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achorladey:
As promised. This is for Emusan

There are religious systems that are totalitarian in their rule. History shows one of the oldest of these to be the Roman Catholic religious system. By its spokesmen the claim is made that the salvation of all mankind rests upon the obedience of everybody to the pope at Vatican City. Because it considers itself to be the only agency for human salvation, that religious system has undertaken the program of world conquest. …Where these totalitarian religionists are in the majority this use of force has resulted in the practice of intolerance; but where they are in the minority they call for toleration
and plead for it and demand it. Just as soon as they get the upper hand, then they abuse their power and position and they themselves practice intolerance and all other methods to take away religious liberty from others. …The totalitarian system, therefore, has to be enforced by compulsion and is at war with all democratic individuality...........The Watchtower announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom, April 1, 1956, page 196


Please compare this and see whether there is any difference.

No matter where we may live on earth, God’s Word continues to serve as a light to our path and a lamp to our roadway as to our conduct and beliefs. (Ps. 119:105) But Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization, his "faithful and discreet slave", made up of spirit-anointed ones, to help Christians in all nations to understand and apply properly the Bible in their lives. Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do." Watchtower 1981 Dec 1 p.27


cc: FxMasterz, Courz, Oteneaaron

God bless Courz for creating this thread. This should serve as an eye opener for all lovers of the Truth.

MaxInDHouse:
Please stop mentioning my name because it's irritating to me, i and you are on parallel lines that can never meet so go and worship your god i've got mine there's no compulsion in having the same beliefs keep yours while i keep mine.
Thanks for your time, goodbye!

Because you want to keep your security job against the security of your soul? What concerns me about the angry demons in you that want to block your access to truth? I'll mention you till you get delivered from the chains of JW or run away from Nairaland. Whereever you run to, you will still be delivered in Jesus name!

Have you seen the attached screenshots? Or you're still daydreaming?

Emusan:
Hypocrisy at its peak!

By contrasting this with the responses on the court proceedings you previously uploaded, they just condemned themselves.

Hope Maxindhouse, janosky, Aemmyjah, Michael547, Cornelboy and all the Deceived out there are reading?

achorladey:
Unity at all cost in the face of lies, dishonesty and falsehoods including false prophesy. Food is ready Janosky, Aemmyjah, Michael547, MaxInDHouse, Cornelboy. Haddeylium long time about Jehovah's Witnesses not being false prophets. See and hear from the horses mouth



Cc Emusan, Courz, Oteneaaron, FxMasterz, MightySparrow

It is an old tactics never to go against their religious organization even in the face of lies. That's why they are defending with everything they have on Nairaland to retain being united in lies and dishonesty. The WALSH case na unchallenged court battle were their leader told their members we will lie to you and you must accept the lie.

The key actors Fred Franz, Grant Suiter, Hayden Covington are as good and far better in rank and status as those they rever as governing body today.

Chai!!!

This is heavy o.

This must make a new thread on its own. Courz and Achorladey, please do us a favour of creating a thread out of this piece. You can type out the Questions an answers for easy reading for everyone. I plead earnestly with you to please make a thread out of this and mention me on that thread.

I was weeping as I read through that court proceeding. I was imagining how many souls these people have sent to hell by continuously forcing UNTRUTH on people on the pains of spiritual death.

The judge was asking the right questions. God bless the memory of that judge. The Satanists JW couldn't even twist the answers. I like the last question and the answer to it the most but ironically, it is the most painful as it shows how many people since those many years have been forced to hell through that false religion.

Maxindhouse, Aemmyjah, Cornelboy, Michael547, Janosky and all the deceived souls still being loyal to the JW cult, when would you open your eyes? When would you earnestly consider the danger your souls are in? When? When? When? Repent now and be saved. Tomorrow may be too late.

Emusan:
This part right here is summary of it all.

Once you can decode their hypocrisy, the rest is easy.

He agreed that what other people says about KJV but will he agree with the same people on NWT? That's the question they'll never answer.

