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NativeBoy: So this is what the conversation gas devolved into? Conspiracy. Yes, the KJV has that coincidence but please tell me you guys don't actually believe this. In Coverdale's Bible of 1535, "shake" (word actually used is raged) is 46 from top and "speare" is 47 from bottom. These words were in close proximity to 46 in a score of bibles before KJV.

Rather than just admit that you failed in your attempt to undermine the translation of scripture, you guys are reaching for the air.

Shame.

You are so much embarrassing. Is shake same thing as raged? Did I mention 46 and 47 counts? Where did I say I believe....i know what is in it... Why did kjv arrange and place everything in 46 and 46?

Only if you know that a single figure can redirect a project and end it useless then you should know 46 and 47 is a different thang as that 1 do not make it exact. Show us another bible version with exact 46 and 46 counts. Go through your sites and plagiarize them. We know that is what you do.

It you that got no shame. (my point was 46 and 46 counts.....produce that in another version or you keep mute accepting some people are manipulating kjv)

macof: Conspiracy of KJ on my mind

You know That guy either doesn't know how to translate or He is a crook

"Lucifer" Isaiah 14:12 another debatable matter

Nativeboy is a dishonest person who looks out for cheap draws. He didn't take his time to do the counting and relate it with my points. He just shoot missing the real target. Even meliyn his puppet who got nothing to offer was praising him without checking out what is what. Those bros missed target.

Kjv placed those words there for a purpose. Why is it that it only appears in kjv well arranged but other translations disorganise it. Why do some translations change the word? The guy went copying trash from another apologetic sites to clean is asz.

Christianity is a religion of lies. See them displaying it.

NativeBoy: Here's another one I found:

Finally, numbers like these 46s, and coincidences of this kind, are a dime a dozen. A person can pull numerical shenanigans all day long. My wife’s name is Bethany, and at this writing, she is 26 years old. In the New King James Version in the twenty-sixth chapter of Matthew in verse 6, the name Bethany appears. It happens to be the sixth word from the beginning of the verse, which is the exact age my wife would have been for the majority of the year 1982, which was the year the New King James Version hit the market. That must mean that she helped translate that particular section of scripture. Or maybe it just means that numbers can be made to say just about anything.

Do you realize what you sound like? A whole bunch of bibles have "shake" at 46 from top. Your claim would make more sense if no bibles before KJV had 46 from the top. I mean come on man, now we're just debating ifs and maybes.

Plagiarising is a great criminal offense (stealing, fraudining, illegal copying and copyright infringement) and display of dishonesty and insincerity. The bold is from this site http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=13&article=925 why are you lying and stealing around to make a point?

What I wrote which you want to refute was completely lost shot. My position is that in kjv, shakespear appear in psalm 46 counting from first verse 46 words produce shake while counting from the last verse 46 words produce spear. This only appears in Kjv bible while other versions misplace the words or change the words into another thing.

From the bible you gave, nobody mention if it appears there or not but the point is that kjv rearrange it words perfectly for a purpose and full intention. Coming here with cheap straws with a plagiarized work is makes you not trustworthy person.

From the bishop bible.....shake appears at the count of 46 while speare appears at the count of 48.

From the Great bible.....shake appears at the count of 41 while speare appears at the count of 46

From the Kjv.....shake appears at the count of 46 while spear appears at the count of 46.

From other translations, we have quake instead of shake. Now who is dishonest with his claims and who is picking straws?

macof: E no open.

But lemme assume u xtians are saying the truth. Is this important to prove Yahweh is God of everything in the universe?

Let's make this thing interesting and stop using dead English men to distort our progress.

I still haven't accepted sha, I didn't see anything

I opened the two links and this is what I got.

From the bishop bible.....shake appears at the count of 46 while speare appears at the count of 48.

From the Great bible.....shake appears at the count of 41 while speare appears at the count of 46

From the Kjv.....shake appears at the count of 46 while spear appears at the count of 46. This is what I said. We are dealing about placement and not if the word appear in another version. Nobody is querying about mistranslation but the position and placement with the birthday of shakespear. Why is it 46 all through but others misplaced it or change it spelling? That was all I said.

From other translations, we have quake instead of shake. Now who is dishonest with his claims and who is picking straws?

NativeBoy: FOLYKAZE, you know exactly what point you were trying to prove and you were refuted. Why are you grasping at straws?

