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triplechoice:
I'm afraid your diagnosis and "comparative picture" are products of your religious indoctrination.

You're clueless about what can cause depression which leads to suicidal thoughts.

You think demons are responsible because that's what your has taught you .

I don't think demons are responsible for suicide. I know they are. That's because I have on several occasions healed many of suicidal thoughts by casting out demons.

triplechoice:
Yes ,it doesn't change the theme of the post but you're trying to change it by your outlandish claims that the cause of atheists commiting suicide is due to demons.

Why have you deflected from the Op to talk of something else that's not related to it. Demon talk.

I only provided clarification because the OP and his source had wrong diagnosis. I even painted a comparative picture for my position.

immortalcrown:
Iji Intellectual dishonesty is very bad. The theme of the post is unchanged but the authenticity of the post is of more concern than the content of the post.

The content still passes a message. The OP can rectify the integrity issue at any time.

triplechoice:
The creator of this thread is not an atheist. He is a theist who copied the article from an atheist blog without given credit to the original writer , and now using it to indirectly push the false narrative here on Nairaland that atheist and other religious are prone to commiting suicide because they lack a God in their lives.

Apart from regurgitating parts of the article as response to what others have said here, he has not said anything else, proving he's not the same person as the original writer.

The OP is an intellectual thief . Don't give him any credit for something that's not his.

Okay. Thank you for the clarification.

But the post was originally written by an atheist. That doesn't change the theme of the post and the direction of the thread.

OLAADEGBU:
You are just a believer in old women tales which makes you a talebearer since you have no evidence of where DL have it as an article of faith written anywhere or a videoclip that you can reproduce that buttresses your allegation. Repent and believe the true gospel before it is too late.

Smiling, you're behaving the same way as atheists who try to escape reality by asking for video evidence for matters that we're not video recorded.

You're asking for video evidence of deeper life doctrines that were preached often on deeper life pulpits in the days when deeper life tagged television as the devil's box? Isn't that a joke taken too far?

A doctrine is not necessarily written down as an article of faith. Deeper life preached that anyone who left the congregation for any other church is a backslider. You cannot tell me that you're unaware of this. You're an hypocrite.

OLAADEGBU:
If it was a doctrine as you have suggested then show us the evidence where Deeper Life once had it as a doctrine that it is the only true church. In the absence of this you were either a backslider or never got to know Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour.

I think you should go ask your elders. Anyone who left Deeper life for any other church back then was regarded as a backslider.

You need to give your life to Christ. I wouldn't regard you a Christian for denying such a well known position of deeper life.

OLAADEGBU:
When did Deeper life teach that it is the only godly congregation? It's either you provide evidence or you have just proven us that you are a bold face liar defending your father the devil.

I was in Deeper life in early 80s and left in the 90s. I know the Deeper life doctrines of that time very well. It's either you're a new member or you're purely an hypocrite! Who doesn't know Deeper Life had such a doctrine?

Those were the days you're immediately tagged a backslider for leaving Deeper Life to join any other church.

You should be ashamed of yourself for calling this obvious truth a lie. Are you really a Christian?

OLAADEGBU:
This is not about getting sentimental about our respective pastors, it's about carrying out the injunctions in the Scriptures. The Bible said that we should not get involved with the evil works of darkness but rather expose them. (Ephesians 5:11)

A believer can err. There's what the Bible advised us to do in such scenario.

Titus 3:10-11 KJV

"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."

Have you given him your first and second admonition?

1 Timothy 5:20

"Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear."

Have you rebuked him?

And have you taken your time to hear from his own side of the story?

Would you do the same things you're doing now if Kumuyi was the one accused?

You're biased.

The scripture you quoted is not applicable to people who have been known to be children of God. Olukoya is not a worker of darkness like TB Joshua was. TB Joshua was never a child of God. Olukoya is a child of God even if he has erred, he still remains a child of God open to rebuke and chastisement by God and by elders in the faith.

The scripture you quoted instructed us to expose the evil works of darkness. Do you know what the evil works of darkness is at all? Children of God are not in that category.

Since Deeper life initially taught you that your congregation is the only Godly congregation, I understand where the bias is coming from. Can't you see that even Kumuyi has risen up to redefine that position?

Whatever you're doing against one child of God, you do against the body of Christ. Remember that one day, we shall all stand before judgement seat of Christ.

jaephoenix:
You know what, there's no need replying this post. Its bullshitry is even worse than the OP. LOL 😆

But the OP is actually an atheist. Are you angry that he has exposed what you have been denying?

