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NativeBoy: You misunderstood me. I'm asking for strength comparisons between the tribal gods and even between national gods? As an example, who's stronger between the gods if the Igbo pantheon vs the gods of the Yoruba pantheon? Or, who's stronger between the Yoruba pantheon of gods and say the Maasai pantheon of gods?

Sango of Yoruba is Amahodia of Igbo and Thor of greek. Pagan is universal. Nothing like stronger or strongest

noblefada: @folykaze thanks for the attempt, but the bible is a whole book, you cannot pick the ones you like and call the rest forgery, nope the bible taking as a whole explains it self. As for the Greek issue you and I both know that when the NT was written the common language was Greek, it meant the rest of mankind but again at least it shows that salvation was not only to the Jews.
Which now brings to the most important of all the issue raised, Paul. Paul is still the most notable and quoted of all apostles because he followed and delivered the promise of Christ Jesus, those ur contradictions are just child's play and I might take it up to show ur ignorance of scriptures.

Hmmmm. Let me take it slow with ya.

The bible you are defending is a volume of books and not just a single book. Now ask yourself, since we have different version of bible.... 66 books protestant bible, 78 books catholic bible, the ethiopian orthodox bible or the coptic bible.....with many additional books or removing of others, which of the bible is really inspired? What should come to your mind is that there are massive manipulations among others. Also going by the different versions and translations, is it the kjv with additional verses or the Rsv with missing verses you going to take as inspired? 1john5:8 is completely different between kjv and rsv. Many verses were lost in gospel of mark but were found in the kjv....where did they get it from?

The bible as it is now is complete false and forgery work. Jeremiah 8:8 says it all.

Greek was the common language during the days of Jesus but there is no trace that the language was spoken through out the whole planet. There is no trace that far in the uncivilized societies in Africa speak greece. Nowhere.

Well base on salvation of a thing, I have argued my points before you and there was no single refute. It is up to you to read the bible again with open mind. The jew salvation is on the messiah. They dont even believe Jesus is the prophecised messiah. You know there were many self-acclaimed messiah apart from jesus in Jew? From the bible, the expected messiah should be military leader and jesus wasn't a military man. But from every words of Jesus, he didn't mention dying or saving except the jew.

Because paul quote Jesus or preached about him doesn't make paul a true teacher. Samething applies to Obj been the person that rule nigeria for the longest period do not mean he is the best president or achieve than late Yaradua. Paul contradicted Jesus teaching more than 50 places, he added doctrines which Jesus never preached about into his teaching and he corrupted many of Jesus teaching. Jesus was an Ebonite (doctrine for the poor, vegetarian, peaceful follower of judaism, preach kingdom on earth, jew salvation only, water baptism) but paul invented schism (meat eater, preaching heaven, eating food sacrificed to Idols, sexism, gentile salvation, didnt baptize and many others) while christianity was invented by the catholic (universal) church through the patching of Ebonism, schism and roman idolatory to juice it for Idolators.

If my whole points is from my ignorance, I take that as a compliment from you. Jesus charged his followers to be watchful and keep away from false teachers who will deceive people and even the elites with sign and wonders. Other the other hand, paul convinced people through signs and wonders.

Jesus also warned about the wolf in the sheep clothing.
- Paul was the person that fight and cause disagreement among the disciple base on preaching the gospel to the jew.
- Paul instructed his followers to eat meat sacrificed to Idols.
- Paul was the person that brought sexism in addition into his doctrines.


If by this you still follow paul teaching, it should be better you convert to paulianity instead of deceiving yourself as a christian.

Moreso, I have not forcing you to accept any of my words. Truth is all I told you and it evident in the bible you holding as sacred. Go on with your studying.....you will get there soon.

NativeBoy: Again, you're free to say what you want but without scholarly evidence, you cannot hope to convince anyone.

Since I don't think you'll produce any such evidence to back up your claims, I'll go another route. Let's assume that as you have said we should return to our own gods and abandon the Judeo-Christian God, then I'd like to know, whose god is stronger?

