Atheism is not intelligent. Supreme intelligence, infact all intelligence belongs to God.

Before outer space existed there was and there is still God. I love Him.

How did evolution or big ban.g think of creating male and female creatures?

Puhlease, you don't believe in juju right?

Go to Ilishan shrine, they will show you the day you were born inside a mirror koro koro.

Abegiiii, the spirit world exists joooooooor!

Total waste of time. If some xtians cannot answer these questions why not ask God Himself?

Take the time, effort and pain to wait and pray and ask Him.

You think big ban.g created the world, stay there. How did big ban.g think of creating male and female?

you are a being does that not mean that being a being must have been a Being's idea?

this world is ruled by forces of darkness, nigerians can tell you more, so the evil in the world is from satan.

no problem, use your free will but be ready to be translated into eternal nothingness at the second death. you are free.

For a non-religious African man, not really! You know nau.

For a Xtian man, yes! Lots of benefits you can claim. Especially if they are in the same field. One will chase 1 thousand, two will chase ten thousand, etc, etc.

Plus lots of extra people to go to heaven with so that the family does not disappear into eternal nothingness at the second death.

For a muslim man, yes also cos there are lots of bonus points to claim in the Quran.

For traditional worshipper, don't know.

For a non-religious Western man, definitely no! Better to have kids with your long-term girlfriend.

Na wa o for naija employers. Its normal o.

But doesn't the employer think that the baby may be a future customer of the organisation?

Abi without people having children, who will these companies sell to?

Na wa o. People against the protest, na wa for you o.

How much is the money sef?

Do you know that some people have this money and they are still looking for fulfilment?

Do you know that some people have so much comfort and luxury and yet have no comfort and luxury in their spirits.

This protest is about our children's children. Fuel subsidy may be good but it it the wrong time.
The consumers cannot afford to pay for it now. Even if you have gone through a lot, is it the fault of other people? Why not blame satan? Why support GEJ for money? Why? Money can't soothe your spirit when trouble comes.

remember that there is no money in heaven.

Anyway, I want you to know that there is a God who existed before space existed and HE WILL REWARD.

even if you ask for forgiveness, you won't get cos you did purposely and you knew you were going to ask for forgiveness later.

May God judge us all.

Playah why not tell Linda or bella naija

Omo tier 1 speechless here.well well done.   

This is for our children,s children not just for us. If I had stinking money eh, I will pay people to protest and feed them,fight money with money.

Cheers.

The God who created the universe and existed before space existed, I greet you, the great BABA and MAMA in one!

I praise you and thank you for everything.

The God who designed how humans should think and devised the art of living, YOU ARE MAJESTIC, I am so in love with you.

Thank you Jesus.

It is possible if the poster and the people who replied can show example by doing the right thing and setting themselves on fire like the man in eyypt abi na tunisia.

start first or donate your children or family members. if not you, then why somebody else?

quid:

the hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world.

As in! No need to fear. Without women populating the world, how will the men or anyone have jobs?

Broaden your horizons, the more you increase your horizons, the more you stretch God's hand and the more hardworking the angels will be to order your steps to meet him.

Get out there. Go beyond any kind of border. Increase your wealth of friends and contacts.

$tunna:


hahahahaha!! you r even lazy in your thought process, hello??

if only you can see your own mind and how weak it is, but u can not and therefor u think u r right and that the way u think and see the world is the only valid way of seeing it and, yet, you wonder why everything is going wrong daily in the land?

trust me, nigerians r generally clueless about the great sacrifice it takes to creat a great nation and therefor wants to force the country into being great - not from hard work but by mainly saying that nigeria is the giant of africa! it will never work just as saying god is in control has never worked n never will, it takes extraordinary hardwork and determination and persiverance and great sacrifices to creat a great nation,

and fearing getting shot by police while u protest or holding forever to how Gani dies is pointless! dying for a great cause is better than dying at an old age after living a non remarkable life and u do not get this simple truth and here u r challenging me while lamenting police brutality; still, your mates from great countries the world over r on uniforms this minute, keeping watch,  fighting external n internal enemies of their States and various lands!!??

does your bible not ay that those who seek to protect their lives will lose it shm

spoilt brat, pls go open your christmas gifts n leave this conversation for grown up, k!!

i have made an entire point that saving nigeria will and can only be done by nigerians as a group, no god or messiah will come to rescue them and u came in with a huge arguement of how i can be the messiah or send my son as another messiah in the form gani could not do it how daft can u be, ?

hmmm, i like that word daft, i noticed y'all like to use it here a lot, i been wanting to use it and hoped i used it the right way for ya, ! pls move it along

Helloooo? I send your insult back to you, take it, it's yours

Please go ahead and be the first to die for Nigeria. Better still give birth to as many kids as possible and donate them to die for Nigeria so that people can see how remarkable you are.

