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dekung:
I wonder why churches especially find it so difficult to give back to the same people they take from. Grace so amazing foundation printed and distributed millions of copies of WORD FOR TODAY free of charge. How come pastor chris and co find it difficult to do the same thing. Some of us were able to read the new testament bible as children because Gideons international made them available to us free of charge. Christianity in Nigeria is strictly for making money, nothing else. The word Modesty has lost its meaning as far as these pastors are concerned.

ROR is distributed free of charge to people; people are never asked to buy it. Pls get your facts right before condemning these churches.

yd849ja:
Matt   8:3, And immediately his leprosy was cleansed. 4. See that you tell no one; but go your way, show yourself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them.
Here you can see Jesus telling the man to do as Moses commanded that includes tithe and tithe should be paid to the Lord not to help anyone in need. It is sacrosanct. Please stop your heresy and do as the Lord God commands.

Joagbaje:
We must do all. That's the balance that Jesus was passing accros

Luke 11:42
42 "But woe to you Pharisees! For though you are careful to tithe even the smallest part of your income, you completely forget about justice and the love of God. You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave these other things undone.

They were still living under the law of Moses at this point in time, why are u people so dumb to understand this.
Even Jesus mentioned it in Matt 8:3 that ", give gift that Moses commanded". This shows they were still under the law of Moses at this point becos He (Jesus) had not not been crucified. New testament started after the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus.

Ndata:
Damn right the guy is really obsessed with Pastor Chris Oyakhilome.Check out the height of his madness

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-863801.99999.html#bot

Visited the thread and, yes, the guy is obviously obsessed - and perhaps mad.

lawson007:
i'm selling EU till 1.306xx.my system is screaming sell on the 1hr chart.

fxisreal:
short EU @ 1.3117  sl@ 1.3169 goodluck

Sorry but long is the way to go.

nolly042:
chai i missed the big move

There is always another opportunity and I see one taking shape right about now

Get ready to buy EUR/USD in the next 30mins or there about

@diluminati, there you go again attacking churches.

@crossman9, I have to say your every post is an attack on Christ Embassy Church. May I remind you that despite your misgivings about the church, the church has also helped/changed so many lives and saved so many souls.

The true motive of Val is a good one, problem is it has been bastardized just like many other doctrines/teachings have been bastardized.

Paying first fruits, tithes and offerings to church do not apply to us today cos we live under grace and not under the law. We live in the new testament, not in the old testament.
For detail on how and why such dont apply to us go to: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-863724.0.html

Elijah cursed the children who were making jest of his bald head and a wild animal came out from the bush to kill everyone of them.
My point is a man of God is anointed by God and should not be "touched". If he is true or not is for God alone to know and judge.

zolzlolz:
I meant exactly what I wrote

Now I find that disturbing.

Again, the new testaments started after the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus, while Jesus was physically in this world He was teaching them as those living under the law. There is need to understand this. This is quite evident in "the Lord's prayer" which Jesus taught His disciples.
The Lord's prayer says ", Thy kingdom come" which shows His kingdom has not yet come at the time cos He has not been crucified yet. The Lord's prayer also did not end with "in Jesus name". Again this is becos He had not died and risen. The people of that time were not praying in the name of Jesus becos they were still living under the Law.
However everything changed after the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus.

Blessing comes with giving to the poor and for the work of the kingdom, but people should not be scared into paying money every Sunday by telling them they will not be blessed if they dont tithe/pay offering weekly.
There are many who dont tithe and are mightily blessed cos they give to the needy and for the work of the kingdom, and they do it willingly from their hearts. For God loves a cheerful giver.

xcolanto:
Been stumbling across this topic and felt the need to share my humble opinion, some say where did jesus say give tithes and first fruits in the bible, while I cannot dig such scriptures if ineed there are any, I would like to place the emphasis more on what has been practised over the years as regarding first fruits. Now great men that applied this principle of giving their first fruit to God lived and enjoyed life to the fullest, one of such men is king solomon, that gave his first fruit in terms of offerings and burnt offerings as observed in his time to glorify God and we all are familiar with his rewards as the wisest and richest king that ever lived and would live,  This was also evident in the story and movie of king solomons mines. Also we have abraham who was willing to lay down his son (first fruit) to God as an offering but God saw his heart and let him keep his son. Offcourse till today his name still exists in the lips of men as he was crowned to be the father of all nations. To sum it all up, we have the alpha and omega (God the father) who laid down his son jesus (first fruit) that we may be saved from death (the soul) and given enternal life to all who believe in him. And today we can see the glory of God (his mercies to be precise) in all that we do. Hence its not mainly about where its written or not but observing and studying the word of God to apply the principles that cannot be compromised as long as they are applied with faith in God. Now some of the comments here are sickening because those that don't have strong faith and believe but are willing or do practise first fruit giving would begin to re-consider observing it! Shame