The suicide problem of atheism comes from the same demons whose existence atheists deny.

Christian converts in Muslim countries, and those who dwell among chronic Muslim brethren suffer a greater measure of persecution which includes but not limited to isolation, death threats (often carried out), rejection, dehumanization, excommunication, molestation, mockery and a host of other evils. Yet, they do not commit suide or have the faintest thoughts of it.

The same demons are putting your focus on Christians as the cause of your problems while taking your attention off themselves.

You guys should keep deceiving yourselves. A day would come when you would never be able to say again that there's no God because you'll see Him face to face.

Those who have died are currently regretting. If they have the chance, they'll love to return to warn you to discontinue in this destructive path of atheism. It's quite too late for them now. If you still have your breath, you still have opportunity today to repent.

Yes, those atheists who have died including your revered Darwin is in full regrets right now but it's too late for them. You might ask how am I sure of this. Yeah, I am 2,000% sure because I have met God. I know Him and He knows me.

All is well in Jesus name.

Glory to Jesus!!!

Your testimony shall be permanent in Jesus name!

God shall perfect all that concerns you in the mighty name of Jesus!


A Word for You:

God Shall use you to deliver many from the same afflictions He has delivered you from.

Keep increasing in faith and in the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Dtruthspeaker:
They do. They know that they are cut off so, they have become like Satan and very jealous and angry that Christians have the love of God.

Not so brother.

They're actually blind. Just like those who crucified Jesus.

AntiChristian:
I see all these as lies! Just as when Samson wanted to kill lion Holy Spirit entered him. Just as when Samson needed to kill thirty people to steal their garments the holy Spirit empowered him.

Even the Holy Spirit in David did not caution/guide him to avoid killing and fornication!

It's your cup of tea.

If that's what you see, then spiritual blindness has happened to you.

What Samson had was a gift of might. That doesn't mean the Holy Spirit comes upon him each time he wanted to act. That's absurd.

I have a teaching gift. That doesn't mean the Holy Spirit would come upon me each time I want to teach. That's absurd.

Once the Holy Spirit gives you a special enablement, you'll flow naturally with ease in that capacity. While others may struggle to achieve the same feat, a gifted individual would do it with such ease, and it would be completely natural.

Once you are faced with what you're gifted for by the Holy Spirit, the gift would be stirred up in you to deliver. You'll flow naturally but deliver supernatural results.

Natural giftedness is different from Spiritual giftedness. You can't compete with someone who is supernaturally enabled.

The Holy Spirit guides and cautions us. However, people can ignore Him and disobey. The disobedient would face the consequence. The Holy Spirit doesn't turn men to zombies. Is that clear? There are no zombies in God's Kingdom. We have the liberty to choose our actions. We can accept or reject guidance but there'll be results and consequences afterwards.

If you choose blindness, you'll have it enough. You can keep interpreting the scriptures blindly in spite of the corrections you've received. It's your own cup of tea.

You can keep saying everything I said are lies. Tagging them as lies does not change the reality and the truth of the explanations. The life we live as Christians who are filled with the Holy Spirit is what I've described in my previous post. If Islam doesn't come close to that, it's spiritual blindness and crass ignorance for you to tag them as lies. If you're wise, you would have embarked on an investigation and exploration to verify these things. Rather than wallow in your ignorance and deep rooted deceit delivered to you in Islam.

If you become open minded and prayerfully investigate these things using the right channels, you'll be stunned at what you'll discover. You'll end up meeting Jesus, and your life wouldn't remain the same afterwards. Forget Christianity as a religion. That's not what we're talking about here. Most Muslims only see religious Christians and use that to judge what Christianity is all about. Christianity is not religion. Even most Christians are just deceiving themselves. A definite encounter with Jesus is all you need.

There are many former Muslims here on this platform. One of them goes by the moniker Speaklove. He can relate. I just pity you for your ignorance and the stubborn opposition you put up against the Almighty God to the detriment of your own soul.

AntiChristian:
So the Holy Spirit is our conscience? Our conscience has no power to control us but let us know the good from the bad! Samson had the Spirit which empowered him to kill. The spirit gave him power! It didn't guide! The Spirit left David on his own to fall into committing murder and fornication!


You are singing the same song all the time. Samson was led to kill by the spirit. David was never directed appropriately by the same Spirit.

Where did the Spirit actually guided Samson and David?

The Spirit led David to kill Goliath, is that still not killing?

Only the spirit in the NT is perfect! Everything in OT including God and spirit is not perfect!

