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Wait Wait, Budaatum is a lady? Orisirisi!!!

The question asked is tricky. But let me try.

Firstly, the Hebrew statement up there mean 'no sculpture, no picture'. And you mentioned that Jesus, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel or Paul wrote about it. Everything they did wrote is an inspiration of God, as feasting on bread alone is tantamount to been malnourished. That is, even if they feed, they eat nothing. Even when they feel like fed, they are starved.

Isaiah 44:9 They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed

The bible verse above justified your statement in the OP that and as it grows one would know no mountain is high enough in all the world to see the whole world so you'd not go about creating graven images of God

Therefore, even if the pound is stored from birth, it amounts to foolishness before the Most High.

Most importantly, there is a saying that a fool at 40 is a fool forever. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God.

Job 5:13 He taketh the wise in their own craftiness: and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong.


That verse summed it up. It shows that every pound stored since birth by a 40yrs old man amounts to nothing. Even when he can store more than 10,000pounds, it amounts to nothing. More like eating bread and been starved.

The only substance that can satisfy a man is not is own stored pound of intelligence, but wisdom from God. For a property of Man is will perish but that of God will remain ever and ever. Solomon while been wise still asked for God's guidance in judgment, a wisdom from God to lead his people.

Proverbs 2:6-8 New King James Version (NKJV)
6. From His mouth come knowledge and understanding;
He stores up sound wisdom for the upright;
7. He is a shield to those who walk uprightly;
He guards the paths of justice,
8. And preserves the way of His saints.



Budaatum, the answer to the question that how much would be in the vault of a 40yrs old that saved a pound each month since birth, with the premises of your illustration which review the answer isn't mathematical, is ZERO/LOAD OF FOOLISHNESS.

Which of the fb pages? I no gree see any hacked Nigerian tribune hacked fb page

MuttleyLaff:
You sure sabi know how to drive a hard bargain
When una go come obodo jand next?

Oh well, jand should hold himself, make I dey my lane.

Bring up another question next week Sunday, I must win my voucher, don't care how many times I try

MuttleyLaff:
I am sorry consolation prize wasnt factored in

Wetin won cause that one?

No let us fight scatter every thing. I go chook you, chooke your bumbum join.

I gave you three answers, woke up in the middle of the night, had my my astra projection travle training behind and was battling with bible Passages. You no go con compensate my efforts? No try am.

Send my voucher before we carry matter go meet God

MuttleyLaff:
Congrats again, it couldnt have been a better winner. It was either you or FOLYKAZE, I thought would get the answer and win the prize.

Yeah, gained worthless things, which essentially at the end of the day is nothing

What the prize is, depends on what your location is, as in, where you're based
If I am able to personally deliver it, it'll be a bespoke table/bedside lamp, if not then the prize will be recharge card voucher details

Wetin second winner dey earn?

Better send me my share

MuttleyLaff:
Yes FOLY, Adam became a deity, as it were and so that's a fact and truth because man became god the moment soon after eating fruit, but aside from the reportedly gained morality, or the promised and/or guaranteed death, what other main thing, in one word and preferrably supported with a scriptural verse, really did Adam gain or get, from eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil?

Since you are asking what Adam alone gained, I think it should be Patriarch Gen 1:17

MuttleyLaff:
Aside from the reportedly gained morality, what other main thing, in one word and preferrably supported with a scriptural verse, really did Adam gain or get, from eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil?

Adam becomes deity

Morality

MrHeff:
there was a language barrier. He explained, but I don't understand yoruba quite well. I struggled to understand most parts

If you are opportune, simply return to the Baba (I advice visiting aged Babalawo) and inform him you don't understand Yoruba Language. He will call someone in to interpret in English. Or you can call your friend who understand both languages in, for proper interpretation.

Even as Ikale, who understands Yoruba fully, there are sometimes I don't understand when Babalawo speaks in parables and many esoteric languages. I simply ask him to explain what he/she mean in simple words. Sometimes, they use stories to explain themselves.

It is simple. Ifa wants you to know. You also paid for it. So until you understand everything, don't just go.

You should have asked your Babalawo to provide you detailed explanation of the verse. There is no way he wouldn't tell you what the verse implie nd applies to your condition

Anas09:
Just like you dey waka pass Christian threads?

Like this one shey?

Anas09:
Why am not surprised. A juju priest who wld always want to say something in Christian matters wants a Christian to leave Satanists alone.

Holy Ghost Fire.

What is Christian matter in divination?

Na you dey look for wetin no lost about. This isn't a christian thread so waka pass

Anas09:
In other words, you are a sorcerer or a Soothsayer, an enchanter who does divinations? A witch or wizard?

You want to openly market witchcraft.

If you no get wetin you won buy, waka pass make customer see stocks.

Oga OP, how do we start?

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EmperorHarry:
FOLYKAZE I'm impressed by how much mental energy you have stored up to keep replying the mentions even those that are the same.Anyways the major problem here is that you ask other people to show you things yet you cover your eyes with your hand..You asked two questions to which i gave a reply to,which were
1.What has religion done to aid development in Africa?
2.What has Christianity done to aid development in Africa?
Now, I based my points on just how much development was happening or had occurred in a civilization and how religious they were during that period hence my reference to Egypt and Greece. This was to show just how much religion can be insignificant when it comes to development.
I stated that Christianity catalyzed the development of certain countries in Africa or is it only Nigeria,Egypt,Morocco etc that are in Africa? You chose to understand it that way.Anyways formal education in Nigeria was historically introduced by the missionary schools during the colonial years.Till today FOLYKAZE,Twin children are still killed.
Is You blame Islam/Christianity for the actions of humans if its bad regardless of how much religious influence was involved in that action,so why can't you accept it's pros too regardless of the religious influence.You gainsay the developments that Christianity through colonials brought because of it's "origins" (which may have been introduced in a very religious country at the time) but fail to see that it has nothing to do with the initial question.Africa is not one or two countries.

A very insightful response you have up there.

It is important to note that this your response plays on emotion rather than the reality on ground. Another thing, it sent an indication of admission that religion has badly dealt with Africa and it is the corner yard for African backwardness. On another round, you want me focus more on the good sides/impacts of these religions (Christianity and Islam) in Africa development which I already argued there is none.