The other one will tell you how KJV is a fraud for inserting the word "God" to 1 Tim 3:16 because it's not found in any manuscripts but ask him if Watchtower is also fraud for inserting the word "OTHER" in Col 1:16-18, as the word was never found in any manuscripts, the tune will change and trying to justify why Watchtower has the right to insert it.

Very hypocritical set of fraudsters. God will punish watchtower and their defenders for lying to the whole world.

achorladey:
And then brazenly go against the very rule they set that they say others don't follow when they go about producing their Bible translations

That's what makes them the best performing organization. SMH.

achorladey:
They say they are the only true religion doing God's will today yet the very same thing they used in calling others false Christians is what they do

To look good they have to denigrate others to a lower level to be seen as been better or above

No one should be surprised. In the occult, you can't rise without destroying another.

Aemmyjah:
I thought you said we don't have anyone that knew Greek or Hebrew? How would you be a translator if you don't know the original languages?
There are 3 criteria in translation of scriptures
You don't know one
You just talk without reasoning


Do you agree that KJV has errors?
If yes, do you agree that translations that are exactly similar as KJV would also contain errors


You're not reasonable
If you are, you'll find out which part of KJV that many other translators do not agree with

KJV themselves confessed in all honesty that they have errors. That's not news to anyone. Meanwhile your NWT translators want us to believe that their translation is the most accurate, so much so that they gave it to you as your only reliable Bible. They never confessed their errors like KJV. Can you see that they're dishonest?

Now, mistakes in translations are not evil in themselves but they become evil when they're deliberately done as demonstrated by your NWT translators. The fact that they deliberately mistranslated scriptures has been proven beyond reasonable doubt. What are you even defending?

How many of your translators know Hebrew and Greek? Tell us their verifiable qualifications regarding these two languages. Courz has reported that one of your well admired translators was asked to translate a Greek verse to English in court. He failed woefully. He couldn't even attempt it.

Your organization is very dishonest. They love to deceive. And it's even annoying that you are here to overlook that deceit and defend it. Shame on you.

Aemmyjah:
Again
We did not manipulate
If you have sense of Greek and Hebrews and Aramaic
Check it yourself and compare for yourself
You'll know whether we manipulate or we chose not to follow the popular, inaccurate KJV like others did which is making your head boil

I have checked several times. The verses quoted here by Courz were not taken from KJV alone. Mind you, it is not true that all translators look on KJV as a guide for their translations. That's absolutely incorrect. If they all use KJV as guide, then, they'll be writing the same things as KJV.

Truth conscious christians don't study with just one version of scripture. We understand that the original languages of Hebrew and Greek are very complex and difficult to translate as most words have multiple meanings. You'll find translators taking one or merging a number of the different meanings a particular word has for their own translations. In the case of your NWT, you'll take a word that does not appear in the meaning of the word in question, abd then use it to replace the original word in order for the verse to falsely re-echo your doctrine. Sometimes, you brazenly even insert a word that does not rhyme with the context of the passage.

Aemmyjah:
Many scholars and critics say the KJV is distorted and filled with contradictions and additions that were not in reliable manuscripts. Only few unpopular translations made the changes.
Is it proper that a translation would say that another older and authoritative translation is filled with errors but you still follow the custom as the same translation?

It is like a guide, a well known guide or map used and referenced by all and many people see that the map is not accurate. Does it make sense that the person that wants to draw a new map should still draw down the same features and everything in the old map while acknowledging that the old map has errors or he has to check reliable documents and data to get a more accurate picture of the landscape?

Days ago, someone dropped a thread here on Nairaland that the Bible is contradicting itself and he cited references but everything was from KJV and NIV such as the age of some kings, numbers of objects, etc... Many known translation showed same errors except NWT and many other translations and it was discovered that the manuscripts from which they were copied from such as the masoretic texts had the errors but other manuscripts were different but they were in agreement so it's likely that the masoretic texts must have had copyist error. So we rather use the information from those ones rather than sticking to one manuscripts
Another reason why the NKJV and the KJV have some differences

Your envy can turn black white

Please go and sit down and stop being a nuisance.