The Holy Spirit is not our conscience. He's our Guide. He guides and instructs us, and also empowers us to walk in obedience. He teaches us what is right and gives us power to do what is right. The Holy Spirit would guide you to do the will of God. The will of God is not just righteousness alone. It could even be your choice of profession. He could guide you into the profession that God wants for you. He can guide you to choose the spouse who is God's will for you. He can guide you to know whether you should travel abroad or remain in Nigeria. He guides and empowers us to do the will of God.

Our conscience on the other hand is our moral police. It makes us feel guilty of some general sins when we commit them. However some people's conscience are dead. They do not even feel guilty when they commit murder. The Holy Spirit can resurrect dead consciences and empower the most despicable sinner to turn a new leaf and live a life of righteousness. However, the sinner must yield to His guidance. He'll then empower the yielding sinner to do the righteousness he could not do naturally.

He trains us into righteousness by patiently guiding us, instructing us and empowering us. Even when we fail, He convicts us and brings us back to the path, and keeps guiding us until we are transformed and become what God wants us to be.

AntiChristian:
We can see from the above "and from that day on the spirit of Yahweh came powerfully on David (Just like Samson in Judges 14)".

But in 2 Samuel

David saw Bathsheba taking her bath and was attracted!
He sent his husband Uriah to death in battle to have her!

So where was the holy Spirit in David?
What was the holy Spirit doing in David?

FxMasterz
TenQ
Sirtee15

It seems only the New Testament Holy Spirit is perfect!
That in OT no get joy at all!

How many times should we tell you that the Holy Spirit is a Guide? He doesn't force anybody. His work is to enable you do God's will if you decide to do God's will. If you decide to do your own will, He'll warn you and let you have your way. But if you make a decision to do the will of God, then, He'll give you the power to do the will of God.


Many people love to do their own wills. But there are a few regenerated souls who love to do God's will. However, it's one thing to be willing, it's another thing to be able. The Holy Spirit adds ability to your willingness.

A person having the Holy Spirit can receive power to overcome the temptation to sin if he actually does not want to sin. Yeah, the Holy Spirit will strengthen our weaknesses.

But if you decide to sin, the Holy Spirit would warn you and leave you to do whatever you please. That's why the Bible says:

"As many as are led (guided) by the Spirit of God, they're the sons of God." Romans 8:14.

"Be doers of the word, and not hearers only. Otherwise, you are deceiving yourselves." James 1:22.

He guides into all Truth He doesn't force into all Truth. When you choose to be a doer of the word, He'll empower you to do the word. If you choose to be just a hearer and not a doer, He'll warn you and watch you as you reject His warning.

TenQ:
My questions are still waiting for you because I told you that the Holy Spirit does not force anyone against his will.


Shame



Did you read that the Holy Spirit does not force you to do anything. He guides not force!
Even in the new testament, the Holy Spirit guides you amongst other things He does but it's your responsibility to follow His guide.

Sorry!
When you mispresent a Christian doctrine, I show you through through questions the frailty of your position and Islamic understanding .
Usually, you have no answers except you are prepared to conjure lies.

AGAIN :

Now that I have answered your questions, perhaps you will answer these questions according to Islam with respect to the SPIRIT
1. What is Spirit?
Note:
A spirit is a living being!
Eg.
i. Jibril is your Holy Spirit (He's an Angel)
ii. Jesus is a Spirit from Allah
iii. Allah breath his spirit into Adam (Sunan Abi Dawud 4708)
2. Your prophet says that Adam was created in Allah's image, what does he mean? Especially comparing the physical face of a man with that of God and that Adam in His image with His length of sixty cubits (Sahih Muslim 2841)
Mishkat al-Masabih 3525
He reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When any of you fights he must avoid the face, for God created Adam in His own image.”
3. According to your prophet, he would be the first to be resurected from the grave (Sunan Ibn Majah 4308) and the prophets of old are are still in their graves (Sunan an-Nasa'i 1633). If this is true
a. Did Mohammed actually see the prophets such as Moses, Adam, Joseph, Aaron or it wasn't true that he actually saw them.
b. If he saw them in reality but their bodies are still in their graves here on earth, are they not DUALITY (As they are both in heaven and earth(grave) at the same time?

4a. Is it true that Allah is above the seven heavens on his throne?
b. Is it true that Allah descend and comes down every third part of the night to hear those who will invoke him?
Therefore, Can Allah enter his creation?

He will never answer the questions.

He'll rather create another meaningless topic.

Mvnster:
Their allah is not called the best of deceivers for nothing. Its same spirit which decieved adam and eve to eat of the forbiden fruit.