You mentioned Solomon and Abraham, FYI we are not under the same dispensation as them. Jesus did not die for them and they were not under grace like we are today.
Abraham and Solomon made animal sacrifices to God which God accepted, why dont we do the same today just like they did.

Giving is voluntary and from the heart to the poor and for the work of the kingdom, not out of necessity or fear on a weekly basis like many want us to believe. And not paying tithe does not mean the person will not prosper like some like to preach. There are many who dont pay tithes and they are blessed on a daily basis.
Give and it shall be given unto you is the rule.

green pips all the way. Champagne pls!

zolzlolz:
Use bushy anus

What!!!

claremont:
Is Jesus the way because he said he is the way?

Did other preachers (Mohammed, Buddha e.t.c) not also say they are the way?

Is Jesus the way because he supposedly died and resurrected on the third day?

During the time of Jesus's apparent resurrection, did the Bible not say that resurrection was commonplace at that time, so why is the resurrection of Jesus so special?

Is hell large enough to contain over 5 Billion non-Christians?

What does it say about a god that allows 5 billion people to burn in hell, is such a god not evil?

Your words lack every form of wisdom and I pray God gives you wisdom from above to understand.
Where did u see it that ressurection was commonplace during the time of Jesus?
How many people/prophets were born of a virgin?
How many rose from the dead (not were risen, but rose)?
Bible says hell was greatly increased (and that is obviously to accommodate as many who choose to go there)
People going to hell says nothing about God becos it was their choice. Hell and heaven is a choice and I pray you choose wisely.

Jesus loves you and the earlier you give ur life to Him the better for you.

people like @OmoTier1 has been so brainwashed and indoctrinated that it is impossible for them to even consider any other angle. I dont blame her though, it was a battle for me to come to terms with it as well.
When you have been taught same thing all your life, it becomes a battle to undo it and accept a new truth.

Pastor AIO:
I don't see how the splintering of Boko Haram is a good thing for anybody. At least before we had them under one umbrella. Now we're gonna have small guerrilla like factions acting independently, and slowly the whole thing will become more chaotic until nigeria becomes like afghanistan or somalia where each street is controlled by a different warlord. If you chop off one head, then like a hydra many more will pop up to take its place.

It shows there is division and infighting within the group. A kingdom divided against itself can not stand.
The other faction will be more liberal and wiling to negotiate, thereby undermining the other radical sect and perhaps even giving them up.

PA1982:
I have the nerve to say the Bishop's curse is worth nothing, that the reported news is completely independant of of the man's utterances.
And you can be sure nothing at all will happen to me because of that.

I still dont get why you think Bishop's prayers does not work. How are you so sure?

emmanbol:
the standard of the lord standeth sure, we should not use human calculation to explain the things of God
this kingdom is theocracy and nt democracy.
jesus made it known that we shud pay tithes in the gospel when he was explaining hyprocracy of the jews, paying tithes of even vegetables, and other minute things but didnt exhibit one of the important instruction of jesus
we should be careful with d way we respond to question as regards christian issues.
ask for explainations from the holyghost b4 we post here.
it is well

Pls where did Jesus say we should pay tithe, pls I would be so glad to see it. And in case you dont even know, new testament started after the death and ressurection of Jesus cos that is when we were redeemed.
When Jesus was still here on earth, people were still living in the old testament becos His blood had not yet cleansed us. If you doubt this fact, say so and I will give u instances from the Bible.

[quote author=Omo_Tier1 link=topic=863724.msg10137070#msg10137070 date=1328559569]It is obvious you still allow your flesh to rule over you! Why do you allow the paying of tithes, First Fruits and Offerings bother you at all? Did the bible ever say those who do such will end up in the lake of fire? Or will those who choose to do so end up sinning against God? If the answer is No, so why not leave it to those who choose to do it?

It is folks like you who can not open their mouth to preach Jesus the Christ and His saving power to others, yet would come into forums and start topics that you are Spiritually unlearned about!

