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achorladey:
You see what I noticed again after reading it is the bold.....

They love their money more than anything. Any other thing can be thrown under the bus not the money. They will seek best of the best to defend and save their money.

I noticed it at first glance. The financial side was an emphasis for me. They don't want to spend. They're looking for mumus whom they'll use while promising them imaginary heavenly benefits.

These ones will complete University education, become regular pioneers, circuit overseers and climb their platforms to discourage others about what they did successfully and even sponsor their own children to go to university while discouraging the children of members placed under their authority

Can you imagine? It's like what most African kings did in those days. They were discouraging their townsmen from sending their kids to the white man's schools so that they'll not have shortage of farm labourers. Meanwhile, the kings were sending their princes to schools secretly. Some princes were even secretly sent abroad.

Wicked hypocrites.

achorladey:
Abi ooooo

They will even go after the best of the best in those they call false Christians to help them solve their predicament.

Then when they're threatened, they'll also call for law enforcements agents and force men whom they say are unscriptural to come defend them.

achorladey:
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Wicked men are looking for highly skilled and educated attorneys to help defend them in their various court litigations around the world where they're being tried for various levels of criminalities. They even want spiritually filled and highly educated attorneys. Meanwhile they've discouraged their members from attaining such education. Useless and stingy old men. They don't want to pay for lawyers again, they're looking for mumus whom they can use for almost free, and who'll also help keep their dirty secrets.

Maxindhouse, Aemmyjah, Cornelboy, Janosky and Michael547 would gladly apply. Oh, I forgot they didn't go to school, and their children only have SSCE.

achorladey:
Love the use of subtly whereas when they are in trouble or need some certain things to hp after the best in those fields of study or specialisation

Can you imagine? Those best people in those fields of specialization are not heavenly minded?

Aemmyjah:
You're not serious
You wan debate me?

Who are you that I cannot debate you? What do you make of yourself? You must be very arrogant!

After you said everything was Mark error?

Because that's exactly what Mark said. If Mark has said the right thing, there'll be no need for the use of the word 'Hermeneutical SOLUTION'

Look at the screenshot below
The notion of in the days of Abiathar
was only an idea based on epi same as in the account of... The the former was chosen... So stick to the idea of Mark made an error and I stay with mine

'In the time of' is not a notion but another MEANING of epi. epi also means 'in the time of', it also means 'during'. While 'on account of' is a notion and not another meaning for epi.

I have shown you AI screenshots that tells you that epi means 'During' and 'in the time of'. epi does not mean 'on account of' - that's just an 'Hermeneutical SOLUTION'. An idea I wouldn't buy.

AbuTwins:
Of course we would require perfection from it since you guys erroneously call it the word of God! You guys are fond of using an independent verse elsewhere to corroborate what it's not meant to relate with when they were written.

For example, Mark's mistake is scripture!
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness 2 Timothy 3:16.

Correct. The Bible is the WORD of God. Not the WORDs of God. Get it?

It has a message. And that message is the WORD of God.

God's message can be conveyed through any vessel.

What is Jesus's name? Was his name ever Jesus?

Jesus is English. Hope you know? The Jesus in your quran is a fake Jesus.

Abeg! this is clear! It is like newspapers where there can be one source for a new but slightly different things are published. Some publishers may get other sources to corroborate the major source they got earlier! It is similar!

Abu, also called antichristian, the point is that all three reported an event for which Mathew was actually a witness. They don't necessarily have to copy anyone before writing. Mark had his accounts from eye witnesses, Mathew was an eye witness. Luke had his accounts from eye witnesses too. If the accounts really occured, they'll write the same things with slight human differences in perspective but they'll record the same event. No need to copy. If you're saying that newspapers copy from same source, you're equally saying that newspapers don't ever have eye witnesses for any account. Are you an illiterate? Or you're just being a nuisance?

You asked for evidence and i gave you just one! It is common knowledge out there that Mark came first! It was copied and edited by both Luke and Matthew! John came last with the greatest form of modification!

Common knowledge within Satanism. If they copied each other, why do they still have few disparities in some accounts? Those disparities themselves authenticate the scriptures. 1. They didn't copy themselves 2. The events narrated, really happened.

Give me evidence with references that shows that Mathew and Luke each had at least a copy of Mark's books. What evidence have you brought? Is your word your evidence?

Can you give us a sample of this? Show us the ancestors (Plural) you mentioned!

It's common knowledge now. How did Islam spread? Through the Ottoman empire of course, with sword and blood! The fulanis spread Islam in Nigeria with sword and blood! Mohammed's slave, go and sit down! It's still being done till today!

1. Force the ancestors on the pain of death to accept Islam.

2. Brainwash the kids from a tender age to recite lies until their minds receive lies as truth.

3. Keep them within Islam by threatening death if they leave the fake religion. Today in most Muslim countries, it's suicidal to identify as a Christian.

You do this especially. Most Muslims in Southwest and SE are always persecuted when they attend Christian or mixed schools. They will always force you to pray in Jesus's name and go for fellowship. Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it. Proverbs 22:6. Why do you train your child with Mark's lies too?

If you attend a Christian school, do you expect them to have mosques and shrines in there? It's called a Christian school for a reason. Any Christian who attends a Muslim school also faces the same things. So, what are you crying about?

Praying and STUDYING the Bible together in a Christian school is not even brainwashing because you still have your independent mind and are allowed to ask questions. That's not the same as your brainwashing factories where you must recite lies. Ask questions at your own peril. You must accept whatever you're taught as truth or else you face the consequences.

This did happen in the Bible in your Israel from Yahweh! So what was wrong with it when Yahweh did it?

They were never forced to accept Yahweh as God.

That's falsehood peddling! It's now a Christian thing! Lie about Islam without any iota of evidence! Since some people say it then it must be true!

Even you also claimed you know where these things are written in the Quran. So, where's the lie?

