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Lukuluku69:
Lol.

No one was Killed for not believing in the Prophethood of the Arabian Prophet for if that were true no Jewish person will remain in Medina when he lived.

Jews came to him for adjudication. Jews formed alliances with him. No one was killed.

The story you posted of a woman being tied to a Camel is just a fabrication

Let me invite TenQ and Advocatejare for clarification.

I don't think the story was a fabrication. I think it's written in one of the hadiths you call sahih. And, Mohammed killed many Jews and even instructed that Jews and Christians should be pursued and killed.

I'm surprised that you first justified Mohammed's killings by saying Moses, David and Solomon did the same. Only for you to now turn around again to say the hadith was fabricated.

ignis:
Recently, there has been a stir within the Christian community regarding statements made by Pastor Abel Damina criticizing Pastor E. A Adeboye's claim of having tea with God. While some voices support Damina's skepticism, others argue for the possibility of such divine interactions.

Is it feasible for God to engage in physical activities, such as drinking tea, with humanity. I would like perspectives, biblical references, to contemplate the nature of such divine encounter.

Stargirl2011, please take note that Kobojunkie is a renown demoniac on this forum. I have told him severally to go for deliverance because he is undoubtedly demon possessed.

The scripture you quoted for him in Genesis about God visiting Abraham and eating with him was true but the demon possessed kobojunkie sought to mislead you. Do not give in to his deception. He's a satanic agent who hates the church of God and all ministers of the gospel.

Is it possible for God to drink tea with man? Very possible. This does not mean that God would literally drink the tea but He is capable of making the tea disappear in order to give the impression that He drank the tea. God does such things atimes when He wants to assure you that He is still with you. I can confidently say that Adeboye was passing through tough times that wanted to shake his faith at the time of that event. God used the tea to tell him that "Son, I am still with you in all these."

Note that God didn't tell Adeboye that He drank the tea. He only told him that "When you wanted to drink the tea, didn't you invite me?" He invited God, God can do anything with the tea. He doesn't have to drink it.

However, this is what the Lord Jesus Himself has said in the Bible:

Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.

Note that Jesus said He'll come in and dine (eat) with anyone who opens the doors of his heart to Him.

God bless you.

Tellmeastory:
”From this day forward, let us proclaim our nation under the guidance of Black Jesus..''

- President Vladimir Putin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl7XjXrVnzQ&ab_channel=BlackJournals

There's no picture of Jesus anywhere in the universe. No one took His picture when He was on earth. Anyone telling you Jesus was white or black is a liar.

Those images taken from the so-called ancient vaults in Russia do not look ancient at all. Everything was fabricated.

Worship the Lord Jesus in Spirit and in Truth only. Any allusion to colour is irrelevant and spiritually inconsequential.

Lukuluku69:
Of course I can show you but would you believe it?

For over 2,000+ now, Christians have been showing Jesus to the Jews in the Old Testament they have read for over 3,000+ years, what has been the Result?

They maintained he was a False One, you would say the same.

Nevertheless, I can show you.

Dozens of References in your Bible pointing to the mission of the Arabian Prophet.

Dozens!

The Bible already prophesied that Jews would reject Jesus. That didn't come to us as a surprise. Also, the Bible told us the exact moment when Jews would return to God. So, we understand that very clearly. The Bible also made us to know why God decided to cut off the Jews at this time and engraft them later on.

What explanation do you have for Mohammed who came to distort the history of the Jews? The Historical accounts that were written by David's and Solomon s Scribes (whom you even recognize as prophets) which were vetoed by them were grossly distorted by Mohammed. A self professed prophet who lived over 2,000yrs afterwards claimed that the prophets who were eye witnesses of their own accounts were wrong.

Please look into it without any religious bias.

gaskiyamagana:
I pity those wasting their time, argument explanation and reasoning with you, an anti Islam ROBOTICAL PROGRAMED person, whom without deactivation are reprogram; nothing good about Islam can never be ⁰acceptable to you.p

You're the robotically programmed person here my friend. Someone has written a marriage contract, and was also a manager of a large business enterprise, yet you say he was unlettered just because you've been robotically programmed to accept him as an unlettered man. Who's the robot among us?

Lukuluku69:
It is true that in the cause of Governing Medina (Called Tema in the Bible) those who went against the Divine Laws had to be Judged and you and I know how drastic such Laws are, people died.