Even if I shift the premises of our discuss to only Nigeria, arguably, these religion have done more harm.

Fact is, actors should be blamed for their actions, not by the tools they used or what aided them. This is like saying trigger puller should be blamed instead of blaming gun. But, what of in the case the tool and aid beat the actor into submissiveness and make them do the act? In such case, we blame the tool and the aid. Here, the Christian missionaries, imperial colonialist, bible and their religion should be blame because Africans were left helpless.

The Islamic and Christian religion with their scriptures condone slavery, looting, infanticide and racial discrimination.

Employing the line of Rossikk, Christian missionaries primary mission is to enslave African, loot their resources without remorse and perpetually destroy everything that could make Africa rise in revenge. Preaching the gospel is secondarily as it has no significant impact on the people or returned their stolen wealth back to them.

A very good scenario is a car jacker who waylaid drivers at gun point, too away their cars and everything in it, then gave the drivers N50 to take motorcycle back home. EmperorHarry, let us be sincere, is the robber fair because he gave drivers tfare back home? Wouldn't you blame the robbery and robber for throwing the drivers into poverty? Let say tomorrow, the robber now have collection of cars and wealthy from his sales proceed, he hurl insults on driver he stole car from, telling the driver he is poor because he is primitive.

Colonial rulers and Christian imperialist stole trillions of dollar from Nigeria. Our resources were exported and returns used in developing London, refusing to build a interstate roads. The only rail transportation we had then connects hinterland to ports where they can easily export our resources. They didn't only stole our material resources, they took away our human resources into forceful labor where they ain't paid a dime or means of returning back home.

The only legacies they left is ample of religious centres and very few primary schools where people would learn A for Apple, B for Ball. Is that the best they give as a return to people they took trillions of wealth from?

They were here more than 200yrs but couldn't build a single university, road network, provide electricity or good hospitals. They gave us silly religions that makes our condition worse. A religion that asks people to keep their treasure in heaven, but white man can keep theirs in London. Wtf?

The same religion has cost the life of millions souls. Nigerian are been killed in the hand of Islamic Jihadists in the North, another set of rampage killers are cropping up in SE killing 100,000 babies in the name of 'not sparing the witch'.

Even when the whole world embrace atheism, there will be some violence that can cost lives. But when atheism or religion dictates that one should kill or enslave another person, then the religion should be blamed.

nelsonoba:



Incompetent attempts to defend your lies. Please review and rewrite this lame response to something more reasonable any logical person can reckon with.

Oh well the facts from me are undisputable.

Christianity has contributed nothing to Africa. In fact, it makes the situation worst, just like Islam. If you have contrary opinion, let me know.

MuttleyLaff:
FOLYKAZE, whilst you are busy behaving like a fireman frantically putting out fire all over the thread, like I earlier said, I know you're very well conversant with the bible, so I'll again ask and request that you look it up, find James 1:27 and then paste here in as many translations you fancy, for all to see and read, what James 1:27, says about religion please, hmm?

Muttley, you know me too well. That I was a christian, and have read the Bible for so many years, so there is nothing you can bamboozle me with in it.

James 1:27 speaks about Pure religion, been that which look after widow and orphans. Without opening the bible, I know what the verse said and understand what it meant.

Caring for widow and orphan is not a new thing. In fact, the culture in Africa already have same practice. So when you argue that it is an example of Christian constructions to Africa development, you are only committing fallacy because such is founded in Africa spirituality.

MuttleyLaff:
Let's find out and know what religion is, as in, find out and know what is religion that is true, pure and without any fault whatsoever FOLY. Go ahead please, let's have some research from the Bible thats talked about this particular and specified religion FOLY
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=80546343]

If you have any significant issues with with the verse, post the content here.

MuttleyLaff:
You were provided with what you asked for, the benefits, but you rather stamp on them and pooh pooh all over them, denying their benefits, what we enjoy from having their influence.

What did you enjoy abeg?

You enjoyed been enslaved
You enjoyed your history been derogated
You enjoy killing of infants by Christians, a legacy of Christianity.
You enjoyed been robbed off billions and granted penury (thief steal your 5m car but gave you 500 for tfare home, yet praise the theif?)
You enjoyed that your identity is been taken away and social value dead?

Ara mi o riri

MuttleyLaff:
You of all people should know when false religion is practised

This is not a discussion about true and false religion. It is about religion as a whole and its contribution to Africa development. Please stay focused.

I didn't ask you to write me epistes, simply to provide your points and back it up with reference. Shouting nd posting ten thousands word won't make you intelligent.

So, permit me to address the only points in your post

nelsonoba:
AFRICA WAS LOST IN DARKNESS AND IDOL WORSHIP, INCLUDING KILLING OF TWINS AND SELLING OF PEOPLE TO SLAVERY AND KILLING OF HUMANS TO 'APPEASE THE GODS'. ALL OF THAT WAS CHANGED BECAUSE PEOPLE WITH JUDEO-CHRISTIAN VALUES CAME DOWN TO AFRICA TO CHANGE IT!

Thanks for itemizing what you perceived as problems of Africa continent.

1. Worshipping God of their Land.
2. Killing of twins
3. Slavery
4. Human ritual.

While those problems you listed above are unfounded, you presume Christianity erodes it all. But how true is your claim...

1. The tenet of Christianity is to save JEW/ISRAELITES, known as Sheep. A rebranded form of Judaism meant for the people of Israel. Micah 4:5 stated that all people walk in the name of their God. If Africans chooses to walk in the name of their God, how is it anyone's problem? Fact is, accepting the religion of the Jew or Chinese won't make you Jew or Chinese. It only makes you lost. Maybe you can help, how did you conclude African spirituality is wrong? Because they told you?

2. Killing of Twins is legendary lie that has been retorted for so long. Where is your academic reference to this claim? Which part of the Ibibibio and Efik practice this custom? And where are documents that speaks about those saved? How did they faired?

Oh please, Twins in Yoruba custom are treasure, and they are been celebrated, revered and adored to the status of God. Read up about Orisa Ibeji.. That is the legacy of the Yoruba people on Twins which are well documented. So please present documents to buttress your point.