There is nothing like strongest among Orisa. Obatala lead the creation team and he is referred to as omnipresent, Orunmila is the Omniscient while Oduduwa is the Omnipotent. Oduduwa take charges after Obatala couldn't continue his task while Ogun lead when they were about the enter earth. Eshu save all the Ase of all Orisa so they take permission from him before commencing on a task. And Ogun symbolize strength....orunmila use him because orunmila do not have bone. They all work together.....there is nothing like stronger or strongest anywhere.

emotional: You are wlcm. Am also following d said thread but I couldn't find any post directed at it,if u can explain it here briefly. thanks for d privilege.

To the best I know it, Orunmila covers intelligence and divinity. I have searched everywhere but cant find any image representation or carved wood that represent Orunmila. The only representation we could talk about here is Ikin Ifa. And from my best knowledge, Ikin is the tool use for communiting with Orunmila and having access to ones Ori and other Orisa.

And I read through the question again but cant grap what you really driving at. Is it that Orunmila doesn't have image representation (if it this, Ikin or Opele could be what you call representation)? Or can you rephrase your question more better here.

Logicboy03: I ran away.....I no like African jazz

You have spoken your mind and it reality. Cheers man.

NativeBoy: Everyone originated from Africa.

Who doesn't hate blacks? What's your point?

I think we are digressing from the main topic.

we didn't originate from two parents. The whole earth surface was one landmass before it split between the sea. Even you are contradicting your alpha man Mr President that said you originated from Middle east.

truthislight: ^^^











Guy, you funny die.
Keep on feeding whatever you are feeding men

Bitiich swallow my words, taste my thought and if it too nasty, split it back at me.

noblefada: @ folykaze Ok since you're very good at explaining, kindly explain the following scriptures:

Hey bro, you are asking too much of me. I took thousands of letter before I can round up on just a context in john 3:16 and now you are bombarding me with many verses. Anyway let me answer you to the best I can.

noblefada: 1. From the John 3:16, you forgot the " whosoever believe"

Whosoever in that context qualifies 'world' which is distinctive race...jew/israel.

noblefada: 2. Who are the all men referred here Joh 12:32 KJV And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

And where did you get from fact that all men mean whole human? Men can mean man (pluralize), group of people or nation.

So if you enter a lecture hall and ask all men to follow you, it mean all the men in school or in that specific class? How about if you reading a novel and you come across a clause like 'kill all the men' should mean all male in the earth or specific people? What if the soldiers killing and the commander were men, they should kill themselves too huh?

Lifting in that verse also is refering to when moses lifted a copper snake in the wilderness. And who were those that sight the serpent? Pls were chinese, Yoruba or fijian among the Israelites in the wilderness?

noblefada: 3. Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

Already answered on men.

noblefada: 4. Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Men query sealed.

noblefada: 5. 1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

I will deal with this cause john was the author and not the corrupter paul.

To answer you here bro....we shall employ the lost sheep and the good shepherd parable here.

Pls read John 10:11-18 and luke 15:4-5 cuz I cant paste it here due to space. I am on mobile

From the above verses, note some terms in the parable and there meaning.

Sheep = Israel.

One fold of sheep is here and there is another = There are twelve tribes of Israel but ten were lost after the babylon captivity. So the fold of sheep here is the two tribes still remaining while the other fold are the lost ten.

Shepherd = Jesus.

Wolf = Babylon.

Wilderness = whole earth.

Now lets build the puzzle. When the hired shepherd was feeding his flocks, the wolf came and the flocks scattered into the wilderness. But the good shepherd leave the fold of the sheep and go searching for those lost in the wilderness. Now we need to understand that there are many animal in that same wilderness (world). We have goat, dog, cat, tiger, lion, buffalo, chicken, eagles, antelope and many thousands of animal but the good shepherd picked only his lost sheep. He didn't include dogs, tigers, chickens or elephants.