The same can be said of Moses, David and Solomon. You pick no offense with Moses, David but with Muhammad.

I know it is hard for you but try and be fair

There's no divine law that says a person must be killed for not believing in a prophet.

Can you give me examples from Moses, David and Solomon where they killed people for not believing in their prophethood?

KnownUnknown:
More Jew venerating nonsense.

If it's nonsense, it wouldn't have worked for us.

Ken4Christ:
Sure. I am sure we'll see many more of them convert to Christianity as new evidences exposing their lies are coming up daily.

The mercy of God would locate them in Jesus mighty name.

advocatejare:
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and
consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine
years (i.e. till his death). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88)

Hahaha. Lol.

Lukuluku69, Antichristian, Drlateef, Explore2xmore, Expanse2020 and all Muslims on Nairaland, would you explain to me how your so called unlettered prophet wrote a marriage contract as seen in the quote I mentioned above?

KnownUnknown:
More Jew venerating nonsense.

To the ignorance, it's nonsense as the Bible has already prophesied. That's why world events would catch you unawares because you're unable to understand the times you live in.

We believers in Christ cannot be caught unawares because we know the next event that would unfold as we follow God's time line for the end of the age while watching God's time clock.

Ken4Christ:
Quite a few of them have renounced Islam. But most of them are afraid of persecution. But just like our Lord Jesus said;

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

It's better to die and make heaven than to remain an adherent of a faith that will land you in the pit of hell. The good news is that for most of them that have taken that bold step, God has protected them supernaturally.

Yes, numerous testimonies abound confirming the bolded but it actually takes the grace of God to take such bold steps.

Islam is a cult that controls its adherents through the instrumentality of fear. All cults do that.

KnownUnknown:
Yes, you do. Your concept of god and your veneration of Israel prove it.

You misunderstood.

Our concept of God is justified by what we know of God and what He has done for us in the course of our relationship with Him.

Israel is currently not a nation in tune with God. God has a future program for them. But Israel is God's time clock for the world. Events unfolding in Israel tell us what stage we are in the scheme of God's agenda for the world.

There's nothing special about Israel other than that. We're all one in Christ Jesus. You're probably misled by what you think of us without knowing what we really believe.

KnownUnknown:
@FxMaster

In this world view of yours where ancient Hebrews and the ones who call themselves Jews are considered special and their myths and god real, where do you and your people fit in?

I truly find it pathetic how you guys place this people on a pedestal as if their humanity is somehow better than yours!!

We don't consider anyone special. Please be corrected.

We're all special before God. In Christ Jesus, we all are equal.

Israel was only used as a template from whom we're able to learn about God's character, His hatred for wickedness, His love for Justice and His understanding affection for mankind.

Do you know that God punished Israel severely for wronging the Gibeonites? Many Israelites died because of the Gibeonites.

advocatejare:
They lied that he was unlettered but the same man wrote a marriage contract with his child bride

Hahaha.

Tell them o. I din't even know this. Please help me with references.

advocatejare:
Don’t let the demonic boy confuse you, John 3:16 is the direct speech of Jesus!

You're right. Jesus was speaking directly to Nicodemus.

KnownUnknown:
Poor analogy. This attempted analogy of yours is based on the asinine presumption that the god of the Hebrews is the only god and that he owns everything, therefore whatever the god or the Hebrews did is justified.

I don’t entertain the idea of gods as real, so what we are left with a people committing genocide. I do think there is some truth to the genocide recounted in the book, what I totally reject is that some “god” commanded it. What’s the difference between you and Muslims you love to criticize, who claim that “Allah” commanded it?

And so why should I accept your own idea of God not being real? Allah didn't command anything. It was Mohammed who commanded people to be killed.

One of the proofs that God is real is God's ability to judge people. If wickedness is not judged, then there's no God. That judgement in Canaan has the touch of God, when you realize that a few 'dwarfs' cannot overcome a multitude of giants except God is using those few 'dwarf' people to judge those numerous giants. Israel went on a suicidal mission. Take note of that. There's no other god in all the universe that can do that. A few short people overcoming a multitude of giants is not a human feat. That's the more the reason why the event isn't a genocide but a judgement. Israel was the nation who was supposed to be annihilated when the aggressors came for them!