I thought you lied God does not have business to do outside Israel? Why do you keep telling lies? And worse still, you refuse to admit telling lies just like the other time you claimed Allah is Baal and I showed you Allah condemned Baal in the Qur'an! Alhamdulillah for the light of Islam!

You're a confirmed liar! Son of Satan the liar. Except you can show me where I said God has no business outside Israel!

I said, and I repeat, God punishes people outside of Israel for their wickedness and abominations. He doesn't punish them for not serving Him. In Jonah's case, He sent Jonah to warn them about the wickedness and abominations in their land. He didn't send Jonah there with his sword to go force them to accept Jonah as prophet or Yahweh as God! This Mohammed did, forcing his prophethood on people through bloodshed. Killing people who had no covenant or business with Allah because they rejected him as prophet. You Muslims still do that today. I was almost lynched in Ilorin by you bloodsucking Islamic demons in 2014. Just because they saw me speaking with a Muslim fulani woman in the Ọja Oba market.

Allah is Baal. We won't fall for the disguise or the alibi in the Quran. Even your mosques in mecca bear moon images on them. I was watching a mecca documentary of recent and saw crescent moon symbols on the mosques in mecca just like in the image below.

Show us the violent actions you mean? Elisha cursed 42 lads to death! Is that violent enough? Moses killed a whole race sparing only the virgins! Is this violent enough? Saul on God's command killed even animals and infants! Is this violent enough?

Is that why Mohammed became a killer and sent you swines out as killing machines?

Which of them were as a result of the laws you were shamelessly using to defend your blood shedding before? Without the context of the statements you made from the Bible, you're just wasting your time. This does not exonerate mohammed from being a murderer. If Mohammed was alive today, he would be in jail for being a murderer and a paedophile who defiled 4 yr olds to satisfy his demonic sexual urges.

Mention the instance with evidence as i am giving you here!

If you think I have your time, you're merely deceiving yourself.[/quote]How many instances would we mention to you? After exhausting all your strengths with your Antichristian moniker, you created another useless moniker to begin fresh rounds of useless arguments? Go and see all the instances already given you in your Antichristian moniker threads.

What did the infants do? Why spare only virgins in Numbers 31?

That was a national war. This has already been treated and flogged several times in your Antichristian threads which you abandoned and ran away from. Go find the answers there.

Everyone was fight for land and protecting their territories. It was always whoever is faster and better. Wars can be offensive and defensive! The war was simply a revenge mission on the generation that didn't do them any wrong!

We told you in your Antichristian threads how God promised Abraham those lands if those people continue in wickedness and abominations. 500yrs later, God having allowed them to fill their iniquitous cup to overflowing, He sent the Israelites, the child of Abraham against them as punishment for murders, sodomy and infant sacrifices. They're all there in your Antichristian threads. Except you have dementia, you would vividly remember this but being a son of Satan, aka Allah, you must say the children of Israel were fighting for revenge.

Even if it is for Israelites alone. It is for your God right! So why blame Muslims for having similar laws? You lost all those laws in the rebranded Christianity You got from Paul. The laws are meant to be used and it will be used! It is none of my business how many people have been killed by it.

Abu, I said again and again, no one has any issues with the laws you designed for yourselves. Kill yourselves as many as you could. Who cares? Don't use those laws on none Muslims. Don't force none Muslims into your false religion. That's all!

Paul didn't give us any rebranded Christianity. The lies they tell you in those your mosques are just too much. Paul was simply a disciple of Jesus Christ just as I am. Paul never identified as a Christian - he never called himself one. He was simply a servant of Christ like everyone else. Christianity is not a religion. We're only called christians for identification. Christ didn't create any religion. I don't have any religion. I'm simply a disciple of Jesus Christ.

O! Since it has reached to abuse the Prophet then i can refer to the Biblical Fake Jesus Mark portrayed as an ignoramus! Confusion of Abiathar with Ahimelech! Biblical Jesus must have lied to proof a point or was he just ignorant! Apart from not knowing the hour! There are many other things he doesn't know!

I asked you about the scriptures in the book of Romans which you quoted how that scripture says gays should die as you claimed, but all you could do is to type this gibberish. Was Mohammed not a liar and a false prophet? Of course, he was! His aorta was cut as proof!

Leviticus 20:13
“If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.

Now, this is the law for the gay, and not the one you quoted in Romans.

Now, tell me how this law was ever applied to people outside of Israel. Tell me how many people were ever killed in Israel for being gay.

Abeg keep shut! Who documented the list of those that broke the laws? Who was keeping record?

The same people who kept the records of the national wars Israel quoted, and the laws God gave them. We have records of 2 people who died by stoning for your information. 2 people in 4,000 years of history shows low occurences of such crimes because they law deterred them.

Are you angry at the truth? You can't shut up the truth even if you kill the speaker as you bloodsuckers always do!

Slave of Saul of Tarsus! Your Gods were killers all around the Bible! You are a hypocrite for not calling him violent. Samson did killed many times immediately after being empowered by the Holy Spirit. The same spirit you encourage me to get in a spirit filled church!

You can accuse all nations who kill their enemies in wars of the same. Open your ears WIDE. God's dealings with Israel was as a nation. Hear it again. God's dealings with Israel was as a nation. When nations go to war, their gods defend them. When the God of Israel defends the nation of Israel, it's not out of place.

However, God does not send anyone to fight and kill people for RELIGION. Show me any such instance in the Bible. Islam kills people because Israel killed her enemies. How does that relate?

Slave of Saul of Tarsus, can you see what i am saying? You are a hypocrite! A serial and unrepentant liar!
You requested for evidence for my claims in the Bible and i will try and bring them to you! I will request for evidence for your claims and you'll rebuff me with "it is common knowledge"!

I repeat, the verses where Mohammed cried that his aorta was being cut, the hadith where Mohammed killed many people, the verses where Mohammed said he doesn't know what was going to be done to him, are known to everyone, and you know them too. Again, tell the lies you want to tell about those verses , and I'll confirm to everyone that you're a liar as your mohammed.

