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Thanks OP for the well detailed and articulate write up. Many damages was done by GEJ and his goons in the past years before the emergence of PMB. However, we acknowledge Buhari is trying to revamp the economy, curtain insurgency and cripple corruption. But he seriously does need to do more by increasing his tempo

Guestlander:
For many of Buhari's critics none of these ever happened. Even if it did, Buhari should have used the magic wand he got on inauguration day to conjure up more dollars and set everything right by now.

One lost soul is seeking for wonder as if Buhari claimed he is a Divine being that can perform Magic.

madridguy:
Good analysis by fellow Buharist OP.

My contribution is that Sai Baba was brought in to power as a substitute just like a football player to replace GEJ and we expect wonders from him.
Nigerians knew the damage and havoc the satanic party has caused, reason we booted them out, so we want more from PMB.

To Whom Much is Given, Much Is Expected.

Sai Baba we need the CHANGE we massively vote for.

madridguy:
Good analysis by fellow Buharist OP.

My contribution is that Sai Baba was brought in to power as a substitute just like a football player to replace GEJ and we expect wonders from him.
Nigerians knew the damage and havoc the satanic party has caused, reason we booted them out, so we want more from PMB.

To Whom Much is Given, Much Is Expected.

Sai Baba we need the CHANGE we massively vote for.

You want Buhari to perform Wonders. Is he a Magician or a kind of divine creature?

Where and when did Buhari made promises on the list? Can you us verified link containing quotes of that promise? I now see why people see you guys as a joke.

Buhari madd threee promises. He repeated this in Nigeria and even in Chatham house in London. His promises cover Economy recovery, tackling security and fighting corruption. He never at once speak on the garbage you listed above.

I think PDP should employ brilliant minds to help them handle media opposition. You guys are just dumb

Atk1nson:
You made some valid point but you've got most of your facts wrong. President salary is wholly tax exempt (schedule 3 of the Personal Income Tax Act). Also the issue of expenditure made during President's last prolonged foreign treatment raises valid questions about what he is being paid and if those expense were covered by his HMO or if they just decided to dip their hands into the national treasury and pay themselves what they deem fit.

Also contributions to churches and mosques in the UK are tax exempt. It's the salaries paid to religious workers that are taxable (including pastor's and imans). Also business ventures run by religiuos bodies are wholly taxable. The same is applicable in Nigeria.

Unfortunately in Nigeria, most religious bodies are not transparent about what they make or how they spend it, hence taxation in practice is difficult. The government must force these religious bodies to come clean in compliance with the existing laws of the land. No new law is needed.

GBAM.

No need to argue further. And thanks for educating on President tax exemption clause

Gotohellosewa:
My dear FOLLYKRAZE (what a name by the way. Why'd you choose it? )

It seems you could do with a few basic lessons on the confusion which this church taxation nonsense will create.

First of all, churches who operate businesses ALREADY pay taxes. Asking them to pay additional taxes will be unfair and unconstitutional.This new proposal is just nebulous and vaguely worded. Politicians are always vague when they are up to mischief.

Secondly, how does one actually assess taxing "church activities" , which is what this plan seems to imply? Will tax assessors from FIRS sit down in church services to monitor which activity should be taxed and which ones should be exempted? Will churches be entitled to tax breaks like other taxed entities? If so, what is a church expected to do in order to earn a tax break? Should they show themselves to be pro Buhari/APC?

Maybe you should actually devote yourself to grovelling before your Orishas and leave these issues to those of us with the required amount of grey matter needed to solve this problem.

I will never bring myself down so low and indulge in name calling or ticking toward personal insult. Let me address your submission.

1. Churches sell products just like cooperation and industries. But unlike industry, they are tax exempted. On the principle of equality, that is unfair toward industries that pay tax.

2. Churches keep record of their flow of income and expenses. I was a member of church workers and we keep records then. We record every penny spent on fueling Gen, repair electronics, buy refreshment for frstive and the likes. We also record the income in form of sales of books, miracle handkerchief and tithe. We also send report to zones which goes to headquarter on monthly basis. FIRS can get these records and calculate their tax from it.

GGirll:
Why is it paining you so much to the extent of asking stupid questions? Anything about d church of Christ all ye wicked cursed souls will jump out but your imams are busy skull mining and killing for rituals non of stone heads will come out n spew rubbish...no matter what ye do just know that you gates of he'll can never n will never prevail against d church of Christ ..spits!

The topic says Church and Mosques?

Why are you pained because I support LASG?

erico2k2:
Did you pay tax as church worker ?
Besides weather they function as charity or not.that's what they are registered as.so unless that part of the law o's changed nothing will change .