Less I forget, in the aspect of Infanticide, Christianity has done more harm than any good. Psalm 137:9, Isaiah 13:16 gave a clear instructions on how to handle infanticide. Unless your God doesn't embrace infanticide, why would he give instructions on how to do it?

On the historical sides, Pastors from many Churches in Southeast of Nigeria have killed more than 10,000 killed within few years. They are doing this in the name of 'not sparing a witch' as instructed by the bible. This is a well documented fact.

Therefore, twin killing as a culture of Efik and Ibibibio has not been substantiated, hence would be dropped. And fhe glaring evidences from the bible and act of Pastors in SE hve shown that Christianity is responsible for killing our children.

A case d solution becoming more problem.



3. Bible condone Slavery. There are many verses that speak in support of slavery. History also buttressed that were taken as a slave by Christian missionaries.

Academic documents revealed that many slaves were kept under a Christian masters. I can give a list of some of their names. These people did the job of forcing slaves to practice Christianity.

Sub Sahara trans Atlantic slave trade will be blamed heavily on your Religion.


4. Human sacrifice was practiced in Africa. However, Christianity is founded on the custom of Human sacrifice. Jesus killed himself to appease his father. Isn't Jesus human too?

Negativity doesn't clean off negativity. Christianity is guilty of the act, and in no way does it condemn such act.

With the four perceived problems you pointed out, there is nothing that shows that Christianity erode away any of the problem. It rather compounded it which is what we are talking about.

nelsonoba:
Yes, some Europeans came only to take the available resources from Africa, but there were many more who came to give to Africa, especially the christian missionaries! If Mary Slessor the missionary had not abandoned her comfort in Dundee, Scotland and hopped on a boat to Africa a day before her proposed wedding, They would have continued killing twins in Nigeria till God knows when.

You ade admitting Christianity was brought to steal our resources and enslaved our people. But you ain't seeing that as problem.

Quick note, I don't buy Mary Slessor garbage much like I don't buy mungo park propaganda.

I will appreciate documents that detail killing of twins before Mary arrived. How many of these twins did he save? Which school did she send them to? What particular group of Ibibibio and Efik hve this custom? Apart from the biography of Mary Slessor and that of his deputy, what other academia journal wrote about Killin of twins? What are the evidences, from Efik nd Ibibibio that this custom is true? Let me wait for your document before I move.

The only well documented atrocity ongoing in SE is the killing of more than 10,000 children who are been tagged witch. And do you know who handle the killings? CHURCH PASTORS. under the instruction of Bible.

nelsonoba:
If the missionary Europeans did not come to introduce education to us, people like you would have been sulking in darkness without ability to type lies in English. You probably would have even be used as a sacrifice to appease one of the stupid gods of African tradition when they get angry. But no! rather than be grateful that you have the priviledge of benefitting from the labour of Christian missionaries from over a century ago, you are here whinning in your ignorance. People like you would have been very good to use as sacrifice to the gods who reigned in Nigeria before Christian missionaries brought the good news and enlightenment to us

What we have here? Ignorance.

The first University in the whole world was built on the soil of Africa, 200yrs before Europe could built one. So tell me sir, who does Christian missionaries brought education when there is an already established university in Africa? Hmmmm

The first European missionaries in Africa established Christian schools in the late 15th century. That is 800yrs after the schools and educational centres in Africa were destroyed by the white missionaries. The spread of Christian missionary school was only witnessed in 19th century. That is 1300yrs after Africa owned her own University.

Lol.

You would have been right if you said Christian missionaries brought western education because Africa had their own formal educational system thousand of years before Christianity brought theirs.



Not to waste too much time, all your acclaimed contribution are propaganda and hogwash. So far, there i no contribution from Christianity to the development of Africa. Not even one contributions have been mentioned.

Thanks

CodeTemplar:
Stop the lies. Where all those imaginary edifices? You mean with all these technological advancement we couldn't resist few slave traders in our own back yard and religion is the difference. In fact the with mans religion is the one that brought all those advancement in ancient times.

What lie? You should rather stop displaying your ignorance. You havs no shame in your body.

Pyramid and sphinx is imaginary to you right? Foolish ignoramus.

Go and ask your white slave masters who stole artifacts, edifice and earthworks to their land and have them displayed in their muzeum.

EmperorHarry:
Formal Education which in itself is the foundation of most developments in Africa in the the modern ages.You've been mentioning developments that are considered archaic when compared to the development in world powers today at the time.Why were we colonised in the first place if we were at the same level of advancement as the British?

Another display of ignorance from pathetic ignoramus. The kind of education you guys have is really bad.

Formal education starts in Africa. The first university was built in Morocco, 200yrs before Italy could have one.

Everything that is been taught in formal schools have their root in Africa.

The pyramid in Egypt is one of the wonders of the world, not even your slave masters could achieve same feat today.

EmperorHarry:
Mary Slessor the woman who stopped the ignorant and barbaric killing of a twin in calabar which shows just how backward African traditions and beliefs were in certain parts of the continent even to this day.

Twins are sacred beings in Yoruba culture. Ever heard of Orisa Ibeji? They are held as a deity and enormously revered. Could this be the reason why Yoruba have the largest number of twin birth in the world? That is another topic.

And there is no truth that Mary Slessor stopped any twin killing among the Efik or Ibibibio. That is a stupid lies tell too much. With no academic documents to buttress this claim, it is another pathetic lies like that of Mungo park discovery rivee Niger which is known as Odo Oba before he was even born.

I pray, tell us what particular group kill twin in Efik? What is the name of te spirit that is believed to sleep with these women? What happened to do kids saved? Which school did they went to? How come Mary slessor adopted one and sold many others to slavery?

The fact needs to be straightened. Records have it that Pastors havd killed more than 10,000 kids in the Southern East of Nigeria, all in the name of not sparing the life of witches.

You came here lying against your culture when the truth is that Pentecostal churches in South East have the blood of 10,000 children washed up in the name of killing witch. Didnt your bible asked you kill witch?

The report is all over the place. Go and read things and see the true nature of your barbaric religion.

EmperorHarry:
Took the centralized powers from the chief priests and offered a open,free to all access to the one anybody wants to term as God.This paved the way for personal spirituality and relationship with what one calls God and not the dependency on some old dude(Stereotypical) that feels he only communicates with the gods and speaks it's mind without questioning from the masses.