I never even call Jesus liar! But the fictitious Mark did portrayed Jesus either as an ignoramus or as a liar!
Anyways! Since you've been dishonest. I will have to call it a day with you on this thread!

Your dishonesty reaches to the high heavens.

1. You wanted to equate Israel's national defense and military expeditions with Islamic religious killing sprees. How do they relate?

2. You wanted to use Israel's national administrative laws to equate your Islamic activities where Muslims go out to kill none Muslims as there commanded. I showed you that the laws in Israel were for Israelites. Those were national and administrative laws. NO ONE OUTSIDE OF ISRAEL WAS EVER KILLED FOR NOT SERVING OR BELIEVING IN YAHWEH!A Infact, Naman a worshipper of a god called rimmon, who has leprosy was prayed for by Elisha the prophet and had his leprosy cleansed even though he was not a worshipper of Yahweh!

I pity you. If you cannot see that ISLAM was sent into the world to deny you of eternal life, you'll have yourself to blame in eternity.

Keep calling me a liar for giving you all the above clarifications. It's just a matter of time. Whether here, or there, you'll know the truth.

Before I close, let me clarify also your loud ignorant talks about Jesus denying christians because of the scriptures of "We do miracles in your name."

Take it or leave it. I'll still tell you the truth.

Jesus would not deny christians for casting out demons or working miracles or for being christians. We have cordial ongoing relationship with Jesus till now. He said, "I'll be with you even till the close of the age " And that's it. We have cordial ongoing relationship with Jesus because He Fulfills that promise.

Jesus would deny Christians who perform miracles in His name but still work in iniquity. Yes, sinful christians can perform miracles. But Jesus would deny such christians because they're workers of iniquity. I pray you listen but I know you're far gone. Only Jesus can save you.

Aemmyjah:
Look again at your wordings on Mark 2:26 and locate epi in both that it the thornbush and that if Abiathar

Aemmyjah I don't like dishonest debates please. What wordings are you asking me to check again?

The word in the Mark 2:26 verse is epi. The word in the burning bush is epic. They're not the same word, and you know it? Why do you want to keep dragging this unnecessarily?

Aemmyjah:
So my screenshot on the account of the thornbush is also false shey

Check another meaning below

Please be guided. I've not used the word 'false' since we started looking at this verse together.

The word we're looking at is epi, not epic. These are two different words.

We're looking at epi, but your screenshot is for epic.

Aemmyjah:
You mentioned over 5 meaning of epi

How do you determine that it meant in the days of Abiathar or on the basis or in the time of
Against the same epi which it was translated as in the account of the thornbush

One of the meanings of epi is "in the time of". That's one of its meanings. So 'epi abiathar" means "in the time of abiathar." Which can also be rendered as 'in the days of abiathar."

See screenshot from ChatGPT below. Take note of the area I marked with green.

ChatGPT says it also means 'During' which is the same as 'in the time of'.

I want to know where you inserted the word 'Account' from, which made you translate it as 'on account of'.

AbuTwins:
I never said there's a perfect man! Even your Biblical Jesus said "why do you call me good? There is no one good except God!" Leave God can used anybody He so wishes! That one no be word at all!

So, why are you expecting perfection from the Bible writers if you know there's no perfect human anywhere?

Spirit filled Church? Where did Jesus worship in a spirit filled church? All this spirit things started after Jesus left! More reason Jesus will deny you all when he comes again! Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’ Matthew 7:22-23
Some will even say can't you see they are doing miracles in Jesus name and the blind can see! I wonder if they know the above verses existed!

You lack understanding of what Jesus was saying, yet you refuse to learn. Instead of learning, you decided to criticize from your ignorant foundation.

Jesus said 'In my name, they'll cast out devils..." Reconcile that we the ignorant words you just typed up there.

One verifiable proof that Matthew and Luke likely copied from the Gospel of Mark and used other sources can be seen in the similarities and differences in the accounts of the feeding of the 5,000 found in these Gospels:

Feeding of the 5,000:
**Mark's Gospel**: [/b]Describes the miraculous feeding of the 5,000 with five loaves and two fish. It includes specific details such as the grass being green, groups of 100s and 50s, and the command to have the people recline in groups on the green grass.

[b]**Matthew's Gospel**: Retells the same event but includes additional details such as Jesus instructing the disciples to give the people something to eat before performing the miracle.

**Luke's Gospel**: Also contains the story but presents it in a slightly different way, with unique details such as the location being described as a desolate place.

By comparing these accounts, scholars can observe:
**Triple Tradition**: Shared material found in all three Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke), suggesting a common source, likely the Gospel of Mark.

**Double Tradition**: [/b]Material shared between Matthew and Luke but not found in Mark, indicating a potential shared source called "Q" (from the German word "Quelle," meaning source).

[b]**Special Material**: Unique details and narrative elements in each Gospel, suggesting the authors utilized additional sources or traditions.

This example of the feeding of the 5,000 illustrates how the Gospels of Matthew and Luke likely drew from Mark's Gospel while also incorporating other sources to shape their narratives, highlighting the complex interplay of literary dependence and independent traditions in the Synoptic Gospels.

So, you mean newspapers report the same events within a week, the must have copied from each other? Do you know that Mathew, Luke and Mark were actually recording events that took place?

How can almost 2billion people on earth follow a book without truth? You get brain? The Qur'an confirms the previous revelations before it. Anyways i don't expect you to believe in the Qur'an before.

Very simple:
1. Force their ancestors on the pain of death to accept Islam.

2. Brainwash their kids from a tender age. Make them recite lies until their minds believe it to be the truth.

3. Threaten them to stay and remain in Islam or be killed.

Quote for the claims you made o!

No need. It's common knowledge.

God did send Jonah to Nineveh which is not an Israelite state! So why the above lie that God's law is for Israelites alone?
Even Amos 1:3 talk about the sins of Damascus! No be Syria Damascus dey?

Yes, for their wickedness. He sent Jonah to warn them. He didn't send him to go there with sword. He didn't send him to force them to serve God but to repent of their wickedness and abominations.

