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Travel / Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Fortissimo502: 2:53pm On Jun 28, 2018
tintedniggz:

Mississauga grin
Lol correct. How's brampton?
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I won't be surprised if that tola_tao is actually one of those 419 men that masquerade as females on social media.

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Celebrities / Re: Tekno To Ubi Franklin: I Told You To Sign Me, I Will Make You So Much Money by Fortissimo502: 6:28pm On Jun 27, 2018
Even criminals now say it's grace after a successfully killing and robbery operation.
Sports / Re: Essam El-Hadary, Egypt Goalkeeper Oldest Player In World Cup History At 45 by Fortissimo502: 10:02pm On Jun 25, 2018
At least Nigeria has one of the youngest lipsrsealed

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Celebrities / Re: Police To Question D'banj's Family On The Death Of His Son by Fortissimo502: 9:59pm On Jun 25, 2018
mimimile93:
Naija we are getting there. This boy should be jailed. Thanks to PMB admin
Who should be jailed? The person that was overseas when the incident happened?

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Travel / Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Fortissimo502: 7:53pm On Jun 25, 2018
SixSigma1:


Although, I said yesterday or 2 days ago that I will not talk about this topic anymore but with this your last post I feel I have to respond to let you know that I am glad you found the information that clarifies what we have been talking about. I give you kudos for that.

Note that this discussion is not about who is wrong or who is right. It is for us to learn and know our rights as PR holders. I have always mentioned in my post just like you also mentioned above that while it is possible to deny re-entry for PR holders it will be very rare for that to happen (it may even never happen).

One last thing, the fact that you shared the information above with everybody here on this platform after you found it despite the fact that it supports my position shows that you are a gentleman and honest person. You earn my respect for that.

Peace my friend!

Well said. Peace!

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Travel / Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Fortissimo502: 7:12pm On Jun 25, 2018
naijaman3:


Just last week, the Government of Canada stiffens sentences for drunk driving meaning that foreign nationals and permanent residents convicted of impaired driving can now be deemed inadmissible and could face deportation. Here is the detail: https://www.cicnews.com/2018/06/canada-stiffens-sentences-for-drunk-driving-raising-new-immigration-concerns-0610796.html#gs.H7yUnxs


This is serious.

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Travel / Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Fortissimo502: 6:22pm On Jun 25, 2018
naijaman3:



Please try to understand what I wrote. Genuine or authentic Canadian citizenship cannot be revoked (not for any reason including treason). Anybody that obtain his/her PR and by extension citizenship based on false information or by deceit is a fake citizen and that is what can be revoked.

However, genuine or authentic PR can be revoked and holder deported (if already in Canada) or denied entry (if entering for the first time or re-entering after landing) due to many other reasons or for something they did after obtaining their PR. Got it?

In the past people with dual citizenship (not single citizenship) can have their citizenship revoked for treason but not anymore. See here for detail:
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/canadian-citizenship/acquisition-loss/revocation.html

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-29/page-4.html

I understand how you feel being on US non-immigrant visa at one point as you mentioned but know that I am not trying to scare you or anybody here but I just feel we should all know the fact and properly understand our rights to avoid being deported or being denied re-entry as a PR holder. I will also drop the topic as you requested.

I've scoured Canlii and I can't find any records of a PR with valid status being denied entry. Can you show me just one?

This case buttresses your point but it appears that in most cases they are allowed to enter Canada. I haven't read of anyone being turned away.

https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/irb/doc/2014/2014canlii83925/2014canlii83925.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAXUmlnaHQgb2YgZW50cnkgcmVzaWRlbnQAAAAAAQ&resultIndex=5

Here is the quote that supports your view:

It is a well-established principle that non-citizens do not have an unqualified right to enter and remain in Canada and Parliament has the right to adopt an immigration policy and to enact legislation proscribing conditions under which non-citizens will be permitted to enter and remain in Canada.[11] Parliament has set out a comprehensive immigration scheme in the Act and the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations (the “Regulations”).[12] Within the immigration scheme, non-citizens may enter and remain in Canada, subject to the provisions of the Act, as permanent residents, foreign nationals or protected persons.

I agreed in my earlier posts that PRs can be found inadmissible and denied entry.

But i guess it's just difficult to do that at the border and instead they allow the PR to enter, then go through the court of law to kick them out.

So argument over...thank you!