We're discussing your translation against the original manuscripts. What concerns us about KJV? Is KJV the standard?

Should you manipulate just because KJV has errors?

Emusan:
They will soon say this moniker belongs to....

Lol.

Emusan:
You even have time to reply that one!

The fact that, none of the translators involved in their NWT have in depth knowledge of Hebrew and Greek says a lot.

And the most ridiculous part is how they include the FOUR TETRAGRAMMATON in the New Testament when the name does not appear in any known manuscripts in possession today is evidence in itself that alot of manipulation was done in their translation.

Remember, by including the FOUR TETRAGRAMMATON watchtower defined their own rules and the funny aspect is that they still go AGAINST THEIR OWN RULE, without that Jesus being Jehovah would've been proven by themselves.

True bro.

They inserted the Tetragrammaton in the New Testament texts when it isn't present in the original Greek texts.

Janosky, you see your life outside?

That's what happens when you rely on Hebrew and Greek illiterates for your Bible translations. It gets worse when the illiterates are agents of Satan. Demonic manipulations and falsehoods would be inevitable.

achorladey:
Simple, to show that all others are false Christians for going to war and joining politics while they are the only true Christians using lies and manipulations of the scripture to advance that agenda we all know is a lie.

It still makes them to look more mumuistic than I thought.

ccjoe:
Thank you so much@ Courz, FxMasterz, achorladey and Emusan for the good work you are doing. Nice thread uved got here @ Courz. I think any group who emphasizes more on thier organization rather than a living personal relationship with our lord Jesus is making a big mistake. They claim to know God, and yet in works they deny him to the point of manipulating scriptures-that's demonic (titus 1:16). Those saying that God wouldn't endorse war between nations of God's people should read through., judges 20: 12-48. In verse 23 in particular it reads '... And the children of israel went up and wept before the LORD until even, and asked counsel of the LORD, saying, shall i go up again to battle against the children of benjamin my brother? And the LORD said, go up against him.'

These guys know the truth but they love to deceive. Deception runs in their veins.

Thanks for the commendation. We would never allow falsehood to overshadow the Truth in our world.

achorladey:
How many times have we discussed this particular scripture.

We have shown them repeatedly that Jehovah’s witnesses fight and defend against one another up till today and defend against intruders not part of their membership.

The war between the house of Saul and the house of David lasted a long time. David grew stronger and stronger, while the house of Saul grew weaker and weaker

They have stated in their publications that there is no Bible injunction that says one cannot defend himself against deadly arm and aggression

That's what they call truth from the faithful and discreet slave and they are yet going against their own beliefs

Then why are these ones here behaving like mumu?

achorladey:
He knows it is since he cannot counter what has been presented so far

Instead of countering, they prefer to discuss about joining the army. They consider themselves strong on that point.

Aemmyjah:
If you'd tried same to characters in mere human literatures
What is that called


Is the name Jesus Hebrew or Greek?

I wonder why people in advanced age can't use common sense

Abeg, go and sit down.

There was no replacement of the name. Only translations.

So, because you thought the name was replaced, that's why you also deemed it fit to replace many words and verses during your own translations?

Janosky:
2 Corinthians 11 11:23-26 is "brainwashed " to LYING FX Masterz.

23 Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this.) I am more. I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24 Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26 I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my fellow Jews, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false believers"


Oga, how many cannons & swords did Paul use to defend himself against bandits, armed robbers and his assailants @ 2 Corinthians 11:26?

Oga,Come & continue LYING
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Nah you give Paul sword or you buy one for am?

Did Paul fight against any government 2 Corinthians 11:23-26?

Oga no dey deceive yourself.

Paul said he was attacked by bandits and armed robbers. Did he tell you he didn't defend himself against them? Quote where Paul said "I did not defend myself against them."