What kind of nonsense is this?

Christianity has a mediator in person of Jesus. Same Christianity has shepherds who are known as Bishop, Pope, and pastors. How is this different from having dibias?

Your mind have been sold into slavery. In fact, you have lose your senses with no hope of having it back. Same you condemn Ancestor worshipping, and turnaround to whitewash Halloween. Tells a lot about degree of your mental enslavement.

EmperorHarry:
Democracy and modern day justice system.
Introduction of basic human rights which were restricted from masses by authority and elders.Females were given out to whomever her parents wished and children had arranged marriages with whomever their parents wished.Sold out for monetary gain or produce even in this day and age.Who am I to judge tho?

Another display of ignorance.

Democracy was founded in Greece 500yrs before Jesus was conceived. It has nothing to do with Christianity, nor there is a Bible verse that support democracy.

Bride price is a universal tradition. Even in the Jew, it is well practiced. Exodus 22:16-17 and Deuteronomy 22:28-29. No be inside your bible that one dey? I am getting sick of engaging you, nothing in your head. How much is bride price again in Yoruba culture, something that is not up to 2k is what idiot like you called selling of women. Na 2k she take chop before you see her marry?

EmperorHarry:
I can spend all day mentioning how Christianity through colonials catalyzed the development of certain African countries but colonialism isn't something one should be proud of.Mind you,Egypt was once a world power and a religious one with advancements in science,technology,medicine and education that are foundations of the science, technology,medicine,philosophy and education we see in the modern ages.Greece was once a religious country and before the time of Socrates which marked the dawn of modern day philosophy,they had developed remarkably.
I still don't why you would associate religion with progress or development.It is humans that use religion for the wrong reasons through personal and selfish interests.Every cause is subject to human influence whether good or bad ,religion included.You can't disassociate the human condition from religion and while there are folks who do good for religious reasons,there are those that do wrong for religious reasons within the same religion.
Stupidity and ignorance is a human condition we have to deal with in all spheres of life and you can't just erase it by attacking religion.I would agree with anyone that suggests that religion should be used to educate the masses through religious teachings and leadersbut then my question is just how many people are willing to ask,seek and find knowledge for themselves?.I attended a church where the preacher was talking about science even tho it had a religious undertone.The facial expressions I saw when I looked around made me was pathetic and proof of how apathetic people are towards knowledge and philosophy.The problem is much deeper than religion bruv.
I'll pull the brakes here cos I'm driving off the original purpose of this reply but I advice you don't look through shaded glasses when you can see through crystal clear lens.

Saying so much without saying anything.

MuttleyLaff:
FOLY, I know you're very well conversant with the bible, so I'll ask and request that you look it up James 1:27 and then paste here in as many translations you fancy, for all to see and read, what James 1:27, says about religion please, hmm? Let's find out and know what religion is, as in, find out and know what is religion that is true, pure and without any fault whatsoever FOLY. Go ahead please, let's have some research from the Bible thats talked about this particular and specified religion FOLY

Unless you can prove that Christianity brought something new, that Africa religion system do not preserve and take proper care of widows and orphans, then your bible verse will not be acceptable. However, the foreign religion brought nothing new. People down in Africa have always taken care of their helpless folks.

MuttleyLaff:
1/ The barbarous killing of twin babies and eating of human’s flesh among the Calabar people in Cross River state in the Eastern part of Naija stopped. Defying the customs (i.e.''aṣa-ilẹ'') and so therefore, the village chief’s decree, hundreds of baby twins abandoned in forests, were saved from death. This particular benefit of religion, came about, via Scottish missionary, Mary Slessor.

Twin babies are revered in Yoruba culture. Infact, they are been raised to the statue of God and worshipped in the society. In Yoruba culture, not even a witch is allowed to kill them. This is because they are sacred being in Yoruba culture. That for that.

The white lies that is spread about that Mary Slessor stopped the Killing of twins has to be stopped. It is a pure lie that have long been repeated which have almost become truth. Mary didn't stop sheez.

At the Marina Beach in Calabar, there is a Slave Museum - on the shores of Calabar. The Island of Mary Slessor's haven (where she kept the rescued twins) is visible from the shores. The Beach is infamous for warehousing thousands of kidnapped Africans before transporting them to slavery. The beach is Nigerian Eastern version of 'The Point of No Return.' And on that Beach was Mary Slessor's muster point. Have you ever asked yourself what happened to the hundred of twins Mary rescued? Did she send them back to their parents that forbade twins, or were the Twins taken to London and enrolled in the best schools to be groomed alongside with the children of the Lords? Obviously Nope, the part of her biography didn't note that. What are the names of these twin children? The hundreds of twins were saved from our fathers and waybilled to South Carolina in a Ship with mature slaves chained below the deck.

The lack of history in our schools would have revealed that white men history was heavily distorted and infested with white lies. There is no tribe in Nigeria that practice killing of twins. I have used Yoruba as a case study. And the so called saved twin were rather sold into slavery. Tell me that your definition of save is selling people to slavery.

Witch-branding is a relatively recent phenomenon in Nigeria. Its roots can be found in the rise of Pentecostalism in the 1990s.

http://theowp.org/reports/child-witch-branding-and-the-rise-of-pentecostalism-across-nigeria/

It is on record, that pastors in the Eastern Nigeria have killed hundred of thousands of accused children who are tagged as witch. This is happening in the center of Calabar where Mary Slessor is praise to have saved infant killings. The religion she brought, Christianity aided infanticide by branding little innocent children as with. Didn't your bible ask you to spare not the life of witch?

Christianity missioned by Mary Slessor didn't abolish twin killing. Infact, she sold them as slave instead of sending them to school. Not only that, Christianity condone killing with reports of wagon infanticide done in Churches by Pastors in accordance to the bible.

MuttleyLaff:
2/ Fighting against and/or opposing the sub Saharan Africa Atlantic slave trade, that culminated to the abolition of the sub Saharan Africa Atlantic slave trad, is another particular benefit of religion, which came about, via people like William Wilberforce dubbed the "Conscience of Parliament" and John Newton, himself, a former slave trader, and composer of the famous "Amazing Grace" song with the "I once was lost but now I'm found, was blind but now I see.'" lyrics

Do you have no shame? Sub saharan Africa slave trade start with Christian missionaries in accordance with the bible which support slavery.

