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22jumpstreet:
Just a small video
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DB1JTb7qGwgI&ved=2ahUKEwjyy6ad0_GFAxU2aEEAHReYAi4Qz40FegQIDhAJ&usg=AOvVaw3az8PgCKtdrnMmAvC9TWe5

My friend, I'm not watching a video. It's simple, tell me how you'll prove that the chapter was talking about Hezekiah.

Please, I believe that the chapter is talking about the Messiah. If you say the chapter is talking about Hezekiah, then it also means that you believe the chapter is not messianic. So, there are two questions already:

1. Prove that the chapter is talking about Hezekiah.

2 Prove that the chapter is not messianic.

Meanwhile, I can prove to you that the chapter is not about Hezekiah. I can also prove to you that the chapter is messianic.

22jumpstreet:
You are just flogging a dead horse, The child has already been born when Isaiah was writing. You have not countered that, all you keep doing is making conjectures...
Present your case like an adult...

Proof please. Show me the proof.

There were many children who were already born during isaiah's prophecy. Why is the child Hezekiah? How does that prophecy apply to Hezekiah?

Or should we just take your word for it. That must be because you're the one who wrote the Bible?

22jumpstreet:
Are you this dull ,sorry to say.

The child has already been given (born)when Isaiah was writing...this is simple English comprehension...there is no future terms there..it is in past continuous terms..

Common man...

Ok, show me where Jesus is called those names in the entire gospel stories..from Mathew to john..

I will wait.

You're abusing me isn't it? Just for pointing out to you that Hezekiah never fulfilled any of the prophecy in that chapter? Why are you guys always allergic to the truth even when you cannot defend the lies you're telling? I only asked you to show me how Hezekiah fulfilled that prophecy in any way, your response is to insult me rather than show me why I must believe your lies?

Jesus was God in man's clothing, so as a man, how many people knew He was God to have called Him Mighty God? But when you see the life He lived, the words He spoke and His resurrection, you'll know who He was. Actually, by referring to Jesus as God, we do not mean the physical Jesus. The physical Jesus was fully man in His body, and fully God in His Spirit. Jesus told the Pharisees that "Before Abraham was, I am " Have you ever seen a man make such an assertion?

So, after His resurrection, Thomas referred to Him as 'My Lord and my God!" John 20:28.

In the Book of Revelation, where ever Jesus made an appearance in Heaven in His spiritual state, He was worshipped as God. He was called Alpha and Omega. He was called Lord of lords and King of kings. It was said of Him that "He shall reign forever and ever." Hezekiah is dead, and his kingdom is no more. His kingdom has no everlasting continuance."...Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end." Isaiah 9:7. Only the Messiah can fulfil this scripture. Hezekiah never fulfilled it. Stop deceiving yourself and stop getting angry at truth.

If you have any solid points to convince me otherwise, then bring forth your points without insults. I'm waiting.

kingxsamz:
Very boring and stale. I'm starting to skip all these long, boring texts of yours. 🥱
You said your source was history before, now you're saying your source is the bible. Okay, fine. Quote anywhere in the bible or in history or the so called historical part of your bible where it was stated that only 2 rape cases happened in 4000 years just like you claimed. At least prove you're not making things up from your a.ss, like how you Christians made up your imaginary dog.

Dog, I pointed out that my history source is the Bible . Dog, quote where I mentioned any historical source apart from the Bible. Dog, tell me why you responded that you don't believe the Bible when I told you the history source was the Bible. Was that not why you asked me to quote the Bible from Genesis to Revelation? This dog sha. Was that not the reason why I have been telling you to bring your extra-biblical sources? Are you just now knowing that I said my source is the Bible? You shameless liar! You demented idiot! You're a dog, I don't expect you to have any sense.

But, you see, humans help dogs whenever bones get stuck in their throats, so I'll help you a little, poor dog!

The only 2 rape instances in the Bible:

1. Absalom vs Tamar: 2 Samuel 13

2. The Levite's Concubine vs Gibeans: Judges 19.

Now, give us any third reference of rape in the 4,000 year history of Israel recorded in the Bible. Or give us any other reference you may have, you damned fool!