And even if the laws are meant for Israelites only are the laws only violent when it is from the Qur'an but not violent when it is from the Bible for Israelites? This is hypocrisy!

No one is talking about laws but the violent actions of Mohammed! Mohammed was a warlord. Not a prophet.

You mean the so many genocides committed in the bible where even women, infants and animals were not spared? The one committed by Moses, Saul, Joshua, Elisha, etc in the name of Yah!

What genocide did they commit? Even the Israelites wars of Canaan were started by the Canaanites. Not the Israelites. The Israelites were not the aggressors.

Israel avoided all the nations God told them He was not judging. He sent them only to the iniquitous nations to possess their lands. And when Israel got to the fringes of the borders of Canaan, they sent message to their king to allow them pass through their land. They even promised to pay for anytime including water if they drank it while passing. The king came out with his army and attacked them. That was the Genesis of the Canaan wars.

You assume there was no covenant! You are not the judge! People were to be killed for apostasy in the Bible. That's the law of Yah! Bring evidence to support your claims and you will be just giving us what you understood from the falsehood peddled by your Holy spirit filled Christian brothers who are liars! Something you don't have a firm grip on![/quite]
Tell us what covenant Allah made with the people Mohammed killed. The good things he first did for them before entering a covenant with them. And the agreement the people Allah had with them before Mohammad carried his sword to murder people and shed so much blood to e force his prophethood.

There was a law for apostate ISRAELITES to be killed in the Old Testament. It was a law taught to all Israelites from childhood. They all knew the consequences. So, now tell me how many people in Israel died as a result of that law. Also tell me how many none Israelites were killed as a result of that law.

Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Tell me how this applied to none Israelites. And tell me how many people killed by this law.

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Tell me how this applied to none Israelites. And tell me how many witches were killed by this law.

Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Tell me how this applied to none Israelites. And tell me how many homosexuals were killed by this law.

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Tell me how this applied to none Israelites. And tell me how many homosexuals were killed by this law.

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Tell me how this applied to none Israelites. And tell me how many dad and mother hitters were killed by this law.

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Tell me how this applied to none Israelites. And tell me how many father cursers were killed by this law.

Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Tell me how this applied to none Israelites. And tell me how many adulterers were killed by this law.

Death for Fornication
A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Tell me how this applied to none Israelites. And tell me how many fornicators were killed by this law.

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Tell me how this applied to none Israelites. And tell me how many people were killed by this law even though they had a covenant with God to serve Him only as said in the verse.

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Tell me how this applied to none Israelites. And tell me how many people were killed by this law.

quote]Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Tell me how this applied to none Israelites. And tell me how many none virgins were killed by this law.

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Tell me how this applied to none Israelites. And tell me how many people were killed by this law.

Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Tell me how this applied to foreigners living outside Israel. And tell me how many blasphemers were killed by this law. For the record, only 2 people were ever killed by this law in a whole 4,000+ yrs of Israel's history.

Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or )

Tell me how this applied to none Israelites. And tell me how many false prophets were killed by this law.

Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

Slave of mohammed and liar like his Mohammed, how did the above scripture say gays should die?

Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, ‘Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.’ (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

Tell me how this applied to none Israelites. And tell anyone who was killed by this law.

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy.

Tell me how this applied to none Israelites. And tell me how many people were killed by this law.

Na only Islam you get mouth to criticize! Criticize your God for all these laws!

Laws are for deterrent. The laws were effective as there were few to none incidents in the 4,000yr history of Israel that broke the law.

Slave of mohammed, no one is criticizing Islam for its laws. We criticize Mohammed for being a killer all his life. Telling lies and using his sword to force his prophet his upon people.

You should quote them as i am quoting the blunders in your Bible. I know the hadith and Qur'an verse you are saying. You should quote it so that i can expose you as a confirm Holy Spirit filled Christian liar!
Please i beg you quote them in this last part of the thread!

Everyone knows those verses, and you know them too. Tell the lies you want to tell about those verses , and I'll confirm to everyone that you're a liar as your mohammed. The scripture verses you quoted have exposed you as a serious liar who wanted to prevent laws as actual occurences.

AbuTwins:
Another capping! You Sabi twist words o! Even those who wrote the books were just writing letters and made mistakes! There was no spirit involved in the writing! Na when you dey read spirit come dey important!
Abeg stop coping!

My dear. There's no perfect man in the entire universe. No man has perfect knowledge. God uses people who surrender themselves to be used. He then uses them to bless the world even in their imperfections. We still have imperfect men today who are being used of God.

[b]Abeg, no spirit anywhere! You're all just capping people up and down![/quote]Okay, but whenever you're free, enter a Spirit filled church congregation and find out. Don't just sit in your mosque where you preach to demons and demons become Muslims. No one needs to argue it. Practical demonstrations of the Presence of God are in all true churches.

You can check what you wrote earlier.

I think you're the one who needs to check. You misinterpreted from the onset. I said and I repeat, if Mathew and Luke copied from Mark, then show me evidence that both Mathew and Luke had at least one copy of Mark's book individually.

Switch am with your spirit!

You'll do it when you're ready.

You are always telling lies! No single truth in the Qur'an even when the Qur'an says Jesus did miracles! Moses split the red sea! Moses stick swallowed the magicians' sticks!

It was a fake Jesus in the Quran. Moses splitting the red sea is a Bible truth. The Quran wasn't the source. The Quran lied it came from one Jubril.

[quote[No single truth in it indeed! Keep telling lies o![/quote]It's a book full of errors and lies.

Quote where Muhammad enforced his prophethood by sword and show the difference between what is available in the Bible as commanded by Yahweh?

It's there in the anals of history as narrated in your hadith. You want to deny that?

The difference between that of the Bible as commanded by Yahweh is that, punishment for serving other gods was meant for Israelites alone. God did them good. Made a covenant with them. Gave them the terms of the covenant to which they agreed. They were bound by that covenant and its laws. Every Israelite knows the consequence. Punishment was Strictly for Israelites who served other gods. Not for none Israelites. Moses didn't force himself on anybody. He carried no sword. Even when some people rejected his prophethood, he left them unto God's judgement. There is no single sword bearing prophet in the Bible.