MuttleyLaff:
3/ The African health landscape changed for the better, leading to an increase in the life expectancy of Africans, decline in child and maternal mortality rates. as the causes of mortality among infants and young children were reduced because missionary religious works often came with health care, health facilities, medical dimensions and training of Africans as medical auxiliaries.

Your ignorance stinks. Africa developed the first medical surgery. They treated diseases and illness by themselves before Europeans came. So what are you talking about here?

When Europeans were been killed around by small pox, the endemic was stopped by an African slave called Onesimus
https://www.history.com/news/smallpox-vaccine-onesimus-slave-cotton-mather

His master was a Christian.

WHO declared small pox eradicated in 1980s. The method the slave used was developed into vaccinations. Same method is been used today to fight virus infection. Using bacteria to kill bacteria, the whites are still studying it till tomorrow.

MuttleyLaff:
4/ The founding of the first schools that provided the ability to read and write and so Western education to Naija were by courtesy of Christian missions and their missionary religious works. For example, CMS Grammar School in Bariga, founded on 6 June 1859 by the Church Missionary Society, is the oldest secondary school in Nigeria. Methodist Boys' High School, formerly called Wesleyan Boys’ High School, located in Victoria Island, Lagos, founded 1878, and the second secondary school established in Nigeria. Igbobi College, Yaba Lagos, founded through collaboration of the Methodist Church Nigeria and the Anglican Communion in Nigeria, in 1932. Baptist Academy, Obanikoro,Yaba, established in 1855 by the American Baptist Missionaries. Eko Boys High School Lagos, founded 13 January 1913 by Rev. William Benjamin Euba, former principal of Methodist Boys High School, Lagos, for seventeen years before establishing Eko Boys High School. Queen’s College, one of the foremost Secondary Schools for girls education, established 1927. Saint Teresa’s College, Ibadan. Saint Annes School was established in 1869 by the Church Missionary Society (CMS). The school was established specifically for girls. It was initially called CMS Girls School and later became CMS Girls’ Seminary. Thus, it can be said to be the oldest girls’ school in Nigeria. It was, however, moved to its present site from Lagos and having been merged with Kudeti Girls School, Ibadan, it metamorphosed into St. Annes School in 1950. Hope Waddell Training Institution, Calabar, Cross River State, founded by missionaries from the United Presbyterian Church of Scotland in 1895. Nigeria's first primary school at Badagry, established by the Methodist mission in 1843, etcetera

Education existed in Africa long before the continent was colonized or even before the slave trade. Knowledge, skills and attitudes were passed from generation to generation mostly through word of mouth in the African societies. You should have simply used your google before embarrassing yourself.

The first university in the world is in Africa. According to Guinness record, the UNIVERSITY OF AL-KARAOUINE, was founded in 859 AD on the soil of Africa. Over 200yrs after, UNIVERSITY OF BOLOGNA, 1088 was founded in Italy. The first European missionaries in Africa established Christian schools in the late 15th century. That is 800yrs after the schools and educational centres in Africa were destroyed by the white missionaries. The spread of Christian missionary school was only witnessed in 19th century. That is 1300yrs after Africa owned her own University.

Mr Muttley, what significance is missionary schools that came 1,300yrs when education have been fully established in Africa? So, yes. Africa was self-contained, self-reliant. Africa had achieved everything important that the west hasn't, and might never achieve before they came and destroyed everything.

MuttleyLaff:
5/ Missionary religious works contributed towards eradication of the negative and harmful "Osu" caste system practices, which is an ancient practice in Igboland that discourages social interaction and marriage with a group of persons called "Osu," when translated from Igbo, Osu" means outcast

Has Igbo Castle system been completely eliminated? You should stop barefaced lies and distortion of facts.

MuttleyLaff:
6/ The English language brought by the missionary workers is now being used as the main language in Nigeria and the benefit is that it makes communication and interaction easier among the many and diverse ethnic groups in the country

They brought English language and have you lost your own mother tongue.

Is it that you have no shame MuttleyLaff?

Language is an identity of a people. It defines who they are and makes them communicate easily among themselves. This identity is been taken away from you and you are happy by it, counting it as White achievement. Do you have any atom of shame in you?

The indigenous language of Igbo people is fast dying, no thanks to English Language. In 100yrs from now, it sill be completely dead. And you are happy with that?

MuttleyLaff:
7/ We benefited from the orthography of indigenous languages in the country efforts of missionary workers, the likes of Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther etcetera

The Yoruba Bible version is a product from a slave who doesn't understand the language of his people as he was taken away at a very young age, somewhere around 10yrs old. That is why the Yoruba Bible is loaded with so much errors like Esu been called Satan.

You call this achievement? Seriously?

MuttleyLaff:
/ Produced elites who were equipped to fight the political system and lead the nationalist struggle for the country's independence

Africa devised a political system in a Empire thousands of years before Europeans could witnessed such.

Egypt 4500BCE-100AD, Kush 1000 BCE - 350CE, Axum. 500-1000CE, Kilwa. 800-1840CE, Benin. 1200-1897CE, Ghana. 300-900C and Songhai 1400-1500s CE, most of Europe was a jungle, waiting to be populated.

The political system in the Oyo Empire has never been witnessed in the history of any Europe nations.

The white missionaries only came to destroy these beautiful systems. They tempered with the peace, set nations against nation, and to make it worse, keep entirely different folks together as a nation which cost us national disunity we witnessed today.

In the words of Chinua Achebe, the Europeans ‘put a knife on everything that held us together, and we fell apart’.

MuttleyLaff:
9/ The emergence of African-initiated church (AIC) which is church independently started in Africa by Africans (e.g. RCCG, Christ Embassy, Winners Chapel, Deeper Life, Celestial Church of Christ, Cherubim and Seraphim Aladura) created opportunities to head and lead a religious group

Spread of propaganda, gullibility and intolerance. Erratically depletion of Africa religion system by tagging it evil and forcing people to embrace their own religion which they barely believe in.