So Jesus sent his disciples to go and gather the lost sheep (ten tribes of Israel) not elephants, eagles, snakes or tigers. In the wilderness (whole world), shepherd is concerned about lost sheep like he said in matt 15:24 and urge his disciples to go for sheep ignoring dogs, and other animals matt 10-5-6.

noblefada: 6. 1Co 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Paul is a false teacher. We have deal with that. And are you a greek?

noblefada: 7. Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

The corrupter of the word of jesus again. You aint a greek.

noblefada: 8. Mat 28:18-19 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Matthew chapter 24-28 was a forgery work copied from the last verses in the gospel of mark. The book of mark was the oldest gospel and the written first. Many years later, other gospel writter copied from it but Mark 16:12-20 was added by the church so every other thing copied from mark 16:12-20 are forgeries.

noblefada: 9. Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Forgeries of the church. And if you want to argue, prove to me mark 16:12-20 wasn't added by the church. And or apply the parable of lost sheep and good shepherd to balance it all. More so, the verse is not a statement from Jesus.

You answered man. Any refute?

NativeBoy: Where did black people come from? In fact, where does everyone come from? Is Africa not home to civilization?

Black can be many peoples look at fijians and people from vanuatu, they are black and not from africa. Indians the asian kind (India) can be black as well and they aint African. Stop spreading lies as truth.

Even the so called Jew hate blacks than anything. Read about it here http://thebilzerianreport.com/why-do-so-many-jews-hate-black-people/. Your cheap lies cant grow here.

Mr President: As for you, folake the demonic, continue misquoting sacred Scripture, pretending to be intelligent.

Your recompense will come. It will not tarry. It was promised

You were warned.

I have trashed your fallacy over and over. Deal with it and stop running around bush.

Here is it again :

FOLYKAZE: You want to redefine what a question is? Chai.....I gave you the best upper cut. See butthurt lol.

I asked you simple question, I dont know why you running around the bush from it.




Lol. How is the burying of bini king's head in Ife turn to supremacy? Do you know Eko (lagos) belong to bini people? Pls show us the historical relationship between Israel and Yoruba. Chai...dishonesty and insincerity patched with ignorance is deadly virus.

Maybe we need to redefine supremacy because you just pick words and use it without knowing the meaning.

And what exactly do you burst? Where is your historical facts that back your points? I have giving you connection in history, topography, culture and politics.

Oduduwa was the son of last Ogiso (meaning kings from the sky) so the yoruba through this believe Oduduwa was from the sky.

Bini is to the east of Oyo.

Ooni (the title after the king of Ife) came after a foreign pregnant woman was captured during Oro festival. She was spared because she was pregnant and dedicated to the gods and also helping aging Oduduwa in his shrine. Ooni means this one is spared. The reason there was a king in Ife was installing of the priest in Ife by britains. Original there are no kings there. This is the reason why the Alaafin wont accept Ooni as king or superior in gathering.

The son of Oranmiyan (Eweka) was the first Oba of bini.

Bini was called then Edo until it was changed to Ile Ibinu (town of anger).

Bini today have Oba....they have yoruba names. Pls how is this supremacy? You can be so foolish.





Ignorance and stupidity display again.

If Odu mean supreme then Odu Ifa mean supreme Ifa. Smh. Also when yoruba priest ask what is the Odu that show in Ifa mean what is the supreme? Your failure is classical and epic. You might go to school but you worse than illiterates.

Odu mean Intelligence.

Orunmila is the spirit of Intelligence. Odu Ifa mean intelligent facet of Ifa corpus.

Your ignorance is alarming.




And you worship ruin of wall and Kabbalah. Mtchewwww have you been to Israel once? Abeg you cant know that.

You worship the god of hills, rocks and mountain. Here is the evidence https://www.nairaland.com/1508769/christians-god-idol-hills See pot calling kettle black. Stupidity of highest order. Lol

I killed you thrice and you resort to insulting me? If I draw Eshu to sow his plant in your life, you will whin like baby. Deal with whats before you bastard

emotional: have been following and enjoying this thread,thanks to you all. pls FOLYKAZE / GHOSTOFSPARTA can you guys explain the bolded?