Nope. We were not been paid then. The work is voluntary. But it is fact that we keep records of income and expenses.

The law has to change. It is taking a gradual process though

OversightTM:
Are you a member of the House? Last I checked, the topic of discourse is enforcing land use charge/tax on churches and mosques; this is in complete dissonance with the gavel you've been wielding since morning.

The law has to take on churches somehow from somewhere. Long before now, churches are exempted from paying levies on land use. Today, they must pay. Tomorrow, the law could crawl on taxing religion materials in churches.

OBAGADAFFI:
State can only collect PAYEE and most Churches (Pastors and Worker) pay their PAYEE to the state government.

For Limited Liability companies owned by churches, they pay corporate tax to FIRS.

But donation and offering giving to Churches are classified as Charity., they wont be taxed.

Tithe and offering is not the only money made by churches.

They sell miracle water and handerkerchief. Does that translate to donation too?

Churches sell calenders, stickers, pastors written books, audio and video cassette. They make money from every available means. All these to a reasonable end should be taxed.

shekauvsbuhari:
you are just ranting out of aroused emotions. I am talking from point of law and objectivity. If you have evidence of infractions, forward them to the authorities. I also want u 2 kno that the op has been misleading u guys to engage in a futile argument. If u read the post u would see dt lasg was not planning to tax church n mosque. I ve told u what they want to do and areas where church can pay tax. If u want to continue to rant, go ahead. Its like de churches are the reason u re not fulfilled yet.de govt dt couldnt develope with trillions of oil dollars, na de kobo kobo from church go do them. U just dont like de churches.

None of the questions asked has been answered.

Do churches now operate as like a charity or not?

If they are registered as charity but do not operate as such, the law can be amended to arrest any anomalies and deciet playing out in the church.

Secondly, you admited that tithes and offering funds are been abused and mismanaged. In that case, the tax law should be extended to the church because it has derailed from the purpose od establishment.

I have long support that Government should check financial books of church and also tax them heavily except they channel all received fund on social development.

OversightTM:
Are you the one not seeing churches as charity organizations or the government. You may go ahead to re-write the frigging constitution if you can...

Lagos State Government is likely seeing them as business organization

Dollyak:
Considering income tax from donations constitutes the largest percentage of church income, I find it disingenuous of you to lump it together with business sales.
Lagos state wants to tax both income and sales tax which is wrong IMO.

If the donation are tunneled into Pastors pocket and not back to the public, it should be taxed.

I respect your opinion

erico2k2:
Hard to charge churches and Mosque to pay Tax reason being they are charities registered plus they ha e no profit record . They are not termed biz however workers of churches are meant to pay taxes as they earn salaries .

It doesn't matter if they are registered as charity. Churches in Nigeria are not operating like charity.

And for your info, I was a member of church workers. We keep records of all the amount we spend and receive on weekly basis. And also send report to the headquarter on monthly basis.

shekauvsbuhari:
they are like NGOs n charity organisations. That is how CAC classify them.they are run by donations from people n organisations. From that donation they pay guys that work for them. Rotary club for instance cant pay tax but they pay workers that work for them. If however church sets up a biz like fee-charging school. If de skul makes profit, it will pay tax.if it publishes book for profitable sale,it will pay tax. But that offering n tithe or whatever donation is not taxed bcs its a voluntary donation by people for de running of de charity. It is not classified as biz. U dnt sell prayer or charge fee for church attendance. The law does not see it as biz in the real sense of it. They are organisations that voluntarily help de society though there are abuses here and there.

Thanks for the response. Another quick one.

Do Nigerian churches appears like a Charity home or Business centres?

On the fact that you claim and accepted there are abuses, fraud, and mismanagement of church funds,it simply mean they have derail and not running as Charity organization. Does that not translate that are no more charity as claimed but a business for the merriment of the pastors and leaders and because of this should be taxed?

arrestdarrester:
You appear ignorant of goings on in the country. Churches are already remitting PAYE to state governments for its full time staff. Its nothing new.

Taxing the Church organization as a profit making entity is extremely wrong. Why then are they in the same category as NGOs who render PAYE to government for its employed staff but are not taxed as a profit making organization? Do mosques and churches keep profit and loss accounts?

Churches that collect free money does not need profit and loss account

The issue here is that Churches are not seen as Charity organizations any longer. It is more like a Business entity and should pay tax for all their income

OversightTM:
To the extent where it is ascertained that the church earns income from its activities, then and there will the need arise for such income to be taxed.