And you call this achievement?

MuttleyLaff:
10/ Benefited from the foundational roles put in to build in the country, civil people with civil behaviour and in a civil society.

Homosexuality, rampart divorce, disregard of Elders, terrorism and racism is what you call civility. Well done sir.

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The ‘civilized’ Europeans tried to civilize this ‘uncivilized’ man from the Congo by killing his ‘uncivilized’ child and presenting him with the feet. His crime? He did not hit the day’s target of work set by the ‘civilized’ Europeans (Belgians) under the forced labor policy in Africa.

That is your definition of civility.

Civility according to you brought us a marriage system that produced single mothers and broken home ever known in history.

Thanks

MuttleyLaff:
I have already attended to this request and given the answers above to it

That is pure hogwash you have up there. All the things you called achievements are pure lies, distorted facts and bogus gifts that meant nothing to someone that had already achieved lot all by himself.

Europe and Christianity condone slavery. More than 11 millions were kidnapped and sold into the plantations where they never returned. Many years before Liberals fought against slavery, Ashanti queen Yaa Asantewaa led the war in 1901 to stop the barbaric sales of human. Christianity brought the evil of slavery on us.

Education and health care were here before the white people came. It is on record that Africa practice surgery without modern tools. They knew the body system and how to heal defections. Many of our medicines were saved the ravaged Europe when they were plagued with small pox.

Therefore, all the greek gift you called achievements are whitewashed and complete nonsense to someone that is already developed on his own. You have failed to present any tangible thing sire!

orisa37:
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Foly. I no yarn opata and I no mad. Na Prophesy you de hear so.

Tell me what development pass thou shall not bleep my wife behind me, thou shall not thief my ego which Africans were doing wrecklessly and dying for before Oyinbo brought the 10 laws?

I will dignify you with response, not because you are making sense.

Africa has a legal system before the Europeans came. And those who act contrary to the law are been sent to prison called 'tubu' in Yoruba.

For example, have you ever heard of this phrase, epe ni p'ole? That is a Yoruba law that negates stealing.

The culture abolish raping, divorce and fornication. It is Christianity that brought concept of single man and single woman, not considering that women overpopulate men by ratio 3:1. The barbaric single marriage cost America that largest broken home through divorces. Such wasn't happening here before until your barbaric religion came. We are now have rampart divorce and growing number of single mothers.

Have you heard a report that Babalawo raped someone? Or slept with another Awo wife? Such is abomination and can cost the culprit his life. Ewo!. Raping and sexual misconduct is rampart in Christianity and Islam. It is you guys forcing little children into marriage, it is also you guys raping church members. Na only you?

Need not to forget the homosexuality practise came with Christianity. It is alien to our culture. No thanks to Christianity that re determined to force homosexuality on us.

Christianity and Islam have only brought evil to Africa. And should be totally scrapped because it is not our own. African should return to their original root

CodeTemplar:
How was Africa before Christianity? More developed or less developed? Can you separate Christianity from these changes? Answer those and you have your answers.

Can you see how delusional you are?

Before Christianity, Africa built the sphinx and Pyramid.

Before Christianity, the first civilization in the world was witnessed in Africa.

Before Christianity, the Efik invented a writing system, one of the oldest in the world.

Before Christianity, the Benin Empire had a wall with size larger than that of China. The street of Benin had street lamp, interlocked streets and urban setting. This is the period European were living in cave.

Before Christianity, the Ifa spiritual system brought about many medicines that have helped in saving lives. Cotton Mather who introduced small-pox inoculation in the West learnt it from a slave named Onesimus . https://www.history.com/news/smallpox-vaccine-onesimus-slave-cotton-mather

The binary coding is an invention of Orunmila, long before computer was invented.
http://ancientblackhistory..com/2016/06/ifa-divination-computer-science-256-odus.html?m=1
Fractal geometry, the binary system, were used in Africa before the West got a conception of them. In fact, scholars thought they had reached the epitome of mathematical thought before they were introduced to fractal geometry in Africa.

The modern science, mathematics, architecture, astronomy, chemistry and lot of subjects have it root in Africa, where people across the world come to learn. Reverse is the case since knowledge has been completely destroyed by Christianity and Islam.
Pythagorus, Aristotle, Piccasso, were all beneficiaries of African innovation.

In the 14th century, the West African empire of Mali was larger than Western Europe and reputed to be one of the richest economy in the world, shadowing Europe and Asia. When the emperor of Mali, Mansa Musa visited Cairo in 1324, it was said that he took so much gold with him that its price fell dramatically and had not recovered its value even 12 years later.

The empire of Songhay was known, among other things, for the university of Sankore based in Timbuktu. When the world lives in darkness, Africa own and built University where researches were been carried out. In fact, the biggest Library in the world was in Egypt and got destroyed by demonic Islamic and Christians mofos.

The Dogons of Mali understood astrology before any modern astrologer. They have detail of sirius B and knew this without any sophisticated tool.

Therefore I can say that before the advent of Christianity, Africa is well developed and organised. And it is Islam and Christianity that brought us into this backwardness.

I can go on and on listing the advancement and development of Africa by their own self. The political sophistication and stability. And I can list hundreds of invention ranging from health, surgical treatment, technology, architecture achievements, structural engineering which all stem from African spirituality. Can you tell us the medicine for headache in Christianity? There is none.

Now I have answered you. Can you now tell us how Christianity has contributed to the development of Africa?

CodeTemplar:
You should have come out early to attack Christianity instead of first hiding behind religion.
The guy gave a robust response as against your own that's bereft of logic but filled with hate for Christianity. Have you seen any demonized soul attacking Islam before ? Always Christianity. Why? Christians aren't the most the most backwards or poor but you used them to represent religion out of hatred.

Save us all your rants and simply tell us how CHRISTIANITY HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFRICA

orisa37:
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Read The Ten Commandments in the Bible. They are Ten Developments Religion has contributed to Africa.

