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Michael547:
So does that mean that in defending my nation with my personal discretion, I can just wake up one morning and with my personal discretion, i just pick up my gun and go to war with you?

Or is there any other way I engage in this war?

If that's what using your discretion means to you, then I'm afraid.

Michael547:
It is a rebellion. So when government say we should go to war, should we kill Christians too or just people of other religions?

Is the government saying you should go to war against Christians?

achorladey:
They were emphatic in saying all other churches were liars and teaching falsehood by interpreting the same Romans 13:1 to refer to governmental authorities instead of Jehovah and Jesus.


It took them years to realise their folly and then correct their mistake to make it fit with other Christian denominations that believe it refers to human governmental authorities

By the time the correction was made. Terrible things that cannot be recovered happen to many of their members

Wow! You know too much about them.

achorladey:
FxMasterz

I have been trying to recall the reason they said they are neutral to war or politics.

It is simply because they lied and said Romans 13:1 was about Jehovah and Jesus not about human government by the time they realise their lies and manipulations many had suffered untold consequences following those lies especially the death of many of their members during World War 2. To cover up the whole issue they introduced neutrality to war and politics only to go the way of alternative service for those who are not willing to go to war

Romans 13 1
"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established."

Lol. They're Jokers. If government says you should go to war and you refuse, is that not rebellion against the authority?

Aemmyjah:
Should a Christian smoke?
Yes or No?

How does not answer the question of whether a Christian should defend himself?

oteneaaron:
Well, the Jehovah's Witnesses have rules of engagement when it comes to making love to your own wife.

Just like their flip flop doctrines, they have been confused on whether it is right for married couples to engage in oral & anaal sex.

In 1974, it was a disfellowshipping offence for married couples.

In 1978, it was no longer a disfellowshipping offence for married couples.

In 1983, it once again became a disfellowshipping of fence for married couples.

Since 2011, they have been vague about this.

For direct quotes from their publications, see this article - https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/oral-anal-sex.php

Imagine a religion that dictates how you should sleep with your own wife!

😁😁

Thanks for this heads-up. This is hilarious. The organization is a joke.

achorladey:
Define persecution and stop peddling your sympathy and apologetics for insurgent and terrorist.

The same politicians were giving God's organization and the better performing performance group in Norway money to persecute them. That's why you are running helter-skelter to get free money that you don't pay TAX to obtain from the same persecutors

FxMasterz more updates for you regarding persecution

You've given him the right response. He should get out if he can't define persecution.

achorladey:
He wants to redefine persecution for you. Na one of his mode of operation. He will tell you that you don't really understand what persecution mean

It's quite shameful when they attempt to defend their falsehoods, they'll end up contradicting themselves and their publications all in an attempt to defend doctrines that are contrary to the Bible.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know the meaning of PERSECUTION?

Perhaps sometime weapon carriers are also persecuted by weapon carriers!

Chai. Is it not a waste of time to be discussing with you?

Please tell us the dictionary meaning of persecution and how it relates to personal or national defence against a dangerous criminal.

Michael547:
So who decides the technicalities and tactics about how we christians are going to defend the nation?
Who are the enemies that we Christians should target whenever we go to war? Are there certain enemies that we should avoid?

So, who decides the technicalities about how we Christians should be climbing our wives? What are the types of beds or mats we christians must use whenever we want to do it? Are there certain room lightenings that we should avoid?

MaxInDHouse:
When they persecute you in one city, flee to another; for truly I say to you, you will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel until the Son of man arrives. Matthew 10:23

Please can you interpret the highlighted in blue as the Son of God ordered his disciples and tell me what they're supposed to do when other Jews wants to DEFEND their nation?

It says, when they PERSECUTE you. Not when a criminal attacks your home or nation.

MaxInDHouse:
You're quoting what you don't understand!

For your information i'm in charge of security during our meetings so instead of quoting the publication the same way you quote the Bible without knowing it's application why not ask me to TEACH you what ATTENDANTS should do in our place of worship?

My dear I understand that your job as the one in charge of security during your meetings is to announce to your fellows over the mic that assailants have arrived, and everyone should submit to them.

Michael547:
My personal discretion for war matter again?