But if you keep saying churches earn income and I am wondering in my mind if it's the offerings, tithes and other voluntary donations you have in mind, you obviously need open-mindedness...

Sales of books and religious material can be taxed. Profit are been made in this case.

However, my concern is on offering, tithes and donations. It is a money making scheme for the church and pastors. I believe the salaries and earnings plus allowances come from offering and tithe. Moreso, bulk of this money is spent on the frivolous life of pastors. Because today, we barely see roads or free schools built by church for public consumption. Hence, these inflow does not amount to charity and should be taxed.

shekauvsbuhari:
standard practice everywhere. My pastor pays tax on books he writes. However land use charge does not mean that churches will pay tax on profit or income. OP is misleading you guys.

Please I need some clarification.

If Nigerian churches make money and pay salaries, why shouldn't the organization as a whole not taxed based on their revenue?

The common ground here is that they earb money.

shekauvsbuhari:
petty liar. Churches n mosques are registered as charities in us n uk and they dont pay tax. Their books n spending are however scrutinised by govt. In nigeria, pastors who earn salaries pay income tax and even do contributory pension. And finaly for your info... Land use charge is not tax on your income or profit. It is more like a token you pay on your landed property which is normal globaly. Its being done even in some states in nigeria. Religous bodies pay it.

Churches and religious organizations are generally exempt from income tax and receive other favorable treatment under the tax law; however, certain income of a church or religious organization may be subject to tax, such as income from an unrelated business.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf

teefaht:
Mosques are not being used for business purposes. Imams are not being paid nor generating any revenues. Where would they get the money from? The government should look into this.
They should rather tax the Muslim associations like NASFAT, ANSARUDEEN, MSSN etc

Mosques collect donations, they sell religious materials. They also have schools sometime inside the mosque or a building beside where student pay school fees. All these must be taxed duly.

Moreso, the mosque should pay property tax.

Acidosis:
What about shrines, and other traditional homes?


Not all Churches are registered, not all churches receive offerings/tithes. Not all pastors receive salaries. Some pastors in fact, spend their proceeds from their personal businesses to feed the majority of the members.

I'm not against this policy, but one thing is certain, the poor will definitely become poorer, while the rich (government officials) will become richer.
If you think taxing churches and mosques will improve your roads or electricity, then you're probably high on a cheap weed.

Shrines are built in personal home or on personal landed property which are taxed. The organised body of Onisegun pay tax. So also, the pastors and their churches should not be exempted.

powerkey:
Indeed you a a Yoruba Muslim Antichrist....

Remember winner chapel and redeem have branches accross all old Eastern States....

If you like call me Oduduwa Buddhist Babel. It doesn't change anything in me.

Celestial church of Christian, Cherubim and seraphim are in the UK and are been taxed. The same should apply in every state in Nigeria

Desyner:
Where does the proceed go? You tell me. You are only speculating further.




Have you heard of scholarship they give out? Maybe you want the church to annouce it in radio so that unbelievers can overrun the real seed sowers. You guys just assume thing and get emotional over the strides the churches are making.

MTN issue Scholarship, buily school, roads and street development project but still pay tax to the Government.

Many industries impacted on Human development project. By financing talent, training community and hosting game for host. Yet they pay tax.

Oil companies gives scholarship, sponsor locals abroad, build roads, water project, provide electricity, build hospitals and equip it, provide sewage system and give to the poor ones in millions but still pay tax.

Banks and many cooperation support customer and offer gift but still pay tax.

How is your church different and why do you think your church should be tax exempted?

At least we know how much these corporate organizations make. We know their inflow and outflow of fund. Your church kept their record secret so that no one will question their fraudulent act. Billions of naira keep rolling in and very little is spent on scholarship or whatever. The school built by churches are expensive...most chuch members cannot afford. The scholarship are been given to handpicked rich members.

If MTN can give scholarships and sponsor training of Nigerians student, build schools and also engage in social development, yet still pay tax, how much more your church that earns free money, and many more from inflated sales proceed of religious material and do very little or nothing to improve lifes, explain to us why Churches should pay tax.

It is a known fact that corporate organizations do not braoadcast their social development inputs. Your church are the one making noises on airwaves and television that they gave members scholarship or employment. Ordinary politicians do that and still pay tax

Desyner:
You are speculating. How does the church make profit? You will probably speculate further in answering that question.

Where does all the sales proceed of religious item go to? Government?

What of the special prayers fee?

Where does the salaries of the Pastors come from?

What about the offering and tithing plus unverified donations?

