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Bodydialect57:
Sent two others

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Bodydialect57:
Hello. CYM pls.

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LawBreaker:
Thanks my dear, I will key into your words

Please note in reality that as you begin to practice these tips, questions and discouragement are sure to come up at certain points. So please don't throw in the towel without taking advantage of all the help you can get. I would be willing to help further in my little way.

LawBreaker:
I have so much urge to have Bleep with two different girls I have broken up with. I can't control it. I have tried controlling but I can't. I deleted their numbers from my phone. But I can't control it. It is making my heart very heavy. Yesternight I couldn't control myself and I drove to their house but she wasn't around.

Guys, help me. How can I completely take this off my mind. I have prayed, fasted and there is nothing I have not done. The thing is that once I tell these girls that I want to Bleep, they don't hesitate. I am tired of that kind of life. I don't want to engage in premarital Bleep anymore. I need help before this completely destroys my life and I have done so many abortions. I am contemplating suicide

If you're a true believer who knows the Lord but have somehow fallen victim to the lust menace, here are some helpful tips on dealing with it to the very root from some excerpts of my posts on similar threads. Lust is a fire that must be quenched and every sexual act is fuel.

You will never win by struggling (you'll only fall deeper if you wield the arm of flesh because flesh begets [strengthens] flesh) but you will surely win if the Life of Christ gets manifested in you. To have His life manifested in you, begin by mechanically I.e. in your current strength/ability, denying your fleshly lusts (both towards women, by ceasing to look at obscenity and also all other known fleshy tendencies. In your case, you need to keep trying to stay away from those ladies). Of course, in the case of lust towards women, your attempts will be met with many failures(as it has already built a stronghold in your life over time) before His life is manifested in you but don't let that deter you. You are in a process of activating His life, in which is your victory, ONLY if you persevere in spite of a billion failed attempts. When your attempts have reached the mark, you will see a miraculous event occur. It is the Christ in you manifesting His life, at that point you will not experience a struggle again with it, but will see His Spirit literally carrying you by His own ability, hence complete victory over that lust. I await your testimony.

Let me further expatiate. You may wonder how you could possibly be told to stop feeding your lust by looking at obscenities and fornicating, when you just said you're struggling with it. The point is you just begin to make attempts/practise, try and keep trying, though you may fail again and again and have had many past failures. But don't get distracted by your failures (God is not condemning you but cheering you on, as unbelievable as it may sound, Rom8:34), just keep practising denying the flesh. Slowly but surely, you'll soon start having little successes here and there. That's not your endpoint, however. Your endpoint is to release the power of Christ in your spirit, which will completely terminate the habit as well as other manifestations of flesh you're not focusing on yet, and that in just an instant of time. So keep practising saying no to gratification, even though you fail many times alongside(you're not trying to prove yourself to God, we're all messed up in ourselves and He knows that and is not surprised you're struggling with sin. This is just about activating the resident power of Christ He put in you, Eph1:19-20, Eph3:20). When you reach a point (tipping point) in your self-denial quantity of attempts, the power of Christ will be released from your spirit, then that will be the permanent end of that struggle and also the beginning of a new life in the Spirit with God-given vision for your life.
To make this even faster, don't get so focused on only this lust, but look at every lust and attitude in your life that God does not want and practise saying no to them, so that your self-denial attempts will reach tipping point even faster. But don't get too impatient, expecting the miracle in a sec. It has taken years to build this habit and will take some time to get to the tipping point.
Note: I've had 100% testimonies helping people with this formula. It never fails because it is the true word of God. (Titus2: 11-12)

On dealing with all unrighteousness in our lives

Good question. Simple. The only economy God has provided to deal with all human character/ nature problems is that of GRACE. It was grace that brought us into our damnation-free status and access to the nature of God at conversion. We recieved this status by grace alone and will be perfected by grace. The thing is while we received grace without any input of ours at conversion, to enjoy the other privileges of grace all the way to the ultimate, we would need to learn how to walk in, have constantly (Heb 12:28)and grow in grace(2Pet 3:18). Grace is maintained and increased by prayer(Heb 4:16), fasting(2Cor11:27, Acts9:9), revelation knowledge(2Pet 1:2-3) and acts of pure/true love(Gal6:9, Heb 6:9-12). All these are like seeds of grace that with CONSISTENCY produce fruit (multiplier effect) of grace. Without these, a believer will be stuck on the first level of grace he received, and will eventually be frustrated by the flesh making him live in continuous struggles in his spiritual life ranging from habitual sins to demonic/witchcraft oppression, to lovelessness for God and love for the world e.t.c. While these may not lead him to loss of heaven (only the sin of apostasy can), they may lead to spiritual failure and worse still may lead to the sin of apostasy. So, its up to him to sow as many seeds of grace as will reap sufficient increase to overcome the opposition to his spiritual liberty. A popular mistake people make is to consider these seeds of grace to be human works that cannot get us anything from God but they are not because we do not present them as a bailout but as an investment which when reached their full measure will draw out more grace from the grace-bank of God. (Gal 6:7-9)
N.B. These seeds of grace themselves will not grant you victory over the flesh but if perseveringly kept at, of course not with machine perfection, they will eventually release greater yield of GRACE which then gives effortless, struggle-free victory over the flesh. There is how you come into holiness

Your questions are welcome. I can still simplify whatever you don't understand.

Wakeupchristian:
Thanks for your comments.
I am well aware of the fact, that he who misleads others in the course of his teaching carries great responsibity, and can never be liberated until the Souls he misled come to recognition of the truth. I will not be relieved of personal responsibility, if I post what you think is right. Wakeupchristian is not on this site to blend with the misconceptions that have run through Christianity for ages, but to correct, and help awaken those Christians who still carry a spark of Light within them. In strength of this, I would say concerning your advice, that there is nothing to correct on this thread.