Many thanks.

^^^^

Talk is cheap

Who told you nigerians are lazy? Is it a country where people cannot protest freely without being shot by police?

Why don't you donate yourself or your son as our messiah or did we refuse you? See what they did to Gani, naija are clueless

Besides lots of people are uneducated and don't know their rights and they need to fight for rights before they can get free education.

Naija's problem is lack of affinity.

Funny enough, I dreamt about this as a kid. About 15yrs ago, I dreamt that fulani(or northern) touts invaded Ogun State, a lot of people had fled before they came, some were still around. I just said to myself then "it is not possible".

It depends on the couple. If the woman wants to show commitment and submission, then she should do the right thing. There may be exceptions, like if the woman's father is a governor or president, etc. If the woman wil not submit then she shouldn't bother to get married, it WON'T work

But why are African men so concerned about subordinating and ruling their women. No wonder Africa is where it is, we bother with tiny issues

If only Africans existed in this world, we will still be on the farm, uncivilised with no light bulb, fridge, car, drugs, machines, aeroplanes, etc bothering about how to control women

Left to Africans, this world will be in . . .

nomorename:

Quite sad that in this day and age some people still believe in witchcraft.

Am off topic now

Witches, babalawos exist, oh. pls to confirm eh, take a trip to ijebu to see baba ijebu and tell him you want to see the 'video' of the poo you passed out two yrs ago, serious or you want to see your father toasting your mother

i will give you any amount you want to prove it cos am too sure (na personal experience) if the baba can't do it or even suggest anoda baba

am not into that stuff bt spiritual cults are everywhere even in canada, usa, etc.

mikron:

God is wonderful. Everybody is unique in his or her own way.

As in.

Omo mehn,  a company that sells small items should upgrade her and creatively use her for adverts. She is so cheerful.

stagger:

Modern day Martin Luthers, oya make una start now. Me I just dey siddon dey look una!

Lol!

Stagger, na wa.

I said Google the pay[b] if [/b] you want to know. I do not know it myself cos its unnecessary but I have seen the web link before. So I said if you want to know.

The 'if' is implied.

All the insults, I send them back to you.

All I know is logic and faith can go together sometimes. Transparency and accountability should start from where? The church

The source of money is[b] from the members [/b] not the pastors so under the law, in a good country,the statement of ccounts should be accessible.

God bless.

stagger:

The highlighted points in blue: I agree with your analysis there 100%. Even God said that he that giveth to the poor lendeth to the Lord! I agree 100%. The poor should never be left to starve to death. But they also should not be left to remain poor. This is where the church can do a lot more.

The point highlighted in green is what is seriously missing in our churches; again I agree 100%. A lot more needs to be done.

But I will not ask someone who I know bought a private jet with his personal money to sell it. No one has a right to tell me what I do with my property, so I do not see why I should tell another man what to do with his, especially when I know he gives as well, and heavily too (people usually don't like to talk about this one).

I don't know the pope's salary o (and it is not my business really), but I know my own parish pastor's own: ZERO. He still practises his architecture!

the pope's salary is known by both catholics and non-catholics. you can google the exact amount.

anywayz, God help us all.

NaijaNile:

@ Jencyjyde- u have time to be replying musketeer and the others, it seems u are not aware that G.O said nobody should defend him anywhere. Let God be his judge

Why people disregard God’s word in order to be “clever – clever here meaning with-holding what God has commanded his children to give for the furtherance of his work on earth” because of fear that one pastor somewhere is eating your money beats me – leave the pastor to eat the money. He is answerable to God.

Let the Musketeers of this world and his ilk continue to apply "human and economic logic" to God's word - theories that have done the world-including the so called developed economies no good. Abi no be dis same world we dey wey Europe & America enter economic shambles?

[size=13pt]THE SAME HUMAN LOGIC PRODUCED THIS INTERNET AND THE COMPUTERS WE ARE USING?

why didn't God come down and invent computers for us? sometimes we need to use what he has given us. when it is finished, we ask for more.

THE SAME HUMAN LOGIC THAT  gave MILLIONS OF NIGERIANS AND OTHER AFRICANS WESTERN EDUCATION AND CIVILIZATION??