You're unintelligent and boring.
People discuss comic/fictional characters all the time.
So why did you call me an atheist then if you thought I believed in your genocidal sky daddy?
You see, you're not smart. 🤷🏾‍♂️

It only shows you're a dog. If you don't believe God exists, why should you even accuse a non-existent being? Do you have any sense at all? Oh sorry, I forgot you're a dog. Dogs have no sense anyway. Can you give me references where humans have been passionately debating non-existent
characters? Only dogs do like that . I wouldn't be surprised if you bring references from your fellow dogs. Someone does not exist, yet, the fool accuses a non-existent being of giving a law written in a book he does not believe in. I'm sure you are a mad dog. Have you taken treatments from your Vet? Most dogs are even more intelligent than that.

Okay, so what chance of repentance did the little babies and children of the Amalekites get?
If you can answer that one then you win.
Like I said, you're already starting to bore me as you don't even have the capacity to argue intelligenty and follow through. Provide your source and show me where it states your claim and also answer the question I provided. Simple. At least prove that your Yahweh is not a fuuIish doIt. 🤷🏾‍♂️

Oh, dog, I have given you 2 recorded history of rape events in the Bible. You should bring the 3rd if you find any. The Bible is a book written over a period of about 4,000yrs. The historical accounts are well detailed, and there are only 2 accounts of rape in that 4,000 year history which I have pointed out to tell you how effective the law was regarding this issue. Bring a third issue of rape in that 4,000 year period or bring references from an extra biblical source regarding a rape incident that was not recorded in the Bible. If you can do this, then you have proven that your father is not a foolish idiot even though he gave birth to a rabid dog.

Dog, understand that when God is judging a nation, it affects everyone including children and women. Just like when war takes a nation, it affects everyone including children and women. The kids of many generations grew into wicked adults generation after generation, so there's no guarantee that the current kids won't grow into another set of wicked adults tomorrow. The entire nation is judged because God has watched them for over a thousand years to see what types of kids they've been producing. God wipes off a nation with its kids if He intends to put a permanent stop to their wickedness. 1,000 years is enough time to know what the kids would eventually become. When the king of Amalek was being executed, this is what Samuel said of him:

1 Samuel 15:33
"And Samuel said, As your sword has made women childless, so shall your mother be childless among women."

It was one of those kids that grew up to become a monster that was rendering other women childless. Should God reason like you a dog who would leave more kids that'll grow into another monster that'll do much more wickedness in the earth? A dog would be a dog anyway, it can never understand why humans cut off a tree from its roots.

22jumpstreet:
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Those are all attributes of God...the creator.
He is the one calling Hezekiah, the prince of peace...Isaiah will never use those terms for any man..read through his book. He never said that any where, even for Cyrus the king of persia..

If you read the book of kings, you will see it..I will show you the portion.

Yes, they're the attributes of God. Isaiah wouldn't use it for any man except the Son who was given because that Son was God's Son. God manifested Himself on earth by putting on human flesh. Jews couldn't wrap their heads around this fact but the prophecy cannot be disputed. This is what Isaiah prophesied in clear language as you see in the screenshots attached:

22jumpstreet:
Isaiah was referring to future king Hezekiah who was around 6 years old by that time..He was a son of King Ahaz, who was not a very likable king...

Just read the whole chapter, you will understand the context and it will make
sense to you
Moreover the Jews don't believe in virgins given birth, it is a Greek/Roman concept..

My friend, the future king Hezekiah was never called Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. His kingdom had faded away, it is not everlasting. Or you didn't read that the kingdom of the Character prophesied in that verse was a kingdom whose peace has no end?

Please tell me how many parts of the chapter Hezekiah fulfilled for that scripture to have been fully fitted for Hezekiah. Even Hezekiah himself never saw himself as the fulfiller of that scripture.

