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MaxInDHouse:
You're quoting what you don't understand!

For your information i'm in charge of security during our meetings so instead of quoting the publication the same way you quote the Bible without knowing it's application why not ask me to TEACH you what ATTENDANTS should do in our place of worship?

My dear I understand that your job as the one in charge of security during your meetings is to announce to your fellows over the mic that assailants have arrived, and everyone should submit to them.

Michael547:
My personal discretion for war matter again?

Who decides which war we Christians are to engage in sir?

Who are we to kill in such warfare sir?

The military job is a service to defend the nation. You should rather ask who decides which service you should join.

I think you can also ask from your hypocritical organization. Help yourself to some excerpts from your publications below:

MaxInDHouse:
So what is God's will for mankind today?

Is it to participate in bloodshed throughout the planet in their bid to protect their lives and properties {Revelations 6:3-4} which Jesus has promised is safe with him {Matthew 6:19-21} even when they are killed by unbelievers? John 11:25

The fact that there was no record of Christians fighting to protect their lives in the Bible has killed your arguments so if you're still of the opinion that a Christian can join those training to kill others when their leader said the should be as harmless as doves {Matthew 10:16} keep it for someone else not faithful servants of God who has complete trust in what His Son promised us!

Straight from your own deceptive and hypocritical publications.

achorladey:
FxMasterz this is one interesting point about what they do under attack.

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Why didn't they surrender and leave the kingdom hall for the attacker

Na one of the reason they don't like me putting mouth for their matter be this. They know those points they use to try look holier than thou or being in the right na hypocrisy and lies

One will say all their publications old and present full my brains that I am still attending their meetings self

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/201989449#h=5

Lol. Let them keep deceiving themselves while thinking they're deceiving FxMasterz.

achorladey:
Another one from their publications

And more recently, in the issue of February 1, 1951, The Watchtower considered at some length just what Christians should do when threatened with violence. It pointed out that while in personal matters we do turn the other cheek and submit also to what officials ask of us, this “does not mean that Jehovah’s witnesses do not defend the Kingdom interests, their preaching, their meetings, their persons, their brothers and sisters and their property against attack. They defend those when they are attacked and are forced to protect such interests, and Scripturally so. They do not arm themselves or carry carnal weapons in anticipation of or in preparation for trouble or to meet threats. They try to ward off blows and attacks in defense only. They do not strike in retaliation. They do not strike in offense, but strike only in defense. They do not use weapons of warfare in defense of themselves or the Kingdom interests. (2 Cor. 10:4) While they do not retreat when attacked in their homes or at their meeting places, they will retreat on public or other property and ‘shake the dust off their feet’, so ‘not giving what is holy to dogs’ and ‘not throwing pearls before swine’. (Matt. 10:14; 7:6) So they retreat when they can do so and avoid a fight or trouble. They have a right to appeal and do appeal to officers and the law to come to their help in defense against attack or mob violence.”—Page 75.


Hypocrites

Read the story they narrate that follows.....

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1953602#h=4


cc: Emusan, Courz, Oteneaaron, advocatejare, FxMasterz

They're Hypocrites.

MaxInDHouse:
God's people follow the instruction from Jesus the only begotten Son of God {Matthew 10:23} so they're not running to weapon carriers rather they are running to places where the madness hasn't reach for your information Satan is planning that mankind wipe out itself from this planet {Revelations 6:4} so the only people having the light {Matthew 5:14-16} to see these things are disciples of Christ Jesus the Prince of Peace! Isaiah 9:6

Satan has infused vengeance in the hearts of his worshipers so if anyone kills another they will gang up to kill the killer unlike what Jesus taught his own disciples not to think of revenge that's the point! Luke 6:27-28

All these don't negate the need for self and national defense. Maybe you don't know that you're defending yourself by defending your nation.

Emusan:
You should know them for that, they will never address the topic but diverting on it.

It's really pathetic bro.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus' order is not for everyone so it's the same weapon carriers who believe in using it to resolve issues that will judge themselves as for God's people our own commander has given us order not to to lead in decision making using weapons {Matthew 26:52} so God knows how He handles their case our own is to stick to the orders issued by His son! John 15:14

But you would run to those weapon carriers for help when you're being threatened?

You've not told me why you rejoice at the action of the weapon carriers to wipe out the aggression.