THE SAME HUMAN LOGIC THAT PRODUCED MEASLES, TETANUS AND POLIO VACCINES THAT KEPT RCCG MEMBERS ALIVE WHEN THEY WERE BABIES???[/size]


there are millions of poor and illiterate nigerians who are falling prey to fake pastors. we want to help. thats what this is all about. is that bad?

Jencejyde:

Hmmm,  very well said.

1. The people who gave us xtianity and the old churches like Catholic and Anglican all have open books. Why not RCCG?

-How much is Go collecting as salary (minus gifts of course)?
-How much are the pastors paid?
-Who agreed these things?
-How much is given to charity?

I may not ver well depth in theology as my core is IT. One thing i do know is that we all, whether anglicans, catholics, baptist or pentecostal all practise christianity. When you say open books, are you saying the rccg should declare its earning? pls elaborate.

Under intelligence, i may not answer some of your questions here, but I will give you an insight. The Go is an honorable member that was entrusted by the founder to carry on with the vison of the founder, hence what he gets is unquantifiable. People willingly do things and give him gifts beyond what you can imagine,   Pastors are paid on a salary scale level that may not be much but is ok, considering that the institution is not a profit making organization and the number of workers are enormous. It is the administration that was set up in the early days as early as the 80( well that's when i got involved) that put up this structure and Believe me sir, much and i say this with all sincerity, a lot is given out to charity by the church and individuals who are members as well. I mentioned something about Social corporate responsibility in my earlier post, pls endevour to check.

2. What has RCCG done about the traffic situation wasting time and indirectly causing havoc. The money is there to get a apermanent situation.

Why must other people be stressed and put in agony because some people are going to visit church?

Again the RCCG is not Govt. Its a church and there is a limit to which they can go about some certain activities under the constitution. Yes they have had their fare share of causing traffic during programmes along the expressway, even i was frustrated too. Apologies on behalf of the church if you have encounterd such previously. But let me say that this peculiar one only occurs during monthly programs along the express and not everywhere in Lagos oh,  But as i speak to you, Security and traffic committees have been formed of whom have dealt with the situation admirably in recent times,

You say the money is there and yet i told you that its a Church primarily and not profit oriented and the Camp ground which houses dwellers also has maintenance needs and development, Is it priority or in the name of pro activeness for the rccg to embark on fixing traffic or roads when we have a govt? Dont you think the church has its own needs?

3. Why is there no question and answer session between the heads of the church and the members and public?

Even Jesus/God took questions,

Yes it could be done, but mind you lets be focused on the objective here and not see the rccg as the govt in power. in-house the rccg has a lot of programmes to address the needs of its congregations at various levels.


4. Why do pple have to give specific amounts? Why not as their hearts purposeth?

In RCCG, they have levels of giving like

1-5million naira
5-10million naira
etc.

Good talk, let me remind you again that even in the rccg there is no perfection, pls read my earlier post again. I have heard of such practices too and it has been highly condemned by the leadership with serious penalties for any offender, but should i now say it is how the whole institution operates?

When there are projects that need to be done, true that the church pleads with the congregation to donate monetarily or spiritually to support such. But never have they FORCED anyone to give, It is voluntarily,  As i speak to you, There are member's who give millions to the church monthly VOLUNTARILY because they desire to do so. They have it and believe if they support the work of God, they will continually be blessed,  Do you think they were forced or jazzed, did they put guns to their heads,  We are talking about a church that is the fastest growing in the world with branches spread worldwide,  do you know how much tha amounts to?  

Surely we are all different, so if one person decides not to give, another person will.

5. Why not donate to existing unis and schools instead of building new ones?

The only Uni that the rccg has is RUN(Redeemers University) and surely the church has contributed to projects in other Universities and still does.

It is not everything that one does that you get to hear, that's absolutely impossible. But if you manage to get close to the administration, you will find out that many programmes are being run to a positive end.

Well those who want to immortalize a man are free to do that, but my bible tells me to put my trust in God and not man. I respect the man of God and have great admiration for what he has accomplished but surely i do not worship him,  That immortalizing thing is absolute bullocks, dunno but men, this is 2011,  anyone doing that is on a long thing.

6. Since RCCG is close to the govt. why not lobby for power and pray that the generator importers/PHCN BRIBE TAKERS will be destroyed so there can be light and the economy can explode?