Other nations God punished was due to their extreme wickedness. Especially the practice of burning children alive as sacrifices to idols, and gruesome murders. God didn't punish any nation for not serving Him. He had no covenant with them. He gave them no laws. He never revealed Himself to them. They were not liable. Only Israelites.

Mohammed on the other hand killed people for not believing in his prophethood. Wanted everyone to serve Allah by force, even though Allah has never revealed himself to them, neither do they have any covenant with Allah.

The difference is clear.

Show us where Muhammad was crying on the death bed he's a warner that doesn't know what'll be done to him?

Authentic Evidence please!

It's in your quran and hadith. His aorta was even being cut and he confessed it to show how fake he was. You know, Allah already said he'll cut his aorta if he happens to be a fake prophet. He confessed that he felt like his aorta was being cut before he died. Fake prophet confirmed.

Aemmyjah:
Show me the phrase in Greek

in the days of

Taken from AI Translators

Excerpt:

The Greek preposition "ἐπὶ" (epi) can be translated into English in several ways, depending on its context. It generally means "on," "upon," "over," "at," "in the time of," "against," or "for." Here are some examples of its usage:

Take note of the clause "in the time of", which is also one of the meanings.

That's the appropriate clause that precedes "Abiathar the priest". If Abiathar's story was being referred, then, we'll have another word that would translate to "Story" or 'Account". Then, we'll choose some of the other prepositions: "Upon the account of", "in the story of" etc So, without these two words found in that verse, the sequence to justify *On the account of" is none existent.

Let's break it down further:

1. On/Upon: Referring to physical position.
- Example: ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς (epi tēs gēs) – "on the earth"

2. Over: Indicating control or authority.
- Example: ἐπὶ πάντων (epi pantōn) – "over all"

3. At/In the time of: Referring to a time period.
- Example: ἐπὶ βασιλέως (epi basileōs) – "in the time of the king"

4. Against: Indicating opposition.
- Example: ἐπὶ τῶν ἐχθρῶν (epi tōn echthrōn) – "against the enemies"

5. For: Indicating purpose or reason.
- Example: ἐπὶ σωτηρίᾳ (epi sōtēriai) – "for salvation"

The precise translation that matches the context and the word sequences in the verse is "In the time of", which can also be rendered "In the days of."

See Greek Interlinear in screenshot. The word alone cannot be translated as "In the story of " or "On account of."

Modified:

If you're to choose the other prepositions of Over, On, Upon, etc, then the verse would read "On/Upon/Over Abiathar the Priest". Since the word "Story" or "Account" is absent.

Where did you pull in "Account" from?

oteneaaron:
Here is another direct quote from their own publication -

Watchtower 2011 Nov 15 pp.19,24 -

“Vigilant Christians refrain from using the world to the full with regard to higher education. Many people in this world consider higher education an indispensable stepping-stone to prestige and an affluent life. But we Christians live as temporary residents and pursue different goals. We avoid “minding lofty things.” (Rom. 12:16; Jer. 45:5) Since we are Jesus’ followers, we heed his warning: “Keep your eyes open and guard against every sort of covetousness, be- cause even when a person has an abundance his life does not result from the things he possesses.” (Luke 12:15)

Consequently, young Christians are encouraged to pursue spiritual goals, getting only as much education as is required to meet their basic needs while focusing on preparing themselves to serve Jehovah ‘with their whole heart, soul, strength, and mind.’ (Luke 10:27) By doing so, they can become “rich toward God.”…

Men often put material security ahead of spiritual pursuits. Getting higher education and securing a well-paying job are priorities for many of them. According to their way of thinking, the reward of making money is more urgent and practical than any benefits that might come from studying the Scriptures and seeking a close relationship with God."

What does the above quote tell you @FxMasterz?

There are many other quotes, but let me just add one more -

Watchtower 2011 Jun 15 pp.30,31 -

"If you have a means of supporting yourself, do you really need to spend time, money, and effort on further education just to realize personal aspirations or those of your parents or other relatives? …

Higher education: Jesus warned against ‘seeking your own glory.’ (John 7:18) Whatever you decide as to how much secular education you will obtain, have you ‘made sure of the more important things’?—Phil. 1:9,10.

Grzegorz, the computer programmer, made some changes in his life. He said: “Taking seriously the advice of the elders, I simplified my life. [b]I realized that I did not need to further my secular education. That would only rob me of time and energy.” [/b]Grzegorz got more involved in congregation activities. In time, he graduated from what is now called the Bible School for Single Brothers. Yes, he ‘bought out the time’ to further his divine education. "

Do any of the quotes from their publications sound like the Governing Body is in support of their members acquiring University Education?

Chai!!

Those guys are very crafty! See how they subtly discouraged their slaves from pursuing higher education. Wicked men!!

AbuTwins:
This is simple physics experiment in the transmission of light! You guys and absurd relativism! So the colored glass scatteres the white light transmitting some and absorbing others.

The eyes just interpret the wavelength transmitted.

So what have you said that's different from what I said in layman's language?

Your carnal eyes see coloured light in its transmitted colours. But the white light is still white light. The carnal man sees the colours but the spiritual man sees the white light.

The Bible is not the word of God! It is just letters and documents written to people or some people! You said it yourself, it was never meant to be a collated religious book!
Now you are capping!

It was not meant to be called a religious book. The writers were not writing for religious purposes. Hence they had no ulterior motive than to sincerely communicate truth to their readers. God then used the sincerity to bless the World. The letters are not the Word of God but the message the letters pass across is the Word of God. The Bible is nothing but a story book if you have no revelation. And you can't have revelation without being born of the Spirit.

If you have not had the experience of being born of the spirit, you'll be foolish to deny the existence of this experience.

Why accuse me of what I didn't say before!