Every word of the scriptures is true, provided we allow the Spirit of truth to guide us into the right understanding. Now to the scriptures you mentioned. 1Peter 1:12-19, does not in any way talk about suffering. Rather a portion of it admonishes men to be holy. Holiness is not suffering. Hebrews 12:1-13, does not talk about suffering either. It talks about resisting and striving against sin (verse4). The remaining part of this scripture deals with the chastening and discipline from the Lord. Make no mistake about this. This chastening has nothing to do with Christ suffering. It is an existing judgment which sets in as a result of disobedience. Paul said this chastening, or discipline is allowed on us to correct us, so that we don't get finally condemned with the world

Romans 8:17, talks about suffering with Christ. The question now is, how do you share in Christ suffering? This is where many Christians get it wrong. You sure cannot carry the Cross to Golgotha to be nailed ad Christ did. Sharing in Christ suffering is not the same as going through the repercussions of your wrong choices. When you go through the repercussions of your wrong choices, you are going through chastening from the Lord, not Christ suffering. You share in Christ suffering when you appreciate the Holy Word He brought to you with so great a sacrifice. Sharing in Christ suffering means striving to live by the message He suffered to bring to mankind, irrespective of what it will cost you.

If for example you lost your job because you refused to compromise by telling a lie, that is part of sharing in Christ suffering. That is also a way of taking up your Cross to follow Christ. You can be sure another way will open for you. On this note I would sincerely encourage you to carefully harness the scriptures and get a skillful understanding of it.

‌You actually don't have to correct anything if you don't believe the correction. If God has called you to do what you're doing, He's the only One you answer to. I am not going to try to convince you out of your convictions either. Time and the coming Reformation/Revolution will teach us the fact.
First, I wonder who in this world has ever taught that we should carry literal crosses and be literally crucified. Suffering with Christ includes persecution(including your example and more), trials/afflictions by Satan under God's government not for mistakes or powerlessness(as in witchcraft/demonic attacks) but simply to share in Christ's glory(Php3:10-11).
But you seem to have misquoted the scripture I gave you. 1Pet 4:1 and v12-19 is what I gave you.
Also, Heb12 should not be loosely taken out of its context. We become unskilful in the scriptures when we take them out of their context.
The whole book was written for the simple purpose of encouraging believers to endure persecution from their Hebrew neighbors. The persecution involved killings, jailings and all sorts of marginalisations. This suffering, peculiar to them was part of their discipline/chastening as sons/beloved Paul mentioned, which is why he pointed them to the Lord who had endured such and overcame.(Heb12:3,5, Heb5:8 ). This, which is the strife against sin implies putting up with the unjust evil of sinners. It is not for any mistakes or sins of theirs.
‌While we may not all have to be jailed or killed for Christ, you can be rest assured that those who will walk closely and righteously with God will endure sufferings(2Tim3:12), peculiarly meted to each, which no matter what they may be are only a light thing in comparison to the glory they will reveal in us. Suffering is, in fact, part of the mark of true sons(Heb5:8, Gal6:14,17) and the only suffering in the life of a believer that may not pay is that as a result of sins and mistakes.

‌When you talk about misconceptions, what I see is that ministers today seek approval of their ministries in glamour and celebrity statuses(this explains the lack of/very minute real supernatural power and glory like the apostles) but while the Lord has no difficulty giving us the good things of this life(Solomon), it is well established in scripture that ministers only approved of their ministries according to their sufferings for God. Paul advised Timothy to prove his ministry in afflictions endured(2Tim4:5, 2Tim2:3, 1Tim6:10-11). He further said if we suffer with Christ, we will reign with him but if we deny him, we will be denied this reigning.(2Tim2:12).
‌Paul himself always approved his ministry in his sufferings (2Cor6:4-6, 2Cor4:7-18, 2Cor11:23-28 ). Such sufferings do not have to do with one's sins and mistakes but actually because one is loved and brought into fellowship with his Master, similar to Joseph.
This in fact is the distinction Peter made in (1Pet4:13-16) if you had understood it. Paul definitely didn't suffer all for his sins but for Christ's name.(Acts9:16). He in fact suffered more for the greatness of impact His revelations would bring to mankind and gloried in it(2Cor12:7-10). Job also suffered because He was blameless in the law. The greater the impact of your ministry on Satan's territory, the more you'll suffer for Christ, Christ Himself being the chief Sufferer.
‌Please understand that suffering does not earn us a place in heaven, only faith does but suffering is the only path to sharing in Christ's abiding/resting/dwelling glory(1Pet4:14, Rom8:17-18,35-37) and for any who do not want to go that narrow path, as long as they keep their faith, they have a sure ticket to heaven but let them never expect to have the abiding glory of the Lord in this life or any rewards in heaven. The Lord, the perfect Gentleman, will only go as far with us as we are subjected to Him.

‌As I said before I'm not trying to convince you, this is more for the benefit of readers and I think you're set in what you already believe as I also am, so you don't even have to reply. We can just shake hands here and encourage each other forward in the work of God. God bless you.

Wakeupchristian:
As each day has two seasons, the daytime and the night, so also life offers man two seasons, the season of happiness and that of trials. In times of trials, many people console themselves by applying the words of Jesus wrongly — " Christ said we should carry our cross and follow him". They make this statement with the understanding, that the Cross Jesus talked about was the cross of suffering. In other words, as though Jesus intended those who follow him to suffer always. This is far from being the truth.

The Word says, Jesus came that we may have life, and have it abundantly (John 10:10). Abundant life on earth is a life of peace, good health, prosperity, etc. It is a life of happiness, not suffering. Abundant life beyond this realm, is an eternal life. Again the plans of the Almighty for man are plans of good, not evil ( Jeremiah 29:11). Therefore the Cross Jesus referred to, when he made the statement, "If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me" (Luke 9:23), cannot be the cross of suffering as many do believe. It is not the cross of Golgotha which denotes Christ suffering. Notice in the foregoing scripture, that Jesus said this Cross should be carried daily. If this Cross should be that of suffering, the Lord who is Love, would not want men to carry it daily.

What is the Cross? The Cross is an earthly symbol of the truth contained in the message of Christ. To take up the Cross therefore means, to absorb the message of Christ and to endeavor daily to do what it says, no matter how difficult it may seem. So the Cross Jesus referred to is not the cross of suffering. It is the Cross of redemption. It is when we take in knowledge of the truth, and live by it daily, that we can earn eternal life.