Read about Orunmila and Ifa here. https://www.nairaland.com/1486568/plain-concept-eledumare-orisas-reality#19131425 . You can ask any question either on this thread or on the said thread. Thanks bro

macof: Ekiti is the home of Iyan,

Do u think the Ooni is lying about his Oduduwa lineage?
I wouldnt want to call a King a lair

However Whether Ooni is a descendant or Not, he is not on the level of Alaafin

Bini And Ife have always had a good relationship and bini has high respect for Ife for The singular reason that Eweka's father(Oranmiyan) is from Ife.

Now with this claim of Oduduwa coming from Old Bini does make sense but I still have doubts. I always thought he came from somewhere around Idanre or Iwo.

foly I heard Olokun(the human) was the wife of Oduduwa when he came, do u know anything about this?

It good to doubt and be skeptical. Just keep researching bro.

Concerning the issue of Oduduwa marrying Olokun, I dont know much. The only thing I know is that Oduduwa the orisa is a woman and a wife to Obatala. They both had children namely yemoja and Aginju. But the human Oduduwa was a man....cant remember his wife name but will try to check it up for you.

NativeBoy: You are making a false assertion that the reason for Nigeria and Africa's plight is their forsaking of their gods. If it were so, those tribes that still cling to the traditional way should be far better off than the rest which is clearly not the case. The black man's plight is foremost caused by his lack of identity; he lacks the knowledge of who he is because he doesn't know where he came from. He doesn't know his history.

That being said, it should not be taken to imply that he must worship the gods of his ancestors if he is to reconnect with his heritage. If that were the case, we would all have to find the gods our respective tribes worship them. Even then, what will it do?

You have tried to argue that the Judeo-Christian God is not the God of all, but that argument cannot succeed. There is so much scripture speaking about the gospel going to the Gentiles and Africans have been a part of the early church since even before Christ died.

A couple of examples: The man who helped carry Jesus' cross was African. The eunuch that Philip the evangelist (sent by the Holy Spirit) witnessed to was African. Moses married a black woman. Joseph's wife and his children were most likely black. The Judeo-Christian God is the God of all.

Again, primarily in the Old Testament, he dealt solely with the children of Israel and during these times of ignorance, it was fine for everyone to pursue their own gods as it suited their understanding. But now that Christ has come, the light has come to the world. The one true God has been revealed to man.

I sincerely hope you will not try to contort these scriptures. They are clear as day.

Ultimately, it is not in accepting the Judeo-Christian God that Africa's problems will be solved. It will begin to be solved when we begin to use the talents God has given us.

So being black mean you African? Are there no black chinese? Smh

noblefada: You called that contradictions you guys are very funny. No matter how much amusing this is, it's still a waste of my time. Listen the signature for the Pauline epistles was is usage of words like " in him, by him, through whom, etc. Those phrases were absent in the book of Hebrews, which may made many scholars doubt if Paul wrote the book, and this is the same person you said taught contradictory to Christ? you can see why I'm laughing and smh. As for Jesus never died for everyone the must popular bible verse clarifies that or you want to tell me you don't know John 3:16. You guys should stop wasting my time

I just cant help up laugh bro. I understand you read bible out of context with critical analysing and understanding of each word. Lets take a look at john 3:16

John 3:16
King James Version (KJV)

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

^^^^the bold is the exact place your confusion lie. But to get this straight, you need to understand world in that context.

Lets deal with this: According to Dictionary.com, 'world' is defined as :

7 a: a division or generation of the inhabitants of the earth distinguished by living together at the same place or at the same time <the medieval world>
b: a distinctive class of persons or their sphere of interest or activity <the academic world> <the digital world>

8: human society <withdraw from the world>

9: a part or section of the earth that is a separate independent unit

From the dictionary, we need to understand that 'world' do not necessarily mean whole earth. From the definition, World could mean distinctive part, group of people, a separate society or native....example, From the world he came from, cows are sacred....in that context, world is not whole earth but a society with distinctive culture and patterns.....from the statement, world is india. Same thing apply to John 3:16 to Jew and not whole earth. This is finalize with John 1:11 - He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Question: So who was this world officially that God so loved?