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Travel / Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Fortissimo502: 5:27pm On Jun 25, 2018
naijaman3:


According to the existing laws in Canada for now, the answer is NO as long as the naturalized citizen did not become a PR and then a citizen using false information or by deceit their citizenship cannot be revoked. The law could possibly be changed in the future but I doubt that it will be changed because everybody (apart from the native Indians) is immigrant in this country. At any rate, we can only go by what the laws are today and not what it could be in the future.

Fair enough. But my point is naturalized citizens can have their status revoked under certain circumstances such as treason.

So my argument is that do we say it is a privilege and not a right just based on the ever so infinitesimal chance of having your legally granted status revoked? Which usually happens after your are let in? That is the crux of what I'm saying.

This includes further evidence from the law that starts off with the title "right of entry of permanent residents". Then not to talk about judicial precedent, case law, IRCC website, immigration lawyers and forums, etc. Even those that have defaulted on their residency obligations are routinely let in.

Remember right of entry is actually the origin of this argument.

I guess I'm just very passionate about this subject haven been on a non immigrant US visa in the past. It's a very shaky and uncomfortable feeling cheesy .

Based on my research, PRs have right of entry.

Again, I may be wrong and you may be right. It's not much of a big deal to the average PR or naturalized citizen.

Shall we drop the topic?
Travel / Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Fortissimo502: 5:06pm On Jun 25, 2018
steroid:
No pictures posted recently.

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Travel / Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Fortissimo502: 5:03pm On Jun 25, 2018
I really don't want to argue about this especially as it is of very little importance.
Travel / Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Fortissimo502: 4:57pm On Jun 25, 2018
naijaman3:


If PR holders have right of entry it would not be possible to deny them entry for any reasons (not even because of serious criminality as you mentioned). Anything that can be legally taken away from you is not a right and that is why PR can be legally denied entry due to criminality for example whereas Citizens can never be denied entry no matter their crime (this is what is called right).

By the way, there are many other less serious criminal offences that can make a PR inadmissible or deported. Even the article you made reference to says:

“If for instance, while you are arguing with someone and you grab an object and throw it at that person, you could be inadmissible to Canada for serious criminality” – (this is from the article you referenced).

Just last week, the Government of Canada stiffens sentences for drunk driving meaning that foreign nationals and permanent residents convicted of impaired driving can now be deemed inadmissible and could face deportation. Here is the detail: https://www.cicnews.com/2018/06/canada-stiffens-sentences-for-drunk-driving-raising-new-immigration-concerns-0610796.html#gs.H7yUnxs


Naturalized citizens can have their citizenship stripped away, no?
Travel / Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Fortissimo502: 4:55pm On Jun 25, 2018
naijaman3:



Please stop this unnecessary argument. PR holders do not have right of entry to Canada but they will hardly be denied entry. Even the division 3 of the immigration and refugee protection act that you quoted specifically mentioned the right of entry for citizens and Indians – 19 (1) but no right of entry was mentioned for PR – 19 (2).

19 (1) Every Canadian citizen within the meaning of the Citizenship Act and every person registered as an Indian under the Indian Act has the right to enter and remain in Canada in accordance with this Act, and an officer shall allow the person to enter Canada if satisfied following an examination on their entry that the person is a citizen or registered Indian.

19 (2) An officer shall allow a permanent resident to enter Canada if satisfied following an examination on their entry that they have that status.



The heading of the subsection I quoted states right of entry of permanent residents. But abeg I don tya for this matter. Let anyone believe whatever they want abeg. I'm done with this topic.

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Travel / Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Fortissimo502: 4:42pm On Jun 25, 2018
steroid:
No pictures posted recently.

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Travel / Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Fortissimo502: 3:07pm On Jun 25, 2018
ttmacoy:
You are correct even if there is a major issue it will probably have to go to an immigration or criminal court which means you will have to enter the country.

Yes, you are right. That's exactly what I read. They go through the courts in most times. The PR will be called in for hearings and such.

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Travel / Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Fortissimo502: 2:42pm On Jun 25, 2018
ttmacoy:
Based on the bolded it is safe to conclude that if the officer is NOT satisfied he can refuse entry therefore you don't have a right to entry.

Of course for an officer to refuse entry for a PR it must be something very serious and significant.

Right of entry of permanent residents

(2) An officer shall allow a permanent resident to enter Canada if satisfied following an examination on their entry that they have that status.


Correct...but read it to its conclusion. Satisfied regarding what? Your PR status.

In actual fact the main reason for inadmissibility for PRs is serious criminality e.g. murder. You can check case law on canlii.

From what I've read and been told, in most cases the PR will still be allowed entry while the the government begins proceedings to formally revoke the PR status.