The number one truth you need to take up daily is the fact, that when you strive to live according to the message of Christ, you consistently carry the Light within and around you. The Light denotes the presence of the Almighty. In the presence of the Almighty uncommon things happen. Darkness melts in His presence. Your protection is secured and your needs are met. The Psalmist said he who dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty (Psalm 91:1). You have to understand that the secret place of the Most High is the place of obedience to God's will. The shadow of the Almighty in the above scripture, is the overwhelming presence of God that brings uncommon blessings. So when you swing daily in line with the will of God, everything naturally and gradually falls into place.

Another truth to be absorbed and used daily is the fact that every action we take against the will of God has a repercussion which is meant for correction and redemption. The burden of trials we are permitted to carry are the repercussions of our disobedience. They are the echoes if our willful wrong actions after gaining knowledge of the truth. That means, they set in as a result of our refusal to take up the truth daily and live by it.

A final Word! When you are always surrounded with trials or unpleasant situations, know of a truth, that something is out of place. God is still in the business of blessing his people. Don't get stirred and comfortable in the understanding that you are carrying the cross of Christ. Look into your life to see if you are still in the business of obeying God. That is, if you are still living by the message of Christ. If you realize you have made mistakes, repent and amend your ways, and watch everything fall back into place gradually. There is no short cut to this. That is the purpose of your trials. ( Refer to my post on Falsified Teachings of Christ- Judgment).

You cannot ascend to Luminous Heights if you are not willing to take up your Cross daily and follow Christ. Jesus said, " I am the resurrection and the life! No man comes to the Father but by me" (John 11:25). But by me means, by my word, or by my message. You cannot enjoy eternal bliss without living according to the message of Christ. Your time to act is now. Every hour of your earth life is now more important than ever!

What is meant in all the following scriptures?
‌James5:10-11, 1Pet4:1,12-19, Rom8:17-18, 35-37, Col1:24, Heb12:1-13. Please read with an open heart and display the meekness of Christ by correcting this thread. You should rather say that suffering is our God-given cross except under demonic economy but if under God's government, it must end in glory and greater empowerment of the Spirit. I assure you there are heights you can never get to in His glory and power until you share in His sufferings.

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Slim690:
Is it not funny how the word imperfection was never stated in those verses you gave. Meanwhile perfect is everywhere in the Bible.
Well, I was once like you do I understand your plight. Well ever since I read and understood the truth about perfection, my life has been wonderful and perfect. Everything I do is always perfect. Emmm btw the Bible recorded Abraham,Noah and Job as perfect too. Else you've got your own Bible ... My dear, I'll advise you to believe in yourself as perfect(as God wants you to) else you'll keep making mistakes in life and then cover it with"no one is perfect" lol

Do you ever sin now and if not can you please teach us how you arrived at your sinless state. I'm also intrigued that you put your name up there alongside Abraham, Noah and Job, not because your name is there but because you put it there yourself.

ichuka:
The concept of Sin and sins ie forgiveness of sins and deliver from Sin .

Maybe if you share what you have it'll be easier to contribute.

WinningEleven:
I have sent a reply mail sir

Ok. Check.

Bodydialect57:
Still waiting...

Ok. Check.

Because we are bred in carnality. We don't believe God really means what He says, we don't follow His prescriptions and hence don't get true faith results. The worst part is we are okay to be stuck in the repetitive cycle even if it doesn't work. We also tend to believe what a man on a pulpit says more than what God says. The average prayer of a churched believer today is described by God through Isiah"
Isaiah 29:13
[13]Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
But the Lord will come as a loving Husband and cleanse His church. Amen!

Bodydialect57:
Please check your mail.

Ok, Body, I will look at it and get back to you.

WinningEleven:
Yes I think I have experienced certain dimensions of this filling phenomenon before.
How do I get this please?

If you can relate to this, then it means you've already been filled else we would have asked God to fill you. But since you've been filled before, you only need to learn the principle of keeping filled. PM me and we'll talk.

To answer yiur question, l would need to first know whatever you already understand about each concept and why you are asking this question.

WinningEleven:
I don't know sir
How does it feel to be filled?

Your initial infilling will have given you the experience of being immersed in the consciousness of the presence and influence of the Holy Spirit in your life. A new awareness of Him being with you always, a higher level of fellowship than when you first made Jesus your Lord. It may have also developed into gifts of the Spirit and/or inundation in the living Word of God and scriptures emitting life. You should know if you've ever been filled. Do you?

[quote author=FOLYKAZE post=86735452][/quote]I like that you didn't challenge logic when it worshipped God and betrayed you in math(as it will do in all fields of knowledge) but simply ignored it. Says a lot.
When you are able to use your logic to make the number infinity conform to finite math principles, It will justify your search for a logical basis for our infinite faith. Till then, you're only hypocritical to ask any believer to explain faith to fit logic and so you now see why I won't tow that line with you and will probably cease to reply you henceforth.

This is apt and precise. As a matter of fact, the curious OP only want to know the basis of christian faith. And like you said, the believers are not in about evidence, not because there is a reliable and dependable evidences, but because faith requires no logical or empirical evidences. In your own thinking, believers should accept every dogma without questioning or seeking validation. I wish MuttleyLaff, Maximus69 and emilo2stay can agree with you.