Hahahah! you know, i was speaking with one of our directors and we shared something similar. Its a complicated situation cos govt is politics and i know the leadership of this institution will never want to be seen as practicing politics. Unfortunately, its is true that most of the member's hold high positions in govt and , hmmmm May God help us to be better individuals and do the right thing regardless of where we are positioned,  Easier said than done especially when i particularly know what goes on in these place,  In short, We simply have some few good people surrounded  by loads of corrupt ones and its a do or die situation, Only prayer with tactical actions that can deliver us from this state we are in now,  As for light, i can tell you that the rccg generates their own light and it is solely financed by the leadership after careful planning and structuring plus the individuals acted with integrity.

Hope i have been able to answer your questions as sincerely as possible. God Bless!

YES SIR. THANK YOU SIR

stagger:


When a woman poured expensive perfume at the feet of Jesus, exactly the responses many people have dished out here is what Jesus was fed with. That is why Jesus responded to them (especially the one who was talking about selling the perfume and giving the money to the poor) saying: "the poor you have with you always, but you will not always have me".

Let us face the fact. Jesus came into this world PRIMARILY for spiritual redemption. Giving to the poor is a distant second.

Besides, the emphasis of any true help to the poor is to help them out of poverty and not just giving them money and other such stuff. I know how many times I give to many poor people I meet everywhere and when I pass them 6 months later, they are still in the same state. So what is our giving to the poor really doing?

[b]Jesus lived only 33yrs or so thats why He said the poor you will always have but not me.

Pastors are expected to live longer. besides we are meant to worship God not pastor. yes, church should meet the pastor's needs abundantly but not at the expense of those who may starve to death should pastor's

Spiritual redemption manifests through the physical. Jesus was not dirt poor but He was still poor so we can be rich, we are meant to prosper spiritually, financially(which is the koko in this world), maritally, physically(like the arabs), etc.

how do you preach to poor man?

or  a man who needs money for kidney operation?

or a man who has not eaten for two days?

or a man who is homeless?

is it by speaking in tongues or by anointing him?

the poor is the koko, my friend.

every poor is a potential xtian or RCCG member.

people will always make financial mistakes or be lazy or be born into the wrong circumstances?

so we should leave them to starve to death? the poor will always be there.

before you educate a poor man, you have to feed him, clothe him and house him so that the education will enter the skull and the spirit.

MOST OF THE MONEY COMING INTO THE CHURCH IS FROM MEMBERS NOT THE PASTORS AND IN A NORMAL SOCIETY IT IS MEANT TO HELP MEMBERS SO thats why people are worried and asking questions.

in the bible, when someone was in need, rich  or big men sold their property, assets etc and brought the money into the church to help homeless, sick and poor people.

so can these pastors who are role models and 'next to God' sell their jets and assets to help the homeless both in the church and outside?[/b]

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EVERYONE KNOWS THE SALARY OF THE POPE(minus gifts) SO WHY NOT NIGERIAN PENTECOSTAL PASTORS?[/size]

I think (no offence o), that buying a private jet is like luxury, you know some people could do with that money.

Jencejyde, if you are a xtian and in a bad situation like you need money for an urgent surgery and you hear that one pastor is flying in jets then you could be discouraged.

yes, RCCG CANNOT  do everything but a lot of people perceive jet as luxury when first class airline travel is there.

I think a lot of church -goers are just waiting for their turn to be workers and pastors so they can steal their own. more questions to come.

Jencejyde

I have these questions:

1. The people who gave us xtianity and the old churches like Catholic and Anglican all have open books. Why not RCCG?

-How much is Go collecting as salary (minus gifts of course)?
-How much are the pastors paid?
-Who agreed these things?
-How much is given to charity?

2. What has RCCG done about the traffic situation wasting time and indirectly causing havoc. The money is there to get a a permanent solution.

Why must other people be stressed and put in agony because some people are going to visit church, everybody knows what they are going for? some people go to kidnap wandering kids, some to steal, some to get hansome husbands

3. Why is there no question and answer session between the heads of the church and the members and public?

Even Jesus/God took questions.

4. Why do pple have to give specific amounts? Why not as their hearts purposeth like in the bible?

In RCCG, they have levels of giving like

1-5million naira
5-10million naira
etc.

5. Why not donate to existing unis and schools instead of building new ones?

Is it a selfish way  OF IMMORTALISING THE G.O.'s name disguised as educational contribution ? I thought this world will pass away. Just asking, NO OFFENCE.

