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plaetton:
I believe the sun is the most Visible god there is our celestial neighborhood.

I once opened a thread urging everyone to hail the Sun, from whence comes light and Life.

Obviously, no one is going to ask to prove that the Sun is God, because they know I would prove it.

We ignore the obvious in favour of the mysterious.

It is simply mental indolence.
For, example, with the obvious, we are tasked to study it in greater detail.
But with the mysterious, we just make it as we go.
This is why it is much easier to worship an invisible mystery than it is to pay proper homage to our Sun.

In the same vein, it is much easier to fight the invisible devil than it is to confront our real problems.

You have a point. An Ifa priest once told me those that preach fear have more followership than those that preach love and englightment. Human are configured to bow to fear of the unknown in particular. In other sense, the unknown too is God.

The bolden, I only have a problem with you when you agree that sun is a visible god that should be revered and still go round shouting others who choose to worship a God down, calling them names.

How could you believe in Ra and disbelieve in Jehovah? Are they not the same God?

You know what, Jehovah could exist as an idea which only warrant acceptance.

I dont think you are an atheist like johnydon22, dalaman and weah96, you are not just too good with some concept and idea of God. Atheism negates all god idea but you are here believing Ra should be worship because it is god. I think w need to look beyond idea and concept. All these God were just expression of ancient men who triess to explain the natural world

johnydon22:
[code][/code]You are blatantly mistaking the idea of a personal God with that of deifying an object, animal or human... Many people deify Cows, snakes i just refer to them as Cows and snakes and thats all....i too regard my mother and girl friend as God...

A deified God is already personified.

There is no God but that thing that is called God which exist. Therefore God exxist.

johnydon22:
The idea of a pantheistic God is not seperate but a unifying notion depicting everything in entirety (the whole universe)...So the word God is only used to refer the universe, i do not need to have belief that the universe exists same way i don't need belief to know my mother exist or girl friend...

God is not a particualr entity but tag given to entities. That entity is God and exist.

johnydon22:
Gaia is a goddess whose name man adopted to refer the earth with just like Mars was the god of war now used to name a planet... In such personal God concepts, i totally disbelief

This is not just about calling the name or tagging it but attributing any form of worship, reverence and prayer to it. Therefore it is remains God rather than earth.

johnydon22:
Atheism is disbelief in deities (i do not need belief to know my mother, so such anthropomorphic usage does not hold sway after all we both know the noun God is also used to refer to the gallery of a theater)
..

Are humans not deities?

Are humans not worshipped or seen as divine entity?

johnydon22:
So very much YES...i am an atheist ..

Atheist believes in God.


I don die

dalaman:
But Jehova is God.

Human and Judges are God too.

Money is God.

Cow is God.

In particular, the Op is referring to Jehovah

plaetton:
Maybe You don't understand the op's question?

The op is not asking why Weah96 is not worshiping god.

So your vegetarian analogy is wrong.
Vegetarianism is a clear personal choice.

The question is simple. Why do you think God does not exist?

I am hitting weah96 because he left the question and throws in Jehovah and Allah.

The christians believe in Jehovah but do not believe in Allah. While both are Gods, and what he is been asked, he nneds to tell us why he disbelieve in God and not just Allah

dalaman:
No difference. According to you an atheist doesn't believe in all God concepts. And you say you are one. Isn't that the height of all confusion. Spirituality has nothing to do with God. You can be spiritual but lack any belief in a God or Gods.

Name that spiritual society that is devoured of God

plaetton:
It's funny how people are selective they are in describing god when the question of existence arises.

I once opened a thread about microscopic germs, and how they make 90% of our body cells, how they are social organisms, how they control our bodies, our brains and influence our freewill.
I then referred to them as the gods within, and urged every to endeavor to be harmoniously atuned to the gods within for a healthy andn peaceful life.

As expected, non of our resident goddists on Nairaland would tolerate this.
They ranted and mocked my posts, all the while ignoring the scientific evidence backing it up.

Same peeps here would come and asks atheists to show why we don't believe in the existence of god, the invisible one that is said to supposedly exist out of the universe and time.

Lol.

I believe the sun is God and worthy of my worship.

I am a spiritual atheist

dalaman:
The same question can be asked of you. Just the other time you said you are an atheist. Why do you hold that you are an atheist?

atheist that embrace spirituality.

Copy the difference.

DeepSight:
Are there any atheists that believe in the existence (in the past, present or future) of any type of God or gods whatsoever?

The fallacy of Stephen Roberts and lots of atheists who employ the "we are all atheist" quote for argument

plaetton:
And let me remind YOU sir, that meat is REAL.
No one has doubts about the existence of meat, whether one is vegetarian or not.

