens while you dwell on this low earth with a very myopic view compared to his Is 55:8-9 but as I said its ok to ask when u don't understand and to seek until you are satisfied.

Now to your query, God didn't create suffering, suffering is rather a state outside of his perfect design which we choose whenever we're tempted to go against his perfect will so we "create" and have been creating it even without knowing whenever we disobey Him. The story of Adam illustrates this There was no such suffering in Eden until Adam rebelled and continuous rebellion has led to increased suffering. God wants to rectify this that's why he came to suffer but he will have to have men cooperate with him and follow his righteousness because again he can effect nothing on earth without men's cooperation. Ps115:16, Mat 6:9-10.

Again you're totally wrong to think freewill cannot coexist with pre ordinations of God. I've already said so before, the preordination by God is for a certain goal and each of us is given the opportunity to do our part in fulfilling it but as that depends on our freewill we may never do it. That will not however stop Gods goal from being fulfilled boos someone else might even have to be born just to do what you failed to do and in the end Gods gaol is still accomplished. If I have a business and I want my sons to work with me and take it over eventually and they refuse, then if I were God I'd make me more children until I finally have some to do as I wish That way I don't force anyone to choose my will but I ensure my preordained will is eventually done.

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tintingz:
Since God has the power to do anything and knows each everyone destiny, why put humans on earth to suffer? If God is actually benevolent he should do something that will not be bad for his creation.

Secondly, God is the one controlling people's life if he's the one that predestined everything.

If u read my post again you'd see d answer to your question. God put man on earth, not to suffer but coz he wanted him to be a part of a heavenly kingdom that has dos and donuts with real repercussions. Here is like a training ground so he wouldn't make costly mistakes in this heavenly kingdom. All the suffering of man on earth is due to one man's or another's wrong. So we can learn from this the consequence of not choosing Gods choices. However, God has also provided a way out of all suffering which is choosing his ways. The more we do the better things will get with time.

About your second point, God has a preordained plan for everyone but he doesn't force us into it and yeah, it may never materialise for us if we don't follow his plans and demands. So the way God is in control is that WITH TIME his preordained will will eventually come to pass if not with you then someone else and if not today then tomorrow but surely

UyaiIncomparabl:
Missed her chance and reward just for baby Jesus? I don't even know what you're on about?

Everyone's given a part to play in bringing Gods will to pass and since we have free will,we get rewarded for choosing to play that part (which is by our living for him) but if u don't obey, u miss your reward and someone else gets it. So God's will will be eventually done but you will choose whether you'll be a part of the story. U dig?

If we stopped attending 99% of churches today, it would not affect us negatively. If we focus on living according to Gods righteousness, it will completely positively revolutionise our lives. Here lies the problem of Christianity today. We will all be judged not for attending church but for our righteous lives we lived on earth and only real contact with God's Spirit can bring us into the beginning of God's righteousness.

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PCRepairer:
Thanks for the update! I have been thinking of asking my pastor about it

more question, why didnt he make everyone of us comfortable? why are some comfortable and some are not?

God knows devil is the root of all the evil on earth, why didnt he eliminate him at once? why is he waiting for the last day?


Check my signature, if you know, you know

God can never make a move on earth without a mans cooperation in one way or another be it prayer,obedience, love, righteousness etc.God's not a man like you. He cannot reverse his decrees. They are like a chemical change and that's why he put you on earth first before you meet him in heaven so as you learn to accept the laws of earth you will also learn to cooperate with heavenly laws and then join him in heaven. The irreversible decree here is in Ps 115:16 so it's only men that can bring God to this earthly scene and that's why the Lord Jesus asked us to pray his kingdom come and his will be done. It depends on men that Gods will be done in their personal lives and in the earth as a whole. Balls in your court bro. By the way he doesn't make us comfortable or not it's simply the cause and effect chain playing out but he can make any situation right and to his advantage

AbdlRashid:
If everything has been written down and predestined, why pray for something already written?
And those quoting if you have to ask your parents for school fees and feeding them you should ask God through prayers, but they forget rich kids don't need to ask before it is done. Some don't even know when their fees is being paid. Spirituality and religion is just complicated.

God can never make a move on earth without a mans cooperation in one way or another be it prayer,obedience, love, righteousness etc.God's not a man like you. He cannot reverse his decrees. They are like a chemical change and that's why he put you on earth first before you meet him in heaven so as you learn to accept the laws of earth you will also learn to cooperate with heavenly laws and then join him in heaven. The irreversible decree here is in Ps 115:16 so it's only men that can bring God to this earthly scene and that's why the Lord Jesus asked us to pray his kingdom come and his will be done. It depends on men that Gods will be done in their personal lives and in the earth as a whole. Balls in your court bro. And if any man fails to do his part, someone else will do it Gods preordained purposes are unchangeable but the men that he uses change. Like the case of Saul and David
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UyaiIncomparabl:
So, if Mother Anna hadn't fasted and prayed, Daddy Jesus wouldn't have been born?

The way it works is if she hadn't she'd have missed her chance and reward that comes with it but someone else would definitely have done it if it was bound to happen

tintingz:
If there's a God that knows everything and predestined everything, prayer is a waste of time.

If you have been predestined to be poor, praying to be rich is waste of time except you want God to change his mind.

If God is to change his mind then being poor is not your destiny or God didn't probably know your future.