This one is mad.

nelsonoba:
While you're there sulking about Jesus your creator you refuse to acknowledge, you may want to watch this little clip about the moon landing. In case you are not aware, THE FIRST LIQUID IN HISTORY OF HUMANITY TO EVER TOUCH THE MOON WAS HOLY COMMUNION WINE, POURED BY BUZZ ALDRIN, THE SECOND MAN TO STEP ON THE MOON, WHO HAPPENED TO BE A STRONG BELIEVER IN JESUS, AND TOOK HOLY COMMUNION FROM EARTH TO THE MOON BECAUSE HE KNEW HE WOULD MISS CHURCH SERVICE ON THAT SUNDAY WHEN THEY WOULD BE N THE MOON, AND HE DIDN'T WANT TO MISS OUT ENTIRELY.

This is you jumping all around because a supposed Christian is among the team of astronauts in manned mission to the moon. And, that he smuggled holy communion and some bible verse note in his pack. I will like to ask, does this make the mission a religious one.

Could you tell us the religion Neil Armstrong belong to? And did he partook in sharing communion?

Can you show us Bible verse that contain instructions on how to build rocket, launch it and orderly fire it way on mars and back?

And lastly, how has your religion contributed to space science?

This is what you should tell us instead of throwing tantrum about how one of the Astronauts is a christian. Does Christianity teaches us how to build rockets and fly to the moon? Show us the bible verses or from Jesus teaching that explicitly detail how to fly to the moon.

nelsonoba:
So, a strong believer in Jesus has gone to the moon and come back, and he still believes in God, but you that hasn't stepped beyond the atmosphere think you now know too much that you can afford to talk anyhow just because you have freedom of speech?

Mr, the mission is a development of science, and all it success would be attributed to science, not religion.

You still can't show us the contributions of Christianity to the mission success

nelsonoba:
FACTS:

1) Most Advanced country in the world: United States of America

Japan came first in technological advancement before USA. In Japan, religion is mostly Buddhism which doesn't recognise God/god

nelsonoba:
2) President of United States of America: A Christian Billionaire

Sayeth who? Who told you he is a christian? Na which church he dey go?

nelsonoba:
3) Vice President of United States of America: A Devout Christian who speaks in tongues

How has that benefitted humanity as a whole? And what contribution does that add to Africa? You retort America this, America that forgetting the topic is about Africa. How does America Vice-president been a christian of any benefit to Africa? Has Malaria, HIV and measles stopped battling little children and women since he became elected?

nelsonoba:
4) Economy of The United States of America: Excess of $20.5trillion. Largest Economy in the world. Larger than economies of ALL countries in Europe combined.

You keep rambling about America this and that while the topic is about Africa.

Need I tell you sir! According to International Momentary Fund, the largest economy by PPP GDP in 2019 is CHINA. US you keep shouting came second.

Note, in China, they are tearing down churches and mosques, and total annihilating religion, yet doing better than whole Africa that embraces religion.

nelsonoba:
5) Most Feared Military in the world: United States Armed Forces

How does this junk benefit Africa?

nelsonoba:
6) Only Country to put man on the moon: United States of America

China has gone to the farthest part of the moon where no one has reached before. Again, how has this benefitted Africa?

nelsonoba:
7) Country that invented the Aeroplane: United States of America. Year-1903 by The Wright Brothers, two sons of a Christian Reverend

And they built plane by reading bible or by conducting scientific research?

nelsonoba:
8 ) Country with the highest number of Billionaires and millionaires in the world: United States of America

Says who?

nelsonoba:
9) Country with the highest number of A-rated Universities in the world: United States of America

They have the highest numbers of homosexuals. That is their problem, the topic is Africa not America.

nelsonoba:
10) Country with the highest number of Evangelical Christians in the Western world: United States of America; Christian population more than twice christian population in Nigeria

And they have highest gun violence than anywhere in the world. How has the number of Christians been of benefit to Africa?

nelsonoba:
11) Percentage of Americans who believe in God(even if not all christians): Over 70%

Belief in God isn't same as religious. Many believe in God and do not subscribe to any religion.

nelsonoba:
European Union(28 Countries in Europe)
1) Population who believe in God: Less than 30%
2) Combined economy of All countries: $19trillion (economy of these 28 European countries combined, still less than America's GDP)

Chinese do not believe in God but America still borrow from them. Not so?

nelsonoba:
Can you remind me again how you mean christianity is responsible for backwardness of a society? Because I am not understanding what planet you come from

So far so good, you have not shown us how Religion has really helped Africa to prosper. That is the bone of contention here sir.

The only thing you have succeeded doing is exposing your shallowness. I seriously don't know where to start with engagement with you. Is it with the balderdash that America is a Christian state or that you significantly do not know that the subject of discussion here is Africa and the dent religion has done to it.

You were all over, rambling and winning like a chicken that lost its head, moving in no direction.

Well, first and first. USA is not a Christian nation. In fact, they are one of the nations of the world with the jurisprudential concept for the separation of church and state. Conceptually, this refers to making USA a secular state, and disestablishment of any relationship previously between the church and the state. As such, in theory, America is not a Christian nation like you claimed.

The most important issue, which should be discussed is the contributions of religion to Africa as a whole. I have expected you to furnish us with ten benefits of your religion to humanity, esp Africa. The continent is meant to be the light of the world. It becomes the shadow of itself after the adventure of foreign religions.

Do you want me to show you how your religion destroyed Africa? It does it with the teaching of the bible.

Every turn in Nigeria, there is terrorism and so many social vices. No thanks to Islam... And no thanks to Christianity too. Both religion fester on division, hatred, intolerance and dissociation from peace.

With Islam and Christianity, morality and upstanding is dead. If it is not Imam adopting and forcing 9yrs girl into marriage, it is Pastor and Bishop involving in Sex scandal. Act that is unafrican.


The continent is going south because Christianity and Islam discriminate against knowledge. We have more churches and mosques than schools and religion centres in every street. People now value religion more than education.

The churches and mosques refuse to open their financial book, a callous way of preventing exposure of their frauds. And malicious means of avoiding payment of tax to the state which could be channelled into development.

The advent of Islam and Christianity have made many forget their history, heritage and cultural background. That is why a pathetic fella like nelsonoba can speak more about America, Jesus and Israel, way more than his own history. He is lost and lack directions.