[quote author=kingxsamz post=129755064]

Lol, mu mu, post your source. Stop proving that you don't have sense. Post the source to back up your claim. Simple!🤷🏾‍♂️
And I noticed you've been so hurt that you had to resort to copying my insults to you. Are you that duII to come up with something on your own?
Anyways, sorry. It's not my fault that your Yahweh behaves like a dog. No vex. 🙏🏾

Dog, my source is the entire historical part of the book called the Bible. Dog I have told you my source or do you want me to quote the Bible from Genesis to Revelation for you to read through the recorded history of Israel and see how many times rape was recorded in that entire history record? If you have sense you would quote 3 instances from the Bible to dispute my points the same way you hastily went to quote the verse for the Amelekites. I know your head is so empty. You don't know that when a person lays an historical claim, you go into history yourself to dispute him. You're a dog, so I don't expect you to behave like humans.

Dog, your insults don't mean anything to me. I'm not insulting you by calling you a dog. I'm just addressing you by your real identity.

Lol, are you even reading what you're typing? What's all this convulsion for? 😂
You said only three rape cases happened in 4000 years and I said no wahala, post your source, you're now telling me to bring historical narrations of the bible to prove you wrong. What does that even mean? Prove yourself right first now. Why not bring it yourself and show me where it states your claim? If you don't bring that source everybody go no say na mu mu you be o. 😂 So don't fall your hand. I'm counting on you. 🙏🏾

Dog, I have told you my source. Tell us from your own source how the law didn't work, or even use my source to disprove me. Dog, don't be confused. I just told you want to do.

You called me an atheist in one of your posts, so I'm sure you're not that da.ft to know any subject can be debated, either real or not and I don't actually believe in your story book and sky daddy. So stop embarrassing yourself biko. 🙏🏾

Dog, no human alleges incidences he doesn't believe happened. Only dogs do like that. If you don't believe the Bible stories, why should you believe God even gave that law in the first place to be debating it. A dog doesn't have sense anyway. You can't understand why humans only debate issues they consider real and referenced from good authority.

Oh, okay, so your dog doesn't actually give chance for repentance. Or does he? Which one is it abeg? Make up your mind. This is getting boring already. 🥱

Dog, you read in a previous post that God gave the Amalekites over 1,000 years to repent before eventually sending judgement on them. Dog, don't be deceived, God is giving you chances to repent too. That's why you have all the opportunity to display the folly in your rotten brains openly without any instant judgement. Once your cup is full, you shall not escape your judgement too. Dog, take note. I know you won't listen since dogs don't ever take good advice.

22jumpstreet:
It was about future king Hezekiah.

Believe what you will...

It's not a matter of believing what I will. It's a matter of what the scriptures say.

22jumpstreet:
It was about future king Hezekiah.

Believe what you will...

It's not a matter of believing what I will. It's a matter of what the scriptures saysl.

22jumpstreet:
It was about future king Hezekiah.

Believe what you will...

It's not a matter of believing what I will. It's a matter of what the scriptures says.

kingxsamz:

0ponu, you don change mouth. 😂
I thought you said I was pained about Israel's punishment for rapists. I have schooled you and you have changed mouth. It's good you're learning to read and understand before typing, just like I advised.
For the fourth time, how does a group of angry mob in the ancient times who have been given the power to murder people going to ascertain that a supposed consensual sex wasn't rape, given the several cases of rape I mentioned in my previous posts? Answer intelligently and direct. I'm sure you can't.😀
Mu mu can't see the similarity between stoning people for sex and stoning people for blasphemy.

Dullard, how do judges today determine whether a rape has occured before giving their sentences? Except you're blind, you clearly read that they had judges who gave sentences before any execution was carried out. The law was to serve as guidance for the judges to know what sentence to give after investigations had been made. It is not for any mob to execute. There are no mob actions without a sentence. Give me references for mob actions that were carried out without a sentence and I'll consider you a wise man. In your empty head, you thought the Israelites behave like Muslims who mob people without prior investigation and judgement?

Of cause you're a rapist who sympathizes with your fellow rapists in medieval Israel. That assertion hasn't changed. You'll be caught sentenced to life in prison. And if you commit your rape in countries that have the death sentence for rapists, you'll suffer the fate you so much wish for yourself.

That's the same way Muslims feel we're all under their god's law, that's why they terrorise your fellow Christians and stone them over blasphemy. They can wake up one day and decide to waste aII Christians within their reach because they feel they're infideIs who have refused to accept their Allah, and I'll simply use this siIIy response of yours to justify it.