When did I accuse you of what you didn't say? I said, and I repeat: if Mathew and Luke copied from Mark, show us evidence that Mathew and Luke each had copies of Mark's book.

[quite]Okay then! We hope Antichristian will come back and prove you as the liar![/quote]You just have to switch over to your Antichristian moniker to make this happen.

The Bible contains errors! And whatever is error filled can only be demonic as God is not the author of confusion and falsehood! Faith in error! Error-filled Message!

That applies to the Quran. It's a completely demonic book written by a blood sucking prophet who revels in sexual fantasies. The book has a combination of errors and lies. There's no single truth in it!

Whatever has errors is not demonic. Human being can make errors without being demonic. A child does not have to be demonic to say 5 plus 3 equals 10. That doesn't make him demonic. But if he deliberately lies to his fellow that 5 plus 3 equals 10, then demons could be involved. Nobody demonizes anyone who makes errors in sincerity. Someone who deliberately misleads others, and after forcing everyone on the pain of death to accept him as prophet (Mohammed enforced his false prophethood by his sword); on his sickbed, he begins to cry that he's just a warner, he doesn't even know what would be done to.him. Why force people to follow a path whose end you do not know? That's a demonic prophet who gave his fellow bloodsuckers the demonic Quran.

oteneaaron:
Bro, as far as you're a baptized, active and fanatic JW, lies and manipulations would be your forte.

It's all part of their bi-weekly indoctrination meetings and I say this from experience.

When you swallow their doctrine hook line and sinker, that means you accept the teachings of the Governing Body even when it makes no reasonable sense.

That is why the Governing Body is vehemently against going to the University or even doing independent research because without CRITICAL THINKING, you would continue to swallow their LIES and MANIPULATIONS which they term - "Spiritual Food at the Proper Time"

Hmm. No university education? Na wá o. What doctrine did they peddle against university education too?

Aemmyjah:
The Bible makes references to people, books, statements records stories that you cannot find elsewhere.
According to the account of Abiathar could mean Jesus was quoting something that Abiathar must have said that happened to David. Remember that he was the only surviving eyewitness when David came to ask for bread. So he may have reported it and we have it in our Bibles today. So it's not unreasonable to allude to the account of Abiathar cos the story of that event may have originally been from him which was passed on and penned down by someone else.

If you want to believe that Mark 2:26 was an error, it's your own problem

To me, the Bible is accurate and truth without any error cos Jehovah, the God of truth is the Author of the Bible

Your previous post was in the line of The Story of Abiathar the Priest. Now it has changed to "The Story told By Abiathar the Priest." This second explanation looks more tenable than the first. It was Abiathar who most likely gave the eyewitness account of what Saul did to the priests of Nob.

I'm always open to new insights as long as they're based on honesty. I'm always ready to replace my former ideologies with new ones. I don't dwell on lies and falsehoods like you do. If I find truth and honesty in this version of Abiathar the priest that you're talking about, I'll gladly embrace it.

Now, back to the verse in question. Let's use AI translators to translate it to English. This is because the sequence of all the words in that verse in relation to the word you brought up to mean 'account' does not follow a logical sequence. Look at it very well and see where the wire appears.

Mark 2:23-28 (Greek Bible)

"23 Καὶ ἐγένετο παραπορεύεσθαι αὐτὸν ἐν τοῖς σάββασιν διὰ τῶν σπορίμων, καὶ ἤρξαντο οἱ μαθηταὶ αὐτοῦ ὁδὸν ποιεῖν τίλλοντες τοὺς στάχυας.
24 Καὶ οἱ Φαρισαῖοι ἔλεγον αὐτῷ, Ἴδε τί ποιοῦσιν οἱ μαθηταί σου τὸ ἄθεμιτον ἐν τοῖς σάββασιν.
25 Καὶ λέγει αὐτοῖς, Οὐδέποτε ἀνέγνωτε τί ἐποίησεν Δαυεὶδ ὅτε χρείαν ἔσχεν καὶ ἐπείνασεν αὐτὸς καὶ οἱ μετ᾿ αὐτοῦ;
26 πῶς εἰσῆλθεν εἰς τὸν οἶκον τοῦ Θεοῦ ἐπὶ Ἀβιαθὰρ ἀρχιερέως, καὶ τοὺς ἄρτους τῆς προθέσεως ἔφαγεν, οὓς οὐκ ἔξεστιν φαγεῖν εἰ μὴ τοῖς ἱερεῦσι, καὶ ἔδωκεν καὶ τοῖς σὺν αὐτῷ οὖσιν;
27 Καὶ ἔλεγεν αὐτοῖς, Τὸ σάββατον διὰ τὸν ἄνθρωπον ἐγένετο, καὶ οὐχ ὁ ἄνθρωπος διὰ τὸ σάββατον·
28 ὥστε κύριός ἐστιν ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου καὶ τοῦ σαββάτου.


Here is the translation of Mark 2:23-28 from Greek to English by AI:

"23 And it happened that He was passing through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples began to make their way, picking the heads of grain.
24 The Pharisees said to Him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”
25 He answered, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and hungry, he and those who were with him?
26 How he entered the house of God, in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat, and also gave some to those who were with him?”
27 Then He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

There's the clause "in the days of". This clause does not appear in the same place where you inserted that "On the account of."

oteneaaron:
Thank you for exposing his LIES.

This is a perfect example to show that Jehovah's Witnesses in reality, worship the Governing Body - because this is exactly how the GB lies and manipulate words just to rienforce a doctrine.

This also proves time and time again that they are FALSE PROPHETS.

NONE of their prophecies have ever came to pass.

The world didn't end in 1914

The world didn't end in 1925

The world definitely didn't end in 1975!

Deuteronomy 18:22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD [b]does not take place or come true [/b]that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.

You're right. Maxindhouse also does that very well. Aemmyjah does it with a lot of subtilty. If you're not grounded in the Word, you would not notice it. It's their logo in that cult. I don't know much about Cornelboy.