MaxInDHouse:
But Jesus said to him: “Fellow, for what purpose are you present?” Then they came forward and seized Jesus and took him into custody. But look! one of those with Jesus reached out his hand and drew his sword and struck the slave of the high priest, taking off his ear. Then Jesus said to him: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword". Matthew 26:50-52

Peter and his friends were THREATENED he should have used his DISCRETION instead of listening to the guy in the highlighted blue comment!

Please try to reason like an adult. It's getting too much already.

Peter can't take up sword against government. Peter can't use his sword to fight God's will for Jesus at that moment. It was Jesus who told him to keep that sword. Jesus is now helping him to strike a balance.

Michael547:
Are you saying that the warfare Christians are to engage in, is the one that involves only personal danger or threat?

Use your discretion dear.

achorladey:
Where did God say he has to decide which war governmental authorities have to consult him him to fight after expressly giving them the sword to punish Evildoers

That's why same Paul will give an account of himself to God. When they fight illegal wars they are still to give an accounting.

You begin to wonder the kind thought process in their brains

Even judging from the kinds of questions they ask. Not just one of them o. All of them asking the same kinds of foolish question, you'll understand that there's a general brain issue going on among JWs. They emptied their brains into their kingdom halls.

Aemmyjah:
Did Jesus say his disciples should never smoke?
Abi na another logic

Was smoking already invented in the time of Jesus? Or you expect Hik to give instructions about an activity that does not exist?

achorladey:
Thank you

When their kingdom hall was attacked in Germany or attacked anywhere. You see them running to governmental agencies for help


Even when they steal just one fan inside their kingdom hall it must be reported

Lol. They don't run away from their kingdom halls or watch as the thief keeps stealing them dry?

achorladey:
Na lie, go carry Goat for him backyard see wetin e go do to you or cut small Ewedu leaf for im compound and see the insults that follow you and your generation

Lol. You're right bro.

MaxInDHouse:
How are you using your brain?
So you're still living in that age when there is no global communication shey?
Do you even know why rulers today must agree with international relations?
Well it's because terrorizing neighbours is unacceptable anywhere so if the world should know of such no nation will support such a ruler and they will wipe out his entire army if anyone carries weapon to support him.
That's why only terrorists with anonymous leaders does things that's unlawful!

So, who would the world leaders use to wipe out the entire army of such a leader? JWs? Why are you happy that they'll wipe out such a leader's entire army? Why should they defend the victim nation? Are they supposed to defend them? They're supposed to run away, or ask the victim nation to submit their eyes to him in Peace.

Michael547:
Who decides which wars Christians are to engage in today?
Who are those that we are to kill in warfare?

If you are threatened, use your discretion. No one should tell you what to do.

Michael547:
So when did Jesus tell his disciples to engage in warfare?

No one should say what Jesus didn't say.

He neither asked His disciples to join the army nor asked them not to join the army. He left it to the discretion of His disciples because, whether you join an army or not, you're not commiting any sin. Making a doctrine for, or against this issue is falsehood.

Aemmyjah:
In 70C.E, Jerusalem was destroyed
Why did Jesus told his disciples to flee
Rather than fight

Irrelevant question.

Jesus told His disciples to flee because Jerusalem would be undefendable. It would surely fall whether you defend it or not.

However, Jesus never said His disciples should never join the army of their nation. It's all the logic of JW. Not the words of Jesus.

Janosky:
You mean Jesus disciples were "foolish" to run away when Roman soldiers attacked Jerusalem?

According to FXM, Jesus Christ is "foolish" for not instructing his followers to fight & defend Jerusalem.

3 deities worshippers wedded to IBERIBEISM.

Have you read where I said believers are not to fight against government? Have you read the posts enough to see that the emphasis is on national defense and not just self defense. Or you just want to be a nuisance?

Courz:
FxMasterz, please stop answering these people. They are too ashamed to address their manipulated verses so they are latching unto you to find other useless things to talk about. They are turning the thread to War discussion thereby derailing it.

Thanks bro. Honestly, you've done a good job to expose the cult. None of its 3 members of on this forum addressed the issues you raised. They're just busy detailing the thread. Many questions thrown at them went unanswered. I'm only answering them because every post bounces up the thread and allows more people to see the the good work you've done.