Isaiah 45:17 - But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

from the above Scripture, it didn't say the whole world shall be saved, it said Israel shall be saved, and shall not be ashamed nor confounded world, world, world, without end. World in that context is Israel. Same thing apply to John 3:16 as World in it mean Israel and not whole planet earth.

Backing up points : Psalm 111:9 - He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.

FYI: Because scripture says God only sent redemption unto his people, and Christ said in Matthew 15:24 - But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. So God sent his son into the world to save his people, so that they may have life and not die in their sins, so whosoever of Israel shall believe on Christ, shall live and not die, just as in Numbers 21:8 when the children of Israel had sinned, to forgive them of their sins, the Most High told Moses to lift up the serpent and set it upon a pole, so that everyone that is bitten, when they look upon it, they shall live. This is why - John 3:14 said - And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: Because Christ came to save his people and reunite them back with the Most High, so as an atonement for their sins, he had to be lifted up on pole, not a cross, so that Israel could be saved.

Matthew 1:21 - And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

FYI: Where in the scripture did it say God so loved the whole world that he sent his son to save it? Nowhere, Psalm 111:9 said he sent redemption unto his people, which Christ is the bearer of salvation, so therefore the angel told Mary she shall bring forth a son, for he shall save his people. Nothing about the world, so now you know you have been deceived Christ didn't come to save the world, he came to save Israel, they didn't put Israel in the scripture because they wanted the world to believe God chose everybody, instead of a certain people because they were jealous God chose Israel and not them.

So from John 3:16, world in that context is Jew or Israel. You still cant show me anywhere Jesus said whole earth.

macof: Yes I know that most stories tell us that Ooni is not a descendant of Oduduwa but he claims he is and seems to have a comprehensive and logical story to his defense. And he claims superiority over other Obas

But Alaafin of Ido(my village) is my king whom I would always pledge to. I know no Ooni of Ife but I have high respect for his throne as That is the same throne of Oduduwa.

Come to think of it, Oranmiyan is the king of Ife,Benin and Oyo. He set Oyo as the military and political capital of yorubaland and it stood for over 500 years until the Ilorin crises which saw Ibadan become the new capital. So if we are to place a vote on Alaafin Oyo or Ooni Ife, I am sure Alaafin would be victorious because of wat he has achieved and also being Oranmiyan's own state

I think the British have destroyed a lot of our traditions, Imagine Alake placed above Olowu(A descendant of Oduduwa).

Wow you from Ido? You people with pounded yam in a leaf wont kill person. I enjoy spending two days in that place.

I dont know if to call Ooni an Oba because from the story I heard, Ife is the spiritual home of Yoruba people. This is the place Oduduwa do daily rituals for spiritual back up to economic, political, and social balance in physical realm of Yoruba land. So calling Ooni custodian or caretaker far make sense. But since he lead too and that equates to been called king, I dont have problem with that. Oranmiyan created Oyo empire as a political and military base of Yoruba land. It was Eweka that became the first Oba of bini while Oranmiyan rule Oyo empire. From what I heard, Oyo empire was the strongest empire in Africa and expanded to the west far to republic of benin but wondering why they couldn't go east far beyond benin. But from another story I heard, Onisha people were primarily from Yorubaland. The story is kinda complicated.

What do you think could be the kingship relationship between bini and Ife if there wasn't any connection between them? The story of Oduduwa coming from Igodomigodo have traceable link than lamurudu from mecca and the foolish one Mr president was saying.

I know the britain have done real damage to our history and identity. The worse is Oduduwa son selling his birthright and identity for money, fame and loyalty to oppression who claim Oduduwa and Yoruba people are from Israel.....middle east.

macof: Bini under the new dynasty of Eweka's descendants were powerful warriors who could even match Ancient Oyo.

They controlled many lands after defeating the indigenes, eg. Akure, Akoko, Owo and Eko. They planned on reaching Ekiti but Ekiti requested for Oyo's protection, Oyo made Ekiti it's own colony. Benin couldn't afford to fight with Oyo for many logical reasons.


Oduduwa(the human) might be different from Oduduwa(the Orisha) but it was believed that the Orisha owned The human and had come to claim the throne. it was a fulfillment of prophecy.