Meanwhile, their Allah told them Adam was a prophet. They couldn't even take a clue from the fact that Adam their prophet committed sin; what would then stop other prophets from committing sin? Prophet Adam of Islam disobeyed Allah by approaching a tree Allah commanded him not to approach. So, then, if it is impossible for prophets to commit sin, why did Adam commit the sin of disobedience?

The only truth Allah told them in that their Quran was that Jesus was sinless. Every other thing in the Quran was a lie. And indeed Jesus was sinless. He was the only sinless man who ever lived. That should be an eye opener to the average Muslim but the lies they hold on to were planted through a well coordinated indoctrination and brainwashing process. They can't even see truth if you break their heads and put it inside. Every Muslim needs some sort of deliverance from the Deceptive spirit of Allah before they can see truth. Allah is very good at his job. Indeed, he's the best of deceivers.

Mvnster:
So because he has the Holy Spirit, he cant be tempted or make any mistakes?

He doesn't understand the work of the Holy Spirit and His operations in believers, so he's creating wrong topics that hold no water.

Their lying Quran portrayed prophets to them as people incapable of sinning.

AntiChristian:
Read what I wrote again!
He is dead to this world!

Stop mentioning the Qur'an you don't understand!

Can you communicate with him and get a feedback as you do to me now?

If He's dead to this world, He wouldn't be saving souls, baptizing people with His Holy Spirit and healing the sick as He does today.

And you'll agree with me that Mohammed is not just dead to this world. He's completely dead.

AntiChristian:
I have been a Christian too!

CAC, Catholic, Celestial and MFM!

Jesus is dead to this world too just as Adam, Moses and others are!
There's nothing wrong in calling Muhammad dead!
May the peace and blessings of Allah be on them all!

No my friend.

Jesus is alive. Even your Quran says so.

AntiChristian:
May God forgive you too for all your lies!

Better repent!

Allah told you that I'm lying just in order to deceive your soul. Some day, God would open your eyes to the truth if indeed you're a seeker of Truth.

I've been a Muslim, so I understand where you are are talking from. You're as ignorant as I was when I was following a dead Mohammed. My dad was an extremely zealous Muslim who came from a generation of Muslims himself before Christ met him.

AntiChristian:
The Spirit of Truth
However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come. John 16:13

The Spirit of Killing 30 People to steal their clothes for betting


The Spirit of killing Lion


Sirtee15
TenQ
Expanse2020
FxMasterz

Does God have two different spirits; one kills and the other guides to the truth?
The OT Spirit obviously couldn't guide Samson eventually...
The NT Spirit can guide!

Sirtee15 Na four persons your God be now?

Your cup will soon be full. If this is all your brains could still come up with after all that you have read in responses so far, then all I can
say is "may God have mercy on you."

AntiChristian:
Correcting someone may not involve speech! The same holy Spirit that could grant him power to kill Lion and 30 men can't do a simple task of correction and guidance.

Here are the latest questions:

1.Why can't the Spirit correct him not to fail? 2.How many Spirit does your God have? 3.Does your God's Spirit change?

So, if someone is correced, he must also be forced to obey? Didn't you read that even Samson's parents corrected him to no avail?

After correction, a man still has his choice. Just as you have your choice today after many corrections. But, you won't have your choice on the day of judgement. Samson can relate.

AntiChristian:
1.Why can't the Spirit correct him not to fail? 2.How many Spirit does your God have? 3.Does your God's Spirit change?

See Below:
However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come. John 16:13

In the Old Testament, the Holy Spirit only speaks to prophets.
In the new Testament, He speaks to everyone.

Samson was a Nazarite. He wasn't a prophet. He already knew the rules of a Nazarite but he blatantly broke it.

AntiChristian:
The context here is slightly different in a major way. Samson made a bet with a riddle. If his wife's people gets the riddle he will give them 30 linen garments and 30 sets of clothes. Samson does not have all these materials so he had to kill 30 people to acquire them.

And the Biblical God send His Holy Spirit to help Samson in this regard!

Why didn't the holy Spirit empower him when Delilah was about to tempt him to death?



Holy Spirit did not enter in to me to kill anyone yet! And I seek refuge in Allah from all accursed destructive spirits!

Your analogy no gel at all!

God does not always have to send His Holy Spirit on Samson before he could act. He had the gift of might. An anointing that he could use and misuse.

God punished him eventually for his errors.

Dtruthspeaker:
It is seen that "just is" is very very far away from Muslims and atheists.

They don't know what they're doing.