What you brought up is dubious and doesn't correlate with my post. I did the counting in your quoted bible and was misplaced. I did the counting over in the Kjv and it exact. Meaning the placement in kjv was intentional.

NativeBoy: YES!!! You are forcing me to label you as dishonest.

You are forcing me to label you as insincere pal.

If one counts 46 words from the beginning of the chapter, one comes to the word "shake." Discounting the word Selah (the Hebrew equivalent to Amen), we find the same thing at the end of the chapter. The word "spear" is 46 words from the end of the chapter. Remarkably, Shakespeare was 46 in 1610 when the text was being prepared for printing!

While there is no solid counterargument to the assertion that the Shakespeare message in Psalm 46 is purely coincidental, it should be noted that you can only find it in the KJV. All subsequent translations have either changed one of the words, or rearranged some words so they do not fall where they need to be just like the bible you brought up. Why was the KJV arranged the way it was, while all other translations were different? Of course, this could be asked of any chapter, but the fact that there seems to be a pattern in Psalm 46 in KJV makes it intentional.

NativeBoy: Come on man. Just admit that you were wrong. There's no shame in that. We're all wrong about things. It happens.

FOLYKAZE: The instruction from the above is for you to count 46 words from first verse and another 46 words from the end both on chapter 46. Pls when you do that on those bible you quoted, do you get shakespear?

Lets do the counting together. I wasn't wrong because I gave premises. Count 46 words from both start and end of psalm 46 and you get shakespear. Such doesn't appear in your bible.

MEILYN: poo.... You are trying to cover up your ignorance . Folake, fear wasnt spelt as feare too huh? Okay now, lets hear what Macof will come up with, you have been whipped, you like lies mr man.

FOLYKAZE: King James in 1610 commanded his men who were translating the bible into English, to insert the name of his good friend, “Shakespear “, into the 46th Psalms as a 46 birthday gift. William Shakespear was 46 years old in 1610 the year that the bible was completed being translated into English. Get an older King James Version of the bible & count 46 words starting with the first word in Psalms 46 you will come to Shake, and if you count 46 words up from the last word {refuge} In Psalms 46 you will get to Spear. {Note: The updated version of the bible havereplaced the word “shake” with the word “quake” in an attempt to cover up this forgery. This is the same bible some people call holy inspiration.

The instruction from the above is for you to count 46 words from first verse and another 46 words from the end both on chapter 46. Pls when you do that on those bible you quoted, do you get shakespear?

MEILYN: poo.... You are trying to cover your ignorance . Folake, fear wasnt spelt as feare too huh? Okay now, lets hear what Macof will come up with, you have been whipped, you like lies mr man.

too should be spell as took and still mean the same? You damn ignorant.

Shakespear is not same as shakespeare

MEILYN: hehehe, your gods wanted me dead, but my God saved me brahhh

Sango keeps you alive. This is not stone. Go and figure what Sango mean.

No need dealing with you. You already said your god is an Idol.

NativeBoy: It really is sad. He just won't admit that he was wrong!!!

now william is shakespeare. Do you see the difference? Fine maybe it quakespeare too.

MEILYN: look at this one, you missed english classes huh? what does speare mean? Check the first link, help was spelt as helpe, the 2nd link, chief spelt as cheife, fear-feare, rush-rushe so your brain didnt tell you its an old english and the [e] doesnt matter? FOLYKAZE, Nw i can see how ignorant you are, i thought you were intelligent. .

MEILYN: you only know how to call people fools and liars, you are the folly here. Folykaze smh.

Lol. It now misspelling huh? Smh.

William shakespear name wasn't spell as speare. Try another lies

MEILYN: Gbam.. @Macof, have you seen it? Folake was wrong. Shakespare ni sharkscare ko mtcheeww

you are embarrassment to knowledge and intelligence. Why cant you read through the link before disgracing yourself?

NativeBoy: Here you go:

Great Bible:
http://thebiblecorner.com/englishbibles/thegreatbible/psalms/46.html

Bishop's Bible
http://thebiblecorner.com/englishbibles/thebishopsbible/psalms/46.html

we have speare in both bible. Not spear. Liar

MEILYN: They dont help me bro. Am being helped by the Most High God. Do you know how many times these sango worshippers tried to kill me?. But the Most High God has been with me. When i was 5years of age, i had convulsion, everybody thought i would die but i didnt die bro. 2years later a woman confessed as being the one responsible for my illness, a yoruba witch, that was what she was, but they couldnt kill me. That shows you Yahweh has always been with me all along... Why did they want to kill me? Am still wondering till date.... And you want me to worship idols that wanted me dead? God forbid.