I think u are mixing "Oyo" with "Ile-Ife"

Oranmiyan left Ife for Uselu(Igodomigodo capital) and left there in anger re-naming it Ile-Binu/Ile-Ibinu.
it was when Oranmiyan got back from bini, he created Oyo. So Benin and Ife are older than Oyo. Benin kings don't even recognize Oyo, it's Ife they cared about because that's the ancestral home of the Oba of Benin

Bini call "Ife"- "Uhe" meaning source and they pagan religion is so similar to Yoruba

Wow. This is classic bro. So you have this and kept it with you all this while? Adiye o kin je ifun ara won ke. Inu mi, inu e omo iya.

Really sorry about the mistake I made in my previous post. I wrote Orunmila instead of Oranmiyan.

From the history I had, Ooni is not a direct son or descendants of sixteen children of Oduduwa. And this has caused controversy between the Alaafin and Ooni over superiocity. From what I was told, after the death of Oduduwa his son, Oranmiyan was invited to take over the job of his father, which was primarily ritual, as well as leader of Ile Ife. Oranmiyan refused because he had succeeded in building an economically viable place at Oyo Ile with administratively sound method of government around the Oyomesi council in chief and it would be very degrading to leave and move to Ile Ife to be involved in ritual daily sacrifices exercises. In the light of that assumptions Oranmiyan gave conditions that he must be buried at Ife to symbolize his right to Ife leadership. Ooni the assistant to Oduduwa in the day-to-day ritual sacrifice exercise continued with Odua’s job while he continued with supervision from Oyo Ile. It was that condition Ooni the son of the foreign pregnant woman that was captured during Oro festival and dedicated to the gods who was assisting Oduduwa continued the work of Oduduwa at Ife. This is the reason why Alaafin of Oyo will never accept Ooni of Ife as a king or a superior in any Yoruba gathering of Obas. During the reign of Oduduwa, there was no proper and possibily political structure. That was what Ooni continued when Oranmiyan declined the call but Ooni status was raised by the britain just like Alake of Egba was raised.

If the son of Oranmiyan (Eweka) and his descendants according to history continue to respect tradition and be buried at Ife or received blessing before being crowned then we can conclude that Ife is superior to Benin.

From my points, Ife is what knot Yoruba and Edo (Igodomigodo as you call it) people together. But looking prior to the days of Oba in benin, there are Ogiso (meaning kings from the sky). From the history I heard, Oduduwa was the royal son of the last Ogiso which Yoruba people believe came from the sky (relative to the meaning of Ogiso). And also it is believe that Oduduwa was from the east....benin is the east of Ife.

macof: Foly u seem to make some errors
1. Eko indigenes are The Awori people who migrated from Ife during the Great expansion Era, their land was however controlled by bini for a long time before the British came to dispose Benin and make Eko(Lagos) their colony.

I am open to correction.

How can bini controll another terrain if

- they dont have relation with the people of the terrain.

- they do not own the terrain (without war)?

We are still on same thing.

2. Oduduwa was never thought by the Ife people to come from Igodomigodo(Edo's former name), they believed he was possessed by the Orisha who created dry land and as come to claim the Ife as his creation.

Sango is different from Ajaokuta you know? But Sango is use for Ajaokuta. Same thing with Oduduwa....the human is different from that of the creation character.
Yoruba believe Oduduwa came from the sky. Historical relation states that Ogiso means kings from the sky. Bini is the east of Oyo....iwo orun.

3. The Ooni of Ife would disagree with you, he claims that Oranmiyan went back to Ife after creating the Oyo-mesi made of his most trusted subjects to act as the very first parliamentary system in yorubaland. Oranmiyan had a son who became Ooni when he came of age

And where did Eweka the first king of bini came from?

Why do you think there is disagreements between Ooni and Alaafin?

Well from the history I heard, Orunmila created Oyo-mesi but withdrawed to continue rituals in Ife. The britain made priest from Ife king. They were never king from the beginning.

macof: Dude are high on dog poo?