How about the Unicorn example?
Prove to us why you don't believe in the existence of Unicorns.

The question for vegetarian is not about if meat exist or not. Vegetarians do not eat meat so the question should be why they do not eat meat and not if meat exist or not. I am pointing reason why they abstain eating totality of that which is called meat and not just pork.

Atheism is disbelieve in God and not just a particular God. This mean an atheist suppose to disbelieve in ALL forms of God and not just that of christians or muslims.

That Unicorn exist is not an ish. You can call it God if you like or tend to worship it. There are lot of personality cults that worship human as God. These human remains God as to those that believe in it and it exist.

Unless you want to tell us atheism is disbelieve in only Jehovah and not all God.

plaetton:
Repeating once again, that it is the person who makes a proposition that is expected to show evidence or proof to the person who doubts.

I don't believe in the existence of god for the very same reasons that I don't believe in Unicorns.
Aside from fairy tales, it has never been seen, photographed, or the skeletons ever unearthed.

Ra has been seen, photographed and the skeleton unearth. Do you disbelieve in the existence of Ra?

Again, were you not the one that said the Sun worth been revered?

As a pantheistic atheist, do you care about of the word God or that entity that is refered to as God? Is the universe not existing because it is called God in pantheism? Are the stars not existing because they are astrolatry deities?

johnydon22:
Depending one what one refers to as GOD...If you refer to (the universe: Everything in existence and ever was) nature with the noun God, then that is beautifully fine and nobody will dispute that pantheistic notion.

But when one brings up the concept of Personal Gods that is not nature and in most claims seats outside nature (universe) itself, with human characteristics, emotions and all.. (one can always ask how that could be..lol..)

So the Op should make it clear: God in this context, is it a form of pantheistic God or a personal God?

I got fine link buttressing this point of yours. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_becomes_the_Universe
https://guyus./my-pantheistic-views/why-i-view-the-universe-as-god/

What most people call God are natural entities that exist here and there. Do you wonder why some culture worship cow and snakes? Does calling them God makes them non-existing?

But the question I ask lot, and I will ask you. Do you believe in pantheist God? Do you believe in Gaia exist. Do you believe the God exist?

If yes, do you still hold that you are an atheist?

plaetton:
Interjecting, I Say to you sir that his question is very very reasonable.

The streets of history are littered with dead and decayed corpses of gods from the beginning of human civilization.
Millions of gods, once considered real, immortal and self-evident, are now relegated to the realms of myth and fairy tales.
Today's God is tomorrow's myth.

So, the op's question should have been About THE IDEA OF GOD, rather about the existence of god.

If you believe in one god myth, then You probably don't believe in other god myths.

Therefore, at any given time, a monotheistic person has millions of gods that he/she does not believe to exist.

Everyone is an atheist to some degree.

how many times do I need to express myself to make you understand me?

Let me employ the vegetarian theory again.

When a vegetarian is asked reason why he refused to eat meat, he doesnt ask in reply which particular meat because as a vegetarian, he does not eat ALL meat. People from Ode-Aye do not eat chicken. People from Odemili do not eat snake. This does not mean they are vegetarian until they forbid eating ALL meat.

Atheism is not just about Jehovah and Allah but all that is called God. The OP asked weah96 while he thinks God does not exist. He is not asking why a particular God does not exist. So in essence, he needs to tell us why he doesnt believe in God. We will call on him when we need answer to why he choose not to believe in Jehovah.

Weah96:
"Being" is a misnomer. Higher power is a better term. I do believe that there is a power(s) that exceeds my own. Mother Nature comes to mind, just as an example.

Simply tell us you believe in Mother Nature. Mind you, she is a goddess and thus exist.

Weah96:
The universe created itself through its mother nature and father time.

Then the Universe is God.

Therefore it exist.

Mother Nature is God. It exist

Weah96:
Implied context of the OP is Christian. What you're doing is time wasting. The OP isn't talking about Barack Obama or Dr. Dre the rapper. He assumes that I'm not a mad man.

Lol.

The God mentioned in Exodus 22:28 is not Jehovah.

Another one is in John 1:1, it is not Jehovah.

There is one also in 10:38 which is not Jehovah.

Meanwhile, the OP said God and not Jehovah.

You need to stop running from responsibility

Weah96:
The OP has one idea that he calls God. I'm trying to understand which connotation of the word he's referring to.

Asking someone whether God exists if like asking whether Car exists. Which car? Automobile, locomotive box cars, or the car that Tom uses to chase Jerry in the cartoons? Some cars are real, others are fake.

Lol.

Are you in essence saying some Gods are really existing while some are not? That the OP should concentrate on those ones like Jehovah and Allah you think does not exist?