God clearly told Israel that they should stear clear of the Ammonites because He wasn't judging them. You read in that scripture I quoted that "the border of the Ammonites was strong.". They were giants in the land of Ammon too but Israel couldn't penetrate them because God didn't give them the Ammonite's land to possess. They could only possess the lands where God wanted to do judgment. That's instructive.

KnownUnknown:
Genocide is one of the worst things humans are capable, and it is generally frowned upon except when Jews and Christians want to justify their delusions.

May I ask you a question? If you built a house and rented it out to a family , and then found out that the family used that house as a slaughter slap for humans. Daily killings go on in the house on a daily basis.

What would you do to those tenants?

KnownUnknown:
Same excuse you use to justify genocide in your religious texts can also be used to justify the genocide of the Palestinians, Armenians,Tutsis, and every other victim of genocide.


Genocide is one of the worst things humans are capable, and it is generally frowned upon except when Jews and Christians want to justify their delusions.

There's no single genocide that is excused in the Scriptures.

There's cause and effect. A judge sentencing a murderer to death is not commiting any crime!

Now, tell us about the so called Palestinians, Tutsis and Armenians whose genocide you seek to justify.

Would you justify a murderer who killed for fun, simply because a judge sentenced someone to death? Does it look reasonable to you to say 'Hey, you're right to kill him, since judges also kill people through court judgements"

Did you see the part that these people committed grievous sins that made God see them as pollutants in the world? Did you see that God judged Israel the same way He judged these people? Did you see that God waited 500yrs before executing the judgement? Did you also see the part that Israel was not the aggressor? Would it interest you to know that the Israelites didn't commit as much atrocities as the Canaanites committed, and were not given as much time to repent as the canaanites were given before God's judgement came on them?

God is a just judge. He would not allow a wicked person or nation to continue in wickedness unchecked. If you're wicked, God will bring you to judgement.

Today, God has abolished physical punishment. He'll wait patiently for you to repent until the day you die. After that He'll still judge you, no matter who you are.

KnownUnknown:
Let me try your absurd argument:

The Tutsis were extremely wicked…

The Armenians were extremely wicked….

The Palestinians are extremely wicked……

Hope no one finds you “extremely wicked”

What had the God of Israel to do with the Palestinians, Armenians and Tutsis?

Ken4Christ:
Jesus declared, “I am truly a servant of Allah. He has destined me to be given the Scripture and to be a prophet. He has made me a blessing wherever I go, and bid me to establish prayer and give alms-tax as long as I live, and to be kind to my mother. He has not made me arrogant or defiant. Peace be upon me the day I was born, THE DAY I DIE, and the day I will be raised back to life!” That is Jesus, son of Mary. And this is a word of truth, about which they dispute. [Surah Maryam; 19:30-34]

So, why did the Quran in another place says that Jesus didn't really die?

This questions the authenticity of the Quran as a divine revelation.

The Bible had witnesses who gave a detailed a account of his arrest, trial, crucifixion, his resurrection, his appearance to his disciples after his resurrection and also to marry witnesses. Finally, he ascended to heaven before witnesses.

How then can someone who was born nearly 600 years after the incident come and tell you that Jesus didn't die. And you believe him more than the evidences of eye witnesses.

Well, Jesus spoke of his death in the same book that said he didn't die. Did Jesus of the Quran not aware he was not supposed to die according to the Quran? If he wasn't aware, then he was not a true prophet. And the Quran is therefore inconsistent.

Please, accept the truth in the Bible. Even the Jews who rejected Jesus couldn't refute his death. Even the Roman government couldn't refute his death. From nowhere, someone who doesn't have the endorsement of any other prophet that God called said otherwise and people just believe him. Is this not insanity?

Islam is a serious bondage. They might not even see what you're saying except the Holy Spirit opens their eyes.

In that quaranic verse you quoted, Jesus said He'll die and would even be raised back to life. Mohammed shot himself in the leg here because, later he wanted us to believe that the same Jesus never died.

Muslims don't understand that Jesus had no business coming into the world if He wouldn't die. His purpose for being born into the world was majorly to die. The whole plan of salvation is defeated if Jesus didn't die. It is this very salvation that Satan attempts to deprive people of by using Islam to deny His death.

KnownUnknown:
Here are some of the shit the disgusting Jews you place on pedestal believe.