Who decides which war we Christians are to engage in sir?

Who are we to kill in such warfare sir?

The military job is a service to defend the nation. You should rather ask who decides which service you should join.

I think you can also ask from your hypocritical organization. Help yourself to some excerpts from your publications below:

MaxInDHouse:
So what is God's will for mankind today?

Is it to participate in bloodshed throughout the planet in their bid to protect their lives and properties {Revelations 6:3-4} which Jesus has promised is safe with him {Matthew 6:19-21} even when they are killed by unbelievers? John 11:25

The fact that there was no record of Christians fighting to protect their lives in the Bible has killed your arguments so if you're still of the opinion that a Christian can join those training to kill others when their leader said the should be as harmless as doves {Matthew 10:16} keep it for someone else not faithful servants of God who has complete trust in what His Son promised us!

Straight from your own deceptive and hypocritical publications.

achorladey:
FxMasterz this is one interesting point about what they do under attack.

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Why didn't they surrender and leave the kingdom hall for the attacker

Na one of the reason they don't like me putting mouth for their matter be this. They know those points they use to try look holier than thou or being in the right na hypocrisy and lies

One will say all their publications old and present full my brains that I am still attending their meetings self

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/201989449#h=5

Lol. Let them keep deceiving themselves while thinking they're deceiving FxMasterz.

achorladey:
Another one from their publications

And more recently, in the issue of February 1, 1951, The Watchtower considered at some length just what Christians should do when threatened with violence. It pointed out that while in personal matters we do turn the other cheek and submit also to what officials ask of us, this “does not mean that Jehovah’s witnesses do not defend the Kingdom interests, their preaching, their meetings, their persons, their brothers and sisters and their property against attack. They defend those when they are attacked and are forced to protect such interests, and Scripturally so. They do not arm themselves or carry carnal weapons in anticipation of or in preparation for trouble or to meet threats. They try to ward off blows and attacks in defense only. They do not strike in retaliation. They do not strike in offense, but strike only in defense. They do not use weapons of warfare in defense of themselves or the Kingdom interests. (2 Cor. 10:4) While they do not retreat when attacked in their homes or at their meeting places, they will retreat on public or other property and ‘shake the dust off their feet’, so ‘not giving what is holy to dogs’ and ‘not throwing pearls before swine’. (Matt. 10:14; 7:6) So they retreat when they can do so and avoid a fight or trouble. They have a right to appeal and do appeal to officers and the law to come to their help in defense against attack or mob violence.”—Page 75.


Hypocrites

Read the story they narrate that follows.....

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1953602#h=4


cc: Emusan, Courz, Oteneaaron, advocatejare, FxMasterz

They're Hypocrites.

MaxInDHouse:
God's people follow the instruction from Jesus the only begotten Son of God {Matthew 10:23} so they're not running to weapon carriers rather they are running to places where the madness hasn't reach for your information Satan is planning that mankind wipe out itself from this planet {Revelations 6:4} so the only people having the light {Matthew 5:14-16} to see these things are disciples of Christ Jesus the Prince of Peace! Isaiah 9:6

Satan has infused vengeance in the hearts of his worshipers so if anyone kills another they will gang up to kill the killer unlike what Jesus taught his own disciples not to think of revenge that's the point! Luke 6:27-28

All these don't negate the need for self and national defense. Maybe you don't know that you're defending yourself by defending your nation.

Emusan:
You should know them for that, they will never address the topic but diverting on it.

It's really pathetic bro.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus' order is not for everyone so it's the same weapon carriers who believe in using it to resolve issues that will judge themselves as for God's people our own commander has given us order not to to lead in decision making using weapons {Matthew 26:52} so God knows how He handles their case our own is to stick to the orders issued by His son! John 15:14

But you would run to those weapon carriers for help when you're being threatened?

You've not told me why you rejoice at the action of the weapon carriers to wipe out the aggression.

MaxInDHouse:
But Jesus said to him: “Fellow, for what purpose are you present?” Then they came forward and seized Jesus and took him into custody. But look! one of those with Jesus reached out his hand and drew his sword and struck the slave of the high priest, taking off his ear. Then Jesus said to him: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword". Matthew 26:50-52

Peter and his friends were THREATENED he should have used his DISCRETION instead of listening to the guy in the highlighted blue comment!