God can never make a move on earth without a mans cooperation in one way or another be it prayer,obedience, love, righteousness etc.God's not a man like you. He cannot reverse his decrees. They are like a chemical change and that's why he put you on earth first before you meet him in heaven so as you learn to accept the laws of earth you will also learn to cooperate with heavenly laws and then join him in heaven. The irreversible decree here is in Ps 115:16 so it's only men that can bring God to this earthly scene and that's why the Lord Jesus asked us to pray his kingdom come and his will be done. It depends on men that Gods will be done in their personal lives and in the earth as a whole. Balls in your court bro.
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ednut1:
To me prayer is a waste of time God's will won't change. If you pray before embarking on a journey it doesn't guarantee accident free journey. So why pray Where as u may not pray and get to your destination

God can never make a move on earth without a mans cooperation in one way or another be it prayer,obedience, love, righteousness etc.God's not a man like you. He cannot reverse his decrees. They are like a chemical change and that's why he put you on earth first before you meet him in heaven so as you learn to accept the laws of earth you will also learn to cooperate with heavenly laws and then join him in heaven. The irreversible decree here is in Ps 115:16 so it's only men that can bring God to this earthly scene and that's why the Lord Jesus asked us to pray his kingdom come and his will be done. It depends on men that Gods will be done in their personal lives and in the earth as a whole. Balls in your court bro.

GoTV:
Even though I'm a born again Christian, i think prayer is a scam because if God is the alpha and omega as proclaimed why can't he delete all our life problems and worries like kapersky antivirus does to viruses? Why must me pray like fools every day? I feel like hating God sometimes

God's not a man like you. He cannot reverse his decrees. They are like a chemical change and that's why he put you on earth first before you meet him in heaven so as you learn to accept the laws of earth you will also learn to cooperate with heavenly laws and then join him in heaven. The irreversible decree here is in Ps 115:16 so it's only men that can bring God to this earthly scene and that's why the Lord Jesus asked us to pray his kingdom come and his will be done. It depends on men that Gods will be done in their personal lives and in the earth as a whole. Balls in your court bro.

alBHAGDADI:
I find it funny how people who aren't even saved are now positioning themselves as Bible teachers. They think the Bible is some novel anybody can pick up, read and understand. They don't know that it is a spiritual book meant for those with the spirit of God in them. See what Jesus said about the Bible:

John 6:63 (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

You can't understand them unless you are born of water and of spirit which means you are born again. Till then, you are just a natural man who will always misuse the word of God or find it foolish.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It's just like a Yoruba man complaining that he doesn't understand Chinese language. But a baby born to Chinese parents will understand it easily. Once you have the Holy Spirit, you will understand God's word which is Spirit and life.

Why did I go into the above details? The man in the OP believes he understands the Bible verses he quoted which speak of the law. The natural man he is sees the verses as saying the law has been done away it and has been thrown in the trash can, never to be followed or obeyed again. That's how a natural man reads the Bible.

Before I show you how a man with the Spirit of God reads the Bible, let's first of all expose the foolishness in the natural man's understanding of the verses he quoted.

According to him, the law has been thrown in the trash can because Jesus came, died and resurrected. If the law has been thrown in the garbage, kindly tell him to break the laws in Leviticus 18, which are mostly against having sex with one's close kin e.g mother, sister, father, brother, aunt etc.

Romans 4:15 (KJV)
for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Since he says the law is no more, isn't that also saying that it is not a sin to do those things? Let him go ahead and do them.

He quoted the below passage.

Galatians 3 vs 10 - 13
10 For all who rely on the works of the laware under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e]11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[f] 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[g] 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”

Clearly, he doesn't know what the passage is saying at all. To him, the passage means if we obey the laws, we would be cursed.

One thing I would want you all to know is that the passage is talking about those relying on the works of the law as a means of eternal salvation. Paul is clearly saying that if you are depending on your ability to obey the law as a means of making heaven, then you are cursed. You are cursed because you can never continue in the entire laws without breaking one. You can't at all. See what Paul said:

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

As seen above, Paul revealed that even if you keep the whole law and failed at just one, you will become guilty of even the ones you succeeded at. That is the curse of the law Paul was talking about. That's why he made it clear that depending on the law as a means to salvation is like cursing yourself to eternal damnation.

So what's the way to avoid depending on the law? The way is Jesus Christ who is the Way the Truth and the Life. You have to have faith in him to be saved. That way, there won't be any need to depend on the works of the law. As seen below, Paul said we are saved by Grace through faith, not by our ability to do the works of the law.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.


So far so good, we have seen that we Christians are to obey the laws of God unless in cases where they've been specifically changed in the New Testament e.g dietary laws washing, worship, animal sacrifice etc. The anti-tithing can't show where the law on tithing has been specifically changed in the New Testament.

We obey the laws to live right on Earth. The laws have made us realise that it is sinful to sleep with one's next of kin, have tattoos, be homosexual etc.

But when it comes to salvation, we don't depend on the law because Jesus has come to save us from the curse of the law which hits us when we fail one despite passing the rest.

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Bro. I want 2 biliv u're a true brother. Pls its dangerous and unscriptural 2 biliv in the once saved always saved doctrine. There is indeed eternal security for the soul but that is what we call salvation of the soul, the END, not beginning of ur faith (1 Pet 1:5-10, esp 9) which is what we must work out( Php 2:13). We must attain to this security by working out well (utilizing the grace or ability of God inside of us) like Paul even after maturing in God (Php 3:11-14) pressed for (Heb 10:38-39).