Here is what Paul said:

"If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die." 1 Corinthians 15:22

The beasts at Ephesus are not animals but humans in animal clothing. Paul defended himself.

ccjoe:
Thank you so much@ Courz, FxMasterz, achorladey and Emusan for the good work you are doing. Nice thread uved got here @ Courz. I think any group who emphasizes more on thier organization rather than a living personal relationship with our lord Jesus is making a big mistake. They claim to know God, and yet in works they deny him to the point of manipulating scriptures-that's demonic (titus 1:16). Those saying that God wouldn't endorse war between nations of God's people should read through., judges 20: 12-48. In verse 23 in particular it reads '... And the children of israel went up and wept before the LORD until even, and asked counsel of the LORD, saying, shall i go up again to battle against the children of benjamin my brother? And the LORD said, go up against him.'

Apt!

Maxindhouse, Aemmyjah, Janosky, Michael457. Your attention is needed here.

Janosky:
Oga,Your claim is spurious.
Pls STOP WAILING on this platform.

You didn't read the screenshot evidences and rebuttals I have done on this thread.

The correct rendition of John 10:33 is 'god' but your Trinitarian mentors REMOVED the evidence in your Bible deceiving you with their man made GIBBERISH.
Can't you see for yourself that 'god' in small letter is at John 10:33, 1 Corinthians 8:4-5 & Acts 28:6?
John 1:1= John 10:33 the word was a god.

Also Your friend made a false claim about Daniel 12:4 in New world translation.
Your Trinitarian Amplified Bible , Daniel 12:4 is outstanding evidence against Courz.

FX,Did you even investigate that?
You did not.

Liar janosky has come again. Let me school you on the bolded above.

In the original Greek texts of the New Testament, there was no distinction between upper-case and lower-case letters. The Greek manuscripts were written in what is known as "uncial" script, which used only capital letters (majuscules) and did not differentiate between capitalizing or not capitalizing words like "God" (Θεός)

This means that the practice of capitalizing "God" or pronouns referring to God in modern translations is a later development for the sake of clarity and reverence in English typography, rather than a feature of the original texts. Early Greek manuscripts did not include spaces, punctuation, or capitalization distinctions.

Therefore, the original Greek Bible did not use a capital "G" for God because it used a uniform script without capitalization distinctions.

Your argument for translating John 10:33 as 'a god' shows the falsehood in your translation. If John 10:33, means 'a god', then everywhere God was mentioned in the Bible should be translated 'a god' since the same form of capitalization is used in all such cases.

This is another proof that your book is heavily manipulated. Translated by ignorant and mischievous men.

Janosky:

Mumu logic of a WAILER


The Jews decimated during the Roman soldiers invasion of Jerusalem were defending what?

Is Jerusalem a Jewish national asset or nah your personal property?

An armed soldier no dey defend himself by doing national defense?

Oga,just dey deceive yourself.

Prove to us that your Bible is not heavily manipulated.

Janosky:

John 17:16 & 1 John 2:15-17

Who are we to save the world heading for destruction?

Jesus Christ is a Jehovah's witness. Matthew 12:15-18. Revelation 3:14.
John 17:16 & 1 John 2:15-17 nah him logic.

Prove to us that your Bible is not manipulated. Stop derailing the thread

Janosky:
You wey wise no see your delusion & false claim exposed by Trinitarians Amplified Bible @ Daniel 12:4.

Diversion tactics.

Prove to us that your Bible is not manipulated.

achorladey:
Is that not hypocrisy? They want to eat and reap from what and where they did not sow

Abi. They think they're wise.

achorladey:
You should know they have their own REAL GOOD NEWS . Captured in their own religious publications delivered to them in the 20th century different from the one Jude talked about.

Hmmmmmm.

achorladey:
Best imperfect organization on earth

I don't know what criteria they used in determining that

Because they go from house to house and don't join the army, according to Maxindhouse. That's the criteria. Very hilarious.

Aemmyjah:
Oga
Is it right for translations to replace the divine name with LORD cos they think it is inappropriate
That's the biggest manipulation of the scriptures ever
Simpleton like you will not ask them why they deviated from the original manuscripts
Your envy don de choke u

Lol. They translated the name, not replace it. 'The Lord', is a translation of the name. Not a replacement.