Aemmyjah:
According to the NKJV, NIV, Amplified , American standard and others, is there anything like the account or passage of of the thornbush? Some use story, some use account, some use passage or record. It could be written or like a story. You can believe a story or testimony of an event on account of your daughter. Abiathar was a loyal companion of David almost his life and may have given eyewitness account of David

Is there anything like account of the thornbush?

Yes, the story of the burning bush fits in well. There's such an account. A unique and entirely isolated experience shared by Moses.

But there's no such thing as "The account of Abiathar the priest." When you look into the storyline of David, you'll discover that both Abiathar and Zadok were mostly mentioned together, even up till the time when Solomon removed him from the priesthood. If the passage had read 'In the account of Zadok and Abiathar the priests', then, we might still consider it more slightly but even that does not look fitting enough.

We need to locate a unique storyline or flow of events where Abiathar featured most prominently to be able to have such a statement as "The account of Abiathar the priest."

The burning bush story was a standalone story that rightly fits the sentence "The account of the burning bush."

Aemmyjah:
ἐπὶ (epi)
Preposition
Strong's 1909: On, to, against, on the basis of, at, etc

But there's nothing called 'The Account of Abiathar the Priest". What we have is the account of David. There's no particular story line or sequence that was dedicated to Abiathar the priest. How does the word "In the Account of Abiathar the priest" fit in?

achorladey:
Hanged . Na name calling remain

FxMasterz you see am

I see am o. Instead of being repentant and having sober reflection, he chooses to be angry.

achorladey:
WEREY peddling brains sneak lies and manipulations into it like he usually peddle fraud using his mumu and no get sense peddling brains



When they arrived, Samuel saw Eliab and thought, “Surely the Lord’s anointed stands here before the Lord.

He thought thought thought not prophesied Liar and manipulator doing what this main thread was all about

cc: Emusan, Courz, Oteneaaron, FxMasterz

This typically what Courz was addressing all this while. They will cook a doctrine, then doctor the Bible by manipulating the words to fit that doctrine



Lies and manipulations from your werey peddling brains. He didn't gave a false prophecy but thought



His thought was corrected not the prophecy that the next king will be from the house of Jesse Na fraud peddling full that your werey peddling brains .



Janosky aka JaNosense remove fraud from your werey peddling brains and stop peddling wailings and no get sense on nairaland

You did well to shame the devil called janosky.

Aemmyjah:
😂
See as you de reason
Which word in Greek do you know?
Are you aware that each translated word has a synonym?

So, which word in that verse has the synonym "account" that warranted the insertion into the verse?

Aemmyjah:
Mark 2 NWT
But he said to them: “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and he and the men with him were hungry? 26 How, in the account about A·biʹa·thar the chief priest, he entered into the house of God and ate the loaves of presentation, which it is not lawful for anybody to eat except the priests, and he also gave some to the men who were with him?

Pidgin
For the story about A·bi′a·thar wey be chief priest, una no read about how David enter the house of God and chop the bread wey them put as offering to God, something wey nobody get the right to chop except the priests, and e still give some to the men wey dey with-am?”

Interlinear
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How
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εισήλθεν
he entered
1519
εις
into
3588
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3624
οίκον
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3588
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2316
θεού
of God
1909
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unto
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Αβιάθαρ
Abiathar
3588
του
the
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αρχιερέως
chief priest,
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και
and
3588
τους
the
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άρτους
bread loaves
3588
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of the
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προθέσεως
place setting
2068
έφαγεν
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to eat,
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Commentary
At Mark 2:26 most translations have Jesus saying that David went into the house of God and ate the showbread “when Abiathar was high priest.” Since Abiathar’s father, Ahimelech, was the high priest when that event took place, such translation would result in a historical error. It is noteworthy that a number of early manuscripts omit the above phrase, and it is not found in the corresponding passages at Matthew 12:4 and Luke 6:4. However, a similar Greek structure occurs at Mark 12:26 and Luke 20:37, and here many translations use the phrase “in the passage about.” (RS; AT; JB) So, it appears that Mark 2:26 properly allows for the translation given in the New World Translation, which reads: “How he entered into the house of God, in the account about Abiathar the chief priest.” Since the account of the first exploits of Abiathar begins immediately following the record of David’s entering the house of God to eat the showbread, and since Abiathar did later become Israel’s high priest in David’s reign, this translation maintains the historical accuracy of the record. The Greek word επί means upon or unto which could have an underlying meaning depending on the context (italics mine)
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Emusan and FxMasterz
Janosky
Maxindhouse
Mightysparrow
Kobojunkie
Abutwins

The word "account" does not appear in any of the Greek texts for the verse to have read "in the account of Abiathar the priest." Where did you bring that word from?

AbuTwins:
Where did i mention Qur'an in the thread?

That too could be composed of several errors!

Let me open your understanding. If the rays of the Sun passes through coloured glass, the light you'll see would be in the colour of the glass isn't it? For example, to fill your room with blue light, you only need to cover the white light with blue glass. Agreed?

Now, does the colour of the glass in any way change the colour of the light? No? The light is still white but your eyes see blue by your human perception.

That's how the Word of God is. Humans are coloured glasses through whom the light passes. But while those with physical eyes see mistakes, those with spiritual eyes can see the white light still. The Bible was not written for Carnal men but for men of the spirit. It's the children's food. That's why you need first to be born of the spirit before you can partake of its riches.

I actually said Matthew and Luke copied Mark and added some other extra documents!

Yes you said it. If they copied from Mark, give me evidence that they both had at least a copy each of Mark's book.

You can create your thread on that! That is beyond the scope of this thread!

Not necessary. TenQ and Advocatejare have created threads about it already. I only need to go push them up.

Antichristian's material no reach textual criticism of the Bible! I do once in a while copy his materials though.

Keep deceiving yourself, you liar! You're the same as Antichristian.

If the letters are error filled, the Spirit would be demonic!

The letters are not the source of the Spirit. They're just vehicles for the message. The message, when mixed with faith produces revelation. Then, revelation releases the Spirit.