Janosky:
Courz WAILING WAILER so fearful & pained that his IBERIBEISM is very glaring like sunlight.

You're not addressing the issues of your manipulated book. All of you abandoned the topic to discuss unrelated matters. Shame on you.

Janosky:
Who told you that the principle Jesus taught Peter & his followers is "brainwashed?"



Oga,I'm interested to see your Bible evidence of this your claim.
Please provide evidences from your Bible, let me verify & confirm that an Israelite king were victorious in war "without consulting God. "

Thanks.[/b]



Did Jesus teach his followers to rebel to rebel against any government?
Why would you expect him to instruct the Roman soldiers to abandon their job?


Carry your faulty logic outta here.
Is 1 Corinthians 11:23-27 in your Bible?
Bros I challenge you to provide evidence of the dangers that Paul used his sword to defend himself.
OR:
Just continue to enjoy your WAILING.

1. Read 2 Kings 14 and see how Jehoash an unfold King of Israel had military exploits.

2. There's no points you've made that has solid biblical backing. You've been brainwashed.

3. Jesus didn't teach His disciples to rebel against authority, neither did He teach His disciples never to join a nation's army.

4. Paul can't use his sword to defend himself against government. The challenge is illogical.

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly what JWs will do!
We will surrender and serve anyone who has proved to be greater instead of fighting to make someone great when we know that only Jesus is the King of Kings!

You will surrender even if you're asked to submit one of your two eyes as a condition. Remember that's what the king Ammon demanded for the people of Jabesh-gilead in the days of Saul.

Are you aware that some war mongers don't care about your surrender. They want to wipe you out. Keep fooling yourself.

Aemmyjah:
Ok na
Carry gun and go and kill your brothers in the name of defending your country
War no de end

Okay na. Fold your arms, don't defend yourself when an attacker attacks your country. Foolish people will never finish in this world.

MaxInDHouse:
With this it's now obvious that you're just out to deceive yourself!

Aren't Boko Haram politicians?
Well if you must know POLITICIANS are people who come to you as if they're for your good but inwardly they just want to drain your pocket and dominate you. Once they're able to brainwash some of your people to become their guards the next thing is forcing their opinions on you using weapons to threaten whoever opposes them. 1Samuel 8:10-18
Jesus commanded only his own disciples that is people who surrendered themselves to his orders so no force or weapons is involved and anyone is free to take his leave if you're no longer comfortable with his ideas! John 6:66

That's exactly what Jehovah's Witnesses are doing, you come freely and you're also free to take your leave nobody will force you to continue obeying the rules!

Boko Haram is doing exactly what JW is doing. They are as good as JW organization. Boko Haram must be commended for doing the work of the god of JW. Case closed.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ the same thing that happened to Jericho is what the inhabitants of Gideon experienced but they acted wisely by surrendering to Israelites telling them they're ready to do whatever the Israelites says! Joshua 9:1-27

Which inhabitants of Gideon are you talking about? Gibeon my dear, not Gideon.

This is what the Gibeonites said when Joshua queried them:

They answered Joshua, “Because it was told to your servants for a certainty that the Lord your God had commanded his servant Moses to give you all the land and to destroy all the inhabitants of the land from before you—so we feared greatly for our lives because of you and did this thing."

They did it in defense of their lives, just like Rahab. Bring another scripture.

Do you know why they remain alive?

Because there was no human ruler to lead the people like zombies to their early graves had it been they had someone who wants to keep his position as their king like the people of Jericho they would have been gathered like chickens and get slaughtered by the Israelites.

A word is enough for the wise!

No, they were sent to the Israelites by their rulers. The Bible even said that Gibeon was a mighty city among the cities of the Amorites. It was a highly respected and feared kingdom.

Joshua 10:1-2
"Now Adoni-Zedek king of Jerusalem heard that Joshua had taken Ai and totally destroyed[a] it, doing to Ai and its king as he had done to Jericho and its king, and that the people of Gibeon had made a treaty of peace with Israel and had become their allies. 2 He and his people were very much alarmed at this, because Gibeon was an important city, like one of the royal cities; it was larger than Ai, and all its men were good fighters."

Stop lying against the Word of God to defend your false doctrines. Jesus preached to Soldiers and this is what He told them:

Luke 3:14
"Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?”

He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely—be content with your pay."