They want to kill you and same sango keeps you alive? Your ignorance is alarming. Lol. Rocks are in your head.

MEILYN: why sixth? Why not first? . Obadiah never said that, he was only assuming. He said before Obama leaves office, has Obama left office? Wait till 2015 before you start crucifying the Prophet.

Is Yoruba the only tribe in the world? Other tribe are coming up....we lead tribal religion. When is Igbo? Conquered....many culture and tradition conquered but we still here today.

Stop lying on Obadiah. It past and your God have failed. No wars so he failed. Deal with topic.

FOLYKAZE: Yes....the best english for mountain being called nations is simply hill-countries. We know that bra

MEILYN: its not yet time to judge Obadiah, he said 2015, this is just 2013. Talking about failure, it is your pagan god that has failed. Not upto 1000 people worship those things anymore. Now thats failure.

Who are you to judge your creator? He created you and I, questioning Him is not a part of your mission on earth. So Folake according to Mr President you have no say in these things, these things are spiritual, only for enlightened people to understand and not idol worshipper like you are

Your dishonesty is alarming and really make me sick.

Obadiah said the world war 3 will happen last month and I piled evidence to shut him up. I remember he deleted that said thread.....he found that as thread as another person like him ended up in jail.

Ifa religion is the sixth in the world religion today. Is that what you call failure? Smh

NativeBoy: Wow. With but a statement you have shown that you are out of your depth here. You have lost all credibility. I officially bow out of this conversation. You clearly just latch on to any theory that you think disproves the bible.

For the benefit of those following this thread and yourself, I leave you with this. Please check out Psalm 46 in the Great Bible of 1540 or the Bishop's Bible of 1546 both put together before Shakespeare was born. They too have the words "shake" in verse 3 and "spear" in verse 9. I suppose Shakespeare time traveled back in time to insert in name in those bibles as well.

Wow.

And you cant quote the bible directly so that we confirm your claim?

MEILYN: Na you know watin you dey talk.

"I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:" (Psalm 78:2).... 89% of the bible are parables. You wont understand it, that explains why you keep spewing and saying trash about the bible, its because you dont understand it.

"And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: " (Mark 4:11). the bible is still a parable to you, that explains why you have been saying rubbish about the bible and speaking evil of God.

"But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;" (2 Peter 2:12).

but erm, am here to warn you, macof, repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. Orunmila wont be able to save you when the time comes. The bible is real, prophecies have been fulfilled , that alone tells you how real the bible is. I rest my case. Be warned.

Is this how mountain turn to nation? Smh

And your blood thirsty God that reveal world war 3 to Obadiah couldn't see that he failed woefully? Are you guys not worshipping the same failure who revealed the vision to Obadiah. The God that is ready to suck the blood of little children and innocent women. Yeah....we know what happened to rocks....weathering breaks it down to plain. Your God has been defeated over and over again.

Yoruba: Eniyan ni ki e be, Olorun Oba ki i binu.

English: Humans are the ones to beg or to plead to, God never gets upset/angry/annoyed.

I dont know why you are human if your Ori cant save you.

MEILYN: I agree with you, God is the God of mountains. Mountains means Nations. I wont say more than that.

Yes....the best english for mountain being called nations is simply hill-countries. We know that bra

The legislators should provide jungle justice. I feel like using horse whip with blades design on his ass. The whole THISDAYS staff, those killed in the bombing families and interested one can use this nigerian-made whip to cut bit of his flesh. The rest body them should be feed to pig. He can go to hell from the belly of the pig

strangest: The point is what were they doing with incriminating INEC materials... So SW wants to use one stone to kill two birds?...

They had their I.D on and not Voters card. I wonder where you guys keep your brains when coming online. How do you expect hoodlums to rig state election with two guns amidst armoured tanks, fighter jet and heavy weapons in the hand of the securities on ground. Do you expect 180 people to share two guns?

Adding from another news, the guns belong to registered vigilante from Imo state who were guarding the election observers. PDP and this political lies cant lead anywhere.

MEILYN: yes God is the God of mountains, you are correct. But you should know what mountains mean in the bible.

"Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it." (Zechariah 4:7).