Most religion countries have witnessed more violence, killings and public unrest. With very little of this experienced in lesser religiously populated nation.
https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2017-08690-001

The GDP of countries generally correlates negatively with their religiosity, i.e. the wealthier a population is the more secular it is. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/41573799_Religion_and_Economic_Growth_Across_Countries

Gallup surveys, for example, have found that the world's poorest countries are consistently the most religious, perhaps because religion plays a more functional role (helping people cope) in poorer nations. https://news.gallup.com/poll/142727/religiosity-highest-world-poorest-nations.aspx

Another statistics reveal that those who are religious tend to have less intelligence and analytical skills when compared to non religious folks.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23921675/

The dreadful evil from Islam and Christianity is the enslavement of black people. Afterall, their scripture support it. It was in the past black folks are been captured and sold into slavery, now you folks are perpetual mental slave of the Jew. You abolish your origin and worship their God. What can be worse than slavery?
https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/applied-and-social-sciences-magazines/religion-and-slavery


These are ten problems religion infested on Africa, with the symptoms on other nations of the world. Can you disprove and deny these problems? Also tell us how religion, esp Christianity has contributed to human development. How has Christianity benefitted Africa positively.

Thanks

Righteousness89:
If Talking About JESUS CHRIST the Creator of the Men you are Watching going to the Moon is Backwardness.... I'll gladly take it..

Don't Pretend that you Don't know that The Creator of the Inventor of the phone is GOD...

Don't Pretend that you don't know that There will be no Men to Go to The Moon if GOD did not create the Men and the Moon...

Don't Pretend that you don't Know need JESUS CHRIST

Jesus, creator of men? Weti Musa no go see for gate.

Your gullibility stinks to high heaven

Righteousness89:
Accept JESUS So you will Have PEACE my Brother....

Life is not by Struggle... its A Gift From GOD..

Give HIM your Life... HE Loves you

I just finished watching a documentary on Man mission to Mars. This is what the world is talking about, the race after US won that of the moon by putting Armstrong on it. However, my backward thinking brother is thinking about Jesus that died 2000 yrs ago. And someone says Religion isn't a problem.

Righteousness89, the phone you using, the keyboard you are using, the platform, the internet connectivity and everything that put you on this forum is an invention of someone that thinks. If those people were thinking about dead jew called jesus, they wouldn't have built anything.

Grow up toad! Leave Jesus and the figment of your imagination called heaven. And make your world a better place

Righteousness89:
The End will Tell...

These your Words will Be played back for you over there.. then you will plead for a Second Chance but will be tooo late..

ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST Bro,,

JESUS CHRIST Has paid the Price for you..

Don't Waste your Life

You wey don accept Jesus into your life, why can't you just kill yourself and join Jesus in heaven instead of living a miserable life in abject poverty and hopelessness here on earth?

See him talking yadayada about PLAY BACK in heaven like Jesus bought some DVD and Television from Chinese atheists.

MuttleyLaff:
FOLY, my guy, doing a knee jerk reflex and scattering everything in sight, as if like a bull let loose in a chin shop.

Sin "Hebraically" speaking means missing the mark, like, missing the mark, as in, missing the centre of shooting at a bullseye target. Now the $64,000 question to be asked is whose bullseye target is being missed here.

So Righteousness89 that the problem of the world is sin and not religion, EmperorHarry, rightly noted how some are making and taking religion as an excuse. orisa37 and desiredhome are not fooled

PS: I'll find time sooner or later, to revisit that suicide convo we were having. OK?

I been dey think say you don kpain o. Sniper no dey ur side? Seriously, I do not wish you death but trying to show you the fallacy in the concept of Heaven with that line of argument.

That aside, Ogbeni, you are now becoming more of Emperor Musiwa. Na simple question I dey ask you wey you dey yarn opata.

Tell us how religion has benefited human.

Tell us 10 contributions of religion to Africa.

What are the contributions of religion to human development and growth?

Righteousness89:
A lot of you guys feel u Have knowledge but it's sheer folly..

There is No Earth Without GOD.. No Human will be on Earth if GOD did not Create.

The Problem of the Earth Orginated from Man Going Against GOD'S Command.

Going Against GOD is Sin

And that is The Problem of the Earth Today..

Nothing else but SIN..

You are only retorting the junk they fed you with in your church. It is very important to note that many people across the world do not believe in your Christianity garbage, and they are fairing than you do.

For your info sir, China does not have the concept of God. In North Korea, there are more folks there who do not believe in God. In the world as a whole, there are significant number of people who do not belong to any religion or in God. Religions like Buddhism and Jainism do not have concept of God. So keep that nonsense to yourself.

The concept of sin is the product of religion. Without religion, there will be nothing like Sin. Since you agreed that sin is the problem, we can arguably assume that religion is the problem. I don't need to go back and forth to explain simple logic to you.

desiredhome:
What do you mean? Who is the person displaying ignorant here, it's only in Africa/Nigeria that religion have become source of income/profit making venture and instead of solving problems have increased the problem.

Everything have a law governing it, when you disobey/abuse the law you have the consequence, even the world we are living have it law, the law of nature(seed times and harvest time).
The Indian have their religion, Dubai has it's religion and so on.......
Christianity is a good practice but the black man due to greed and ignorant (Black man with slave mentality) have turned it to something else.
How many of the churches today can know or can recite the ten commandments as God instructed?

Mr/Ma'am, you are still blabbing instead of addressing the issue at hand. The question been thrown at y'all is simple and straight forward. Instead of answering, you resorted into balderdash.

Do I need to repeat myself? Ok let me ask you again in case you missed the initial question. HOW HAS RELIGION CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFRICA? WHAT IS THE CONTRIBUTION OF RELIGION TO HUMAN GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT?

LIST TEN WAYS THROUGH WHICH RELIGION HAS BENEFITTED US AS HUMAN AND NATION.

While you submit your answers in your next response, I will like you to note that legal system has nothing to do with religiosity... The countries you listed have a strong legal system which existence is not founded on the basic of religion but culture and moral upstanding.

I do not need to recite the ten commandment before I could know that killing is bad. It is in the same bible where God instructed his followers to kill people. No be so? It is in the same religion we now have suicide bombers and maniacs who fly planes into buildings.

The problem of Africa today is deep rooted in religion. Unless we remove religion and focus on relevant issues, we ain't going nowhere