I know you're a dullard, so you wouldn't see how this response of yours does not tally with my erudite response you thought you're responding to. It seems comprehension is a serious problem that turned you into a deceived atheist. I'll tell you again in more simple terms become of your low IQ. I wouldn't mind repeating the same things to you if that's the only way you can get sense.

So, hear this again. God did many beneficial things for Israelites. He then gave them a law and rules guiding a mutually signed covenant. One of the rules is this "I was the One who delivered you from Egypt to take you as a people to Myself. Therefore you shall serve no other God but me. If anyone of you serves any other God, then he/she should be stoned to death. Are you willing to abide by this covenant?" The people answered "Yes, we would do everything that the Lord our God has asked us to do!" After the people agreed, it became a law that any ISRAELITE (not anybody) who served other gods should be sentenced to death. God even told them that if a stranger sojourns in Israel, he can be allowed to serve the God of Israel if he chooses but the Israelites must not serve his god. There's no law that says such a stranger should be stoned for serving other gods! That's a just law because God apparently had no covenant with non-Israelites as at then. The Israelites don't stone people of other nations like the Muslims do. The law was strictly for Israelites. Get that into your head. If you're not an Israelite, the law does not apply to you because God never made such covenant with you.

Now, tell me how that is similar to what the Muslims do. What covenant does Allah have with non-muslims to have ordered them to be killed for not serving him? What benefits have he giving them before expecting them to serve him? In what way has he ever first showed them that he is a might God?

[quote[DuII hypocrite who sees nothing wrong with his god commanding people to stone others to death over sex but thinks Muslim stoning people for bIasphemy are vioIent and barbaric. Mu mu hypocrite. 😂
That's the covenant they made with their Allah, so it's okay for them to waste you people.

Dullard, it was a constitution for a nation to deter them from sexual perversion, and it worked for them! There was hardly a rapist in Israel's history because of that law! A lesser consequence for such action would have had a different result, and a dog like you would still be the first to talk about the morbid result.

You see why I keep calling you an unintelligent duIIard? 😂
What are you even saying?
Weren't you the one who said only two rape incidents happened in four thousand years? Oya provide your source now. Show me where you got your stats from let me know you're not truly a duIIard.

Dullard, my source is the Bible. Fetch at least 3 incidences of rape from the historical narrations of the Bible to dispute my point. If you don't believe the history written down in the Bible, then bring your own reference of history pertaining to Israel where rapes occured for more than 3 times! I would still talk about your dementia that makes you believe what the Bible says about the law God gave Israel but not what the Bible says about the outcome of that law.

Lmao, just because I'm debating your story book with you doesn't mean I believe in it now. Use your head for once na. 😂
What gave you the impression that I believe In the buIIcrap? And you said you're not duII... Nawa.
Come, how old are you sef?
Quote a reliable source that backs up your cIaim, it's not hard nw. 🤷🏾‍♂️

If you don't believe God gave that law, why are you debating what you don't believe happened? Can you see how dull and mentally slow you are? You don't believe the Bible but you believe God gave a law that you must now debate about in the same Bible you don't believe? That's foolishness of a very high order!

Why then are you helpless M0fos praying for your god's intervention? 😂😂
If your dog... sorry, god, cannot help you from terrorists, then of what use is the mu mu?🤭

Dog, not everyone who goes to church is a Christian, okay? God delivers those who are His, except your time has come. And if that's the case, you would be clearly told beforehand, and strengthened for what's coming. I was attacked by a Muslim mob in Ilorin in 2014 at the Ọja Oba market. They had their knives, rods and cutlasses up in the air because they saw me talking to a Muslim lady in the market with a Bible under my arms. It was a very violent mob that surrounded me that day, but The Lord Jesus delivered me. I came out of there unscathed. No single bruise, and I didn't lose either money or phone to the melee. How did it happen? A miracle of course. The Muslims themselves told me "Don't think it was your Jesus that delivered you o. Even that Jesus you say you're serving, we know Him better than you do." I'll share that miraculous escape here someday on this forum. God delivers His people but dogs like you are so blind to know that God hates false worshippers.