6. Since RCCG is close to the govt. why not lobby for power and pray that the generator importers/PHCN BRIBE TAKERS will be destroyed so there can be light and the economy can explode?

7. What is RCCG doing about jobs? the money is there. the money for private jet could have established a small company that will employ jobless youths who in turn will not go into armed robbery where they will kill and r.ape someone's wife/daughter who could have become a xtian or powerful RCCG choir member?

just asking harmless questions.

mba emeka:

We went on our knees to ask God to change the hearts of our leaders-past and present and he did. Suddenly a man whose government at some time back, ban the broadcasting of CEC programs now graces the birthday celebration of the head pastor. I would have thought that brethren here would begin to rejoice that the much needed change has begun but on the contrary.

A sister who always posts give your heart to christ threads on the religous section made a joke "baba leave me na" some others made two. Really ask yourself, do these folks desire a change in Nigeria? or are they just hypocrites, complaining of so much darkness but angry at you for turning on the light. living the cycle of a sin conscious life.

My own take is this, when a sinful man comes in contact with a man of God one of thems designation is going to change and chances are that it isnt the latter. so Rejoice! I percieve a change of heart from the man. Such has been the testimony of anybody who came in contact with this man of God.

I even heard from the grapevine that during Gov. Uduaghans speech he said that the only questions Pastor asked him before the elections and after was "what are you going to do for your people"? and what are you doing for them" and the Gov. in his own words said the questions touched him. Whether he has started or not is left to time, it is clear that should the relationship continue the Gov. would have some one constantly reminding him of his promises to his people and the need to fulfil them. I wish him the best.

I implore you all to celebrate worthy things and leave the ignorant and idle talks to people who have sworn to fail. The Change we desire in Nigeria has started!

dangloove:

God is too merciful.I have noticed that some people enjoy saying rubbish against men of God and especially to Pastor Chris.
i think to complain about him extorting money from his member when you re not one of them is foolishness
Those of them giving him their money are not complaining.that's foolishness on your part
I also want to believe he has member who are wiser than u,people who re in better class than u,people who re more intelligent than u,people who u may not be able to get to their present position all your life.

Then what is the issue,Just relax and think you may find out how foolish u have been all these while

SOMEONE HELP THESE POPLE!!!

Do (some) Nigerians have low intelligence? NO

Then why would anyone condemn this marriage?

yes she married him for money just like any normal wife

he is very short? so what? so far he is a man not a boy.

if you were him, what would you have done?


they say they believe in an unseen God yet insult a short man? is that intelligent?


DID HE DESIGN HIMSELF?

EVEN IF his parents were cursed, IS THAT HIS FAULT?

any normal person will educate themselves on growth hormone deficiency but no, they are jealous he can get a wife after they have used him to thank God for their own tall stature.

Yes

Why 'as Adenuga or Dangote'?

Why must the standard be Adenuga or Dangote? Why? Why not YOU? You could be bigger than those two.

It could take much more time and brains and strategies than you think but YOU and your future generations will reap massively.

Might be for money-making rituals for someone or politicians.

Money, money, . . .

Pple can only use it to show off and oppress others in Naija ONLY.

Outside Naija, we will never be respected until we can build a decent society, accesible to all.

Non-nigerians will always think it is stolen money.

His family have calmness in their genes. I know a member. He was a true gentleman. R.I.P. Bawomolo, while we are still working on earth, you are at rest.

Is there any way he can be immortalised on nairaland?

Lol at Sagamite's replies.

As in! That is what they need. Someone who can pretend to be mental like them.

If na peckham, someone may have slapped her, Nollywood style and she would have spoken in Yoruba tongue

British blacks exist and will exist forever. How come the British Polish, Romanian, Indians and chinese are not targeted?

i read it on one site that if a british carpenter or welder goes to another country, he is called an expatriate but if na . . .

Anyway, someone suppose mention south africa and other African countries where white immigrants have helped and r.aped the people. they will always sugar-coat apartheid in their magazines like it was just a simple immigration problem whereas it was more than that. they always use style to shift the huge blame on their heads like honouring nelson, etc.

we sef suppose stuborn and pretend to be guilt-free like them.

besides anyone if someone calls you racist names, ignore or look for names and hit them in self-defence, we get plenty erogatory names for them, it's self-defence.

Kini big deal? Everybody cannot like black people. Everybody cannot like white people. It's life. Black British is forever, no one can change that so what is wrong with the posters here? If you are not a monkey or you are truly British, then why get annoyed?