The ancient Hebrews loved Genocide

You may, however, take as your booty the women, the children, the livestock, and everything else in the town, all its spoil. You may enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the LORD your God has given you. Thus, you shall treat all the towns that are very far from you, which are not towns of the nations here (Deut. 20:14-15)
These are the instructions, given by Moses, as to what is to be done with the Canaanites. These commands are additional to him telling his followers that the Canaanites ought to be shown no mercy and utterly destroyed (Deut. 7:10-2). Moses continues:

You shall annihilate them – the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites – just as the LORD your God has commanded, so that they may not teach you to do all the abhorrent things that they do for their gods, and thus sin against the LORD your God (Deut. 20:17-18).

Have you allowed all the women to live? These women here, on Balaam’s advice, made the Israelites act treacherously against the LORD in the affair of the Peor, so that the plague came among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves (Num 31:8-18).
This is what Moses says to his commanders after his army is said to have killed all the Midianite men. The killing of those men alone constitutes a genocide but allowing for the rape of women also constitutes a genocide since it prevents births from within the group.

In Samuel, the LORD commands the destruction of the Amalek people. While my argument needs only one instance of genocide to motivate it, there is more than one. This should make the argument harder to squirm out of.

Here’s the president of the rogue nation of thieving Jews called Israel invoking their demented religious lore to justify genocide.

I can confidently tell you that your position about the Scriptures you quoted stems from ignorance.

Did you actually ask for the reason why this was done to the Canaanites? I'll furnish you with information.

Now, let's have some important points noted:

1. The Canaanites were extremely wicked. They committed a lot of bloodshed among themselves. Apart from homosexualism and lesbianism, the most abominable thing they were doing which angered God the most was their practice of burning their kids alive as sacrifices to their god Molek. Would you permit such a practice to continue if you were the Judge of the whole world? Won't you judge the people?

Now, what abominable thing did the woman commit whom Mohammed ordered to be killed by tying her legs to two separate camels, which were driven in different directions to tear the woman apart?

2. The Canaanites were given a very long time to repent, but they didn't. God gave them over 500yrs but they grew more and more in wickedness. About 500yrs before their destruction, this is what God told Abraham:

Genesis 15:16
"After four generations your descendants will return here to this land, for the sins of the Amorites do not yet warrant their destruction”

God waited long for them to repent before eventually destroying them. You should understand that God was the one who destroyed them. The Jews were a small people in stature. They were also few in number. Yet they conquered several renown nations whose inhabitants were a multitude of giants!

3. Read through the scriptures, you'll discover that, even still, the Israelites were not the aggressors against the Canaanites. Even though God sent them to destroy those people because of their wickedness, the Israelites were not the aggressors. This is how the wars of Canaan started:

"And Israel sent messengers unto Sihon king of the Amorites, saying, Let me pass through thy land: we will not turn into the fields, or into the vineyards; we will not drink of the waters of the well: but we will go along by the king's high way, until we be past thy borders.. And Sihon would not suffer Israel to pass through his border: but Sihon gathered all his people together, and went out against Israel into the wilderness: and he came to Jahaz, and fought against Israel. And Israel smote him with the edge of the sword, and possessed his land from Arnon unto Jabbok, even unto the children of Ammon: for the border of the children of Ammon was strong. And Israel took all these cities: and Israel dwelt in all the cities of the Amorites, in Heshbon, and in all the villages thereof.

This was the same message they passed to the king of Edom, "Please, allow us pass through your land." When Edom refused, Israel navigated to bypass Edom by taking a much longer route. But here, the king of Bashan came out to attack them after he has said he wouldn't let them pass.

Before this time in the same chapter, the Israelites were attacked by a Canaanite king called Arad. He gave them a surprise attack and even took some of them prisoners without any provocation. The Israelites were not the aggressors.

Did the woman in question attack Mohammed in anyway for Mohammed to have done that to her? What sins did the woman commit? Is Mohammed God who should judge people and condemn them to death?

4. After the Israelites possessed Canaan, did you know that God told them plainly that He planted them in Canaan because He was tired of the abomination of those Canaanites? Did you know that God vehemently warned the Israelites that they too would suffer the same fate if they practiced the same abominations? Did you know that God judged the Israelites with virtually the same judgement when they committed the same sins as these Canaanites? Is that not justice? The only reason why God did not completely annihilate Israel was because He promised Abraham that He'll raise a nation from Isaac whose seed would bless the world. Israel is a reward for Abraham's dedication to God. God won't totally destroy Israel only because He would not destroy Abraham's promised reward. God kept remnants from Israel alive only because of that promise. He scattered them from Canaan for many years and decimated them beyond measure but still preserved their nationhood. A just God. No partiality!