Lol, mu mu, no profit but you're still here arguing anyway trying to defend your useIess dog. Abi the wer.ey no get mouth to talk? 🤷🏾‍♂️
You wanted to see a verse where your god asked men to kiII children and babies and I showed you, which contradicts your claim that he gives everyone a chance to repent instead of taking their lives. What chance of repentance did those little babies and children get? 🤷🏾‍♂️
You and FuuIsihnes be like 5&6.

Useless dog, I know you're too demented to see that it was the Law of Cause and Effect that worked in the verse you quoted. You brought a verse where judgement was given without telling us the offence that was committed. And you still have the audacity to talk after your foolishness was exposed. You're a dog anyway, I do not expect anything better from you!

kingxsamz:
[quote[l]Do you see why I said you're unintelligent?
Is my argument about rapists being stoned or is it actually about rape victims being lynched by a mob for what might appear to be consensual sex?
Are you that da.ft that you can't see I'm highlighting how victims of rape could lose their lives to such senseIess law?
Are you even paying any attention? Do you even read, understand and think before responding?

Are you that daft to see that I already proved to you that all rape cases are to be investigated to ensure that the rape victim is innocent before judgement is given? The verse is not interpreted as literal shouting but to show that the victim was forced.

Are you so dull to see that my response to you was based on your attack on the God's death sentence for Israel which you were equating with the Islamic law?

He wants them to repent by asking men to sIaughter children and babies who know nothing? He wants them to repent by asking people to stone others for serving other gods? Do you even know your bible at all?
Maybe the kiIIings he requested for is now different from that of Islam.

God had a covenant with Israel after delivering them from Egypt. It was a mutually signed covenant to which the people consented. The law to kill anyone who served other gods was part of that covenant. The law applied only to Israel because of the covenant. No nationals of other nations would be stoned for serving other gods because God had no covenant with their nation. The law was for Israel alone because God had a covenant with them. That's different from the Islamic law where Muslims are asked to kill people who have never benefited from Allah, nor have ever had any covenant with Allah.

By asking them to stone criminals who commit grievous crimes, He intended to deter the crimes. That was strictly a national law that has nothing to do with religion or God. It was to help humans in administering judgement. All cases are brought before a judge who passes the sentence!

Except you are bent on being stoned to death yourself, you wouldn't go and commit a crime that brings such a sentence upon you! And I showed you the law worked to deter rapists in Israel. Only 2 cases in more than 4,000yrs of history! If that makes you angry, it will be because you're a criminal.

In Christiendom, there's no such sentence because God set the law aside and gave us Grace with an empowerment to naturally hate sin. God wants all sinners everywhere to repent. Meanwhile Islam calls for death sentence if you don't serve Allah!

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Wtf is this? What history is that? I hope you know I don't regard the bible as anything more than a story book for delusional adults? So the Israel in your story book has nothing to do with the one in reality.
Look at this cIown. 4000 years past and only two rape cases occurred, yet these people were given laws against rape. Why? Even you don't believe that hogwash. Focus on what the bible said and stop creating your own version of history. History ko.

Foolish boy, bring an argument to the contrary and show me from the books you believe in, the rape incidences that are more than two you saw in your own history books about those 4,000yr period! You think everyone reasons with his anus like you do? If you don't believe the history recorded in the Bible, bring the references from the ones you you believe in!

Mumu believes the Bible when he reads that God asked rapists to be stoned but the fool does not believe when he reads that there were only 2 rapists recorded in a 4,000 year history. Very dull boy.

Why won't your god deal with the Islamists terrorising your fellow Christians in different parts of the world? Oh, I forgot, your sky daddy is useIess. Maybe it's because the character is a fitment of your imagination.

Foolish and useless atheist. We were already foretold that the islamists would do what they're currently doing in terrorism.

John 16:2
"..and the time is coming when those who kill you will think they are doing a holy service for God.

For your information, God does not reason like your demented self. There are many terrorists who have killed Christians in the past, to whom God has revealed Himself and shown them mercy. Today, they're in the world bringing people to God through their testimonies. Paul the Apostle himself was once a terrorist.

Anyways, here's the verse of your Yahweh doing what he knows best.
Mu mu did not even know his fuuIish, barbarian of a god once ordered for the de ath of babies.