Take note that I never claimed to not care for evidence. In fact, I care much about evidence, spiritual and physical, aware of spiritual being the greater. But a billion physical evidences, useful as they may be, are totally unnecessary to validate my faith but could only add to my mental knowledge, which has its use and if all physical evidence is thoroughly and truthfully investigated, it will most definitely agree to and confirm the belief furnished by faith.
Faith, however, is a spiritual(not psychological) REALITY and not subjective, hence needing no physical or logical support. Can I shock you? I don't need the scriptures nor any human agent to have faith. The best these could do is to explain and define with extra details the composition of my faith to me(after I already have this faith) as those who had this same faith before me.
No! my faith is not based on scripture but on its own self, just as a tree we see is not existing based on scientific research done on it but the scientific research may only explain the composition of the tree. It is its own proof of existence. A man with a reality and experience will never be at the mercy of a man with an argument. I just need faith itself, which is a gift of God Himself, to manifest in my heart and I would know without a doubt that my sins are forgiven. It is its own evidence, as well superior to all natural evidence. If only you had it, you would attest to its reality, though not physical, yet undeniably real and always causing real effects in the physical but alas!
As for our spiritual dogma, we establish them on faith's principles, not human reasoning, which is of a different dimension.
To further expatiate, let me clarify. You like most others errorneosly think that faith is simply believing in a belief system, usually concerning the spiritual. That would be true for every religion in the world.
But the gospel of Christ is not about mere believing some spiritual propositions. It is about faith of a different genre. A spiritual reality that must be tangibly related with by the recipient yet spiritually rather than physically. Whoever believes the whole scripture but has not this faith(e.g. Jews and children brought up in church) is still in their sins and condemnation but whoever has this faith even if never having a bible or knowing what's in it(like some in the world today or even Abraham and some patriarchs) is justified before God.
Faith is its own evidence. Scripture helps us with facts ready at hand that we may have needed to research all over again to explain the composition of our faith but faith is its own basis.

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2. The general consensus of most scholars is that the synoptic gospel were copied from Gospel of Mark...
3. The book of John was not written by Apostle John....John 21:24 didn't give identity of the said disciple...
4. The gospel of Luke, like you said is written by Luke the evangelist. Luke 1:1-2 mentions that Luke knows of other written sources of Jesus' life, and that he has investigated in order to gather the most information. The author indicated that he from witness accounts...
5. Gospel of Matthew could not have been written by....
The gospel is largely subjective works of people who ain't direct witness. It is evident that the gospels are largely copies of copies of oral traditions and full of propaganda

If you wish to believe so then. Like I said, as far as regards faith and the gospel, a man with a reality and experience will never be at the mercy of a man with an argument. And as regards the scriptures above, I'm not going into a needless argument on them. You've put out your 'findings' and I've put out my facts. Its left for every reader to investigate both and take their position.
To clarify Luke1:1-3 for the genuine inquirers. Luke 1:1-3 must be taken in two parts. v1-2 separate from v3. In v1-2, Luke is saying many had written narratives as had been taught to the whole church by the eyewitnesses from the start, so some important material may have been lost in transit(these second hand narratives were not included in the bible) . In v3, however, he is saying, he has a more privileged position than such to give a narrative because he had firsthand, exact(in the greek) and circumspect knowledge of the matter from the very beginning as other eyewitnesses(which he proved in his being the most detailed) , hence felt the need to write to recover some relevant missing pieces.

The doubt is in 1 Cor 15:3,14,17. Can you deal with those verses please? And by doing that, please keep your emotion asides.

No. I will not condescend to that. If you are a graduate, you definitely know how to read compositions and not isolating sentences from paragraphs to lie to yourself. Every reader just needs to read the whole each text you mentioned in 1Cor15, IN THEIR CONTEXT, to see your blatant, desperate lies. Thank God Paul never even put chapters or verses.

Keep the emotion aside, and take a deep breathe. Most importantly, save the sermon for your sheeple who accept fantasy without seeking for logical and empirical evidence. Thanks.

The healthy dont need a doctor but the sick. Remeber, as I said before, I'm for evidence. And your own empirical evidence(life experience) must have proven to you that you will still sin against your conscience, reasoning and God's laws except of course you no longer value your own empirical evidence. So the scripture is proven right, that you need God the Saviour.

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FOLYKAZE:
The christian faith is centred on gospel of Jesus and .....

.....Cc ...MuttleyLaff

sonmvayina:
You don't want him to destroy your illusion... I get it..

I'm here not mainly for the sake of OP but for the sake of my brothers who he seeks to distort our scriptures to, in order to maintain scriptures in their place.