AbuTwins:
I no follow! No be Qur'an post be this na!

⁷Let's finish this one first before you divert to the Qur'an. Growing up i always hear the Bible is the unmistaken word of God through the spirit! The Holy Bible! So the Bible is letters and documents written by humans who are prone to mistakes?

It's still in line. You created this thread to disparage the Bible and promote your unholy Quran.

The unmistaken Word of God is not the letters but the message of love and salvation that the letters carry.

Everyone was using the documents and information available to him. When Matthew and Luke were written, Mark was around!

Can you give evidence that Mathew and Luke had a copy each?

But Mark was written earlier than Matthew! So it is Matthew who would copy from Mark! Abeg drop that Matthew was among the 12. Do you thing it was the real Matthew the disciple of Jesus that wrote Matthew?

Matthew 9:9 Matthew was writing and mentioning his name like this:
As Jesus went on from there, He saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax booth. “Follow Me,” He told him, and Matthew got up and followed Him.

He met Jesus in Matthew 9:9 above, where did he get the materials to write Matthew 1-9:8 from when he never knew Jesus?

Of course Mathew is the real disciple of Jesus. The style he chooses to write does not disqualify him in any way. John also wrote the same way.

Even your spirit is as false as what Mark wrote!

Since you don't know what the definition of the term 'false' is. Define 'false', and you'll find that Islam fits in directly by deliberately attempting to sell falsehood as truth. Mohammed saw no angel. The Quran itself is a proof he didn't see any angel. He probably saw a demon. The lies in there are too much.

Mark made a mistake by calling Ahimelech Abiathar. That's human error. A pastor preaching on the pulpit could make the same error if he lacks adequate knowledge but that does not mean God won't use that pastor to bless people. God will still use him to bless people except he deliberately misleads people. That's falsehood. Deliberate misinformation.

Have you heard about Mark 16:9-20 (Longer Ending of Mark) that is disputed and expunged from some translations of the Bible?

Make i create a thread on that later!

You'll tire yourself out and abandon your Abutwins moniker the same way you abandoned your Antichristian moniker. So, create it.

We're not concerned about the letters that kill. We're only concerned about the Spirit that gives Iife.

AbuTwins:
You started on a wrong foot. But it is proven that Matthew and Luke used Mark and other documents to generate their respective Gospels. Luke admitted in Luke 1-1:4 he was writing to Theophilus (as you claimed) and he was writing from some hearsays purportedly from those he thought were eyewitnesses which he didn't mention!

And your assertion that if they would even edit they'll insert the right name, Ahimelech, that's if they have the right manuscript to copy from!

Your last statement shows hypocrisy!
If that is what you do then there should be no criticism of any scripture at all!
Your spirit is born from the letters!
So if the letters contains mistakes then the spirit is a mistaken one too!

What does your scripture claim? It claims to have been purportedly dictated directly from God. It should be criticized. If it fails, then the claim is invalid.

The Bible is letters and documents written by humans. It doesn't have to be 100% correct. Humans are not perfect. That's why your criticisms are useless. But then, on matters of Revelation, the Bible supercedes your so called dictated Quran which errs both scientifically and spiritually. The errors are shameful. Revelations are not human. They're directly released by God.

No matter what those scholars say, they were not there. They can only draw inferences at best. Luke told us how he found information. We trust what he said more than what any scholar thinks. Mathew and Luke don't have to copy anything from anywhere to correct the Abiathar error of Mark if they saw it. They just needed to be familiar with the story.

Jesus didn't mention the name of the priest. That's obvious. If He did, Mathew would record it. Mathew was one of the 12. Mark would rather copy from Mathew, not Mathew from Mark. That's simple logic regardless of any nonsense any scholar is saying.

The Bible is a book written by imperfect men. All God needed was the sincerity of those men. God can use your honesty to bless the world. But even if your correctness was a lie that became correct by happenstance, God can't use it.

Christianity thrives on honesty and integrity. A pastor who goes on the pulpit to lie or exaggerate anything is already doomed. We don't abhor lies. All liars are false prophets. This is not like Islam where Taqquiya glorified Allah.

My spirit is not born from the letters. Stop being ignorant. Revelation is foundation for the release of the Spirit through faith.

Aemmyjah:
If Mark made errors according to you. The Bible is already inaccurate

Even the Bible says "We know in part."

Sincerity and Honesty is the Hallmark of the Bible. Not correctness.

The Bible was written by humans who are prone to mistakes. They were inspired by God but God was not the One moving their fingers.

Aemmyjah:
You're completely wrong... 2 over 10


Next, Emusan. Come here my boy and answer OP

Wrong according to the standard of your false prophets and occult organization?

achorladey:
They will run away from the question. MaxInDHouse the one regulating Galatians 5:22,23 no where to be found

And after running away, they won't still consider the falsehood they're holding in their hands.

achorladey:
That name calling is their good to go card when they get exposed.

It happens like that when light shines into darkness.

AbuTwins:
See coping and capping!

At least he had the guts to agree Mark lied about Jesus!
Unlike Kobojunkie who would argue from now till eternity on falsehood!

But the Book of Mark came earlier than Matthew and Luke.
I would say they both had time to edit that part out!
John came last and his book is the most "Jesus Goding"!

Point of correction:

Mark was sincerely wrong. He didn't lie. He wrote what he knew.
Mathew and Luke didn't have to edit anything. They probably didn't know about Mark's works. Mark wrote to a specific group of people to which Mathew and Luke didn't belong. Luke wrote a letter to his friend whom he called Theophilus. None of them were writing for the purpose of inclusion in any religious book. They were just letters and addresses. There's no reason for any editing. If they'll even edit, they'll instead insert the right name - Ahimelech. Your assertion is wrong.

We don't deal with letters while studying the Bible, Abu. The letters kill, the Spirit gives life.

Letters are for historians and critics like you. We, the children born of the Spirit, feed on the Bible as spiritual food. It's good nourishment to our soul.