Even in your books, they translated it to Latin. Jehovah isn't the name in the original language. The name Jehovah is neither Hebrew nor Greek. Don't be ignorant.

It seems your lame excuse is to validate the manipulation in your books by accusing KJV of the same manipulation. If you say your book is not manipulated, provide evidence against the proofs given on this thread.

Why do you guys like doing hide and seek? You don't ever answer any question directly because you know that the right answer is your coffin.

Aemmyjah:
What are you using to judge our books then?
Ur malicious envy


The image below is the preface of the Revised standard version
It acknowledges that the KJV is marred with errors and mistakes yet it follows the KJV tradition, like many other translations to remove God's name and replace with Lord even where the manuscripts had the DIVINE NAME there. Did the translators not also have a knowledge of Greek, Hebrew n Latin?
Who gave them the authority that the use of God's name is no longer appropriate? They'd have lost millions of it was some other books yet we restored it to where they belong and you call it manipulative

You're not serious
Blind, pitiable envious person
Enter a nursery 2 classroom and beg them to say shame on you

Stop asking foolish questions please. I want intelligent questions.

We have told you several times to check your books against original manuscripts. We've told you several times that your translators don't know either Greek or Hebrew. It has been demonstrated here with good authority that your book has been heavily manipulated.

Has anyone mentioned to you that KJV is used to measure your book before you spewed all these trash?

Aemmyjah:
The simple answer is NO

My question, is the authoritative Bibles such as KJV free from errors, additions, distortions of what is found in many reliable manuscripts or not? Yes or No?

Is the KJV your standard?

What's your concern about the KJV? Do you want to use the KJV to measure your book?

You yourself know that you're a liar for answering 'No' regarding the manipulation of your book.

Now, defend this answer by proving to us that the book is not manipulated!

Aemmyjah:
Which Bible is the only true Bible

Is your New World Translation heavily manipulated or not?

Courz:
Let me give you an example of misquoting of Scholars that Watchtower does. Watchtower was trying to explain to JWs in their publication proof that Jesus wasn't crucified on the Cross. They went to quote an Imperial Bible dictionary meaning of cross. In the quote, they selected the part where the dictionary mentioned that the Romans originally killed criminals by hanging them on a stake. Watchtower stopped there and said, See? Even the dictionary agrees that Jesus wasn't crucified on a cross but on a stake. What JWS didn't know is that, that wasn't all that the dictionary said. The quote didn't end there. The dictionary also said that the Romans then changed their mode of killing by introducing a cross beam across the stake and this eventually became the common way to kill even during the time of Jesus. Watchtower ignored this part but quoted the part that favoured their doctrine. Can you see the Fraud? The good thing is the words of Jesus to Thomas already proved that he was crucified on the Cross by saying mentioning the mark of nails, not One Nail but nails on his hands.

There are many other examples of Watchtower selecting quotes of sources that favour them and then ignoring the ones that don't. This shows that anything Watchtower quotes and adds ellipsis at the end, you must go and find that source and read it for yourself to make sure they mentioned everything. Or else, you will be deceived.

This is really serious o! Jesus Christ!

Maxindhouse, Aemmyjah, Janosky and Michael547, please read the above post very well with full understanding. Read the attached screenshots too.

Courz:
The bolded is the reason why Almighty God and Jesus are totally against twisting, adding and subtracting from the word of God. Doing that diverts Christians direction from the road to Life in Heaven. This is why their Bible is dangerous. If God is this disgusted at this despicable act as shown in the verses below, just imagine the looks on his face and that of Jesus when they see JWs go out to preach with those manipulated verses to Deceive people. Why do you think they are rejected all the time when they go out to preach? If their Bible wasn't manipulated, they won't have this high rejection rate. It doesn't ever register in their Brains as to why they keep getting rejected.

Maxindhouse, Aemmyjah, Janosky and Michael547, attached below is the reason why your Bible is very dangerous as indicated at the bolded.

Repent before it's too late.