Again I have seen no case law where a PR with valid status was denied entry. There may be.

I believe there was a case reported on nairaland where a naturalized citizen was denied entry (or something like that) due to some issue in verifying their status. Though I'm not sure of the details regarding that case.

This tells me that most times, the key thing with entry is status. Although yes it is true that you can be denied entry based on serious criminality. To me that doesn't justify saying PRs don't have right of entry.

http://mtcsalc.org/en/publications/immigration/permanent-resident-status?p=2

That's some interesting reading for anyone interested in the topic. Make sure to read in full.

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Sports / Re: Some Argentines Arrested For Trafficking Drugs In Fake World Cup Trophies. by Fortissimo502: 12:39pm On Jun 25, 2018
No play o.
Sports / Re: Some Argentines Arrested For Trafficking Drugs In Fake World Cup Trophies. by Fortissimo502: 12:38pm On Jun 25, 2018
johnmartus:
Unfortunately for them Russia is a country that don't take shit death is a penalty.
Falsehood. Capital punishment is not allowed in Russia.

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Religion / Re: Fake Miracle: Should I Accept This Bribe To Do This Evil? by Fortissimo502: 11:34am On Jun 25, 2018
Troll alert.

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Celebrities / Re: How D'banj Son, Daniel D'Third Drowned In Swimming Pool While D'banj Was In USA by Fortissimo502: 10:06am On Jun 25, 2018
mercenary:
So he was born in the abroad... This These Nigerian rookie bloggers and their bad English
Fixed.

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Celebrities / Re: Death: D'banj Son, Daniel D' Third's Throwback Photos by Fortissimo502: 11:29pm On Jun 24, 2018
ceejayx:
Rich people and pool sef.. Their reasoning is so Aquatic
So because people die in car accidents people shouldn't use cars?
Crime / Re: Man Who Stole Pregnant Goat In Ekwulobia, Anambra Paraded. Photos by Fortissimo502: 11:07pm On Jun 24, 2018
Omo see as the goat just stand calmly.
Family / Re: Daughter Reunites With Her Father Who Has Been On The Road Driving For Months by Fortissimo502: 11:01pm On Jun 24, 2018
princeade86:
truck drivers are suffering in terms of staying on d road .
They're making serious money though.
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Sports / Re: Lionel Messi Celebrates 31st Birthday With Lovely Photos by Fortissimo502: 6:42pm On Jun 24, 2018
dominique:
He looks older with wrinkles at the corner of his eyes. Most whites don't age well at all
Hmmm
Travel / Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Fortissimo502: 1:51am On Jun 24, 2018
behati:

What if he's telling the fill story? I'll be shocked if this is the first time you're seeing a PR denied visa. it happens all the time, check canadavisaforum. Please let this rest!
I'm surprised people find it so shocking. There r so many cases of new PRs being denied. Infact from what I've seen, it almost looks like if your PR is less than 6 months, it's a 50 50 chance to get the US Visa. Especially if you don't have a very strong case to begin with. It can be difficult to demonstrate home ties to canada after only recently just immigrating there.

Also, although this is just me wondering, the applicant may be seen as potentially having immigrant intent seeing that they just recently immigrated from their home country.

Then of course there's the economic factor as well.

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Travel / Re: Canada Warns Nigerian Asylum Seekers Crossing From US: There's 'no Free Ticket' by Fortissimo502: 7:00am On Jun 23, 2018
Why are you recycling old news. It's been posted previously about 6 weeks ago.

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Travel / Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Fortissimo502: 5:36am On Jun 23, 2018
SixSigma1:


I would not like to discuss this any further. You have the prerogative to interpret the acts the way you deem fit but that do not change the fact. People reading this do not have to agree with me neither do they have to agree with you because the act is available online for everybody read to know their rights.

What is important though is that the whole act should be read and interpreted together rather than taking one section or division of the act in isolation while neglecting the other part that throw more light on the section or division they are trying to interpret. So, read all of Division 3 section 19 (1) and section 19 (2), and also Division 4 section 34, 35 and 36 that talks about inadmissibility of a PR holder.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/page-5.html#h-16
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/page-8.html#h-23


Again, it a privilege (not a right) for PR to be allowed to re-enter Canada. However, the moment you are allowed in into Canada you have the rights listed in the IRCC link you provided. You lose the right listed on IRCC the moment you are deem inadmissible to Canada. Show me any part of the act that says a PR holder has the right to re-enter Canada just like division 3 section 19 (1) says citizens and Indians have right to enter Canada.