May God through His Holy Spirit open your eyes of understanding! But let me tell you this: If in 2012 you experience a dryness like you never did in your life, know it is for the purpose of what you did here![/quote]And did the Bible say those who dont pay will not see increase in their lives? So why hammer on it that those who dont pay tithes and offerings will not see increase in their lives. Why are you deceiving people?
If anyone does not pay tithe, leave the person alone and dont condemn the person to a life of poverty simply becos he didnt pay his tithe. Giving to the poor and for the work of the kingdom brings increase into your life, and this is done willingly from the heart, not becos you were scared into doing it every Sunday which is not even in the Bible.

nikky5:
I had a revelation that tithe defaulters will go to hell.This agrees with Mal 3;8-10.They are robbers and cursed Rev 21;27.Ask those who pay tithes and give offerings and they will tell you how God has richly blessed them.The entire word of God must be obeyed. God is wiser than men.He asked for only ten percent of what He has given to you.

Rev 21:27 says nothing about tithes, so why quote it? And what makes you think God does not bless those who dont tithe? The rule is when you give you will receive in multiples, and giving should be to the poor, less privileged and for the work of the kingdom.
It was never made a necessity and I hate the idea of pastors saying you will not be blessed if you dont tithe as if it is in the Bible. Giving should be voluntary and from your heart, that way you will be greatly blessed.

ronkebp:
I don't think we should come here and be judging the pastors, if your faith allows you to pay your tithe, please do, if it doesn't, then don't, but do not lead people astray.

@ poster Tithe paying has to do with obeying God's injunction, if you claim to be really a born-again, then your heart desire should be to please the Lord and obey his commandments and not care about those fattening themselves with the tithes and offering, whatever they do is between them and God ( leave the judgement to Him).

I obey God's injunction which applies to me as someone who lives under grace and not under the law. I obey God and I have made it very clear I dont judge pastors who preach tithes et al cos itz not for me to judge them, judgement belongs to God.

[quote author=Omo_Tier1 link=topic=863724.msg10136444#msg10136444 date=1328554359]Have you asked yourself why God would want them to tithe in the First place? Why would God require them to tithe? The History of Tithe in the Bible can be traced to Abram's meeting with the Angel of the Lord- remember him? One after the order of Mel,   Maybe this should open your eyes abit that tithing is not something of the flesh! It has a huge spiritual dimension![/quote]And have you asked yourself why God would require sacrifices from Abel, Noah, Solomon, Abraham, etc? And I keep asking why dont you keep offering animal sacrifices since God requested it during the days of Abraham.

[quote author=Omo_Tier1 link=topic=863724.msg10136110#msg10136110 date=1328551964]Dear Lord!
The author of this thread either does not know why the bible was written or lacks the spiritual insight into how God's Kingdom functions! First fruits has nothing to do with the old testaments! By which spirit do you study your bible? It is so silly and spiritually immature for people to say they are New testament Christians!  

@issues of Tithes, Offerings, First Fruits.
I do them all and I receive my rewards 'cos I am a Man of Faith! If the Spirit of God truly dwells in you, surely He will teach you these kingdom principles from God's Word and you will not need any man to force you to do them because when you do in faith, you get your reward and it just become a life style for you!

A man who can not give His first fruits, Tithe or Offerings, such a man is never a giver to the core![/quote]

ugosly:
The poster is the type that's always trying to condescend and rationalize the things of the spirit to mere intellectualism,which  I think is spiritual ignorance of the highest order in Christainity.

People like you worship your pastor instead of reading the Bible to know what is expected of you. Do you pay all these tithes offerings and first fruit because it is in the Bible or becos u were taught as a kid it is the right thing to do and becos your pastor keeps drumming it into your ears every Sunday.
When you hear a lie over and over again it starts to sound like the truth. You do something that neither Jesus nor the apostles did or even recommended yet you come here to claim to know the Bible.

Lasinoh:
Are they not 'so-called' Christians like YOU?
The joke is on you and your God honey.
Enjoy!

The Tower of Babel Part 2!

You need help and you need Jesus!

highland:
It is for us and that is why it is in the bible. Everything about God is for his people and no one ease.

If everything in the Bible applies to us then why dont you engage in animal sacrifices to God just like Solomon, Noah, etc did. Why dont you still practice the laws of Moses such as not carving your head and not shaving your beards.
Problem is most people dont even know how to read the Bible, they just ingest whatever they are told.

phxc:
Note to you: The bible is not divided into the Law of Moses and the New Testament

goshen360:
^^^ We have dispensations and ages time in the bible. Can you please tell us how the bible is divided please?

