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okeyxyz: From your reaction, it seems you are still living in the lies told by mainstream religion, media and culture of society. They use the word "occult" to scare us, make us believe that we are either diabolical or crazy when we practice or believe in occult phenomena. You need to free yourself from the herd control system of the majority. Occult and spirituality go hand in hand. A read through http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occult wouldn't hurt.

aManFromMars: Abeg, @Folly,

- What does folklore mean?
- How did I call my ancestors dumb in that statement? In fact, your 'evidence' proves that you were the one that accused my ancestors of being dumb. You expect me to refute that?

Don't worry, I'm sure I'm not gonna get any sort of reasonable reply or an admission that you were wrong. Deal with your stupidity and confusion yourself.

All the best.

wiegraf: Telekinesis meets babalawo...

Ubenedictus: he is afraid of the orishas. His version of ifa is too interesting to be true.

aManFromMars: Black man indeed has no hope. He MUST believe in something beyond this world, something that loves him and thinks about him, even if it's his dead ancestors or their Gods.

wiegraf: @Folly, I do not care about the specifics, I state that, yet here you are asking if I want the whole story. NO... Gaddem.... And do you know what a strawman is?

The point is very simple, pointed out to you by various people but it seems we'd have more luck getting across to baboons. If you accept supernatural explanations, then you are doing exactly the same thing all the other theists are doing. The exact.same.thing. Choose not to call whatever it is 'god', but they are the exact same thing; supernatural phenomena involved with the machinations of this universe.

You'd simply be cherry picking, nothing more, and accepting what's palpable to your sensibilities, but all your claims remain equally ridiculous. 'Invisible bullet proof belts' and 'faster than usein bolt' due to abracadabra are just as ridiculous, see? So claiming some sort of 'superiority' to other theists or claiming you aren't one is simply risible. Same shi.t as trinitarians mocking non-trinitatians, see?

Now, this is NOT what you have implied in the past, so you need to be clear here. You have held that your babalawo is privy to knowledge and methods that ('my dumb', see my sig) science cannot investigate. You've repeatedly refused to answer simple questions and shot yourself in the foot time and time again when faced with this. Anyways, if you accept that the supernatural simply is the natural that we are ignorant of then yes, no problems, you could qualify as an atheist. Otherwise, NO.

Also, considering what physics has to say on the issue, are you telling me that a babalawo killing some chikens enabling him to somehow contravene well known laws to make you bulletproof is a natural process?

italo: Can someone please tell me the meaning of the bold.

okeyxyz: Spirituality is the belief in phenomena and consciousness by methods outside of what is literally or scientifically reasonable. In other words: occult or paranormal phenomena. Spirituality is symbolism intensive, The basis of religions.

PAGAN 9JA:
[size=28pt]THE GODS ARE GREAT!


ALL PRAISE THE SUN GOD!


GIVER OF LIFE![/size]


https://www.love-egypt.com/images/sun-god.jpg

Logicboy03: We learn something new everyday. Keep on searching bro......


Atheists just believe in one less god than you.....other than that we are like you

aManFromMars: Waiting, bro.

aManFromMars:

Chi is whatever you want it to be. Been reading up on Odinani for a long time, and at first the similarities between Esu of Ifa and Ekwensu of Ifa was striking.

That being said, I still recognise it for what is -folklore, though it does strike some kind of resonance with me as it's a part of my ancestry. You, on the other hand, believe IFA has a lot to offer. No wahala. I have no qualms with that.

FOLYKAZE:

Come out with reasonable discussion. I dont believe in Ifa....i know it. Ode.

Whatever is folklore to you in your tradition will be folklore and will go extinct like folklore.

Ifa is not folklore, it body of knowledge. What is in Ifa is coded and symbolic. I dont curse the dark, I light the candle in it.

Your own ancestors were dumb.....they cant reason.....live with that.

aManFromMars: Why should I have any form of discourse with an unrepentant liar?

aManFromMars: Or you can stop being silly and go get a refund from your English teacher. Liar.

aManFromMars: Where did you get educated? In a prison cell? Do you know what folklore means?

@second bold: Just speechless. You really are a big fool and a waste of time. That's your evidence that I called my ancestors dumb? That's the evidence of the falsehood you've been repeating these past few days?

Maybe Ifa is making you dumb, really dumb.

PAGAN 9JA:
ok I thought you denied sacrifice.

Omexonomy: If by chance i decided to drop christianity then i will have no choice than to change to the religion of my ancestors.
Atheist are confuse people.

aManFromMars: Pls show me evidence that I insulted my ancestors in any of my posts.

Or are you going to be like some other dolt who loves to peddle unsubstantiated lies about my moniker?

PAGAN 9JA:
what the heck? No.

I meant to say Hinduism and Buddhism don't make fun of African religions. They were not even aware of its existence.

PAGAN 9JA:
All you said is fine, but the bolded doesn't make any sense.

Logicboy03: Look, our ancestors were barbaric to an extent but then, they had their own little civilizations with their pagan religions. Any Nigerian atheist that praises Asian religions like hinduism and buddhism then makes fun of African traditional religion is a fool. Taking foriegn religion over his own local one in order to look cool and educated

Logicboy03: Yes....what is the difference between a naturalistic pantheist and a spiritual atheist? not much....they both see the universe as some spiritual energy....

PAGAN 9JA:
Learning has its ups and downs. but dont give up bro.

Lol teach your papa some IFa.

I wish you luck. Get yourself initiate when you can.

PAGAN 9JA:
So you are now disregarding sacrifice in Ifa Orisha? LMAO!


YOU MUST BE A PROPHET.

PAGAN 9JA:
I think brother Folykase has successfully demonstrated how prophets of religion (jesus, moses, muhammad, Folykase,etc.) came into existence.

1)They don't go by pure SPirituality or experience. They go by theory.

2)They do away with aspects of ancient religion in practice, that they feel does not suit them or "their" modern standards.

3)They believe they have suceeded in creating a modern. new age religion.

Brother FOlykase, you are on the right track, but please dont just go by theory. Go by experience.

Ifa didnt tell Yoruba to do Egungun masquerade as well. But they still do it. I hope you get my drift.

Logicboy03: Guy....guy....guy


Look, the mysteries of the universe are enchanting and are also a very solid case for atheist spirituality.


Dawkins even said that there is much spirituality in science. This is because of the wonder of science; any advanced/new technology or discovery is like magic.

How do you think the first man on the moon felt when he stepped on the moon's surface for the first time? How do you feel when you see a meteor? What are your thoughts when you see our galaxies and all the heavenly bodies?

The wonder, the awe at the sheer size of the universe and the huge planetary bodies at play is beyond words.

Religion and science both ask the most interesting question human beings face- IS THERE SOMETHING OUT THERE?


The real spirituality is in science because it does the work to find out the answers while religion just claims that the answers prove that religion is true.

Logicboy03: Hypocrite. You started the whole nonsense but now you want to act "mature"


ode

nnofaith: what is the essence of sacrifice (ebo) in ifa "philosophy" then?

PAGAN 9JA:
Sir a final point. how the heck am I sposed to show you faith?! Faith is something that is experienced. have you seen Yorubas pray even?

I have told you before, Ifa doesnt go by statements. YOu are just going by the theory. these are not abrahamic faiths that are dictated by what is stated.

Are you trying to form your own version of Ifa? Are you the African prophet? THe black jesus?