The presence or not of a law case about someone with PR status being denied entry to Canada does not invalidate the fact that their is an act or the law regarding rights of a PR regarding re-entry into Canada. The law and the act are there buy may never have been applied in the past. They also might have been applied but the affected person decided not to make a law case of it. So not finding a law case does not mean anything.

Sorry, this is the last I will write regarding this topic.



Well, each has the right to their opinion. Or is that in contention too? Lol. It's not really a big deal anyway. Privilege or right, everyone is getting in freely. I too will not post further on this topic and my view remains unchanged.

I am well aware of the case for inadmissiblility of a PR holder. The section of the law I mentioned says the PR holder will be examined.

What I meant and what I think the law means as well, is that a PR that is not inadmissible, has right of entry. This is different from someone with a valid Trv who although might not be inadmissible, does not have right of entry.

The general vibe I'm getting on this thread is almost equating the privilege of entry of TRV holders with the right of entry of PR holders. They are not the same. PRs have right of entry.

I'd add that my view seems to align with that of Campbell Cohen, a well known Canadian immigration law firm, and the more experienced members of their forum, canadavisa.com


Thank you for your time.

P.S. whether people agree with me or not, it's no skin off my back. I know what mentality I should have when I approach the fine folks of the CBSA.

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Romance / Re: Lalasticlala Set To Wed by Fortissimo502: 4:13am On Jun 23, 2018
Pictures...
Travel / Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Fortissimo502: 3:43am On Jun 23, 2018
SixSigma1:


First, I understand the way you feel for being refused a US visa despite having your Canadian PR. While it is very rare for Canadian PR to be denied US visa, it does happen that PR holders are sometimes denied as it is in your case. The reason being that being granted the visa of any country is a privilege (not a right). Even if you feel that you 100% qualify, the visa officer may think otherwise.

Having said that, I see a lot of misconceptions in your post above which I will also like to address:



You should actually take your own advice of knowing your right because it looks to me that you have a wrong impression of what are your rights as a Canadian PR holder regarding being granted visa or entrance into US. The fact that the Canadian Government chose to allow Green Card holders to enter Canada without Canadian visa does not mean that the US Government has to reciprocate. In the past, before September 11 (and up to a certain time after 911), Canadian PR holders from certain countries (including from Nigeria) could enter the US without having to obtain a US visa. It is not the US fault if the Canadian Government chose not impose visa rule on Green card holders after the US imposed visa on PR holders. So, as a Canadian PR holder you do not have a right to US visa (your PR document only makes it easier to get). Even Canadian citizens that do not currently require visa to enter the US can still be denied entry just as US citizen could be denied entry into Canada and nothing will happen.

I also want to point out to you that even as a Canadian PR holder, you can also be denied re-entry into Canada for reasons that are obvious and not so obvious. This is because until you become a Canadian citizen, being granted entry into Canada is a privilege (not a right). We discussed this in the past on this thread. See this page: https://www.nairaland.com/3617393/living-canada-life-canadian-immigrant/259#66247695



As to this being a vendetta against Nigerians, I doubt this. You are already in Canada. The request for strict US visa is for the Nigerians that are based in Nigeria and who are trying to enter Canada illegally through the US and not those that are already living legally in Canada.

So, as many people have already said, just wait for a while and reapply.

Not really trying to stir up old stuff but what do you say about 19 (2) of division 3 of the immigration and refugee protection act. For ease of reference it reads thus:

Right of entry of permanent residents

(2) An officer shall allow a permanent resident to enter Canada if satisfied following an examination on their entry that they have that status.

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It is my interpretation that if you have PR status, you have right of entry.

In addition,

IRCC here: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/new-immigrants/pr-card/understand-pr-status.html

explicitly states that PRs have the right to live in Canada. I don't think it makes sense for someone to have the right to live somewhere but not enter that place.

Again I believe once your status is valid you have right to enter. Only way you can be denied is if there's some issue with your PR status. I do not believe it's a privilege.

Can someone find any case law on canlii that shows someone with valid PR status being denied?

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Travel / Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Fortissimo502: 1:09am On Jun 23, 2018
Nobody has a right to a Visa.

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Food / Re: What Is This Fruit Called In English? by Fortissimo502: 3:58pm On Jun 22, 2018
okwabayi:

So how are you then sure nobody has given the right answer?
Take my answer as fact: they are either grapes or cherries. In Africa we call almost a thousand fruit variants cherries.

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