But first, let me say, its always comical when free thinkers think to put God, the Creator, in a box. Is it not all too obvious from existence in the universe that it is only the created that find themselves in the Creator's box? (the universe) and until any of us can step out of this box(created universe), we have to simply put up with being mere pawns of His for either good or evil.
Now a man thinks he's found a basis for truth, he calls it logic(and its only limited and subjective) and attempts to subject the Creator to it. I laugh at his folly. Have you not by this assumption, sinned against even your limited logic, how much more against God's. Yes, your logic has betrayed you and has worshipped God, yet you ignore it willfuly or maybe are willfully ignorant of it.
What exactly am I saying? Let us narrow our limited logic to the field of maths today. Has logic not conceived the existence of finite numbers and rules of all basic operations done on them(+×-÷...)? Yet logic went further to conceive the existence of the number infinity which has shown all rules of mathematical operations, though fully obseved in finite number dimension are simply broken in the dimension of infinity. So logic tried to teach man then to never reduce God and His realm of eternity, represented by the number infinity to the same basic rules used in the realm of time, represented by the finite number dimension. Logic worshipped God but the foolish among men choose not to, ignoring their logic in this.
Logic also showed man that he can never approach this eternal realm(infinity) by anything and any operation(+×÷-,...) conceived in the time realm(finite numbers). So now, O intelligent thinkers, are you not fools if you think by any means you conceive in time's dimension(logic or whatever), you will arrive at a translation into or suitable explanation of God's realm. We believers are the 'simpletons' who without the help of logic have been translated into infinity to relate with God freely by faith first, before anything else. This faith, of course, is not an operation you can conceive of over on this finite side, else it would be unable to achieve such a holy feat. So, God, Jesus Christ, had to come from His dimension to grant His faith to all of us and didn't bother to satisfy our logic first. And though he left us eyewitnesses, he blessed with the emphasis, they who had no physical evidence of Him.(Jn20:29, 1Pet1:7-8 ).
So I tell you plainly without shame, I believe in Jesus Christ my Lord, not because of any physical or logical evidence but only because of a reality I have tangibly experienced from the realm of infinity, FAITH(as MuttleyLaff already mentioned), which is also superior and the controller of all time realities(Heb11:3) and not one iota of logical or physical evidence can add a jot to my faith(as regards convincing me of Jesus Christ dying for my sin)any more than a finite number can add to infinity. Like Paul also who was no eyewitness but by simple faith, through a spiritual encounter, surrendered to the Lord. We also cannot help you even if we were able to prove perfectly logically the validity of all scriptures as you will still, armed with logic but without faith, be unable to reach out to God, so don't expect us to tow the line of your logic. We are of faith(a spiritual reality not to be mistaken for mere mental conviction though eventually leading to it)
Now inquirer, are we not justified, even by logic, to not depend on logic but simple faith to relate with God? Until you can with logic make infinity conform to basic math operations, let us who are wiser in our foolishness be and never expect us to define our infinite faith within your finite logic because faith is the unseen tangibility (as infinity) (Heb11:1) and those who have it know from their heart of hearts they do, unable to explain nor deny the unseen tangibility they experienced. This is also why the scriptures were written to instruct those who ALREADY believed and never to convince anyone who didn't(2Pet1:1, Rom3:19,1Cor10:6)
Secondly, you think to discredit all scripture for LACK of historical sources. Have you first considered that even logically this would do nothing against their validity. How, you say? Let logic, a worshipper of God teach you again. Have you not learnt that your lack of sources to validate scriptures does not in anyway at all disprove their validity. It simply means YOU cannot prove it. You at best can simply conclude that it is highly PROBABLE fiction, yet to be proven. Yet, logic has taught us in Math that probability has no effect on reality. An event that is 99.9999% improbable or 0.0001% probable can still occur, even repeatedly, leaving you only to readjust your probability parameters and an event that is 99% probable may never occur. So also with scriptures, your only way of disproving them will be to prove they didn't happen based on your eyewitness account or some valid evidence that can outrightly disprove their occurrence, not by mere lack of sources.
To my brothers here, this of course, makes all archaeological evidence unnecessary to validate faith. Yet knowing that the scriptures were written for our instruction and that the OP has lied greatly against scriptures, altering their parameters, I will address these lies so we can form a proper perspective of the things we ALREADY believe solely by faith.
As regards the gospels, please dismiss OPs nonsense. Every gospel was as good as an eyewitness account, the first of them being Mark's, written about 20 odd years(around 54A.D.) after the Lord's resurrection. Mark was Peter's disciple and wrote based on Peter's narrative of the gospel. John's was the last of them written around 90AD, also clearly identifying himself as author(Jn21:24). Luke also was a disciple of the Lord(among the 70) and later became an accomplice of Paul and very well indicated his firsthand knowledge of the events (Lk1:3) as opposed to just hearsay from eyewitnesses by many other authors(not in the bible) who also wrote narrations(Lk1:1-2). Matthew was the disciple of the Lord, the ex-tax collector.

As for the nonsense about Pauls doubting in 1Cor15, I wouldn't even bother. Simple primary school level reading of the chapter, will make all see how desperate OP was to find something.

As for OP. Since you're at a loss to what you should really worry about and seem to be doting around aimlessly kicking against pricks. Let me remind you what and who you should really be bothered about. Regardless of what you might or might not achieve on this thread. One fact remains, you would not achieve a freedom from the law of sin and death in your life which is the reason why you will still sin against God's laws and even your own reasoning and conscience. As real as this problem is, so real is the eternal consequence of it. If you cannot be rid of it here and all this while you've lived armed with all logic, its because you can never be rid of it for all eternity except you receive this unseen tangibility which Jesus Christ offers you freely. My utmost desire and more importantly, Gods loving desire for your soul is that you will be granted this faith. Resist Him no further. Amen.
Again know that reality is not subject to your logic but to higher powers. So even though your logic cannot conceive how faith, illogical as it seems continues to spread and grow all over the world, it will yet spread all over the world unceasingly and grow in its influence in the world at an increasing pace, culminating in the coming of our King to reign on earth because the increase of it has no end.(Is9:7).

elated177:
I never said this was a dream. My statement was: "Let's say someone saw himself/herself doing this in the dream." I spoke hypothetically. This was/is real life event. Not dream, vision or trance. I never really specified who was involved. I don't know what you tried to communicate here.

Ok. That sounded like you were clarifying to that brother that it was a dream. So now before I say anything further, come clearly. You say this was a real life experience? So who exactly had this experience, was it you? Also, what led to this experience? Was there a cause or someone just suddenly decided to try this stunt?

Nelochukwu:
My brother. Its refreshing to know they r some that still stand for God. Yes, the guy is lost and I won't respond to him anymore. You right we should pray though remember that God won't use the wisdom of this world to preach His gospel. Science and everything is very Good because it even shows the existence of God and further validates the power God has placed in man but note that the world system has been given to the prince of this world remember he told this to Yeshua. He rules and the Kindgom of God is IN us not in the world. We r not of this world. A big mistake is building our faith on the wisdom of this world, it makes weak the gospel. For example somebody is so good at their profession we say he has d spirit of excellence. Next thing this person is with a microphone preaching what he doesnt know because people assume his rich, hardworking and a performer hence he must be a child of God whereas this guy knows nothing of Yeshua. This my friend is an error.

This is sadly the truth sir. Our success today is not in the spirit of Daniel and His three friends, Joseph, Job etc. It is only carnal. We accept any success believers have, even if it is through our human wisdom and strength which neither glorifies God, nor witnesses of Him to the world. We must only glory if we solve societal issues solely by the wisdom of the God without a trace of human wisdom.

There cannot be two kings in one realm. Right now the devil has the preeminence hence the need for the destruction of the world so the new earth with Yahweh as King will be revealed.

Yes. Satan still has this because we have failed to be Christ's body revealing His dominion won in His resurrection. But God will express it through His sanctified ones who have detached themselves from the love of the world and the flesh, as His final witness to the world that lies in the valley of decision. Only after this last epic demonstration of God's dominion will the AntiChrist be given permission to rule the earth and try all men before the final destruction of his evil kingdom.