Jesus said they should continue with contentment with their salaries. He didn't ask them leave the army.

Aemmyjah:
What happened to the Israelites when they went to fight without God instructions


Is the current GCFR God's representative like Moses, Joshua, David, etc?


When Peter brought out sword, it was cos of the injustice he saw that his master was about to be arrested. What did Jesus do? How many people did Peter kill after then?

My friend go and sit down. Stop all these attempts to twist scriptures. Are you talking to kids? If your organization has brainwashed you to this level, you can not infect us.

Israel fought to defend themselves and had to consult God because the nation was a theocracy. Has God ever told them to dismantle their armies and never go to war? There were several kings in Israel who fought wars without consulting God, and yet they returned victorious. It's all in the Bible.

Jesus asked Peter to put down his sword because it was not appropriate to use it at the time:

1. Don't use the sword against government. That's what Peter was doing. Jesus was against that.

2. Don't use the sword to fight against God's will. That was was Peter was doing. It was God's will for Jesus to be arrested and crucified.

Meanwhile, it was Christ who advised Peter to keep that same sword he wielded that day. Christ taught him how to balance the issues relating to self defense in that episode.

Jesus preached to Soldiers in His days:

Luke 3:14

"Soldiers also asked him, "And we, what shall we do?" And he said to them, "Do not extort money from anyone by threats or by false accusation, and be content with your wages."

Did Jesus condemn the soldiers for their profession? He even asked them to continue collecting their salaries with contentment.

Aemmyjah:
Ok na
Unlike Israel and Jericho, which country is God giving instructions to go and fight today.

You mean God has to give you instructions to defend yourself before you do?

The same Peter that Jesus warned to lay down his sword cos all those who fight with the sword will perish with it is the same Peter that won't tell him what to do with the sword?
De play

That's the same Peter Christ told to buy sword after selling his garment. The same Peter who Christ in who whose presence Christ said if He were an early ruler, His servants would fight.

Aemmyjah:
U be confam olodo
Who's talking about politicians?
Na wuna de insult us for not voting in your corrupt, oppressive politicians cos of neutrality
If soldiers focus on them is not my problem cos the military regime was equally bad


Soldier, soldier, soldiers
Now, there's, ESN, IPOB, ISWAP, UNKNOWN GUNMEN, HOODLUMS, BANDITS, KIDNAPPERS, HERDSMEN, the list is endless... Kidnapping was a term used to refer to young goats in those days, later young children... Now, villagers, school children are being kidnapped
Nigeria is well defended as we can see
Yet, na you wise pass

You're such an irredeemable nuisance.

If there are no violent and criminal elements and warmongers, there'll never be the need for soldiers. The whole world was living at peace with themselves until unscrupulous elements arose in the society which gave birth to the need to raise military defenses.

It is a sign of mental decay for anyone to reason that the emergence of soldiers gave rise to the emergence of kidnappers, etc. How can anyone be so mentally damaged?

If every warmonger and criminal element in the world turn new leaves today and become law abiding, even every military formation worldwide would be dismantled. It seems they also give you some injections in that your JW that makes you guys reason abnormally. No offence please. Just stating the fact as it is. I can't understand why a full blown adult would be reasoning like a cock.

MaxInDHouse:
Defending oneself totally differs from fighting in support of a ruler!

In the Bible we have lots of examples that we can learn from for instance during the time of Jericho the Israelites were the one attacking the city and it's written that God is supporting Israel to take over the territory. Back then there were people in Jericho who chose to fight in support of their own preferred ruler not because of their families (note that) Rahab also was an inheritant of that same city with her own families but instead of fighting against God's will she decided to support God's people with everything she had that was what saved her and her family from being wiped out.

My dear, even if JW has fed you with the nonsense you're telling me to take note of at the bolded, should you not use your own senses?

A people (Israelites) are coming to attack a town (Jericho), and you're saying the men in Jericho were fighting for their ruler, not their families. Would the attackers attack only the ruler? Please reason like a mature man now. Should you fill your head with gibberish just because someone said you should do so?