"And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth." (Revelation 17:9). what does mountain in the bible mean? It means nations Isaiah 41-14:16. So God is the God of Nations. And not a literal mountain, u do err.

We know mountain or rocks symbolize strength and war. We know it symbolize destruction too following the meaning of El-shaddai and this kinda come from the use of stone in killing and fighting back in the days. Shaddai also could mean fertility. So what is the non literal you are talking about here?

Jakuta: It's one of the name variant of Jackie (Jacquetta) but spelt in Yoruba (Jakuta) as he is my favorite actor. It's my childhood nickname (spelt either way). Just have to use it again and not a Sango prototype.

Jakuta is the name of Sango. This tactic of dodging whats facing you is dishonesty.

Jakuta: Please do this without insult. It's a forum, just debate. Pls pick no offense and lets learn from each other.

I am scared!!!!
How come you dont see what is related to the topic. Are we not talking of the God of the Hill?

My advise to you is that " You put away criticism when reading an opposite idea to understand the clear intent.

If you have being the bible like this.........I am scared

Another rants. Just show us how it relate with the OP.

Uyi Iredia: So no show.

I think Ghostofsparta should go ahead with his show. One fit is ok.

If it not Yoruba then it nobody. I think this thread fit for culture section

Jakuta: Laughing,
Can we do this without insult? I would appreciate that.

In all religion (if not all then almost all) there always be a custodian whom have deep knowledge of such religion. This means your mortal knowledge is not enough to go through a religion.

You need someone either in flesh or in spirit.

Human knowledge is biased, always based on their Lust and selfish believe that is why you need the Holy spirit who is not biased and have only the assignment of God at heart.

Remember 1st Corinthian Chap 1 vs 15-31?

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
17 ¶ For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
(KJV)


God be with you.

And what is the moral of this? I cant make sense out of it. You just flooding this thread with rants and babble gilberish.


And your moniker, are you aworo sango?

macof: A person who is Hebrew says Shaddai means mountain, King James who doesn't said it means almighty.

And some humans believe, sorry for them sha

King James in 1610 commanded his men who were translating the bible into English, to insert the name of his good friend, “Shakespear “, into the 46th Psalms as a 46 birthday gift. William Shakespear was 46 years old in 1610 the year that the bible was completed being translated into English. Get an older King James Version of the bible & count 46 words starting with the first word in Psalms 46 you will come to Shake, and if you count 46 words up from the last word {refuge} In Psalms 46 you will get to Spear. {Note: The updated version of the bible havereplaced the word “shake” with the word “quake” in an attempt to cover up this forgery. This is the same bible some people call holy inspiration.

NativeBoy: You accuse me of ignoring the text. Perhaps you could reread the first paragraph. Pay attention to the word "conventionally translated". Then read the second paragraph where it says el Shaddai meaning the god of the mountains is a THEORY, one that has been WEAKENED.

You have not given us the etymological definition. You are just dancing around the bush.

El Shaddai have been broken etymologically but you denying it. Breaks it and show us how it mean God Almighty

Jakuta: I have being patiently following religious threads on Nairaland. What I have seen is the inability to decodes/understands some proverbial/descriptive words used int he bible.
You need to know that bible is written in a proverbial/ narrative/ descriptive and personified manner. That is why you need the holy spirit to put you through when reading the bible. god will open your understanding for you to understand the scripture (Lk 24 vs 44-45). Ask (matt 7V7).

Bible is not literature or for the immature, you surely needed a guide in one way at one time if not many.

God of the Mountains:
This is not supposed to mean a God who resides in a mountain but don't you think a God who is above all other gods. As we know nothing is higher than a mountain. Then he can never be a God of the valley. mba!!

Take Heb 4 vs 12 for more detail,

(12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.)

Does this means that the word that comes from God's mouth will injure your soul and spirit? Or what will a sword do to a soul other harm?
The word of God can and will not harm you (if you believe for it is life and truth).

Friends wake up.
Read not bible word for words but understand what the message is all about. If you should spend all this time you have spent criticizing on to understanding, guys you would have gone far with God.


SHALOM.

How does this add to the OP? This is waste of time reading....bring up something related to the topic and stop weeping.

Lincoln burrows: Nothing to learn bro. U guys are more interested in fighting one God(Jesus). You know deep down that if u believe in African juju, then u can't be called an atheist again. Then it becomes difference in religion and not irreligion.

You have admitted not to learn. So why wasting time on religitard?

As per the bold, I dont believe I know it.