AntiChristian:
We are still saying the same thing!
The Holy spirit entered Samson and he was able to kill the lion. The holy spirit again entered him again to kill thirty people while enraging him.

The people Samson killed were God's enemies according to verses 4 NIV.

God is good all the time!
And all the time God is good!

Assuming you have a few policemen in an area troubled by terrorists. If you as a Governor donates firearms to the policemen in order to help them fulfil their purposes as Law Enforcement Officers; and one of them takes his guns and firearms to kill an animal and 30 people who enraged him, would it be just for anyone to accuse you of wrongdoing?

The Holy Spirit empowered Samson. The locks of his hair were his storehouse of power. He had the Gift of Might. He could use it as he pleased but in the end, he would be accountable to God who gave him the power.

The same way God has given you the Gift of Life. You can use that life as you please. You can even blaspheme the Holy Ghost with it, but in the end, you would be accountable unto God who gave you the life.

AntiChristian:
I wonder who creates theories for these Christians. Mere theories without any verse from their God but Paul!
Spirit of God is Gentle but enter Samson and he killed Lion with hands and killed thirty people!

That's the spirit of your God!
If Boko Haram were to claim the spirit of their God entered them to kill people would you equate them to your Samson?

The truth is that you Christians are mostly prejudiced liars for Christ!

The Spirit that can't enter Samson to prevent him from being deceived by Delilah!
The Spirit that can't stop him from committing Suicide!
The Spirit that can only encourage killings!

I was actually supposed to ignore the thread because the ignorance it showcases was so high. Even a normal Christian who rarely goes to church would see how irrelevant the thread is. I had to post a reply only because I wanted to educate you a bit. I don't expect any Christian to respond to this post because it's so ignoble.

The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God is a meek Spirit. He's gentle. He is our guidance but He also enables us to fulfil our purpose. He is an enabler. He can make the weak strong. He is the Power of God. The power to do all things is in Him.

He empowered Samson according to Samson's purpose. He empowered the Lord Jesus while He was in His human body. That's why Christ said "I can of my own self do nothing." The same way Samson could do nothing without the Holy Spirit.

He empowered the prophets to see the future and tell the mind of God to the people. He is the one who empowers us to live a righteous life and to win the battles over sin and the devil.

Whatsoever the purpose of a child of God is, He is the One who empowers us to fulfil our purposes. He is the Spirit of Wisdom, Counsel, Might, Understanding, and Knowledge. He is also the Spirit of the Lord and of the Fear of the Lord.

In Samson, He operated through Him as the Spirit of Might to bring judgement unto Israel's enemies and deliver them from their oppressors.

You can keep ranting in your ignorance. It doesn't change the fact that God is Almighty and His Spirit empowers His servants to fulfil their purposes in life.

Happy birthday mama.

Long life and more prosperity in Jesus name.

TheFinesseKid:
nawa. Even the meaning sef need deciphering explain more

It means the occurrence is abnormal. There are some unknown forces at work which might be either natural or spiritual.

It's a pity.

If you can't understand this simple passage of scripture, how can you understand deeper truths?

In the Old Testament, the Spirit of the Lord doesn't dwell inside people because there were no sanctified men. The Spirit of the Lord dwells in people today because the Blood of Jesus sanctifies those who believe, and therefore could become a habitation for God. In the old testament, this wasn't possible. The Spirit of the Lord only visits and departs.

Samson was raised by God as a defender of the nation of Israel against the oppressive Philistines. He missed his callings and traded his anointing for sexual pleasure.

The Spirit of the Lord is a gentle and meek Spirit. He doesn't force you. He only guides you. You still have a choices whether to accept His guidance or reject it. It is still the same way He operates till today.

PoliteActivist:
*Politeness*
You know, the problem with a forum like this is that you tend to assume that the person you are debating is up to a certain level, when it could infact be someone of very limited knowledge.
Here I am, debating someone who:
1) Doesn't know that the Torah is in the Bible
2) Doesn't know that Old Testament is the Jewish Bible
3) Doesn't know that "Jewish Christian" is an oxymoron
4) Said verbatim that Einstein was a Christian
5) Then asked where he said such a thing!
7) Then said Einstein was "raised a Christian" till he was a teenager
8*) Then said Einstein wasn't raised a Christian at all because his parents were irreligious. Instead he was a "Jewish Christian" all by himself till the ripe old age of 12! No longer till he was a teenager!
9) Then he told me he knows all this because he reads books while I only search Google
10) Then he followed quickly with a post saying everything has been resolved!

My people this is the type of person I am debating!
Sweet Lawd, why me??!!

Lol