PDP will forever be banished from South West in 2018. They are welcome in the Eastern Jungle anyways

Desyner:
The church and mosques(if taxable) will soon retject this injustice. Buhari son will soon be flown abroad with tax payers money while those who pay the tax can't afford such.
If it were to be a church member who can't afford a church school we criticize the pastors but here govt officials are taxing us against our will and enjoying what we can't enjoy. Any attempt to tax the church is an attempt to tax the people twice.

Is Buhari not paying tax too? He earns salary after tax has been deducted.

And where is the evidence that Yusuf medical bill is offset from tax money? You guys just real out garbage from your anu just to prove a point.

On the principle of equity, the Church and Mosque is a business avenue which must be taxed. In UK, churches and religion centres are been taxed. This is because most full term pastors and bishops are been paid salary. The church earn revenue from every possible means. Either by selling religion items or offering money for special prayers. All these are no different from corporate organizations that render services or Industries that sells manufactured products which are taxed.

The Church property like every other Business properties should be taxed. The Sales revenue and Salaries of Pastors should be taxed too. There should no exception because both Church and it operators earn money. There is money flow that is taxable. These pastors or whatever they tag themselves should pay income tax just like every person. And the church which makes money from the congregation should also pay tax just like every other business or institution

pawesome:
when the automobile designer was designing fr chevrolet and the rest,we wia hearing f him..now he is d head f watsoeva self in naija,did we hear f him again?...

D only tin naija is gud at is killing talents

Who are those designing and developing for the Nigerian Airforce? Are they not Nigerian? As far as I can remember, they designered and built drones, military vehicles with local materials. Are they Ghost? Are they not Nigerians like you?

guru90:
which kinda contribution...

wetin our leaders Don contribute in this nation....

Kindly talk wisely joor......

NIGERIA STILL IN SUFFERING VIA OUR LEADERS HAND......

just take a look at China...

China always making a great impacts via developing their country...

Wetin our leaders Don do In this nation?

No good roads
No good networks
constant electricity zero

unemployment everywhere in this nation....

Our useless leaders developing other countries, neglecting their our country...


ME, I AM PLANNING TO LEAVE THIS COUNTRY SOONEST SELF....

Stop fuming in the mouth if you have nothing to contribute to the development of your country, nation and humanity.

You went to school and had all the education but what has that help drive development into the country?

Every year in year out, we produce Electrical Engineers but our power plants are been built by Chinese. Do you blame Government for not been competent?

The roads built by Nigerian Engineers wash away after some months. Hence, the Government give the job to Lebanese and Chinese. Do you also blame the Government for your own Education that fails you?

We have vast not cultivated land but food are still been imported. Abeg what are the Agriculture graduates doing? You sit your lazy as.s in one dark room to casf blames on the Government without you doing anything to help your people, country and continent way above underdevelopmental level.

A leader is the servant of the people. They are not Gods that magically make things happen. Your own input is needed to make effort whole and complete.

Make your own research without good road, electricity and water supply. That is an insight that there is more to be done and much more is needed. When you castugate,it only tells that your education is waste

He failed you and IPOB. But as for me, he is working.

Buhari has a mandate to serve Nigeria. It is not his responsibility to please all Nigerians. He has four good years to spend in office. Ans so far so good, majority of Nigerians will pass him for another four years. If you aint pleased with his policy, that is your headache. As a Nigerian, Buhari will have my vote in 2019

PDP always disappointing with the way they play their opposition game. All their steps are misplaced and completely on wrong path

matrix199:
First world country!



China has a population of over 1.5billion, and there has never been a reported case of fuel scarcity.

China is busy unveiling technological advanced machinery, Nigeria is busy unveiling fuel scarcity.



If China is a country, Nigeria is a village.

Instead of castigating, lamenting, and looking for who to blame for your woes, why can't you think of what you can contribute to the development of your nation?

Best I know, this technology were developed by Individuals and funded by Military Organizations. Nigeria Military fund this kind of projects too only when there is one designed by Indigenous individual or company. Give us your design and technological way out rather than lamenting

A Governorship aspirant under PDP is campaigning against banishing poverty in Ekiti, a state which PDP has already sunk into abject poverty with stomach infrastructure necessitated for the 'I never chop' by Fayose who spearhead sharing of HungryMan Indomie, Kongo of Rice and 500 naira note. The IGR of Ekiti state under the watch of PDP is nothing to write home. There is absolute no infrastructural development in Ekiti and the civil servants only have 5kg of rice plus a car lottery gamboree. Aeroland should note that Fayose and PDP has failed the Ekiti people. His aspiration ia only a pipe dream. PDP will forever be banished from Ekiti to the East across Niger