Even Rahab herself did what she did, not because of God but because of her family. She didn't know God at the time but she knew that the Israelites had an upper hand against her city, so it was just wise to broker peace with them. Here what she said:

"Before the men lay down, she came up to them on the roof and said to the men, “I know that the Lord has given you the land, and that the fear of you has fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land melt away before you. For we have heard how the Lord dried up the water of the Red Sea before you when you came out of Egypt, and what you did to the two kings of the Amorites who were beyond the Jordan, to Sihon and Og, whom you devoted to destruction. And as soon as we heard it, our hearts melted, and there was no spirit left in any man because of you, for the Lord your God, he is God in the heavens above and on the earth beneath. Now then, please swear to me by the Lord that, as I have dealt kindly with you, you also will deal kindly with my father's house, and give me a sure sign that you will save alive my father and mother, my brothers and sisters, and all who belong to them, and deliver our lives from death.”

Just read the bolded above, you'll understand the reason why Rahab acted the way she did.

Today all the nations fighting are doing so in support of human rulers none is defending anything it's a deceit!
The politicians you claim are your rulers today only want you to die for them and their families if the president of Cameroun or Togo or Niger or Republic of Benin wants to start controlling Nigeria today what the Nigerian politicians will tell you to brainwash you into sticking out your neck for them is "we need to defend our families" but the truth is they want you to fight for them so they can continue ruling over you!

Balderdash!

That's another hogwash. You mean Zelensky is fighting Russia so that he can continue ruling over the souls of Ukrainians?

Hilarious!

What sort of reasoning is this? Mr man, you've become almost irredeemable. Only Jesus can save you.

So Jesus made it clear to his disciples that it was before that worshipers of God need to fight and defend Jerusalem because that's the place where God chose for His name to be called but after he has come there is no such place again {John 4:23-24}

So, it was only Jerusalem God allowed the Israelites army to defend? SMH.

Saul the first king of Israel fought his FIRST BATTLE to defend Jabesh-gilead, not Jerusalem. The FIRST BATTLE David led was done from his enclave while hiding away from Saul. That battle was fought to defend Keilah, not Jerusalem.

God, wants people to defend themselves, not just Jerusalem. His principles have not yet changed.

from that day faithful servants of God realized that they don't have to fight in support of any nation again whoever wants to rule is none of our business all what we need is freedom to continue preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom that's coming to wipe out all human government! Daniel 2:44

So if someone tells you that you should fight to defend yourself and family ask the person who is coming to attack you? and for what reason is the attackers coming? because you're not fighting in support of any ruler whoever is coming should only grant you the freedom to preach and teach about God's Kingdom.

That's what Jehovah's Witnesses are doing!

It doesn't make sense my dear. No sense it this at all. Read your post again. When an attacker is coming against your country, he's not there to attack just your ruler. He's there to attack you with an aim either to kill you or take away your freedom. Adolph Hitler for example wanted to take away everyone's freedom and put them all under the oppressive rule of Germany. Imagine what would have happened to the world if everyone was a JW?

You've failed to answer my pertinent question:

Did Peter ask Cornelius or any other soldier in that meeting to lay down their swords just because they've become believers?

MaxInDHouse:
Boko Haram are fighting to take over power from those ruling for sure but if they're allowed to rule you will see their ruler and they will set up their own judicial system that will favor their subjects.
All politicians are terrorists it's when they're in power ruling over you that they come with the face of sheep but inwardly they're all wolves. Matthew 7:15
So think well before you stick out your neck for humans whom you don't even know their real intentions! Psalms 146:3

Balderdash!

It's seems you have a soft spot for Boko Haram. That must be because they're like JW organization. Boko Haram wants to set up its rulers like the JW rulers. If they're allowed to rule, we'll see their rulers the same way we're seeing the JW rulers.

So, now all politicians are terrorists but Boko Haram is not. Boko Haram is a good organization similar to JW organization. Shekau is just like Russel. The fighters in Boko Haram are just like Maxindhouse and Aemmyjah. No difference.

The soldiers should focus on the politicians and leave Boko Haram alone. Boko Haram is doing the work of the god of JW. Politicians are the enemies.

May God never allow foolishness visit my abode.

Aemmyjah:
Answer my question
There were no soldiers when Boko Haram came
Yes or No

I don't answer unintelligent questions. It's like asking if there were no police before armed robbers emerged.

Soldiers are not there to prevent the emergence of Boko Haram. They're there to defend the country against any form of aggression - currently emerging or future emergences.

What type of foolish question is that? I'm sorry for using that word but I just have to call a spade a spade.