Is there any profit in arguing with a fool?

The Israelites were on their journey to Canaan. They had no business with the Amelekites but the Amelekites attacked them unprovoked. When the Israelites were weary and weak, the Amelekites attacked them from behind and killed many weary women and children. It angered God because God already instructed Israel not to touch Amalek. They weren't among the nations God intended to judge. But they did commit such an act of wickedness by attacking weak and defenceless women and children who were lagging behind in the journey without any provocation. So, God vowed to punish them in latter years. He waited more than 1,000yrs for the Amelekites to repent but they never did before He eventually sent Saul against them.

Deuteronomy 25:17-18 Remember what the Amalekites did to you along the way when you came out of Egypt. When you were weary and worn out, they met you on your journey and attacked all who were lagging behind; they had no fear of God."

kingxsamz:
Having clarified to who based on what? Based on FxMasterz's opinion? Will you see "thou shall not steaI" in the bible and claim it's something else?

How well are the Muslim extremists in 2024 doing in trying to ascertain the innocence of accused blasphemers?
So how do you think it'll be thousands of years ago when women were regarded as mere property? How would they prove their innocence in front of an angry mob? Shey you can see that you're not bright and I wasn't wrong about that?



Mu mu, but your Yahweh literally gave orders to men to sIaughter children and little infants inside your so called holy book. Same book we're debating over people being stoned to de ath (which MusIim folks do). So why wouldn't it be equated to Islamic violence?

And who's talking about Christianity?
Your god was the one who gave those laws, encouraged and endorsed them, so shut up.

Change of post. Where did Yahweh give order to men to slaughter children and women? Quote the places where that happened and I'll enlighten you.

First debate over people being sentenced to death by hanging, firing squad or other sentences in courts. I guess you're a rapist and that's why the death sentence in Israel's law is paining you so badly.

Muslims kill for their god because their god commanded them to do so. The Almighty God wants sinners to repent rather than their deaths. Allah has no room for repentance. If you don't believe in Allah, the law is for you to be beheaded.

God gave that law to Israel to deter crimes. He also instructed them to teach their children from childhood so that their would be no one ignorant of the law. That law delivered its intents as cases of rape were very low in Israel in those days. Throughout a period of over 4,000 years, there were only 2 rape cases recorded in that entire history!

Today, God is dealing with the world and not with Israel. He gave us Grace instead of the law. Fools like you are not only fools. You're also blinded by your foolishness so that you wouldn't even see the danger you're causing to your soul while reviling the One who has your breathe in His hands. You're lucky, God is not man!

kingxsamz:
Lol, Yahweh's children are always like that.
I answered your question and even raised many points which you ignored because you don't have any proper rebuttal.
You have nothing to say so you cIaim they're unintelligent because you wan use style run/ abandon the argument. 😂

It won't take you anything to acknowledge that your god was being fuuIish when he asked people to stone others to death.
And it's always you sky daddy fans who complain about musIim extremism, but turn around to defend the same nonsense in your Bible.
When you finally dle and meet your fuuIish sky daddy, tell him I said hi. 😀

You're quite very dull.

Having clarified to you that the 'shouting' clause is not to be taken literally, but rather to ascertain that the lady did not deliberately indulge in the act. Once that's established, no matter the circumstances, the lady is declared innocent, and the rapist would bear his judgement.

Only a fool would equate Islamic violence with Christianity just because of Israelis medieval constitution. The laws have nothing to do with religion. They were legal constitution for the nation of Israel in helping them administer their country. There was nothing religious about it. It has nothing to do with Christianity. They were just laws for government. You're just too ignorant and have little ability to comprehend issues.

kingxsamz:
Typical Yahweh fan. Ignored the numerous points I raised only to focus on one because he cannot counter the rest. How would they ascertain she didn't take the drugs willingly, In an era where a woman's voice is hardly heard?

The verse is as it says. That's why "the city" and "outside the city" was used to emphasize. And that's because your sky daddy wasn't smart enough to know that rape doesn't always involve shouting, which you also did not know until I schooled you.