5. Now, let's talk about the Amelekites.

You talked about God's judgement on them without referring to the evil they did to have warranted such judgement.

Amalek was not among the nations that God wanted to.judge. Israel had no business with Amalek but yet Amalek attacked Israel without any provocation in the days of Moses. They killed their young and old ones, including the tired ones while they were on a long wearisome journey from Egypt. God was infuriated by the attack and vowed that Amalek would cease from being a nation. The story you quoted above was the execution of that vow.

Read the story of the attack in Exodus 17. Now, tell me, did the woman in question attack Mohammed or did anything hurtful against Mohammed for Mohammed to have ordered her gruesome murder?

Mohammed murdered many people just because they rejected him, and he still instructed his followers to do the same. He rewrote the history of the Jews and added tales of his own, yet wanted the Jews to accept his tales as their history by force. He hated christians and Jews and commanded their killings. All the Islamic terrorist organizations in the world are based on this command. Muslims all over the world are in full support. They would never condemn the activities of their terrorist brethren because it's Islamic, and infact Allah promises handsome rewards for such terrorism.

So, how's Mohammed justified for his wickedness in the world?

KnownUnknown:
Does it pain you as much as the genocide the Hebrews performed in their stories?

Would you please tell me about the said genocide?

Lukuluku69:
He did but you are too blind and opinionated too see it.

Clearly stated in your Bible.

Would you show me where he did? It's funny that you even think you know the Bible more than the Christians themselves. Just like Mohammed knows the history of the Jews more than the Jews themselves.

Lukuluku69:
Matthew 12:35-37 (KJV) A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

I didn't lie against Mohammed. He killed people and also commanded Muslims to kill. The story of the Jewish woman he tied to two Carmela just because the woman rejected his prophethood is a painful story each time I remember it.

Why can't Mohammed give her proof of his prophethood instead of killing her?

Lukuluku69:


You are one funny man.

Any seemingly attack on Adeboye, you in turn abuse The Prophet.

Change your ways.

I didn't abuse. I stated facts as written in your books.

Babalola0920:
Moses was sent to who?
Jonas was sent to his people ?
NOAH and in the old testament jesus confirm last prophet said hes coming ?

Jesus didn't confirm any last prophet. These are all lies.

TenQ:
Perfectly said!

Sorry for the typos. I have corrected the errors.

Ken4Christ:
They are just beating around the bush. No concrete answer. This is the beginning of the fall of...... I didn't say anything ooo.

May God be merciful unto them and reveal Himself unto them.

TenQ:
LOL!
A religion chaired by the Father of Lies himself: what do you expect

All counterfeits are created to oppose the original. And originals usually exist before counterfeits.

Counterfeits are made using half truths and half lies to deceive the gullible. This has always been Satan's tactics. It is readily observed in Islam.

Lukuluku69:
John 3:16 was not Jesus Speech.

That was someone thoughts on Jesus.

This is Jesus speech:

John 17:18
"As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world."

This is where Jesus sent them into the world:

Mathew 28:19

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

Babalola0920:
Jesus was sent to his people.
Check Quran 19th....

Jesus was actually sent to the whole world.

AbuTwins:
Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam doesn't need an eye witness to tell us the Qur'an is a masterpiece that an unlettered person couldn't produce in just 23 years.

Even Jesus despite the education and everything didn't write down/dictate one verse of the Bible!
The earliest complete copy of the new testament dates to about 400 years after Jesus.
Na disciples write am or Holy spirit?

What evidence do we have Solomon wrote anything from the Bible? There was this song of song that was describing breast and porn, was that from Solomon too?

Jerusalem belongs to the people of Allah! It belongs to Israel when they were Muslims worshipping Allah!

But they've neglected the worship of Allah and embraced their desires!

Mohammed wasn't unlettered. That was a big lie. If he was unlettered, how was he able to be a manager for Khadija's business? Can an unlettered man be the manager of a business?

Meanwhile, majority of all what Mohammed wrote in the Quran was copied from a false book called the book of Barnabas.