Please try to reason like an adult. It's getting too much already.

Peter can't take up sword against government. Peter can't use his sword to fight God's will for Jesus at that moment. It was Jesus who told him to keep that sword. Jesus is now helping him to strike a balance.

Michael547:
Are you saying that the warfare Christians are to engage in, is the one that involves only personal danger or threat?

Use your discretion dear.

achorladey:
Where did God say he has to decide which war governmental authorities have to consult him him to fight after expressly giving them the sword to punish Evildoers

That's why same Paul will give an account of himself to God. When they fight illegal wars they are still to give an accounting.

You begin to wonder the kind thought process in their brains

Even judging from the kinds of questions they ask. Not just one of them o. All of them asking the same kinds of foolish question, you'll understand that there's a general brain issue going on among JWs. They emptied their brains into their kingdom halls.

Aemmyjah:
Did Jesus say his disciples should never smoke?
Abi na another logic

Was smoking already invented in the time of Jesus? Or you expect Hik to give instructions about an activity that does not exist?

achorladey:
Thank you

When their kingdom hall was attacked in Germany or attacked anywhere. You see them running to governmental agencies for help


Even when they steal just one fan inside their kingdom hall it must be reported

Lol. They don't run away from their kingdom halls or watch as the thief keeps stealing them dry?

achorladey:
Na lie, go carry Goat for him backyard see wetin e go do to you or cut small Ewedu leaf for im compound and see the insults that follow you and your generation

Lol. You're right bro.

MaxInDHouse:
How are you using your brain?
So you're still living in that age when there is no global communication shey?
Do you even know why rulers today must agree with international relations?
Well it's because terrorizing neighbours is unacceptable anywhere so if the world should know of such no nation will support such a ruler and they will wipe out his entire army if anyone carries weapon to support him.
That's why only terrorists with anonymous leaders does things that's unlawful!

So, who would the world leaders use to wipe out the entire army of such a leader? JWs? Why are you happy that they'll wipe out such a leader's entire army? Why should they defend the victim nation? Are they supposed to defend them? They're supposed to run away, or ask the victim nation to submit their eyes to him in Peace.

Michael547:
Who decides which wars Christians are to engage in today?
Who are those that we are to kill in warfare?

If you are threatened, use your discretion. No one should tell you what to do.

Michael547:
So when did Jesus tell his disciples to engage in warfare?

No one should say what Jesus didn't say.

He neither asked His disciples to join the army nor asked them not to join the army. He left it to the discretion of His disciples because, whether you join an army or not, you're not commiting any sin. Making a doctrine for, or against this issue is falsehood.

Aemmyjah:
In 70C.E, Jerusalem was destroyed
Why did Jesus told his disciples to flee
Rather than fight

Irrelevant question.

Jesus told His disciples to flee because Jerusalem would be undefendable. It would surely fall whether you defend it or not.

However, Jesus never said His disciples should never join the army of their nation. It's all the logic of JW. Not the words of Jesus.

Janosky:
You mean Jesus disciples were "foolish" to run away when Roman soldiers attacked Jerusalem?

According to FXM, Jesus Christ is "foolish" for not instructing his followers to fight & defend Jerusalem.

3 deities worshippers wedded to IBERIBEISM.

Have you read where I said believers are not to fight against government? Have you read the posts enough to see that the emphasis is on national defense and not just self defense. Or you just want to be a nuisance?

Courz:
FxMasterz, please stop answering these people. They are too ashamed to address their manipulated verses so they are latching unto you to find other useless things to talk about. They are turning the thread to War discussion thereby derailing it.

Thanks bro. Honestly, you've done a good job to expose the cult. None of its 3 members of on this forum addressed the issues you raised. They're just busy detailing the thread. Many questions thrown at them went unanswered. I'm only answering them because every post bounces up the thread and allows more people to see the the good work you've done.

Janosky:
Courz WAILING WAILER so fearful & pained that his IBERIBEISM is very glaring like sunlight.

You're not addressing the issues of your manipulated book. All of you abandoned the topic to discuss unrelated matters. Shame on you.