Any other explanation outside it is useless.
If a duIIard like your god is unable to condemn rape outrightly, at least he should be sensible enough not to condone or endorse it.
But I'm not surprised, it's the height of fuuIishness the bible character had attained, he couldn't reason properly. 😂

I don't have time for your useless arguments.

If you cannot answer the important questions I asked you but decide to raise unintelligent points, they'll be ignored.

Whether you like it or not, the very day you die, you'll meet the Almighty God whom you're reviling in your foolishness.

kingxsamz:
I'd have ignored but at least make you and your god receive small sense.


Rapists can drug their victims.

Rapists can use their power and influence to subdue their victims.

Rapists can threaten their victims with a weapon such as a knife, in which the victim is forced to comply.

Rapists can take advantage of victims in their care. Like where a man tries to force himself on his housemaid and threatens to throw her out if she refuses or alerts anyone.

In a case where there are more than one person involved, the victim could be easily subdued.

We hear cases of consistent rape in households in the cities all the time which are mostly only uncovered when the victim seeks help or the aggressor is caught with evidence.

Just because one lives in a city does not mean they can be heard. What if it's a big house or an area where the houses are a bit distant from eachother?

One would expect an average person to know all this but because you people want to defend senseIessness, you spew all manner of rubbish.
Truly, your god is duII. If most societies didn't adapt such law, it goes to show how Incredibly unintelligent your god is. You'll probably come up with some lame response to this, but I won't be surprised. Naso Yahweh followers dey do.

You're still very unintelligent.

Even when rapists drug their victims as some do today, it is still a clear indication that the lady is innocent.

The sentence 'If she shouts' or 'If she does not shout ' is more of interest related than literal shouting. The literal interpretation is to determine whether the lady willingly engaged in the action or was forced.

22jumpstreet:
You are the one who those not understand anything..

The child has already been born when Isaiah was writing..so it can't be the jman. And verse 6 actually prove it is referring to a king....a king that will seat on Davids throne ..not a demi god..

So, where's that child today. His kingdom has ended. But the kingdom of the king prophesied is endless. Maybe you don't know that Jesus is a King. Hell sit on David's throne and reign forever and ever.

Now, are you telling me that the said child you're talking about was called the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, Wonderful Counselor as indicated in that scripture?

May God give you understanding.

kingxsamz:
What question? You mean the question about the scenario you created and concluded that's how rape happens every time?
I just told you that rape doesn't always involve the victim shouting or getting hurt and you're telling me to answer a useIess question.
You answer mine. Are those the only scenarios rape can occur?

Answer the questions and tell us other ways rapists get their victims not to shout!

kingxsamz:
Your problem is thinking that rape only occurs when somebody shouts or is badly injured. And I gave an instance to buttress my point which you ignored, along with the other points I made.
It's no surprise that Yahweh supporters reason and think unintelligently like him.
You should even be questioning why people are being asked to lynch and kiII two people for what could be sex/rape. Cus I'm sure if your government made such law you'd call it barbaric.

Answer the questions I asked, and stop babbling!

kingxsamz:
Lol, as if the man wouldn't have the same expression because he was caught. Don't people get lynched for being accused of blasphemy up to this day? Lmao. Does their so called psychological expression save them from being wasted?
The bible says she must be stoned because she didn't shout, and you're here talking about physiological expression. Maybe Yahweh should have thought of that before commanding people to be stoned.
Like I said, rapists would always try to subdue their victim. Don't forget young girls in today's world face the same thing but are too scared to open up to anyone about it. You're only making silly excuses to defend a very unintelligent law when reality states otherwise.

You're surely the unintelligent one.

Tell me how a woman would not be able to shout when her mouth is not covered?

Tell me how people would see a knife or a gun on the crime scene and would not know that the woman was forced against her will?

kingxsamz:
You think in every rape case the victim was able to shout for help?
And how would it be clear? The verse clearly says she didn't shout for help. So her fate is sealed already. Find another excuse abeg.

Everyone would still know she was unwilling. It's not hard to see even from the psychological expression of the victim.

Moreso, there's no way a victim wouldn't be able to shout. A rapist cannot rape you and cover your mouth at the same time.

If she was silenced with a dangerous weapon, the rapist still appears more guilty, and the raped, innocent.

kingxsamz:
So what happens if she was unable to shout for help due to how subdued she was?