This world will never really accept fully the wisdom of God which is Yeshua because of it's own wisdom which has led it further away from Yahweh. As man discovers and grows in its wisdom he finds that he doesnt really need God . True service to Yeshua is apart from the wisdom of this world. The wisdom of this world is performance driven. Results oriented. The wisdom of God is the same pretty much only spiritual. While one is carnal results and carnal performance indicator measurement the wisdom of Yeshua is spiritual because the carnal mind is enmity with God and it's not subject to the law of Yeshua. Roman 8

This is very true. Yet God for His unrelenting love and for Justice, that He might be a just judge will show them the superiority of His spiritual kingdom over the earthly so all will make an informed choice for God or not, and hence fully deserve the consequences of their choices.

Truthfully we will pray that our light shines so that men can see the brightness and come to the Father but that light is defined by the wisdom of Yeshua found in the NT scriptures. We dont define what light is but the scripture does. Men have shone light and other men followed claiming its light from God but at the end we see the outcome and conclude that the light shone is evil because even Yeshua said if the light that is you is darkness, how great is the darkness Mattew 6.
Yeshua came to save us from the oncoming doom that will be the unleashed in this last days. Only true beleivers not religous folks but actual God seekers and worshippers. Folks who hate their lives even unto death will be saved. We r not to love this world nor the things that r in the world.
We must only be loyal to the word of Yeshua as found in scriptures not the words of men.

So true. Only such believers will qualify as vessels of honour used by Him in these last days.(2Tim2:21)

Peace my brother.

Thank you sir. What a refreshing addition you made here. God bless you.

Bodydialect57:
When Pharaoh shall speak unto you, saying, Shew a miracle for you: then thou shalt say unto Aaron, Take thy rod, and cast it before Pharaoh, and it shall become a serpent.
10 And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the LORD had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.
11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
12 For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.
Exodus 7:9-12
This is the plain truth! As believers, we must demonstrate the superiority of our God in every sphere of human existence. It's high time we prayed down His kingdom on earth.

Yes sister! We must not confine God to a pulpit, and expect the world to come and meet him there, as if he has no relevance to society. No, we must carry God in our temple and go into the world and show them His Kingdom in us(Mt5:16). When we bring His kingdom to men, they will learn righteousness(Is 26:9). We must go into Egypt like Joseph and make the Pharoahs bow before the Almighty not for human wisdom but to superior Divine wisdom beyond the grasp of man(Gen41:8, 38-44). We must enter into Babylon like Daniel and dethrone and enthrone governments by spiritual wisdom(Dan10:2,3,13), not mere electioneering of human wisdom. We must like his three hebrew friends, make Nebuchadnezzars bow before the Almighty.(Dan3:14-29).
Cc: Nelochukwu

This is my experience too. Atheism is just the kind of stupidity that gets by with calling everything else stupidity. I've never once met an atheist that challenged my theistic cum scientific propositions which always fit seamlessly. They always see their own folly and shamefully walk away, headstrong of course, and even start avoiding me. Most of these uneducated atheists don't even know the religion of the fathers of science, how that they knew what they knew because they knew God and related spiritual knowledge to the natutal universe since God is creator of both realms. If not for christianity, we'd still be in the dark ages by now. True understanding of spiritual things automatically translates to understanding the natural universe and its laws, its the same Creator of both realms, this is actually what is called Wisdom in scripture.
However, I blame today's godless, money-minded christianity and its lack of spirituality for our decreasing impact on the scientific field today. Our Christian fathers of science were more spiritual than we are, hence more connected with their physical environment and hence influenced science greatly.

Nelochukwu:
I gave you scriptures that cant be denied. Or you know better than the apostles abi? You r here claiming dominion like it's you God spoke to. God spoke to Adam are you Adam? And if you r then you must have a lion as a pet and hold a viper like your belt . Things have changed since that scripture bro. That the problem I have. Beleivers claim whatever they like and leave whatever the want. You claiming a command to a man at the time of creation forgetting that same command told him to only eat herbs and also the animals should eat only herbs/grass not themselves Genesis 1:28-30 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so"

That you dont know the good news is the redemption of the saints from sins of the world into the Kingdom of Light means you dont understand the Spirit of the bible. The earth is in darkness and its prince/god is d devil. His kingdom is now on earth physically but the Kingdom of Yeshua is in us. But WE cant reign now until the earth is destroyed. not the earth but the unbeleivers In the earth because there will be a new earth and heaven so the earth technically remains but its redeemed from sin. Even earth sef don taya Earth is yearning for its redemption, the manifestation of the sons of God.

These prophecy has been from the beginning. Even the old testament believers (Israelites) knew about the afterlife and how they must not live a life on earth chasing material wealth though they had it but seeking God continually. Hebrews 11 vs 9-10

Bible is a book of prophecy, from creation till the flood, from the flood till Israel, from Israel till the Hamshiach, from the Hamshiach till the end of the world. IT WAS ALL WRITTEN. The bible is a book of prophecy and timeline. Im telling you, study your bible and see that what we have now is not the true christain doctrine. Doctirne of excess and abundance. Build your castles, gods will enlarge your coast, year of supernatural glory . Technology, advancement is always constant in all generation. Once a man dies it ends for him. You dont care what goes on from the other side. I told you, in 400 years, that generation will pity us due to advance in tech but ain't we living fine pitying other generations? Same story. Man will keep learning. It beats science till now how some things even during the sumerian or Babylonia era were built

The world will be destroyed. While they say peace, suddenly war erupts. While they say build and enjoy, suddenly calamity and terror .

I rest my case and wont respond to you anymore but for the sake of anyone reading. The world will be destroyed at the coming of Yeshua. Nobody knows when He will come but we know we r in the last days because it started during the generation of the apostles after the death of Yeshua and destruction of the temple. Remember Yeshua said all the stones of the temple will be thrown over each and destroyed. This happened by the hands of the Roman's. The signs are there. Wars, earthquakes, rumours of wars, sin is multiplied. Diseases, other natural disaster. The signs are there
Hide your head in Yeshua not church as it's all been compromised this is the last days and no amount of prayer can avert the in coming doom. It's been prophesied. The world is at boiling. Sin is multiplied and will multiply till the very end. We can only pray for mercy, that God has mercy and hide your head

To the fellow I'm responding to. Note I have scripture to back up everything I said here.