Yes the Bible is not divided and I never said it was. But you need to know what applies to us and what doesnt. Even apostle Paul said the old testament was written for our learning.
If you think everything in the old testament applies to us then why dont you practice the laws of Moses since they are in the Bible (Lev 19), why do u shave ur head and beards since it's against the law as written in Lev chapter 19, why dont you still engage in plant/animal sacrifices to God just like Abel, Solomon, Noah, etc did.

Pastor Kun:
@FXKing2012
But your bishop Oledepo you so much adore, rever, idolise and worship is one of the chief proponents of mandatory tithing in Nigeria. Having studied the bible your self and come to the conclusion that tithing is not applicable to the christian church, what do you make of tithe preachers of which your Oledepo is one? In my opinion such a preacher is either fraudulent or incompetent. Either way such a preacher is compromising the gospel of christ and should not be allowed to preach.

Pls dont say what is not, I do not even attend Winners Chapel. I'm just not the type to criticize a man of God cos it's not for me to judge; judgement belongs to God.

goshen360:
^^^ can we chat online now pls. hit me on goshen360@yahoo.co.uk. Am online now. Thanks

I've added u.

stagger:
Your head no correct. New testament Christian indeed!

Why did you not quote the scripture where Christ said he did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it?

[b]MATTHEW 5:17

New International Version (©1984)
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
New Living Translation (©2007)
"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.

English Standard Version (©2001)
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

International Standard Version (©2008)
"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I didn't come to destroy them, but to fulfill them,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Do not think that I have come to revoke The Written Law or The Prophets; I am not come to revoke but to fulfill.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"Don't ever think that I came to set aside Moses' Teachings or the Prophets. I didn't come to set them aside but to make them come true.
[/b]

Or are you now saying you are wiser than Christ Himself? Better go and read your bible very well. Remember God's warning in Revelation 22 verses 18 and 19. DO not make yourself a tool for the devil to deceive many.

This goes to show your level of Bible knowledge. Now let me enlighten you: Jesus came to fulfill the scripture/prophesy. There are prophesies in the Book of Kings (1Kings, 2Kings, etc) about the coming of Jesus and how He will safe His people from destruction as well as His death and resurrection. There were prophesies about the things He will do while in the world and the things that will happen to Him.
Those were the prophesies Jesus came to fulfill.
Now where does Jesus mention anything about tithes or offerings all thru His sojourn here on earth. Even apostle Paul never solicited for money from any of the churches he founded. Despite his very busy schedule (trekking from city to city establishing churches), he still had a day job as a tent maker which goes to tell me any pastor without a day job is wrong in that respect - that does not mean the pastor is fake o.

I understand if people find it hard to swallow this cos they (including myself) have been indoctrinated/brain-washed for so long that it is so hard to reason outside what you've been taught all your life.
Pls put sentiments apart and base your points on what is in the Bible.

Another 100 Boko Haram members have just been arrested. Thank God for our MOG whose prayers are working to put an end to Boko Haram.

Chimezie198:
^bro I dont toast girlz rather they toast me. Anyways I still have two girlfriends left!

Good for u bro.

musKeeto:
Reduced in what way?
Anyway that's what y'all are famous for. Twisting information by spreading half-truths to prove your lies/prophecies.

Itz the truth and u know it

@crossman9, why do I have the feeling you have a personal vendetta against Chrisy Embassy Church?

phxc:
If I don't believe in hell, will I go to hell?

If you dont believe in gravity simply becos u cant see it, if u jump from the top of a building u will still fall regardless of ur believe. If you believe there are no other planets asides the ones that has been discovered does not change the fact that there are other planets out ther.
Point is your believe does not change the truth.

musKeeto:
Glad you brought that up. Cos the Church was against it then.
And have you experienced it that you claim it exists? If you can claim that, I can also claim mine,

I have heard from the mouths of those who have experienced it and have seen visions, so I have something to hold on to. But in your case you have absolutely nothing to hold on to. You just stubbornly wanna believe it does not exist simply becos u havent seen it urself

musKeeto:
FXKING, it's not a 'loss' to retire. Guess you didn't know those verses were in the Bible before you started this thread,

What verses are u referring to? And pls make sure to read my posts before replying.