He never said Yoruba as Bini origin
He only believes Oduduwa came from Benin, personal I don't because Oduduwa is still a mystery

Are u so daft to even think that if people originate from a place it makes that place Better than the new location

No. He thought Oduduwa didn't meet people in Oyo when he came. The ignorance and dishonesty of the guy is really serious.

If you want to know the history of Oduduwa, pls dont watch nollywood movie. There is one that said Oduduwa came from mecca. That is kinda corruption entertainment industry is doing to our culture.

The first Oba in bini was the son of Oranmiyan. In the olden days, Ife is a site when daily rituals are done so do not have specific king but people are living there. Until the britain came to install the then priest as king, the same way Alake was the king of Egba.

Oranmiyan was supposed to become king in Bini but decline that because he already took over Oduduwa rituals activities since the latter passed away. That is the reason bini kings head are sent to their father bossom in Ife till date.

Benin mean Ile-Ibinu. They have Oba today not Ogiso (kings from the sky). Still wondering how that mean bini supremacy. Mr president is smoking coke and hard cracks

Mr President: You're uncouth, untrained and dishonest.

1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

How does this translate to answering foolish questions generated from the darkest recess of a demonic brain?

You want to redefine what a question is? Chai.....I gave you the best upper cut. See butthurt lol.

I asked you simple question, I dont know why you running around the bush from it.

You nursed a notion of Bini supremacy over the Yoruba in your heart by your tracing your ancestry to Bini, your bubble is bursted! Unfortunately for you, when the truth reaches the world, you and your co-travellers in your revisionist history would have to accept, either that, you are Oduduwa's children-Lineage Israel, or you are gentiles.

Lol. How is the burying of bini king's head in Ife turn to supremacy? Do you know Eko (lagos) belong to bini people? Pls show us the historical relationship between Israel and Yoruba. Chai...dishonesty and insincerity patched with ignorance is deadly virus.

Maybe we need to redefine supremacy because you just pick words and use it without knowing the meaning.

And what exactly do you burst? Where is your historical facts that back your points? I have giving you connection in history, topography, culture and politics.

Oduduwa was the son of last Ogiso (meaning kings from the sky) so the yoruba through this believe Oduduwa was from the sky.

Bini is to the east of Oyo.

Ooni (the title after the king of Ife) came after a foreign pregnant woman was captured during Oro festival. She was spared because she was pregnant and dedicated to the gods and also helping aging Oduduwa in his shrine. Ooni means this one is spared. The reason there was a king in Ife was installing of the priest in Ife by britains. Original there are no kings there. This is the reason why the Alaafin wont accept Ooni as king or superior in gathering.

The son of Oranmiyan (Eweka) was the first Oba of bini.

Bini was called then Edo until it was changed to Ile Ibinu (town of anger).

Bini today have Oba....they have yoruba names. Pls how is this supremacy? You can be so foolish.

Odu means supreme!

Ignorance and stupidity display again.

If Odu mean supreme then Odu Ifa mean supreme Ifa. Smh. Also when yoruba priest ask what is the Odu that show in Ifa mean what is the supreme? Your failure is classical and epic. You might go to school but you worse than illiterates.

Odu mean Intelligence.

Orunmila is the spirit of Intelligence. Odu Ifa mean intelligent facet of Ifa corpus.

Your ignorance is alarming.

folake, Worshipper of wood and stone!

And you worship ruin of wall and Kabbalah. Mtchewwww have you been to Israel once? Abeg you cant know that.

You worship the god of hills, rocks and mountain. Here is the evidence https://www.nairaland.com/1508769/christians-god-idol-hills See pot calling kettle black. Stupidity of highest order. Lol

noblefada: As I said earlier, those ur post are too unintelligent to warrant a response from me, believe when I say ur post is mainly due to ur very limit knowledge of scriptures. But let me tell you this, no other Apostle wrote and reference Jesus Christ as much as apostle Paul did, in fact there is a trademark for Paul writtings that is absent in the book of Hebrews that is courting controversy about who author it, if you don't know google it and then come back let's continue.

lol....good good.