Please Sir, don't waste your precious time on the paxonel guy. It doesn't take deep spiritual intelligence to know that he is not a believer in the Lord and has no real personal relationship with the Lord, hence he remains separated from God, steeped in his sins, awaiting an unprepared meeting with his Maker. We treat men like him with the caution of 1Tim1:4,6. We could easily answer the foolishness of such with scriptures showing their error but it wouldn't help them because they don't see their need to correct the errors and sins in their lives, but having seen their helplessness against their slavemaster, Sin, posture themselves to transfer their aggression on God and His worshippers, not realising that if they are not wise enough to deal with their sin problem, they wouldnt be to understand God and His ways. He ignorantly thinks he can create enough "eye-opening" questions and refutations to make the enlightened embrace his darkness but until darkness for once switches light off in the physical, he will only keep admiring his own folly. Let us keep hoping the best for him, that he finds the mercy of our God, and His liberation in Jesus Christ from His sin, rather than to end up in hell under his bondage to sin and death.
I wanted to also chip in that though our universe will be destroyed eventually, yet we are, for now, to pray God's kingdom on earth to permeate all systems including science and technology, education, government, economy etc. Because if we believers are able to demonstrate the superiority of our God and His heavenly system in all such earthly systems, many more will be saved, and the sacrifice of our Lord will reap what is deserved. So we are to remain actively engaged, seeking to bring a systemic revolution from heaven that teaches the world the superiority of the ways of God in every sphere. Afterall much of the progress men boast of today in science today started because true Christians like Faraday, Newton, Edison, Maxwell, Tesla began to correlate the spiritual realm and the natural, hence bringing understanding that helps men today.

elated177:
I will get back to this. Let me suspend it for now.

Let's look at the issue involving chelseafan99, I can use his monicker now that he has replied, what did he say in that thread that made you and the other guys classify his experiences as demonic? I have asked the question already. Didn't you see it?

CharlyG1:
A man who imagines or dreams this, is a wizard. Whether he knows it or not. The power of control (witchcraft) whatsoever does not come from God. Whether it's the manipulative control of people (like Jezebel), or using magic on various things and objects. It's not from God. It's the superhuman stuff that belongs to the doctrine of demons i.e Dr Strange, Superman, etc.


And if a man imagines himself constantly trying to be like this "Dr Strange personality", then he is messing with occult spirits and he's in darkness already.

Sir, my little contribution about your dream is to say not every dream is a parable that requires interpretation. Some dreams are simply a projection or anatomy into your spiritman, and most times your soul. This is one of the functions of God's Logos light in the believer(Heb4:12). If the believer is sanctified and well severed from his Adamic foundation. Then what you've described here maybe dormant resident power's in your spirit (psychokinesis) which may or may not manifest in your physical universe depending on your maturity in Christlike love and reaching the point of sonship, as well as God's sovereign will for you. Yet in the course of the Logos light inspection of your spirit, it may simply observe this residual ability in the spirit. This may be the case of your dream, but still depends on the witness in your spirit at the time of the dream to tell you the source of this dream and your discernment to tell you the kind of spirit(whether witchcraft) behind it. Regardless of the case, it is never wisdom to focus on any such things than simple perfecting the love of God and development of holy faith. God bless.

paxonel:
point of correction, not "return" but "coming of the lord "
The Jews were waiting for the coming of the Messiah which he came to die and resurrect 2000 years of which many Jews today are still waiting for his coming, unknown to them he has already come and died.
Now what else do you want?
A fictious fly of saints in the sky to heaven ?
Una go wait tire, don't go and think of how to be useful to this world and humanity, keep waiting for a fake doctrine of rapture that is not real or scriptural.

This modern day that there is technological advancement people are going to moon to make research, Africa is still lagging behind in terms of development waiting for rapture.
Una go wait tire

You think you can fool God?
i have told you, as at that time the Jews were waiting for the coming of Christ.
Many of them never thought that the Jesus they saw carrying out miracles healing people in those days was the Christ they were waiting for. Some of them thought he will come through a secret chamber or he will be in the desert or something
this is just a figurative statement of Christ like a parable : it means the journey(movement) of Christ and his disciples like the direction of a thunder from galilee(east of Israel) to Jerusalem(west of Israel) where Christ was to be crucified.(some of these revised standard version of the bible with maps will explain this better)

See, when you read certain aspect of the bible like this, put on your spiritual thinking capacity, don't read these kind of scriptures as if you are reading a text book or you will be so lost.

The bottom-line I'm telling you is, Christ journey with his disiples through the desert to Jerusalem(if you are conversant with the story), his death and resurrection at Jerusalem has finished everything, don't expect anything again.

THAT VERY JOURNEY IN THE DESERT WAS THE GREAT TRIBULATION.

You are now expecting rapture, I don't know where the ancient catholic Roman empire got that one from?
Certainly not the bible.

this is another parable now.
You know what carcase is?
It means dead corpse.
When there is a dead corpse in the desert you will see all these scavengers like vultures gathering around it.
That was how the great tribulation was.
There were over 5000 disciples who eat five bread and two fishes gathering around Jesus Christ in the desert. All of them heading towards Jerusalem, THAT WAS THE GREAT TRIBULATION.
this explains what happened at the end the journey(at the end of the tribulation) when Jesus and his disciples eventually arived Jerusalem. He was crucified and the stars fell from heaven(meaning, there was darkness.
The powers of the heavens was shaken(meaning, there was earthquake)

Matthew 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; AND THE EARTH DID QUAKE and the rocks rent;
the sign here refers to Jesus Christ at the cross dying for the sins of mankind.
take a look this.