How would she not be able to should for help?

Even if she was unable, it would still be very clear to everyone that she was forced and she couldn't help herself. She won't be stoned.

kingxsamz:
Lol, this one saw "rape" and "violated" in one verse and concluded that it's fornication. How convenient. 😂

The verse you claimed is meant to punish rapist is even worse because if the woman is raped in the city and then discovered, she'll be stoned if nobody hears her crying for help. Which means, if the rapist subdues her and prevents her from screaming and then they're discovered, the woman would be stoned for not being able to cry out even though she was actually raped.

And you people claim that your Yahweh guy is wise. 😂

Both the man and the woman would be stoned. If the woman shouted for help, then, she'll be spared, and the rapist alone would be stoned.

Michael547:
So the snake used its brain to deceive Eve?
So an Animal actually made man to sin against his creator?

The snake was just a symbol. The actual personality is Satan.

22jumpstreet:
Look for a proper translation...you will get the gist...not the contraption by King James . Those it makes sense to you now?

Now I see where the confusion is coming from. The Jews are deliberating altering the verse because it doesn't resonate with their expectations.

Look at the screenshot below for the word for word transaction of the verses:

Emm4:
We all know that animals including serpents can not speak the human language. But it is amazing that the writer of Genesis wrote that a Serpent spoke to Eve.

In this article, the author examines if animals had the natural ability to speak the human language in Eden and what actually happened that made them stop speaking. This article is worth reading and sharing:
https://theskynow.com/2024/04/24/did-serpents-have-the-ability-to-speak-before-the-fall-in-eden/

Do animals communicate among themselves? Yes!

Is it possible in the beginning that Man and Animals could understand one another before the line of communication was broken? Yes!

Was the whole world not speaking the same language before the line of communication was broken? Men may not understand each other's dialects as of today but they did millennials ago.

Man and Animals may not understand one another today but they did millennials ago. Even today, trained dogs do understand human communication.

Animals don't necessarily need to have the ability to speak the human language before commotion can occur. It's high probability that man used to understand the language of animals.

chopnaira:
The book below.

Thanks very much.

Make I downloaded am sharp sharp.

nairalanda1:
And I am afraid, I don;t believe you. I may be wrong, but then again...I can't ask you to bring proof, because confidentiality

Good afternoon.

The child herself is proof of what I'm saying.

My father named her Surprise because of the circumstances surrounding her birth. I'm over 30yrs older than her.

nairalanda1:
I believe she was probably still ovulating , and also seeing her period as well....

Anyway.....

I told you she stopped seeing her periods 10 years prior.

nairalanda1:
Well, ye don't have to be vehement.



It's likely IVF...still doesn't make it a bad thing.


Menopause can last till 55 years maximum. It does not start until 12 months past the last period. If momma was seeing her period till 55 , she could have gotten preggers at 54..



And that's great .



Well, IVF is not that easy. People go through several cycles before they get successful. Being able to have a succesful IVF , with all the wahala...is something to give thanks to God for, along with thanks for creating the brains, ideas and people who made it possible.

My mum's menopause started very early while she was 40+. She didn't do menses again for more 10yrs before the conception.

chopnaira:
You would have to go and download Basden's book yourself 😂

Alright. Thank you.

What's the book title please?

nairalanda1:
IVF and hormones makes it so.

Here is how it probably went...she probably got some of her eggs stored years ago, and every now and then tried IVF with her hubby, and it worked after several rounds.

The world record is 69 years old , by one indian woman. (Yes, she was severely criticised for doing so).

(Just checked, she was 73.)

Lies.

If it was IVF, the woman would have said it!

My mum had 3 boys and 2 girls. She stopped giving birth in 1988. I am the firstborn but long after she had already passed menopause, at the age of 54, she got pregnant again at a time when I was already preparing for marriage in 2010. Me, her first born was well passed 30yrs at the time.

She wasn't looking for a child, so there was no IVF involved but she got pregnant anyway and delivered a bouncing baby girl who is now growing rapidly.

You guys should give glory to God whenever He does the unthinkable and stop attributing every conception miracle to IVF.