If the above is your assertion then I think you lost on the OP. He asked you why do you think God does not exst. This question implies that anything that is termed or defined as God is considerably not existing by you. So going by your presumption, why would you divert the discussion from why does God exist not to I think a particular god exist but ask me tell me why Jehovah or Allah dont exist. This is different thing.

Like I mentioned in my sampling, vegetarian do not eat all meat. So if I ask him/her why he/she doesnt eat meat, I suppose not to be asked again which meat. . . .or maybe do you mean Ishiewu or Pork.

I understand there are lot of God out there. I understand atheism is disbelieve in God too. But what I dont understand from your assertion is that there is a real and imaginary God from atheists perception; I dont necessary need this. But tell simply tell us why you disbelieve in God. We will call on you when we need to ask about why you disbelieve in Allah or Yahweh. Right now tell us why you disbelieve in God

TheDauraMallam:
Your expatiation begets another scenario: You're trying to say the OP believes in all these gods or believes in a god superior than all these gods?

Or

You're trying to say the OP believes in the Nigerian god[s] (Allah, Obatala, Amadioha, Sango etc) or the Christian god[s] (Yahweh or Jesus, also considered god by some Christians) or the Moslem god[s] (Allah, the Moon etc)

Pray expatiate further.

Atheism is disbelieve in God/gods. This in particular mean disbelieve in ALL gods and not just Jehovah and Allah only. Christians believe in Jehovah but disbelieve in Allah and every other God that exist in other religion and culture. Therefore atheists are expected to disbelieve in all these God.

Atheism is a greek word a + theos which mean No God. God there is not just Allah or Jehovah though they make it up but all Gods.

http://godisimaginary.com/i28.htm


So the OP asked a simple question, why do you think God does not exist? So I dont expect weah69 to peg the question for Jehovah or Allah.

Weah96:
There are different Gods. Are you referring to Jehovah, Yahweh, or Allah? My reasons vary for each one.

Pls permit me to cut in here.

The response you have here is completely wrong and it particularly driving the discussion into another subject. The OP asked you to explain why you think God does not exist. He didnt ask you why this particular God does not exist. So I dont see reason why you are bringing Jehovah and Allah brohaha into this. The question is why do you think God does not exist.

Let me elaborate my point with this sample. I could ask a vegetarian why he/she choose not to eat meat. The answer expected from such person is not another rhetoric question like do you mean pork or dog meat or elephant meat. What type of meat I refer to is not a problem but why is it that vegetarian dont eat meat. Just go straight to the answer.

That know, can you pls look away from Allah or Jehovah for now (that is another issue) and tell us why you disbelieve in God?

The topic should be when Jehovah doesnt make sense.

Propti1:
@ Op, Macof, Folykaze and other like minded folks.

Is their anyway a traditionalist can go about his business of spirituality without shedding blood of animals?

And

Did any of the "gods" attain his height without
blood sacrifice?

In many cultures, blood is the symbol of life. And in spiritual circle, it represent the ultimate seal, tradition perception that alliance, vow and contract is irreversible especially between men and the Gods.

That said, all gods do not accept blood sacrifice. There are some that prohibit it completely and there are some that accept blood of only specific animal

Dindondin:
Pabloafricanus, did you say that Osanyin priest can cure diabetes?
Like chronic ones?

Osanyin is the deity of herbs and medicine

Are you selling it with the tank or it would be fixed with any tank I wish to use? Mostly importantly, who is going to take care of the installation and servicing?

Jeromejnr:
Trust me, don't even get started with this issue. It could take us a month before we get finished.

Oga start pls.

You claimed god is not human while Jesus even refered to human as god. So who is wrong and who is right?

Money don enter bush be that o

Weah96:
Gods are humans, or does Folykaze need to come in and break it down to you?

Let me give you two shot.

Ask the pastor puppet who the bible refers to as gods in john 10:34.

Ask him if he has any idea of whay apotheosis is.

Trust me he will run hiding

Auto proxy helps to channel network to apps like playstore, tubemate and showbox

UncleJudax:
Lol. As though he has the power to SACK him.

He can use the one GEJ used

OREMUSSANCTUS:
We(niger delta and biafra) are solidly behind saraki, nufin can stop dis great man, not even Buhari

Biafran supporting Yoruba-fulani breed. Hilarious

Now I see the reason Buhari did not sack the CBN governor

OREMUSSANCTUS:
We(biafra cum niger delta) re solidly behind saraki leadership
May God increase ur coast(wealth)

Just imagine a Biafran supporting a half Fulani half Yoruba dude. Wonder shall never end

It is too too late to cry when the head had been cut off. What was he looking at when the ministers were stealing in? Anyway we have pushed him alway. How he deal with them is not our problem

PDP is dead.