Matthew 27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Remember, the centurions were of different tribes from the Jews. They mourned, of a truth this man was the son of God.
this is like a parable.
It means Christ resurrection.
He resurrected with great power and glory
another parable.
It explains what will happen at Pentecost. Act 1:15
The gathering of believers on the day of Pentecost was the first gathering of Christians, about 120 of them.
from what I have posted if you sincere to yourself you will agree with me that the ancient catholic church, missionaries who brought Christianity to Africa and the churches of the old where the ones who twisted scriptures ignorantly and passed them to us as doctrines for us to practice in this generation.
Little wonder the church of today is not utilizing their power given to them by Christ all because of these ignorance.

Don't mention me again. I have no time for mischief and obnoxious sporting.

paxonel:
the choosen one it is talking about were the disciples of Jesus. They went through hell following Christ walking through the wilderness from their cities to Jerusalem where Jesus was to be crucified.
[s]They walked through the wilderness(,desert without food and water) and that is the great tribulation Christ was talking about.
That is what Daniel prophesied
the chosen ones were the disciples, they went through that great tribulation in the desert with Christ without food and water. [/s]

I'm not going to stress this except you're objective about it and willing to improve your knowledge. First @the bolded is only a fictitious lie. I dont know if you're a believer at all but you should be careful with whatever you believe. Second, not only is your explanation obviously faulty and clumsy for a 'great tribulation' but the context of Mat24 is clearly about the return of the Lord from heaven to earth and unfolding and preceding events as shown here. Take special note of v29 that calls these events the 'tribulation' and also what happens immediately after(the judgement of the heavens and the Lord's return v30)
Matthew 24:26-31
[26]Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
[27]For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[28]For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
[29]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

I'm not even going into what Daniel prophesied because the Lord mentioned it here and its in Dan12. Go read and understand and except you're a twister of scriptures it will be clear in Dan12:10-12 that the tribulation(v1) and the daily sacrifice are concurrent events with the resurrection in Dan12:2

no!
This scripture is talking about resurrection of the dead not rapture.

Logically they were all concerned about the Lord's return because that was what the early church was waiting for and Paul addressed the preceeding signs without any mention of the rapture. It is we today that teach otherwise.

antichrists were there long even before Christ was crucified.
I will tell you Antichrists were.
The people who arrested Jesus and crucified him were antichrists.
People who persecute Christians in bible days were antichrists, even Paul was one of them until his way to Damascus.

Mr., look at the scripture again and stop mischieviously twisting scriptures to peddle falsehood. There is a difference between antichrist s and the man of sin, the AntiChrist(Beast) just as there is a difference between Christ and Christians.

can anyone develop his spirituality under ignorance of the scripture?
I don't think it is possible.
Most Nigerian Christians are ignorant of scriptures how can they develop their spirituality?

You should be careful not to accuse others of what you may be guilty of.

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paxonel:
how do you know that this persecution of saint was going to happen in the future?
Did that scripture says anywhere that it was going to happen in the future?

Well, on the contrary see when Jesus says all the things he was talking about in Matthew 24 is going to happen.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

That's what he told them. That, that their generation of 2000 years ago will not past until all those things are fulfilled.

Mazikic:
No, Jesus was talking about the events of 73 AD; how the Romans would besiege and destroy Jerusalem, kill over a million, exile the rest and leave "no stone unturned".

So many ideas fly around about the great tribulation most times neglecting what the Lord Himself said about as well as His messengers. The word was coined from this passage from the Lord -
Matthew 24:21
[21]For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And you only need to read the next verse to know who will be around at the time-
Matthew 24:22
[22]And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the sake of the chosen ones those days shall be shortened.
So yes there will be the chosen ones on earth during the great tribulation.
Furthermore, the early church was taught what immediate signs to look out for preceding the Lord's coming
2 Thessalonians 2:1
[1]Now we beg you, brethren, over the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together unto him,
Take note now:
2 Thessalonians 2:3
[3]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come an apostasy first, and the man of sin(antichrist) be revealed, the son of perdition;
So yes again believers were taught to expect the antichrist first before the Lord's coming.

Again it's more important to develop your spirituality to the utmost each day as if it's your last regardless of when exactly or how the Lord's coming is. If you cannot overcome that sin today, do you risk thinking you will overcome it under the antichrist.

Simplified answers from a scriptural perspective
1. Will God love me if I keep sinning?
God is love and can be nothing else but love(1Jn4:8,16). It doesn't depend on your actions. Love is like a fire(Son8:6,Heb12:29). It purifies those that seek His help as gold(which process can even be painful, Zec13:9) and devours those that rebel against Him(Heb10:27). But the will of Love, if a man will allow it, is to bring all, even the most rebellious into salvation.(2Pet3:9)

2. Does God’s grace mean I can continue to live in sin?
This question is as a result of lack of proper understanding of true grace. If one has sincerely made Jesus Lord and is struggling with any area of sin, it means they are yet to direct/apply grace to that area, for grace is the antidote to sinful life(1Cor15:10,Tit2:11). They can activate grace by Heb4:16

3. Will I lose my salvation if I choose to keep sinning?
There are two categories of sin. There is sin that does not lead to eternal death and there is also sin that leads to eternal death, the loss of salvation(1Jn5:16-17) and every believer can commit both. The only sin unto death is the turning back(apostasy) on faith in the Lord for salvation, which is Man's only hope before God. Every other sin is a sin not unto death. But the problem with all other sin is sin brings you into bondage that takes you only deeper and deeper and if not curtailed can lead you to strong delusion and a hardened heart which can make anyone eventually commit sin unto death(Heb3:13)

4. If God loves me and my salvation is secure, then why can’t I keep doing what I’m doing?
With the understanding of 2 and 3 above, question becomes needless.

5. I can’t help myself. I’m not sure that I could stop even if I wanted to.
No one can help themselves with the sin dwelling in them, that is, habitual sin, else we need not the grace of God. Like Paul said the things I want, I do not(Rom7:15) but the grace of God in the law of the Spirit of Life(Rom8:2) will help us if we engage it, learning first how to do so.