Show us what paul said that correlate with what Jesus said. I have shown you five contradictions that heavily corrupt Jesus teaching. I have shown you jesus prophecy charging you to stop following false teacher who deceive you with signs and wonders yet paul claimed to convince his people with signs and wonders. And you said I am unintelligent? Irony. Lol.

Show us in Jesus teaching that said Jesus died for whole human on earth. How is that hard for you?

wheesin: pagan 9ja athiest dont actually believe in gods or spirituality... so they are ur enemies and not ur friends

Enemy of my enemy is my best friend.

Reyginus: The worst discussion you can ever have is with a person who is already made up on what to consider.
You end up wasting your time and creating e-enemies for yourself.

You said it all. Lol.....

noblefada: Honestly I won't waste my time any more, if what your wrote above is your prove then I am totally disappointed.

You got nothing to offer again. Lmao.... I don die.

Bring another thing apart from Paul. Jesus was the so-called messiah not paul. Lets hear from him. I killed paul over and over again. And you cant dash me praise? Ma do like lizard, if you dont praise me, I praise myself. Lol.

Just tell us you running away cuz truth is scary and I wont hold you back. Or else, refute my argument if you got better thang to offer.

Mr President: Your problem is that you overestimate your intelligence. This isn't about you, this is far bigger than you. You are dishonest.

This is about the sincere seeker who will be directed here.

Proverbs 20:24
Man's goings are of the Lord; how can a man then understand his own way?

You are not a true Yoruba.

Just tell you are ignorance and a clown. I cant kick your balls after that.

1 peter 3:15 said you should answer questions directed at you. What you doing since is just dodging around and those you tried to answer got your back broken.

What is the meaning of Odu?

OP....the only problem you had which lead to your confusion is church.

You think church only mean place of worship? Nope bro.....there is this restaurant called church of boston. you can google it. Church mean place of gathering and not necessarily place of worship

jayriginal: No, I fail to see the difference.

Why can you not use your Kanoko to go to the US and give James Randi a ride in the very same Kanoko? According to you, all you need to do is press a button. Whats stopping you then?

If anyone is insincere here, its you.

That money is yours. Use the force (of Kanoko of course). #Rhymesglalore

Another insincerity with false accusation. Where did I claim to have kanako? Or is that Osanyin huh?

Mr President: I dont care what esu is, folake.

idolatry is the reason the Negro (Yoruba inclusive) is cursed by The Most High God.

Lemme give you a bone to chew folake

Ol\ODU\mare, ODU\duwa

2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

You dont want to know about Eshu, then accept your cant experience transformation. Yeah....we know you are puppet. Lol

Olodumare is different from Oduduwa. And do you know what Odu is? Oduduwa can be broken to Odu and dudu (black) and iwa (behaviour or character). Can you tell us what Odu is pls?

Another challenge o

MonsieurCoder: Gamer means someone who likes playing video games, A video game addict sought of, I am a gamer myself, you seem to be holding grudges against him. As for the old testament, he is in the best position to explain that.

Gamer mean he loves playing fool on people. Nigerian dictionary.

When your gal tells you she game you....then you are atm or bumboy.

MonsieurCoder: Nope, Just give me a benefit of doubt. I really want to see it.

Yes and I am trying to upload it. I am on nokia phone not computer. It will take time.

MonsieurCoder: Okay, i was joking when i said you were not an Atheist, No hard feelings bro, aManFromMars was obviously joking there, what he did was sarcasm, i am surprised you guys can't detect it.

PS: I am not even an Atheist.

And what is the meaning of Gamer in his signature? Who are the 'us' he was refering to in his Old testament argument?

rationalmind: Hahaha, its cos ure not familiar with him. He was just being sarcastic

Logicboy understand him than you think. He is called Judas for a reason. Do you see Gamer in his signature? Wtf do Old testament is meant for US mean? Who are the us pls?

MonsieurCoder: @FOLYKAZE can you upload those your videos to youtube? i and some people i know would really like to see them.

For you to say it was acted huh? Anyway I have been trying to get it on here but it getting tough for me. I will keep trying....just chill